Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

ntinued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been four
>>>>> years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years,
>>>>> Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile
>>>>> space.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS
>>>>> upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall
>>>>> brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the last
>>>>> version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the next
>>>>> version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones that long
>>>>> in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get responses
>>>>> that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that have
>>>>> nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>>>>> Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this
>>>>>> will change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the
>>>>>> latest features had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what
>>>>>> they are doing they can still use it for years to come with iOS
>>>>>> 9.3.5. Of course the reality is that a device that is 5 or 6 or even
>>>>>> 7 years old will most likely need a new battery and why pay for that
>>>>>> if you could get whatever iPhone is free on contract. The exception
>>>>>> here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a
>>>>>> prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from
>>>>>> 2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me
>>>>>> if she could still use it and I said that of course she can since
>>>>>> while it is a bit slow compared to new devices, it is still going
>>>>>> strong.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Sieghard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade
>>>>>> ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015
>>>>>> technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone
>>>>>> 7 will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past
>>>>>> Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS
>>>>>> 10 that will be out later this year.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kelly
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
>>>>>>> eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are
>>>>>>> they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the
>>>>>>> year?
>>>>>>> I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away
>>>>>>> from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product
>>>>>>> releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that
>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>> system development is more complicated when you have to support
>>>>>>> different hardware schedules.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to
>>>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>>>> to do their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not
>>>>>>>> super technical users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form
>>>>>>>> factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a news article
>>>>>>>> from a major news ou

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

o will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me
if she could still use it and I said that of course she can since
while it is a bit slow compared to new devices, it is still going
strong.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade
ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015
technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone
7 will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past
Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS
10 that will be out later this year.

Kelly

On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are
they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the
year?
I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away
from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product
releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that
operating
system development is more complicated when you have to support
different hardware schedules.

On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to
everybody
to do their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not
super technical users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form
factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a news article
from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large majority of
people are users who do not necessarily follow each Apple Event.
Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they
made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the
iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think
they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this
point there would be many more rumours and some of which from
sources
who in the past have been very credible and there are no such
rumours.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other
phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And,
when
the phone was released, there was a major back up, so people waited
weeks before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple
phone releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the
demand
for this particular phone. So, you have a case where people just
purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here we are in September
almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases a new SE
now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think the folks
who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. You know,
Apple, why didn't you release this phone last fall with all of the
others? Why did you wait over half a year, then release the phone,
and right on top of it, release another one?
That's why I figure people would not be happy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain
<chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out
with an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after
the SE came out?
Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something
goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this
reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone happy
is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows
Apple
knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone who
bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might
include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't
think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any
more
frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who
has an
SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE
this fall.


On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller
screen.
I can't imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot
of people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad
if they do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from
doing
things in the past. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net>
wrote:

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more
than likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6
and 6
plus do, not sure

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Gordan Radić]

 it for years to come with
iOS

9.3.5. Of course the reality is that a device that is 5 or 6
or even

7 years old will most likely need a new battery and why pay
for that

if you could get whatever iPhone is free on contract. The
exception

here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone
4S with a

prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad
2 from

2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already
asked me

if she could still use it and I said that of course she can
since

while it is a bit slow compared to new devices, it is still
going

strong.



Regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On

Behalf Of Kelly Pierce

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or
getting SE


Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing
upgrade

ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on
2015

technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020. 
The iPhone

7 will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021,
based on past

Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to
accept iOS

10 that will be out later this year.


Kelly


On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I just wonder what Apple's long term
  plans are. Are they going to
  
  eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS
  products or are
  
  they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases
  in the year?
  
  I can see where a spring release might take some of the
  thunder away
  
  from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their
  product
  
  releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know
  that operating
  
  system development is more complicated when you have to
  support
  
  different hardware schedules.
  
  
  On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
  
  Some people may be mad, but as
Christopher said, it's up to everybody

to do their research. There will also be a lot of users
who are not

super technical users who couldn't care less if a new
smaller form

factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a
news article

from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large
majority of

people are users who do not necessarily follow each
Apple Event.

Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care
less if they

made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did
this with the

iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I
don't think

they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in
September, at this

point there would be many more rumours and some of which
from sources

who in the past have been very credible and there are no
such rumours.



Regards,

Sieghard


-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On

Behalf Of Mary Otten

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM

To: v

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure what you're objecting to exactly.

I agree with you though. I'm still getting through a whole day on my 
iPhone 4S. It isn't going to compete with an iPhone 6, but depending on 
how you use it, I think it's still usable.


On 28/08/16 04:11, Gordan Radić wrote:

Hi!

I have to object on this one.

I bought my old 4S back in 2012. when it was last years model.

I used it untill october 2015. with no problems at all. When I got my
new device I did some tests with old 4S and along others, I fully
charged it, disabled WiFi and Bluetooth and removed the SIM card from
it. I just locked the phone and it was on stand by for the next 8 days
meaning the battery in it was significantly strong at the time beeing.

Today my old 4S is borrowed to one of my friends and he is using it on a
daily basis, talking, texting, hanging on Facebook and following some
sites rather more than I did and the battery is holding about day and a
half.

If this continues in this mannor I asume this phone will last atleast
next two years with iOS 9.3.5 or some possible update in 9.x.

Of course, working with it is not as nice and ellegant as working with
6S but for someone who just needs calling, texting and alarm clock is
far better solution than some cheap Android POC or spending significant
ammount of money for some new iOS device. I have to remind you not all
countries have free iPhones on operators contract and here in EU we're
paying about $100 more for the same models because of EU WWATT and
shipping or whatever.


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27.8.2016. u 20:00, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a
quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple
continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been four
years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8.

Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years,
Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile
space.

I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS
upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall
brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the last
version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the next
version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones that long
in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get responses
that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that have
nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.

On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this
will change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the
latest features had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what
they are doing they can still use it for years to come with iOS
9.3.5. Of course the reality is that a device that is 5 or 6 or even
7 years old will most likely need a new battery and why pay for that
if you could get whatever iPhone is free on contract. The exception
here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a
prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from
2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me
if she could still use it and I said that of course she can since
while it is a bit slow compared to new devices, it is still going
strong.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade
ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015
technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone
7 will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past
Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS
10 that will be out later this year.

Kelly

On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are
they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year?
I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away
from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product
releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating
system development is more complicated when you have to support
different hardware schedules.

On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Some people may be mad, but as Ch

RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Exactly, the majority of users will not have a mobile phone for 4 let alone 5 
years. Those who do and for whom the phone still works for the most part 
couldn't care less if they are getting another year or two out of their phone 
being on the older version of the software.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a quick web 
search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple continued to support the 
4S with IOS 9, which would have been four years and not five, if the 4S would 
have stopped at IOS 8.

Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years, Apple's 
support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile space.

I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS upgrade or 
the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall brings. As Sieghard 
says though, the SE will still work on the last version of IOS it supports even 
if you can't move up to the next version. Also, how many people hold on to 
their smart phones that long in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this 
list get responses that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that 
have nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.

On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this will 
> change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the latest features 
> had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what they are doing they can 
> still use it for years to come with iOS 9.3.5. Of course the reality is that 
> a device that is 5 or 6 or even 7 years old will most likely need a new 
> battery and why pay for that if you could get whatever iPhone is free on 
> contract. The exception here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the 
> iPhone 4S with a prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 
> 2 from 2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me if 
> she could still use it and I said that of course she can since while it is a 
> bit slow compared to new devices, it is still going strong.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>
> Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade ability to 
> iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015 technology and likely 
> cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone 7 will likely not be able to 
> receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past Apple practice.  For example, the 4s 
> will not be able to accept iOS 10 that will be out later this year.
>
> Kelly
>
> On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to 
>> eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are 
>> they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year?
>> I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away 
>> from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product 
>> releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that 
>> operating system development is more complicated when you have to support 
>> different hardware schedules.
>>
>> On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to 
>>> everybody to do their research. There will also be a lot of users 
>>> who are not super technical users who couldn't care less if a new 
>>> smaller form factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a 
>>> news article from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large 
>>> majority of people are users who do not necessarily follow each Apple Event.
>>> Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they 
>>> made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the 
>>> iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think 
>>> they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this 
>>> point there would be many more rumours and some of which from 
>>> sources who in the past have been very credible and there are no such 
>>> rumours.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I have to object on this one.
I bought my old 4S back in 2012. when it was last years model.
I used it untill october 2015. with no problems at all. When I
  got my new device I did some tests with old 4S and along others, I
  fully charged it, disabled WiFi and Bluetooth and removed the SIM
  card from it. I just locked the phone and it was on stand by for
  the next 8 days meaning the battery in it was significantly strong
  at the time beeing.
Today my old 4S is borrowed to one of my friends and he is using
  it on a daily basis, talking, texting, hanging on Facebook and
  following some sites rather more than I did and the battery is
  holding about day and a half.
If this continues in this mannor I asume this phone will last
  atleast next two years with iOS 9.3.5 or some possible update in
  9.x.
Of course, working with it is not as nice and ellegant as working
  with 6S but for someone who just needs calling, texting and alarm
  clock is far better solution than some cheap Android POC or
  spending significant ammount of money for some new iOS device. I
  have to remind you not all countries have free iPhones on
  operators contract and here in EU we're paying about $100 more for
  the same models because of EU WWATT and shipping or whatever.




  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

27.8.2016. u 20:00, Christopher
  Chaltain je napisao/la:

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything
  on line with a quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised
  when Apple continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would
  have been four years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at
  IOS 8.
  
  
  Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years,
  Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the
  mobile space.
  
  
  I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS
  upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the
  fall brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on
  the last version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to
  the next version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart
  phones that long in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this
  list get responses that we should just upgrade, even when asking
  questions that have nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.
  
  
  On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
  
  Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this
point it doesn't mean this will change. Also, if somebody who
couldn't care less about the latest features had an iPhone 4S
which still worked well for what they are doing they can still
use it for years to come with iOS 9.3.5. Of course the reality
is that a device that is 5 or 6 or even 7 years old will most
likely need a new battery and why pay for that if you could get
whatever iPhone is free on contract. The exception here would be
somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a prepaid
service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from 2011
which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me
if she could still use it and I said that of course she can
since while it is a bit slow compared to new devices, it is
still going strong.



Regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting
SE


Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing
upgrade ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on
2015 technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020. 
The iPhone 7 will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in
2021, based on past Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will
not be able to accept iOS 10 that will be out later this year.


Kelly


On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I just wonder what Apple's long term
  plans are. Are they going to
  
  eventually sync the

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

On the contrary, games definitely benefit from faster processors and better 
graphics. That is games for the cited. I assume that's what you were talking 
about. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> It is four upgrades and the last upgrade lasts for a year so the
> iPhone 7 will likely stop being upgraded in 2021.
> 
> sieghard,
> 
> I have noticed that people use their iPads for far fewer tasks than
> iPhones.  Many use iPads for games, videos, porno, and e-mail.  These
> tasks don't usually benefit from much faster processors.Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/27/16, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, if a person have a working iPhone and are patient and care for
>> technology, there is no problem wait until iPhone 7 is launced. Then that
>> person can compare specifications and size and feel in a store.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 27. aug. 2016 kl. 19.16 skrev Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com>:
>>> 
>>> Well I have a 6 bought in September 2014.  Verizon, and, have problems
>>> with dropped calls, keeping connected to network, they say I don't have
>>> problems but I do and no one else does.  Spent a total of about 8 hours
>>> over two weeks on phone with Verizon and minor improvement in dropped
>>> calls,  and last week cousin called, went to voice mail instead of ringing
>>> through and I was right here with phone on desk.  May be time but
>>> hopefully it will work enough for me to see what features are coming that
>>> I may or may not want to use.  Computer connection is only so-so also
>>> despite Century Link telling me it is "perfect" as a cousin says all the
>>> time.  That word and OK are two I am growing rapidly tired of.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rose Combs
>>> roseco...@q.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>> 
>>> Hi Rose, what phone do you have? Which network are you on? Those bar
>>> readings are not all that accurate. There is another way where you can
>>> actually get the true signal reading. But of course, I don't remember what
>>> it is, and it may very from carrier to carrier. If you have an older phone
>>> with an older radio, and your visitors have newer phones, that may account
>>> for the difference, or at least some of it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I
>>>> will decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone
>>>> else he gets full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it
>>>> isn't my phone but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has
>>>> to be wrong somewhere.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rose Combs
>>>> roseco...@q.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>>> 
>>>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with
>>>> an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE
>>>> came out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when
>>>> something goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got
>>>> this reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone
>>>> happy is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows
>>>> Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone
>>>> who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might
>>>> include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't
>>>> think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more
>>>> frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an
>>>> SE would be missing out on if Apple upg

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

Got ya. Do you know if this is documented anywhere? I'd like to see what 
Apple says about this policy. I don't doubt anyone, I'm just curious 
what the Apple legalese says. I've searched for it, but I haven't come 
up with the right set of search terms and been able to find it.


On 27/08/16 22:14, Kelly Pierce wrote:

Christopher,

It is four upgrades and the last upgrade lasts for a year so the
iPhone 7 will likely stop being upgraded in 2021.

sieghard,

I have noticed that people use their iPads for far fewer tasks than
iPhones.  Many use iPads for games, videos, porno, and e-mail.  These
tasks don't usually benefit from much faster processors.Kelly




On 8/27/16, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, if a person have a working iPhone and are patient and care for
technology, there is no problem wait until iPhone 7 is launced. Then that
person can compare specifications and size and feel in a store.

Take care

27. aug. 2016 kl. 19.16 skrev Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com>:


Well I have a 6 bought in September 2014.  Verizon, and, have problems
with dropped calls, keeping connected to network, they say I don't have
problems but I do and no one else does.  Spent a total of about 8 hours
over two weeks on phone with Verizon and minor improvement in dropped
calls,  and last week cousin called, went to voice mail instead of ringing
through and I was right here with phone on desk.  May be time but
hopefully it will work enough for me to see what features are coming that
I may or may not want to use.  Computer connection is only so-so also
despite Century Link telling me it is "perfect" as a cousin says all the
time.  That word and OK are two I am growing rapidly tired of.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Hi Rose, what phone do you have? Which network are you on? Those bar
readings are not all that accurate. There is another way where you can
actually get the true signal reading. But of course, I don't remember what
it is, and it may very from carrier to carrier. If you have an older phone
with an older radio, and your visitors have newer phones, that may account
for the difference, or at least some of it.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:

If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I
will decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone
else he gets full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it
isn't my phone but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has
to be wrong somewhere.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with
an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE
came out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when
something goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got
this reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone
happy is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows
Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone
who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might
include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't
think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more
frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an
SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this
fall.


On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I
can't imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of
people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they
do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in
the past. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than
likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do,
not sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs,
so if you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good
choice, should be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
Original message:

Hello Christine,



Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to
say, you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of
iPhone 7, I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released
be

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Kelly Pierce]

Christopher,

It is four upgrades and the last upgrade lasts for a year so the
iPhone 7 will likely stop being upgraded in 2021.

sieghard,

I have noticed that people use their iPads for far fewer tasks than
iPhones.  Many use iPads for games, videos, porno, and e-mail.  These
tasks don't usually benefit from much faster processors.Kelly




On 8/27/16, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, if a person have a working iPhone and are patient and care for
> technology, there is no problem wait until iPhone 7 is launced. Then that
> person can compare specifications and size and feel in a store.
>
> Take care
>
> 27. aug. 2016 kl. 19.16 skrev Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com>:
>>
>> Well I have a 6 bought in September 2014.  Verizon, and, have problems
>> with dropped calls, keeping connected to network, they say I don't have
>> problems but I do and no one else does.  Spent a total of about 8 hours
>> over two weeks on phone with Verizon and minor improvement in dropped
>> calls,  and last week cousin called, went to voice mail instead of ringing
>> through and I was right here with phone on desk.  May be time but
>> hopefully it will work enough for me to see what features are coming that
>> I may or may not want to use.  Computer connection is only so-so also
>> despite Century Link telling me it is "perfect" as a cousin says all the
>> time.  That word and OK are two I am growing rapidly tired of.
>>
>>
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>
>> Hi Rose, what phone do you have? Which network are you on? Those bar
>> readings are not all that accurate. There is another way where you can
>> actually get the true signal reading. But of course, I don't remember what
>> it is, and it may very from carrier to carrier. If you have an older phone
>> with an older radio, and your visitors have newer phones, that may account
>> for the difference, or at least some of it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I
>>> will decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone
>>> else he gets full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it
>>> isn't my phone but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has
>>> to be wrong somewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rose Combs
>>> roseco...@q.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>>
>>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with
>>> an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE
>>> came out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when
>>> something goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got
>>> this reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone
>>> happy is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows
>>> Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone
>>> who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might
>>> include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't
>>> think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more
>>> frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an
>>> SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this
>>> fall.
>>>
>>>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I
>>>> can't imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of
>>>> people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they
>>>> do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in
>>>> the past. Smile.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, M

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Terje Strømberg]

Well, if a person have a working iPhone and are patient and care for 
technology, there is no problem wait until iPhone 7 is launced. Then that 
person can compare specifications and size and feel in a store.

Take care

27. aug. 2016 kl. 19.16 skrev Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com>:
> 
> Well I have a 6 bought in September 2014.  Verizon, and, have problems with 
> dropped calls, keeping connected to network, they say I don't have problems 
> but I do and no one else does.  Spent a total of about 8 hours over two weeks 
> on phone with Verizon and minor improvement in dropped calls,  and last week 
> cousin called, went to voice mail instead of ringing through and I was right 
> here with phone on desk.  May be time but hopefully it will work enough for 
> me to see what features are coming that I may or may not want to use.  
> Computer connection is only so-so also despite Century Link telling me it is 
> "perfect" as a cousin says all the time.  That word and OK are two I am 
> growing rapidly tired of.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> 
> Hi Rose, what phone do you have? Which network are you on? Those bar readings 
> are not all that accurate. There is another way where you can actually get 
> the true signal reading. But of course, I don't remember what it is, and it 
> may very from carrier to carrier. If you have an older phone with an older 
> radio, and your visitors have newer phones, that may account for the 
> difference, or at least some of it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I will 
>> decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone else he 
>> gets full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it isn't my 
>> phone but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has to be wrong 
>> somewhere.  
>> 
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>> 
>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with 
>> an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE 
>> came out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when 
>> something goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got 
>> this reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone 
>> happy is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows 
>> Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone 
>> who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might 
>> include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't 
>> think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more 
>> frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an 
>> SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.
>> 
>>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
>>> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who 
>>> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that 
>>> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
>>>> likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not 
>>>> sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if 
>>>> you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should 
>>>> be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hello Christine,
>>>> 
>>>>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, 
>>>>> you have access to an interim ph

RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Rose Combs]

My whole family is on Verizon, everyone else has good service even in my house. 
 Sandy is a 4S, Nancy has a 6, her husband has an Android something or other 
they all work.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

OK. I don't know anything about Verizon's network. I know that there have been 
many improvements in T-Mobile over the last couple of years. A lot of those 
have to do with band 12. And with older phones, including your six, band 12 
wasn't available. In that case, an upgrade would probably have done a lot of 
good for you, assuming band 12 is in your area of course.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> 
> Well I have a 6 bought in September 2014.  Verizon, and, have problems with 
> dropped calls, keeping connected to network, they say I don't have problems 
> but I do and no one else does.  Spent a total of about 8 hours over two weeks 
> on phone with Verizon and minor improvement in dropped calls,  and last week 
> cousin called, went to voice mail instead of ringing through and I was right 
> here with phone on desk.  May be time but hopefully it will work enough for 
> me to see what features are coming that I may or may not want to use.  
> Computer connection is only so-so also despite Century Link telling me it is 
> "perfect" as a cousin says all the time.  That word and OK are two I am 
> growing rapidly tired of.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> 
> Hi Rose, what phone do you have? Which network are you on? Those bar readings 
> are not all that accurate. There is another way where you can actually get 
> the true signal reading. But of course, I don't remember what it is, and it 
> may vary from carrier to carrier. If you have an older phone with an older 
> radio, and your visitors have newer phones, that may account for the 
> difference, or at least some of it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I will 
>> decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone else he 
>> gets full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it isn't my 
>> phone but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has to be wrong 
>> somewhere.  
>> 
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>> 
>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with 
>> an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE 
>> came out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when 
>> something goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got 
>> this reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone 
>> happy is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows 
>> Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone 
>> who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might 
>> include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't 
>> think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more 
>> frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an 
>> SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.
>> 
>>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
>>> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who 
>>> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that 
>>> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a 
quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple continued 
to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been four years and not 
five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8.


Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years, Apple's 
support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile space.


I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS 
upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall 
brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the last 
version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the next 
version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones that long 
in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get responses 
that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that have 
nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.


On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this will 
change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the latest features had 
an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what they are doing they can still use 
it for years to come with iOS 9.3.5. Of course the reality is that a device 
that is 5 or 6 or even 7 years old will most likely need a new battery and why 
pay for that if you could get whatever iPhone is free on contract. The 
exception here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a 
prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from 2011 which 
also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me if she could still use 
it and I said that of course she can since while it is a bit slow compared to 
new devices, it is still going strong.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade ability to 
iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015 technology and likely cannot 
accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone 7 will likely not be able to receive a 
new iOS in 2021, based on past Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be 
able to accept iOS 10 that will be out later this year.

Kelly

On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are
they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year?
I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away
from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product
releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating
system development is more complicated when you have to support different 
hardware schedules.

On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody
to do their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not
super technical users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form
factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a news article
from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large majority of
people are users who do not necessarily follow each Apple Event.
Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they
made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the
iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think
they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this
point there would be many more rumours and some of which from sources
who in the past have been very credible and there are no such rumours.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other
phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when
the phone was released, there was a major back up, so people waited
weeks before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple
phone releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the demand
for this particular phone. So, you have a case where people just
purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here we are in September
almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases a new SE
now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think the folks
who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. You know,
Apple, why didn't you release this phone last fall with all of the
others? Why did you wait over half a year, then release the phone, and right o

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

OK. I don't know anything about Verizon's network. I know that there have been 
many improvements in T-Mobile over the last couple of years. A lot of those 
have to do with band 12. And with older phones, including your six, band 12 
wasn't available. In that case, an upgrade would probably have done a lot of 
good for you, assuming band 12 is in your area of course.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> 
> Well I have a 6 bought in September 2014.  Verizon, and, have problems with 
> dropped calls, keeping connected to network, they say I don't have problems 
> but I do and no one else does.  Spent a total of about 8 hours over two weeks 
> on phone with Verizon and minor improvement in dropped calls,  and last week 
> cousin called, went to voice mail instead of ringing through and I was right 
> here with phone on desk.  May be time but hopefully it will work enough for 
> me to see what features are coming that I may or may not want to use.  
> Computer connection is only so-so also despite Century Link telling me it is 
> "perfect" as a cousin says all the time.  That word and OK are two I am 
> growing rapidly tired of.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> 
> Hi Rose, what phone do you have? Which network are you on? Those bar readings 
> are not all that accurate. There is another way where you can actually get 
> the true signal reading. But of course, I don't remember what it is, and it 
> may very from carrier to carrier. If you have an older phone with an older 
> radio, and your visitors have newer phones, that may account for the 
> difference, or at least some of it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I will 
>> decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone else he 
>> gets full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it isn't my 
>> phone but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has to be wrong 
>> somewhere.  
>> 
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>> 
>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with 
>> an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE 
>> came out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when 
>> something goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got 
>> this reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone 
>> happy is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows 
>> Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone 
>> who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might 
>> include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't 
>> think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more 
>> frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an 
>> SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.
>> 
>>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
>>> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who 
>>> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that 
>>> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
>>>> likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not 
>>>> sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if 
>>>> you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should 
>>>> be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>>>> Original message:
>>>&g

RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Rose Combs]

Well I have a 6 bought in September 2014.  Verizon, and, have problems with 
dropped calls, keeping connected to network, they say I don't have problems but 
I do and no one else does.  Spent a total of about 8 hours over two weeks on 
phone with Verizon and minor improvement in dropped calls,  and last week 
cousin called, went to voice mail instead of ringing through and I was right 
here with phone on desk.  May be time but hopefully it will work enough for me 
to see what features are coming that I may or may not want to use.  Computer 
connection is only so-so also despite Century Link telling me it is "perfect" 
as a cousin says all the time.  That word and OK are two I am growing rapidly 
tired of.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Hi Rose, what phone do you have? Which network are you on? Those bar readings 
are not all that accurate. There is another way where you can actually get the 
true signal reading. But of course, I don't remember what it is, and it may 
very from carrier to carrier. If you have an older phone with an older radio, 
and your visitors have newer phones, that may account for the difference, or at 
least some of it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> 
> If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I will 
> decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone else he gets 
> full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it isn't my phone 
> but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has to be wrong 
> somewhere.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> 
> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with 
> an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE 
> came out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when 
> something goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got 
> this reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone 
> happy is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows 
> Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone 
> who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might 
> include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't 
> think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more 
> frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an 
> SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.
> 
>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
>> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who 
>> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that 
>> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
>>> likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not 
>>> sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if 
>>> you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should 
>>> be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hello Christine,
>>> 
>>>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, 
>>>> you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, 
>>>> I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using 
>>>> your upgrade privileges.
>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>> 
>>>>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

Hi Rose, what phone do you have? Which network are you on? Those bar readings 
are not all that accurate. There is another way where you can actually get the 
true signal reading. But of course, I don't remember what it is, and it may 
very from carrier to carrier. If you have an older phone with an older radio, 
and your visitors have newer phones, that may account for the difference, or at 
least some of it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> 
> If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I will 
> decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone else he gets 
> full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it isn't my phone 
> but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has to be wrong 
> somewhere.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> 
> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an 
> upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came 
> out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something 
> goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this 
> reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone happy is 
> to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple knows 
> they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone who bought an 
> SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might include a smaller 
> form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't think Apple would ever 
> promise not to refresh a phone model any more frequently than once a 
> year. I also don't see what anyone who has an SE would be missing out on 
> if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.
> 
>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
>> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who 
>> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that 
>> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
>>> likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not 
>>> sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if 
>>> you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should 
>>> be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hello Christine,
>>> 
>>>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, 
>>>> you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, 
>>>> I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using 
>>>> your upgrade privileges.
>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Christine Grassman
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>> 
>>>>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
>>>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
>>>> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, 
>>>> or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want 
>>>> the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am 
>>>> trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
>>>> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, 
>>>> the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care 
>>>> about, and unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure 
>>>> I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>>> 
>>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my 
>>>> upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 is

RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Rose Combs]

If I can I will wait and see what the 7 has that I might want, then I will 
decide which phone I wish to have, if I get a new one.  Everyone else he gets 
full signal it seems, I get 2 bars, they keep assuring me it isn't my phone 
but, if visitors get 4-5 bars and I get 2, something has to be wrong somewhere. 
 


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an 
upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came 
out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something 
goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this 
reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone happy is 
to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple knows 
they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone who bought an 
SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might include a smaller 
form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't think Apple would ever 
promise not to refresh a phone model any more frequently than once a 
year. I also don't see what anyone who has an SE would be missing out on 
if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.

On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who just 
> bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that making 
> people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
>> likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not 
>> sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if 
>> you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should be 
>> interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>> Original message:
>>> Hello Christine,
>>
>>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, 
>>> you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, I 
>>> would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using your 
>>> upgrade privileges.
>>
>>> Mark
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Christine Grassman
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>
>>>Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
>>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
>>> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, 
>>> or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want 
>>> the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am 
>>> trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
>>> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, 
>>> the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care 
>>> about, and unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure 
>>> I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>>
>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my 
>>> upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
>>> wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>>
>>> TIA.
>>> Christine
>>
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

Four years worth of upgrades for a phone is pretty good in my opinion, given 
that even with Nexus devices, you're only guaranteed to upgrades. And  many 
other android devices  don't give you that many.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:51 AM, Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade
> ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015
> technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone 7
> will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past
> Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS 10
> that will be out later this year.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
>> eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are they
>> going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year? I can
>> see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away from the
>> other smart phone manufacturers who line their product releases up with
>> the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating system development
>> is more complicated when you have to support different hardware schedules.
>> 
>>> On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody to
>>> do their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not super
>>> technical users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form factor phone
>>> were released. They may hear about it in a news article from a major news
>>> outlet, but the fact is that a large majority of people are users who do
>>> not necessarily follow each Apple Event. Anyhow, when it comes down to it
>>> Apple couldn't care less if they made 10% of their user base mad, after
>>> all, they did this with the iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's
>>> worth, I don't think they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in
>>> September, at this point there would be many more rumours and some of
>>> which from sources who in the past have been very credible and there are
>>> no such rumours.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>> 
>>> Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other
>>> phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when the
>>> phone was released, there was a major back up, so people waited weeks
>>> before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple phone
>>> releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the demand for this
>>> particular phone. So, you have a case where people just purchased phone
>>> maybe in June or July, and here we are in September almost, traditional
>>> iPhone release time. If Apple releases a new SE now in sync with all of
>>> its other phone releases, I think the folks who purchased their phones
>>> recently are going to be upset. You know, Apple, why didn't you release
>>> this phone last fall with all of the others? Why did you wait over half a
>>> year, then release the phone, and right on top of it, release another one?
>>> That's why I figure people would not be happy.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an
>>>> upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came out?
>>>> Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something goes on
>>>> sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this reasoning since
>>>> this would mean the only way to make everyone happy is to never put
>>>> something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple knows they release
>>>> new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone who bought an SE would know
>>>> that there would be a chance Apple might include a smaller form factor
>>>> phone in this fall's line up. I don't think Apple would ever promise not
>>>> to refresh a ph

RE: 5 years? Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The iPhone 5C was indeed released in 2013 alongside the 5S, but from a 
technology view it is more like iPhone 5 technology since it does not yet have 
a 64 bit processor. Anyhow, iOS 11 will come out in 2017 (next year) not in 
2018, that would be iOS 12. Therefore it is the iPhone 5 which still gets iOS 
10 this year, but not iOS 11 next year and as I said, I wouldn't be surprised 
if next year support for all non-64 Bit devices would be dropped, the 5S would 
still get iOS 11 but probably not iOS 12 in 2018.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 5 years? Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE


  very interesting info on how Apple stops providing upgrades genrally after 
five years indeed! The 4S definitely didn't break this cycle, being 2011 
technology, thus i'd imagine that the 5C being 2013 technology, will only go up 
to iOS10? In 2018 when iOS11 comes out, they'll be no more updates for the 5C 
model?

El 27/08/2016 04:51 a.m., Kelly Pierce escribió:
> Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade 
> ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015 
> technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone 7 
> will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past 
> Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS 10 
> that will be out later this year.
>
> Kelly
>
> On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain<chalt...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to 
>> eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are 
>> they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the 
>> year? I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder 
>> away from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product 
>> releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that 
>> operating system development is more complicated when you have to support 
>> different hardware schedules.
>>
>> On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to 
>>> everybody to do their research. There will also be a lot of users 
>>> who are not super technical users who couldn't care less if a new 
>>> smaller form factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a 
>>> news article from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large 
>>> majority of people are users who do not necessarily follow each 
>>> Apple Event. Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care 
>>> less if they made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did 
>>> this with the iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I 
>>> don't think they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in 
>>> September, at this point there would be many more rumours and some 
>>> of which from sources who in the past have been very credible and there are 
>>> no such rumours.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>>
>>> Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other 
>>> phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, 
>>> when the phone was released, there was a major back up, so people 
>>> waited weeks before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for 
>>> Apple phone releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the 
>>> demand for this particular phone. So, you have a case where people 
>>> just purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here we are in 
>>> September almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases 
>>> a new SE now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think 
>>> the folks who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. 
>>> You know, Apple, why didn't you release this phone last fall with 
>>> all of the others? Why did you wait over half a year, then release the 
>>> phone, and right on top of it, release another one?
>>> That's why I figure people would not be happy.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christo

RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this will 
change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the latest features had 
an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what they are doing they can still use 
it for years to come with iOS 9.3.5. Of course the reality is that a device 
that is 5 or 6 or even 7 years old will most likely need a new battery and why 
pay for that if you could get whatever iPhone is free on contract. The 
exception here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a 
prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from 2011 which 
also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me if she could still use 
it and I said that of course she can since while it is a bit slow compared to 
new devices, it is still going strong.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade ability to 
iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015 technology and likely cannot 
accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone 7 will likely not be able to receive a 
new iOS in 2021, based on past Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be 
able to accept iOS 10 that will be out later this year.

Kelly

On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to 
> eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are 
> they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year? 
> I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away 
> from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product 
> releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating 
> system development is more complicated when you have to support different 
> hardware schedules.
>
> On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody 
>> to do their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not 
>> super technical users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form 
>> factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a news article 
>> from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large majority of 
>> people are users who do not necessarily follow each Apple Event. 
>> Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they 
>> made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the 
>> iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think 
>> they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this 
>> point there would be many more rumours and some of which from sources 
>> who in the past have been very credible and there are no such rumours.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>
>> Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other 
>> phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when 
>> the phone was released, there was a major back up, so people waited 
>> weeks before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple 
>> phone releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the demand 
>> for this particular phone. So, you have a case where people just 
>> purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here we are in September 
>> almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases a new SE 
>> now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think the folks 
>> who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. You know, 
>> Apple, why didn't you release this phone last fall with all of the 
>> others? Why did you wait over half a year, then release the phone, and right 
>> on top of it, release another one?
>> That's why I figure people would not be happy.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>>> <chalt...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out 
>>> with an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE 
>>> came out?
>>> Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something 
>>

5 years? Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Gerardo Corripio]

 very interesting info on how Apple stops providing upgrades genrally 
after five years indeed! The 4S definitely didn't break this cycle, 
being 2011 technology, thus i'd imagine that the 5C being 2013 
technology, will only go up to iOS10? In 2018 when iOS11 comes out, 
they'll be no more updates for the 5C model?


El 27/08/2016 04:51 a.m., Kelly Pierce escribió:

Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade
ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015
technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone 7
will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past
Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS 10
that will be out later this year.

Kelly

On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain<chalt...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are they
going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year? I can
see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away from the
other smart phone manufacturers who line their product releases up with
the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating system development
is more complicated when you have to support different hardware schedules.

On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody to
do their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not super
technical users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form factor phone
were released. They may hear about it in a news article from a major news
outlet, but the fact is that a large majority of people are users who do
not necessarily follow each Apple Event. Anyhow, when it comes down to it
Apple couldn't care less if they made 10% of their user base mad, after
all, they did this with the iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's
worth, I don't think they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in
September, at this point there would be many more rumours and some of
which from sources who in the past have been very credible and there are
no such rumours.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other
phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when the
phone was released, there was a major back up, so people waited weeks
before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple phone
releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the demand for this
particular phone. So, you have a case where people just purchased phone
maybe in June or July, and here we are in September almost, traditional
iPhone release time. If Apple releases a new SE now in sync with all of
its other phone releases, I think the folks who purchased their phones
recently are going to be upset. You know, Apple, why didn't you release
this phone last fall with all of the others? Why did you wait over half a
year, then release the phone, and right on top of it, release another one?
That's why I figure people would not be happy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain<chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an
upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came out?
Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something goes on
sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this reasoning since
this would mean the only way to make everyone happy is to never put
something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple knows they release
new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone who bought an SE would know
that there would be a chance Apple might include a smaller form factor
phone in this fall's line up. I don't think Apple would ever promise not
to refresh a phone model any more frequently than once a year. I also
don't see what anyone who has an SE would be missing out on if Apple
upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.


On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I
can't imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of
people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they
do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in
the past. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo<n0...@charter.net>  wrote:

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than
likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do,
not sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs,
so if you want the smaller screen, t

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Gerardo Corripio]

 Christine and listers
I'd take your daughter's 5C for a few weeks or months, wait for the 
comments on how the new iPhone 7 is working, and based on those, and as 
some of the others have said on here, depending on what screen size you 
want/prefer to work with, either upgrade to the SE, or the 7. Good luck 
in your final decision!


El 26/08/2016 09:53 p.m., Christopher Chaltain escribió:
Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with 
an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE 
came out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when 
something goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got 
this reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone 
happy is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows 
Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone 
who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might 
include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't 
think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more 
frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an 
SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this 
fall.


On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I 
can't imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of 
people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if 
they do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from doing 
things in the past. Smile.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more 
than likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 
plus do, not sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the 
iphone 7 specs, so if you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE 
might be a good choice, should be interesting to see what Apple 
introduces though.

Original message:

Hello Christine,


Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is 
to say, you have access to an interim phone to use until the 
release of iPhone 7, I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 
is released before using your upgrade privileges.



Mark



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Christine Grassman

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE


   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade 
toward an iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was 
brutally victimized by a car backing up today, and I am now faced 
with using my upgrade for an SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C 
until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of syncing 
two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying to figure 
out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait 
and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main 
features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care 
about, and unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I 
figure I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to 
wow me.


In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use 
my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t 
worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.



TIA.
Christine



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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Kelly Pierce]

Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade
ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015
technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone 7
will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past
Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS 10
that will be out later this year.

Kelly

On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
> eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are they
> going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year? I can
> see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away from the
> other smart phone manufacturers who line their product releases up with
> the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating system development
> is more complicated when you have to support different hardware schedules.
>
> On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody to
>> do their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not super
>> technical users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form factor phone
>> were released. They may hear about it in a news article from a major news
>> outlet, but the fact is that a large majority of people are users who do
>> not necessarily follow each Apple Event. Anyhow, when it comes down to it
>> Apple couldn't care less if they made 10% of their user base mad, after
>> all, they did this with the iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's
>> worth, I don't think they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in
>> September, at this point there would be many more rumours and some of
>> which from sources who in the past have been very credible and there are
>> no such rumours.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>
>> Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other
>> phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when the
>> phone was released, there was a major back up, so people waited weeks
>> before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple phone
>> releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the demand for this
>> particular phone. So, you have a case where people just purchased phone
>> maybe in June or July, and here we are in September almost, traditional
>> iPhone release time. If Apple releases a new SE now in sync with all of
>> its other phone releases, I think the folks who purchased their phones
>> recently are going to be upset. You know, Apple, why didn't you release
>> this phone last fall with all of the others? Why did you wait over half a
>> year, then release the phone, and right on top of it, release another one?
>> That's why I figure people would not be happy.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an
>>> upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came out?
>>> Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something goes on
>>> sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this reasoning since
>>> this would mean the only way to make everyone happy is to never put
>>> something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple knows they release
>>> new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone who bought an SE would know
>>> that there would be a chance Apple might include a smaller form factor
>>> phone in this fall's line up. I don't think Apple would ever promise not
>>> to refresh a phone model any more frequently than once a year. I also
>>> don't see what anyone who has an SE would be missing out on if Apple
>>> upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.
>>>
>>>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I
>>>> can't imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of
>>>> people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they
>>>> do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in
>>>> the past. Smi

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to 
eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are they 
going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year? I can 
see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away from the 
other smart phone manufacturers who line their product releases up with 
the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating system development 
is more complicated when you have to support different hardware schedules.


On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody to do 
their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not super technical 
users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form factor phone were released. 
They may hear about it in a news article from a major news outlet, but the fact 
is that a large majority of people are users who do not necessarily follow each 
Apple Event. Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they 
made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the iPad a few 
years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think they are going to 
release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this point there would be many more 
rumours and some of which from sources who in the past have been very credible 
and there are no such rumours.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other phones 
last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when the phone was 
released, there was a major back up, so people waited weeks before getting 
their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple phone releases, and they 
admitted that they underestimated the demand for this particular phone. So, you 
have a case where people just purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here 
we are in September almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases 
a new SE now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think the folks 
who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. You know, Apple, why 
didn't you release this phone last fall with all of the others? Why did you 
wait over half a year, then release the phone, and right on top of it, release 
another one? That's why I figure people would not be happy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an 
upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came out? Are 
you talking about the same people who get mad when something goes on sale after 
they paid full price for it? I never got this reasoning since this would mean 
the only way to make everyone happy is to never put something on sale. I'd 
assume anyone who knows Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd 
think anyone who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple 
might include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't think 
Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more frequently than 
once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an SE would be missing out on 
if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.


On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who just 
bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that making 
people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than likely, 
the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not sure if 
Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if you want the 
smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should be interesting to 
see what Apple introduces though.
Original message:

Hello Christine,



Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, you 
have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, I would 
recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using your upgrade 
privileges.



Mark



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christine Grassman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE



  Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

I suppose, but wouldn't this also be true for someone who just bought an 
iPhone 6S? I guess someone might have bought an SE recently thinking 
Apple wouldn't refresh it this fall, because as you said, Apple didn't 
release the SE until the spring, but Apple doesn't make guarantees, and 
if you were going to be upset in this case then you probably should have 
kept waiting to make sure, at least IMHO.


I should confess that I'm not a proponent of waiting myself, although I 
did hold on to my 4S for over four years. Of course it depends on the 
situation. If you've got a phone you're not unhappy with and a new 
release is right around the corner, then sure go ahead and wait. I 
bought my iPhone 4S in the summer, and sure, I could have waited four 
months when the iPhone 5 came out, but then I would have been using my 
old Nokia, which I loved when it was new, for another four months. The 
iPhone 5 was a nicer phone when it came out, but my 4S served me well 
for over four years, and I have no regrets.


That being said, I did make trips to AT twice yearly to check out the 
new batch of iPhones in the fall and the new batch of Samsung phones in 
the spring. Each time, I decided I'd wait another six months to see what 
would come out next. My wife was convinced I'd never get a new phone 
until my 4S fell apart. Of course, in this situation, I had a phone I 
wasn't unhappy with, so I had no problems waiting. With the rumors 
swirling around about what the fall might bring, and given how old my 4S 
was and that it wouldn't be seeing another IOS, I finally decided I 
didn't need to keep waiting, so I took the plunge and finally upgraded 
my 4S this summer.


On 26/08/16 22:03, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other phones 
last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when the phone was 
released, there was a major back up, so people waited weeks before getting 
their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple phone releases, and they 
admitted that they underestimated the demand for this particular phone. So, you 
have a case where people just purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here 
we are in September almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases 
a new SE now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think the folks 
who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. You know, Apple, why 
didn't you release this phone last fall with all of the others? Why did you 
wait over half a year, then release the phone, and right on top of it, release 
another one? That's why I figure people would not be happy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an 
upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came out? Are 
you talking about the same people who get mad when something goes on sale after 
they paid full price for it? I never got this reasoning since this would mean 
the only way to make everyone happy is to never put something on sale. I'd 
assume anyone who knows Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd 
think anyone who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple 
might include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't think 
Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more frequently than 
once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an SE would be missing out on 
if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.


On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who just 
bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that making 
people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than likely, 
the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not sure if 
Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if you want the 
smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should be interesting to 
see what Apple introduces though.
Original message:

Hello Christine,



Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, you 
have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, I would 
recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using your upgrade 
privileges.



Mark



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christine Grassman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE



  Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to us

RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody to do 
their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not super technical 
users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form factor phone were released. 
They may hear about it in a news article from a major news outlet, but the fact 
is that a large majority of people are users who do not necessarily follow each 
Apple Event. Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they 
made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the iPad a few 
years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think they are going to 
release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this point there would be many more 
rumours and some of which from sources who in the past have been very credible 
and there are no such rumours.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other phones 
last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when the phone was 
released, there was a major back up, so people waited weeks before getting 
their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple phone releases, and they 
admitted that they underestimated the demand for this particular phone. So, you 
have a case where people just purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here 
we are in September almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases 
a new SE now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think the folks 
who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. You know, Apple, why 
didn't you release this phone last fall with all of the others? Why did you 
wait over half a year, then release the phone, and right on top of it, release 
another one? That's why I figure people would not be happy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an 
> upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came out? Are 
> you talking about the same people who get mad when something goes on sale 
> after they paid full price for it? I never got this reasoning since this 
> would mean the only way to make everyone happy is to never put something on 
> sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple knows they release new phones in the 
> fall, so I'd think anyone who bought an SE would know that there would be a 
> chance Apple might include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line 
> up. I don't think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any 
> more frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an SE 
> would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.
> 
>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
>> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who 
>> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that 
>> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
>>> likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not 
>>> sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if 
>>> you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should 
>>> be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hello Christine,
>>> 
>>>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, 
>>>> you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, 
>>>> I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using 
>>>> your upgrade privileges.
>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Christine Grassman
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>> 
>>>>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
>>>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally v

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other phones 
last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when the phone was 
released, there was a major back up, so people waited weeks before getting 
their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple phone releases, and they 
admitted that they underestimated the demand for this particular phone. So, you 
have a case where people just purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here 
we are in September almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases 
a new SE now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think the folks 
who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. You know, Apple, why 
didn't you release this phone last fall with all of the others? Why did you 
wait over half a year, then release the phone, and right on top of it, release 
another one? That's why I figure people would not be happy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an 
> upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came out? Are 
> you talking about the same people who get mad when something goes on sale 
> after they paid full price for it? I never got this reasoning since this 
> would mean the only way to make everyone happy is to never put something on 
> sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple knows they release new phones in the 
> fall, so I'd think anyone who bought an SE would know that there would be a 
> chance Apple might include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line 
> up. I don't think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any 
> more frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an SE 
> would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.
> 
>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
>> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who 
>> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that 
>> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
>>> likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not 
>>> sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if 
>>> you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should 
>>> be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hello Christine,
>>> 
>>>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, 
>>>> you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, 
>>>> I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using 
>>>> your upgrade privileges.
>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Christine Grassman
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>> 
>>>>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
>>>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
>>>> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, 
>>>> or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want 
>>>> the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am 
>>>> trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
>>>> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, 
>>>> the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care 
>>>> about, and unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure 
>>>> I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>>> 
>>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my 
>>>> upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
>>>> wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>>> 
>>>> TIA.
>>>> Christine
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out with an 
upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE came 
out? Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something 
goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this 
reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone happy is 
to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple knows 
they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone who bought an 
SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might include a smaller 
form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't think Apple would ever 
promise not to refresh a phone model any more frequently than once a 
year. I also don't see what anyone who has an SE would be missing out on 
if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE this fall.


On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:

Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who just 
bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that making 
people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than likely, 
the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not sure if 
Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if you want the 
smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should be interesting to 
see what Apple introduces though.
Original message:

Hello Christine,



Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, you 
have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, I would 
recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using your upgrade 
privileges.



Mark



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Christine Grassman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE



   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car 
backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or using 
my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of 
syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying to figure out 
whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with 
the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest 
involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any 
amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year 
anniversary for Apple to wow me.



In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my upgrade, 
get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth wasting my upgrade 
or extra money.



TIA.
Christine



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RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I doubt the form factor of the iPhone 7 will be different from the 6/6 Plus and 
6S/6S Plus. My guess is that the new phones this year will be exactly the same 
as for the last 2 years and next year there will be a new form factor.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than likely, 
the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not sure if 
Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if you want the 
smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should be interesting to 
see what Apple introduces though.
Original message:
> Hello Christine,

> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to 
> say, you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of 
> iPhone 7, I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released 
> before using your upgrade privileges.

> Mark

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

> Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade 
> toward an iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally 
> victimized by a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my 
> upgrade for an SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 
> comes out. I don’t want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather 
> quick succession, so I am trying to figure out whether to just get the 
> SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. 
> From what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest involve 
> improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any 
> amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the 
> ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.

> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my 
> upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
> wasting my upgrade or extra money.

> TIA.
> Christine

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RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Bryan Schulz]

Hi,

I don't know how that would be possible as the activation fees were waved and 
the second phone is on my account and shown as a $25 credit each month for the 
phone but I still have to pay for the data and protection plan.
Bryan


-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Wonder how the terms work? could a family member that only needed one, have two 
and sell the second?

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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE


Hi,

It depends on if you have a family member or another person who needs a phone.
At has a buy one get one free until the end of the month.
Bryan


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

If it were me, I would use the old phone until you see the 7 and what
it has to offer. You could still get the SE at that point if you want
and maybe get a better price after the new phone comes out.

On 8/26/16, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an iPhone
> 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car
> backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or
> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the
> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying
> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or
> wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main
> features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and
> unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as
> well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>
> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t
> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>
> TIA.
> Christine
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RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Bryan Schulz]

Hi,

I had to go with the 6s because there was a dollar limit on the buy one-get one 
free.
I wanted to upgrade before no headphone jack on the 7's.
That's alright, thanks.
Bryan


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Bryan and all,
Regarding the phone's battery, if you have jus the phone itself
without any extra battery cases, then the 6S Plus battery would last
longer. However, if you were to invest in a MofiJuice Pack (probably
misspelled but you know what I mean), or an Apple Smart Battery Case
for the 6S, then your battery life for the 6S will almost be that of
the 6S Plus. Once when I was not able to charge my 6S with the Smart
Battery case over night, the phone and extra case battery lasted me
about 30 hours before I got down to 30 percent or less. This of course
depends on what you do and what apps are open.

Wayne

On 8/26/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, if you want the home button, which from what I read they could be
> removing it… don't quote me on that, you might want to consider one of the
> older models.
>
> Portia.
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise,
>> spend the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16
>> GB in this day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the
>> phone with only 16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with
>> other fully accessible storage.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is
>>> nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is
>>> also much cheaper than the other at $399.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an
>>>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by
>>>> a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an
>>>> SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t
>>>> want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so
>>>> I am trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller
>>>> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to
>>>> gather, the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I
>>>> do not care about, and unless there are any amazing features or
>>>> improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary
>>>> for Apple to wow me.
>>>>
>>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
>>>> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7
>>>> isn’t worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>>>>
>>>> TIA.
>>>> Christine
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RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

16 gig is large compared to what I used to have.  I had a 5c with 8 gig of 
storeage.  Earlier this year I got a 6s plus with 128 gig of storeage.  A 
couple of weeks ago I gave my old iPhone to my Niece.  I'm thrilled with all 
the extra storeage that I now have.

Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mike Arrigo]

If the smaller screen is prefered, then I would just go for the iphone 
SE, it was just released this year, so it's not outdated, that will 
probably be my next one too, I prefer the smaller size.

Original message:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I 
can't imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of 
people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they 
do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in 
the past. Smile.

Mary




Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:


This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, 
not sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, 
so if you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good 
choice, should be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.

Original message:

Hello Christine,


Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to 
say, you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of 
iPhone 7, I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released 
before using your upgrade privileges.



Mark



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Behalf Of Christine Grassman

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE


   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward 
an iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally 
victimized by a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my 
upgrade for an SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 
comes out. I don’t want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather 
quick succession, so I am trying to figure out whether to just get the 
SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From 
what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest involve improved 
camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any amazing 
features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year 
anniversary for Apple to wow me.


In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my 
upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
wasting my upgrade or extra money.



TIA.
Christine



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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Wonder how the terms work? could a family member that only needed one, have two 
and sell the second?

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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE


Hi,

It depends on if you have a family member or another person who needs a phone.
At has a buy one get one free until the end of the month.
Bryan


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

If it were me, I would use the old phone until you see the 7 and what
it has to offer. You could still get the SE at that point if you want
and maybe get a better price after the new phone comes out.

On 8/26/16, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an iPhone
> 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car
> backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or
> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the
> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying
> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or
> wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main
> features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and
> unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as
> well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>
> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t
> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
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> TIA.
> Christine
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Given there's a choice, I'd borrow the 5C and wait.  Using upgrade and 
regretting it next month would be a bummer. You could still 
have an sE or the new equivalent, or even find it reduced in price once it 
wasn't a front line product.
don't think we ever had a phone at launch, though did have the iPqad Mini when 
it first came out.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Grassman" <cgrassman1...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:03 PM
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE


Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an iPhone 7, 
based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally 
victimized by a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade 
for an SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the 
iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather 
quick succession, so I am trying to figure out 
whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with 
the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main 
features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and 
unless there are any amazing features or improvements, 
I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.

In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
wasting my upgrade or extra money.

TIA.
Christine

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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Wayne Merritt]

Bryan and all,
Regarding the phone's battery, if you have jus the phone itself
without any extra battery cases, then the 6S Plus battery would last
longer. However, if you were to invest in a MofiJuice Pack (probably
misspelled but you know what I mean), or an Apple Smart Battery Case
for the 6S, then your battery life for the 6S will almost be that of
the 6S Plus. Once when I was not able to charge my 6S with the Smart
Battery case over night, the phone and extra case battery lasted me
about 30 hours before I got down to 30 percent or less. This of course
depends on what you do and what apps are open.

Wayne

On 8/26/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
> Also, if you want the home button, which from what I read they could be
> removing it… don't quote me on that, you might want to consider one of the
> older models.
>
> Portia.
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise,
>> spend the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16
>> GB in this day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the
>> phone with only 16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with
>> other fully accessible storage.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon  wrote:
>>>
>>> The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is
>>> nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is
>>> also much cheaper than the other at $399.
>>>
>>>
 On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an
 iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by
 a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an
 SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t
 want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so
 I am trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller
 screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to
 gather, the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I
 do not care about, and unless there are any amazing features or
 improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary
 for Apple to wow me.

 In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7
 isn’t worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.

 TIA.
 Christine
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Portia Scott]

Also, if you want the home button, which from what I read they could be 
removing it… don't quote me on that, you might want to consider one of the 
older models.

Portia.
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise, spend 
> the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16 GB in 
> this day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the phone 
> with only 16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with other fully 
> accessible storage.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon  wrote:
>> 
>> The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is 
>> nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is also 
>> much cheaper than the other at $399.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
>>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
>>> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, 
>>> or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want 
>>> the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am 
>>> trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
>>> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, 
>>> the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care 
>>> about, and unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure 
>>> I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>>> 
>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
>>> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t 
>>> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>>> 
>>> TIA.
>>> Christine
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

That is a one off in my opinion. I could be wrong, but given the fact that the 
SE came out what was it, spring? It's still selling well. If they come out with 
a new one now, with no good reason to do so,… Well, we'll see.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I would TendToDisagree
> 
> Apple has Since TimCook TookTheHelm of Apple as its CEO Release 2 iOSDevices 
> WithIn TheSameYear ... I'm Referring to The iPad ... When Apple Altered the 
> iOSDevice's ChargingPort to the LighteningConnector  IN 2012
> At 09:42 AM 8/26/2016, you wrote:
>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
>> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who 
>> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that 
>> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
>> > likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not 
>> > sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if 
>> > you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should 
>> > be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>> > Original message:
>> >> Hello Christine,
>> >
>> >> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, 
>> >> you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, 
>> >> I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using 
>> >> your upgrade privileges.
>> >
>> >> Mark
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-
>> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> >> Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>> >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>> >
>> >>Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward 
>> >> an iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized 
>> >> by a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for 
>> >> an SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I 
>> >> don’t want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick 
>> >> succession, so I am trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I 
>> >> like the smaller screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7.  From what 
>> >> I’m able to gather, the main features of interest involve improved 
>> >> camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any amazing 
>> >> features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year 
>> >> anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>> >
>> >> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my 
>> >> upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
>> >> wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>> >
>> >> TIA.
>> >> Christine
>> >
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Robin]

I would TendToDisagree

Apple has Since TimCook TookTheHelm of Apple as 
its CEO Release 2 iOSDevices WithIn TheSameYear 
... I'm Referring to The iPad ... When Apple 
Altered the iOSDevice's ChargingPort to the LighteningConnector  IN 2012

At 09:42 AM 8/26/2016, you wrote:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked 
the smaller screen. I can't imagine Apple 
introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of 
people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to 
be hopping mad if they do. Not that making 
people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> This may also depend on whether you want the 
larger screen, more than likely, the iphone 7 
will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus 
do, not sure if Apple will have a newer SE 
version with the iphone 7 specs, so if you want 
the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a 
good choice, should be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.

> Original message:
>> Hello Christine,
>
>> Were I you, given the situation as you have 
described it, this is to say, you have access 
to an interim phone to use until the release of 
iPhone 7, I would recommend that you wait until 
iPhone 7 is released before using your upgrade privileges.

>
>> Mark
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman

>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>
>>Is there any reason to wait a few 
weeks to use my upgrade toward an iPhone 7, 
based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was 
brutally victimized by a car backing up today, 
and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an 
SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the 
iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle 
of syncing two new phones in rather quick 
succession, so I am trying to figure out 
whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. 
 From what I’m able to gather, the main 
features of interest involve improved camera, 
which I do not care about, and unless there are 
any amazing features or improvements, I figure 
I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.

>
>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for 
a few weeks; or 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, 
and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t 
worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.

>
>> TIA.
>> Christine
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Rajmund]

No, I agree with you there. Although, again that's personal preference. I'd 
either use my braille sense or a  stream for it, but if anything, I prefer 
books in text. Still, if we find out more about what the phone could be used 
for, we may be able to help more accurately. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

>
>
> True enough. Don't forget audiobooks. Between music and audiobooks, there is 
> no way 16 would do it for me.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, it depends on what you use it for, though. I still have plenty of room 
> > on my 16 GB 5S, and that even has the beta, which, as we know, takes room 
> > to even  install, but would rather not say too much. Still, if you don't 
> > keep pictures, videos, and music, you should be good.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from a Braille Sense 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:30 pm
> > Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise, 
> >> spend the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16 
> >> GB in this day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the 
> >> phone with only 16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with 
> >> other fully accessible storage.
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is 
> >>> nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is 
> >>> also much cheaper than the other at $399.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> >>>>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
> >>>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by 
> >>>> a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an 
> >>>> SE, or using my daughter's old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don't 
> >>>> want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so 
> >>>> I am trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
> >>>> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I'm able to 
> >>>> gather, the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I 
> >>>> do not care about, and unless there are any amazing features or 
> >>>> improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary 
> >>>> for Apple to wow me.
> >>>> 
> >>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter's old 5C for a few weeks; or
> >>>> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 
> >>>> isn't worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
> >>>> 
> >>>> TIA.
> >>>> Christine
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

True enough. Don't forget audiobooks. Between music and audiobooks, there is no 
way 16 would do it for me.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, it depends on what you use it for, though. I still have plenty of room on 
> my 16 GB 5S, and that even has the beta, which, as we know, takes room to 
> even  install, but would rather not say too much. Still, if you don't keep 
> pictures, videos, and music, you should be good.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:30 pm
> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> 
>> 
>> 
>> That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise, spend 
>> the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16 GB in 
>> this day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the phone 
>> with only 16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with other 
>> fully accessible storage.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is 
>>> nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is also 
>>> much cheaper than the other at $399.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
>>>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
>>>> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, 
>>>> or using my daughter's old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don't want 
>>>> the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am 
>>>> trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
>>>> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I'm able to gather, 
>>>> the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care 
>>>> about, and unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure 
>>>> I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>>>> 
>>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter's old 5C for a few weeks; or
>>>> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn't 
>>>> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>>>> 
>>>> TIA.
>>>> Christine
>>> 
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Rajmund]

Hi, it depends on what you use it for, though. I still have plenty of room on 
my 16 GB 5S, and that even has the beta, which, as we know, takes room to even  
install, but would rather not say too much. Still, if you don't keep pictures, 
videos, and music, you should be good.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:30 pm
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

>
>
> That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise, spend 
> the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16 GB in 
> this day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the phone 
> with only 16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with other fully 
> accessible storage.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is 
> > nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is also 
> > much cheaper than the other at $399.
> > 
> > 
> >> On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> >>Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
> >> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
> >> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, 
> >> or using my daughter's old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don't want 
> >> the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am 
> >> trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
> >> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I'm able to gather, 
> >> the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care 
> >> about, and unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure 
> >> I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
> >> 
> >> In short: 1. Take my daughter's old 5C for a few weeks; or
> >> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn't 
> >> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
> >> 
> >> TIA.
> >> Christine
> > 
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RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Bryan Schulz]

Hi,

would you say the 6s or the 6s+ battery lasts longer?
Bryan


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality 
is nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is 
also much cheaper than the other at $399.


On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or 
> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the 
> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying 
> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait 
> and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main features of 
> interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there 
> are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the 
> ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>
> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t 
> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>
> TIA.
> Christine
>

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RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Bryan Schulz]

Hi,

It depends on if you have a family member or another person who needs a phone.
At has a buy one get one free until the end of the month.
Bryan


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

If it were me, I would use the old phone until you see the 7 and what
it has to offer. You could still get the SE at that point if you want
and maybe get a better price after the new phone comes out.

On 8/26/16, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
> iPhone
> 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car
> backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or
> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the
> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying
> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or
> wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main
> features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and
> unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as
> well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>
> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t
> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>
> TIA.
> Christine
>
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Wayne Merritt]

I've read rumors that there will be a 32 GB option of the iPhone 7. We
will see in a few weeks when we know more, but that was one of many
rumors of the new iPhone. I hope they do though, since 16 GB is
extremely small. Good for those on a budget, but not much else.

Wayne

On 8/26/16, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't
> imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who
> just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that
> making people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than
>> likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not
>> sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if
>> you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should
>> be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
>> Original message:
>>> Hello Christine,
>>
>>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say,
>>> you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7,
>>> I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using
>>> your upgrade privileges.
>>
>>> Mark
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>
>>>Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward
>>> an iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized
>>> by a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for
>>> an SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I
>>> don’t want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick
>>> succession, so I am trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I
>>> like the smaller screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what
>>> I’m able to gather, the main features of interest involve improved
>>> camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any amazing
>>> features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year
>>> anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>>
>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my
>>> upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth
>>> wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>>
>>> TIA.
>>> Christine
>>
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. I can't 
imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot of people who just 
bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad if they do. Not that making 
people mad has stopped Apple from doing things in the past. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than likely, 
> the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, not sure if 
> Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, so if you want 
> the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good choice, should be 
> interesting to see what Apple introduces though.
> Original message:
>> Hello Christine,
> 
>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, 
>> you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, I 
>> would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using your 
>> upgrade privileges.
> 
>> Mark
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Christine Grassman
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> 
>>Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
>> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or 
>> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the 
>> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying 
>> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or 
>> wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main 
>> features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and 
>> unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as 
>> well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
> 
>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my 
>> upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
>> wasting my upgrade or extra money.
> 
>> TIA.
>> Christine
> 
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

I hear you about  t-mo. That's all they had here. I didn't get one. I will soon 
however.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Gordon  wrote:
> 
> yeah I plan to upgrade that to the 64 soon. It's all that T-mobile had when I 
> bought it. I'm not good with patients, so I wanted it that day.
> 
> 
>> On 8/26/2016 11:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise, spend 
>> the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16 GB in 
>> this day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the phone 
>> with only 16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with other 
>> fully accessible storage.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is 
>>> nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is also 
>>> much cheaper than the other at $399.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
 iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
 car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, 
 or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want 
 the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am 
 trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller 
 screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, 
 the main features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care 
 about, and unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure 
 I may as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
 
 In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t 
 worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
 
 TIA.
 Christine
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mike Arrigo]

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more than 
likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6 plus do, 
not sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the iphone 7 specs, 
so if you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE might be a good 
choice, should be interesting to see what Apple introduces though.

Original message:

Hello Christine,


Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to 
say, you have access to an interim phone to use until the release of 
iPhone 7, I would recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released 
before using your upgrade privileges.



Mark



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Christine Grassman

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE


Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade 
toward an iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally 
victimized by a car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my 
upgrade for an SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 
comes out. I don’t want the hassle of syncing two new phones in rather 
quick succession, so I am trying to figure out whether to just get the 
SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. From 
what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest involve improved 
camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any amazing 
features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year 
anniversary for Apple to wow me.


In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my 
upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
wasting my upgrade or extra money.



TIA.
Christine



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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Gordon]

yeah I plan to upgrade that to the 64 soon. It's all that T-mobile had 
when I bought it. I'm not good with patients, so I wanted it that day.



On 8/26/2016 11:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise, spend 
the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16 GB in this 
day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the phone with only 
16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with other fully accessible 
storage.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon  wrote:

The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is nice 
as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is also much 
cheaper than the other at $399.



On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an iPhone 
7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car backing 
up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or using my 
daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of 
syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying to figure out 
whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with 
the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest 
involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any 
amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year 
anniversary for Apple to wow me.

In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
wasting my upgrade or extra money.

TIA.
Christine

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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

That's $399 for a 16 GB. If you're OK with that, go for it. Otherwise, spend 
the extra hundred and get more space. I can't imagine using only 16 GB in this 
day and age. Apple really should be ashamed for putting out the phone with only 
16 GB, since they have no means of  adding to that with other fully accessible 
storage.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Gordon  wrote:
> 
> The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality is 
> nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is also 
> much cheaper than the other at $399.
> 
> 
>> On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
>> iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a 
>> car backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or 
>> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the 
>> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying 
>> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or 
>> wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main 
>> features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and 
>> unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as 
>> well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>> 
>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
>> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t 
>> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>> 
>> TIA.
>> Christine
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Gordon]

The SE is a really good phone with awesome battery life. Sound quality 
is nice as well. If you like the smaller screen, go for it. The phone is 
also much cheaper than the other at $399.



On 8/26/2016 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car 
backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or using 
my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of 
syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying to figure out 
whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with 
the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest 
involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any 
amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year 
anniversary for Apple to wow me.

In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
wasting my upgrade or extra money.

TIA.
Christine



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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

 Hi Christine,
Here is another possible point in favor of getting the iPhone now rather than 
waiting. If you are the type who does not like to rush out and get the first 
version of a new OS that comes out, getting the phone now will mean that you 
can keep iOS 9 until you are satisfied that I OS X is going to work for you. If 
you don't care about that, or perhaps you've been using the beta or you know 
people who have, and they told you that it works great with voiceover, and this 
is not a consideration. Otherwise, getting the phone now will alleviate the 
need to jump right in when the new OS is first out.
Mary


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> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:14 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Christine,
> 
> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, you 
> have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, I would 
> recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using your upgrade 
> privileges.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christine Grassman
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
> 
>Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an iPhone 
> 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car 
> backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or 
> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the 
> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying 
> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait 
> and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main features of 
> interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there 
> are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the 
> ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me. 
> 
> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my upgrade, 
> get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth wasting my 
> upgrade or extra money.
> 
> TIA.
> Christine
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RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[M. Taylor]

Hello Christine,

Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is to say, you 
have access to an interim phone to use until the release of iPhone 7, I would 
recommend that you wait until iPhone 7 is released before using your upgrade 
privileges.  

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christine Grassman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car 
backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or using 
my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of 
syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying to figure out 
whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with 
the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest 
involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any 
amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year 
anniversary for Apple to wow me. 

In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use my upgrade, 
get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth wasting my upgrade 
or extra money.

TIA.
Christine

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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

 Well, since you said you like the small screen, that would be a definite point 
in favor of the SE. As you probably know, the se  does not have thethe 3D Touch 
feature, and that is going to have more use in the new OS. But if you don't 
care, go for the SE. Why not? Also, if you care about the headphone jack, 
chances are very good that the new phone is not going to have one. If you are 
OK with 64 GB of storage, that would be another point in favor. The newer 
models are said to have more storage capacity.

Mary


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> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an iPhone 
> 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car 
> backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or 
> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the 
> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying 
> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait 
> and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main features of 
> interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there 
> are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the 
> ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me. 
> 
> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t 
> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
> 
> TIA.
> Christine
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Kimber Gardner]

If it were me, I would use the old phone until you see the 7 and what
it has to offer. You could still get the SE at that point if you want
and maybe get a better price after the new phone comes out.

On 8/26/16, Christine Grassman  wrote:
>   Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
> iPhone
> 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car
> backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or
> using my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the
> hassle of syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying
> to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or
> wait and see with the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main
> features of interest involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and
> unless there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as
> well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.
>
> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
> 2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t
> worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.
>
> TIA.
> Christine
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Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christine Grassman]

Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade toward an 
iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was brutally victimized by a car 
backing up today, and I am now faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or using 
my daughter’s old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of 
syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying to figure out 
whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller screen), or wait and see with 
the iPHone 7. From what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest 
involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless there are any 
amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as well wait for the ten-year 
anniversary for Apple to wow me. 

In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or
2. Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 isn’t worth 
wasting my upgrade or extra money.

TIA.
Christine

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