Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hello,

Thank you very much for that comprehensive and detailed first 
impressions of the Watch series 3 device.


Mine won't be shipping for at least 3-4 weeks so the Apple Store order 
confirmation tells  me.


I did have the first gen Watch fleetingly, but found it very slow and 
quite buggy.


From what I've read Watch OS 4 which is of course backwards compatible 
        with older Watches   sounds promising.


Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

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JAWS certified, 2017.

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On 24/09/2017 8:21 AM, GS wrote:

Well, I did the signature while I was on the phone making the order. However, I 
had to close my mail client and restart it because the email was not pushing 
and wouldn't submit to an attempted pull. The T-Mobile representative was 
insistent that we complete it at that time and I was not prepared to argue with 
her because I too wanted to get the order completed to insure I would get the 
watch as soon as possible.

I do not have much personal experience with using the Apple Watch prior to 
receiving this one so I may not be a good person to say how it differs from the 
Series 2. I can tell you that I am getting acquainted with it and it seems to 
work very well. I have to keep reminding myself that it is not an iOS device in 
a smaller box and it is not going to allow me to do everything I can do on the 
iPhone. It is fairly responsive compared to what I have heard about the Series 
2. I have heard some demos of the Series 2 and decided to wait for a faster 
processor before spending money on it.

The Series 3 seems to take about 70 seconds to boot. Most of the apps load 
within a reasonable amount of time. VO is fairly snappy when using it with the 
watch speaker. As with iOS, when using VO with blue tooth headphones can be 
laggy.

I was able to get the LTE setup with no difficulty and it connected fairly 
quickly (within a couple of minutes) the first time I tried it. The battery has 
been surprisingly good so far but I will reserve final judgment since I've only 
been using it for a little more than 24 hours and that mostly connected via the 
iPhone.

I don't mind the way Siri works on the watch. I like reading the screen better than 
chatting back and forth with an assistant anyway. Today I asked Siri "What is the 
nearest cycling store" and got a single result with all relevant information 
including phone number and address.

I am learning about complications and faces and am still in the process of 
determining how I want to organize the watch for maximum efficiency. I am 
evaluating apps to figure out which ones really work and which are gimmicks. 
For instance, I was hoping to be able to use the Starbucks app to make an order 
via the watch but that is not possible. On the other hand, the Chipotle app 
will allow one to complete a new order from a past order.

I love how the Messages app works but am disappointed that I can't seem to work 
out what is causing Twitterrific not to work at all. I am not too concerned 
with that because one of the things I want to do with Twitter is view timelines 
and Twitterrific will not do that.

I am disappointed that there is not a Spotify app but I now have the pleasure 
of a subscription to Apple Music again. I speculated that Apple decided to hold 
its watch users hostage to its own music offering and may not be allowing there 
to be a Spotify app but I do not know that to be true. So I will pay for both 
services for the time being.

I am disappointed with the functionality of the TuneIn app not streaming 
directly to the watch as I use it a lot.

I enjoy the ability to get the seconds of time rather than just the minute. 
Fantastical has a quite nice interface, as does Mail. I am looking forward to 
experimenting with Downcast and many other apps.

I have never liked talking to my phone but have realized that I need to get 
past that and will endeavor to do so in order to take advantage of the features 
of the watch.

I am still an infant with regard to the Apple Watch but am happy with my 
experience thus far.




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Awesome, what are your thoughts so far. I would have probably had mine 
yesterday if I had signed the e signature in time. When I talked to the rep 
after setting up the pre-order she told me the twenty second would be the date 
I would receive it, but When I got the signature done the next day, I got the 
30th of October. I need to see about my phone today so might see if I can just 
pick one up in the store.

On 9/23/17, GS <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I received my Series 3 watch ordered through T-Mobile yesterday. I
also got the three months fre

Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

work at all. I am not too 
>>>> concerned with that because one of the things I want to do with Twitter is 
>>>> view timelines and Twitterrific will not do that.
>>>> 
>>>> I am disappointed that there is not a Spotify app but I now have the 
>>>> pleasure of a subscription to Apple Music again. I speculated that Apple 
>>>> decided to hold its watch users hostage to its own music offering and may 
>>>> not be allowing there to be a Spotify app but I do not know that to be 
>>>> true. So I will pay for both services for the time being.
>>>> 
>>>> I am disappointed with the functionality of the TuneIn app not streaming 
>>>> directly to the watch as I use it a lot.
>>>> 
>>>> I enjoy the ability to get the seconds of time rather than just the 
>>>> minute. Fantastical has a quite nice interface, as does Mail. I am looking 
>>>> forward to experimenting with Downcast and many other apps.
>>>> 
>>>> I have never liked talking to my phone but have realized that I need to 
>>>> get past that and will endeavor to do so in order to take advantage of the 
>>>> features of the watch.
>>>> 
>>>> I am still an infant with regard to the Apple Watch but am happy with my 
>>>> experience thus far.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of lenron brown
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:34 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my 
>>>> carrier
>>>> 
>>>> Awesome, what are your thoughts so far. I would have probably had mine 
>>>> yesterday if I had signed the e signature in time. When I talked to the 
>>>> rep after setting up the pre-order she told me the twenty second would be 
>>>> the date I would receive it, but When I got the signature done the next 
>>>> day, I got the 30th of October. I need to see about my phone today so 
>>>> might see if I can just pick one up in the store.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/23/17, GS <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I received my Series 3 watch ordered through T-Mobile yesterday. I 
>>>>> also got the three months free LTE. I ordered via telephone at a 
>>>>> little after 12:00 Pacific Time on the first day of preorders.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:47 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from 
>>>>> my carrier
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm surprised you are only getting the watches in late October, it 
>>>>> sounds to me like on some of the Podcasts people are already about to 
>>>>> receive them and I'm pretty sure they said they were the cellular model.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:23 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from 
>>>>> my carrier
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, that was  pretty much it. It was a really good video by someone 
>>>>> comparing the various series 3 models with very good explanations of 
>>>>> their differences, including some I wasn't aware of.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:13 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from 
>>>>> my carrier
>>>>> 
>>>>> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube 
>>>

Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[TaraPrakash]

t;> 
>>> I enjoy the ability to get the seconds of time rather than just the minute. 
>>> Fantastical has a quite nice interface, as does Mail. I am looking forward 
>>> to experimenting with Downcast and many other apps.
>>> 
>>> I have never liked talking to my phone but have realized that I need to get 
>>> past that and will endeavor to do so in order to take advantage of the 
>>> features of the watch.
>>> 
>>> I am still an infant with regard to the Apple Watch but am happy with my 
>>> experience thus far.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:34 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my 
>>> carrier
>>> 
>>> Awesome, what are your thoughts so far. I would have probably had mine 
>>> yesterday if I had signed the e signature in time. When I talked to the rep 
>>> after setting up the pre-order she told me the twenty second would be the 
>>> date I would receive it, but When I got the signature done the next day, I 
>>> got the 30th of October. I need to see about my phone today so might see if 
>>> I can just pick one up in the store.
>>> 
>>>> On 9/23/17, GS <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I received my Series 3 watch ordered through T-Mobile yesterday. I 
>>>> also got the three months free LTE. I ordered via telephone at a 
>>>> little after 12:00 Pacific Time on the first day of preorders.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:47 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from 
>>>> my carrier
>>>> 
>>>> I'm surprised you are only getting the watches in late October, it 
>>>> sounds to me like on some of the Podcasts people are already about to 
>>>> receive them and I'm pretty sure they said they were the cellular model.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:23 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from 
>>>> my carrier
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, that was  pretty much it. It was a really good video by someone 
>>>> comparing the various series 3 models with very good explanations of 
>>>> their differences, including some I wasn't aware of.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:13 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from 
>>>> my carrier
>>>> 
>>>> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube 
>>>> stuff on the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did 
>>>> you search on, probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience 
>>>>> when calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would 
>>>>> get the 3 month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since 
>>>>> the rep was not able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if 
>>>>> they would have them in stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store 
>>>>> app along with AppleCare and just forget about the $30 savings on the 
>>>>> data account.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm 
>>>>> kind of on the fence now

Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

No, you can't. You don't insert any Sim into any of these watches. It has 
something inside built-in. So you need your phone and your phone number. So 
presumably, if you switched to a different carrier, all you would have to do is 
repair the watch with the phone. I'm not sure about that, but I don't see why 
that wouldn't work. It's one-size-fits-all as far as the wach  goes.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:59 PM, TaraPrakash <taraprak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know if there will be an unlocked version of the watch? 
> 
> Can I insert a no contract Sim card  to work with the watch without a phone ? 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:21 PM, GS <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I did the signature while I was on the phone making the order. 
>> However, I had to close my mail client and restart it because the email was 
>> not pushing and wouldn't submit to an attempted pull. The T-Mobile 
>> representative was insistent that we complete it at that time and I was not 
>> prepared to argue with her because I too wanted to get the order completed 
>> to insure I would get the watch as soon as possible.
>> 
>> I do not have much personal experience with using the Apple Watch prior to 
>> receiving this one so I may not be a good person to say how it differs from 
>> the Series 2. I can tell you that I am getting acquainted with it and it 
>> seems to work very well. I have to keep reminding myself that it is not an 
>> iOS device in a smaller box and it is not going to allow me to do everything 
>> I can do on the iPhone. It is fairly responsive compared to what I have 
>> heard about the Series 2. I have heard some demos of the Series 2 and 
>> decided to wait for a faster processor before spending money on it.
>> 
>> The Series 3 seems to take about 70 seconds to boot. Most of the apps load 
>> within a reasonable amount of time. VO is fairly snappy when using it with 
>> the watch speaker. As with iOS, when using VO with blue tooth headphones can 
>> be laggy.
>> 
>> I was able to get the LTE setup with no difficulty and it connected fairly 
>> quickly (within a couple of minutes) the first time I tried it. The battery 
>> has been surprisingly good so far but I will reserve final judgment since 
>> I've only been using it for a little more than 24 hours and that mostly 
>> connected via the iPhone.
>> 
>> I don't mind the way Siri works on the watch. I like reading the screen 
>> better than chatting back and forth with an assistant anyway. Today I asked 
>> Siri "What is the nearest cycling store" and got a single result with all 
>> relevant information including phone number and address.
>> 
>> I am learning about complications and faces and am still in the process of 
>> determining how I want to organize the watch for maximum efficiency. I am 
>> evaluating apps to figure out which ones really work and which are gimmicks. 
>> For instance, I was hoping to be able to use the Starbucks app to make an 
>> order via the watch but that is not possible. On the other hand, the 
>> Chipotle app will allow one to complete a new order from a past order.
>> 
>> I love how the Messages app works but am disappointed that I can't seem to 
>> work out what is causing Twitterrific not to work at all. I am not too 
>> concerned with that because one of the things I want to do with Twitter is 
>> view timelines and Twitterrific will not do that.
>> 
>> I am disappointed that there is not a Spotify app but I now have the 
>> pleasure of a subscription to Apple Music again. I speculated that Apple 
>> decided to hold its watch users hostage to its own music offering and may 
>> not be allowing there to be a Spotify app but I do not know that to be true. 
>> So I will pay for both services for the time being.
>> 
>> I am disappointed with the functionality of the TuneIn app not streaming 
>> directly to the watch as I use it a lot.
>> 
>> I enjoy the ability to get the seconds of time rather than just the minute. 
>> Fantastical has a quite nice interface, as does Mail. I am looking forward 
>> to experimenting with Downcast and many other apps.
>> 
>> I have never liked talking to my phone but have realized that I need to get 
>> past that and will endeavor to do so in order to take advantage of the 
>> features of the watch.
>> 
>> I am still an infant with regard to the Apple Watch but am happy with my 
>> experience thus far.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@google

Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[TaraPrakash]

Does anybody know if there will be an unlocked version of the watch? 

Can I insert a no contract Sim card  to work with the watch without a phone ? 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:21 PM, GS <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I did the signature while I was on the phone making the order. However, 
> I had to close my mail client and restart it because the email was not 
> pushing and wouldn't submit to an attempted pull. The T-Mobile representative 
> was insistent that we complete it at that time and I was not prepared to 
> argue with her because I too wanted to get the order completed to insure I 
> would get the watch as soon as possible.
> 
> I do not have much personal experience with using the Apple Watch prior to 
> receiving this one so I may not be a good person to say how it differs from 
> the Series 2. I can tell you that I am getting acquainted with it and it 
> seems to work very well. I have to keep reminding myself that it is not an 
> iOS device in a smaller box and it is not going to allow me to do everything 
> I can do on the iPhone. It is fairly responsive compared to what I have heard 
> about the Series 2. I have heard some demos of the Series 2 and decided to 
> wait for a faster processor before spending money on it.
> 
> The Series 3 seems to take about 70 seconds to boot. Most of the apps load 
> within a reasonable amount of time. VO is fairly snappy when using it with 
> the watch speaker. As with iOS, when using VO with blue tooth headphones can 
> be laggy.
> 
> I was able to get the LTE setup with no difficulty and it connected fairly 
> quickly (within a couple of minutes) the first time I tried it. The battery 
> has been surprisingly good so far but I will reserve final judgment since 
> I've only been using it for a little more than 24 hours and that mostly 
> connected via the iPhone.
> 
> I don't mind the way Siri works on the watch. I like reading the screen 
> better than chatting back and forth with an assistant anyway. Today I asked 
> Siri "What is the nearest cycling store" and got a single result with all 
> relevant information including phone number and address.
> 
> I am learning about complications and faces and am still in the process of 
> determining how I want to organize the watch for maximum efficiency. I am 
> evaluating apps to figure out which ones really work and which are gimmicks. 
> For instance, I was hoping to be able to use the Starbucks app to make an 
> order via the watch but that is not possible. On the other hand, the Chipotle 
> app will allow one to complete a new order from a past order.
> 
> I love how the Messages app works but am disappointed that I can't seem to 
> work out what is causing Twitterrific not to work at all. I am not too 
> concerned with that because one of the things I want to do with Twitter is 
> view timelines and Twitterrific will not do that.
> 
> I am disappointed that there is not a Spotify app but I now have the pleasure 
> of a subscription to Apple Music again. I speculated that Apple decided to 
> hold its watch users hostage to its own music offering and may not be 
> allowing there to be a Spotify app but I do not know that to be true. So I 
> will pay for both services for the time being.
> 
> I am disappointed with the functionality of the TuneIn app not streaming 
> directly to the watch as I use it a lot.
> 
> I enjoy the ability to get the seconds of time rather than just the minute. 
> Fantastical has a quite nice interface, as does Mail. I am looking forward to 
> experimenting with Downcast and many other apps.
> 
> I have never liked talking to my phone but have realized that I need to get 
> past that and will endeavor to do so in order to take advantage of the 
> features of the watch.
> 
> I am still an infant with regard to the Apple Watch but am happy with my 
> experience thus far.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my 
> carrier
> 
> Awesome, what are your thoughts so far. I would have probably had mine 
> yesterday if I had signed the e signature in time. When I talked to the rep 
> after setting up the pre-order she told me the twenty second would be the 
> date I would receive it, but When I got the signature done the next day, I 
> got the 30th of October. I need to see about my phone today so might see if I 
> can just pick one up in the store.
> 
>> On 9/23/17, GS <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I received my Series 3 watch orde

RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[GS]

Well, I did the signature while I was on the phone making the order. However, I 
had to close my mail client and restart it because the email was not pushing 
and wouldn't submit to an attempted pull. The T-Mobile representative was 
insistent that we complete it at that time and I was not prepared to argue with 
her because I too wanted to get the order completed to insure I would get the 
watch as soon as possible.

I do not have much personal experience with using the Apple Watch prior to 
receiving this one so I may not be a good person to say how it differs from the 
Series 2. I can tell you that I am getting acquainted with it and it seems to 
work very well. I have to keep reminding myself that it is not an iOS device in 
a smaller box and it is not going to allow me to do everything I can do on the 
iPhone. It is fairly responsive compared to what I have heard about the Series 
2. I have heard some demos of the Series 2 and decided to wait for a faster 
processor before spending money on it.

The Series 3 seems to take about 70 seconds to boot. Most of the apps load 
within a reasonable amount of time. VO is fairly snappy when using it with the 
watch speaker. As with iOS, when using VO with blue tooth headphones can be 
laggy.

I was able to get the LTE setup with no difficulty and it connected fairly 
quickly (within a couple of minutes) the first time I tried it. The battery has 
been surprisingly good so far but I will reserve final judgment since I've only 
been using it for a little more than 24 hours and that mostly connected via the 
iPhone.

I don't mind the way Siri works on the watch. I like reading the screen better 
than chatting back and forth with an assistant anyway. Today I asked Siri "What 
is the nearest cycling store" and got a single result with all relevant 
information including phone number and address.

I am learning about complications and faces and am still in the process of 
determining how I want to organize the watch for maximum efficiency. I am 
evaluating apps to figure out which ones really work and which are gimmicks. 
For instance, I was hoping to be able to use the Starbucks app to make an order 
via the watch but that is not possible. On the other hand, the Chipotle app 
will allow one to complete a new order from a past order.

I love how the Messages app works but am disappointed that I can't seem to work 
out what is causing Twitterrific not to work at all. I am not too concerned 
with that because one of the things I want to do with Twitter is view timelines 
and Twitterrific will not do that.

I am disappointed that there is not a Spotify app but I now have the pleasure 
of a subscription to Apple Music again. I speculated that Apple decided to hold 
its watch users hostage to its own music offering and may not be allowing there 
to be a Spotify app but I do not know that to be true. So I will pay for both 
services for the time being.

I am disappointed with the functionality of the TuneIn app not streaming 
directly to the watch as I use it a lot.

I enjoy the ability to get the seconds of time rather than just the minute. 
Fantastical has a quite nice interface, as does Mail. I am looking forward to 
experimenting with Downcast and many other apps.

I have never liked talking to my phone but have realized that I need to get 
past that and will endeavor to do so in order to take advantage of the features 
of the watch.

I am still an infant with regard to the Apple Watch but am happy with my 
experience thus far.




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Awesome, what are your thoughts so far. I would have probably had mine 
yesterday if I had signed the e signature in time. When I talked to the rep 
after setting up the pre-order she told me the twenty second would be the date 
I would receive it, but When I got the signature done the next day, I got the 
30th of October. I need to see about my phone today so might see if I can just 
pick one up in the store.

On 9/23/17, GS <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I received my Series 3 watch ordered through T-Mobile yesterday. I 
> also got the three months free LTE. I ordered via telephone at a 
> little after 12:00 Pacific Time on the first day of preorders.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from 
> my carrier
>
> I'm surprised you are only getting the watches in late October, it 
> sounds to me like on some of the Podcasts people are already about to 
>

Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[lenron brown]

Awesome, what are your thoughts so far. I would have probably had mine
yesterday if I had signed the e signature in time. When I talked to
the rep after setting up the pre-order she told me the twenty second
would be the date I would receive it, but When I got the signature
done the next day, I got the 30th of October. I need to see about my
phone today so might see if I can just pick one up in the store.

On 9/23/17, GS <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I received my Series 3 watch ordered through T-Mobile yesterday. I also got
> the three months free LTE. I ordered via telephone at a little after 12:00
> Pacific Time on the first day of preorders.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my
> carrier
>
> I'm surprised you are only getting the watches in late October, it sounds to
> me like on some of the Podcasts people are already about to receive them and
> I'm pretty sure they said they were the cellular model.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Rick Alfaro
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my
> carrier
>
> Yes, that was  pretty much it. It was a really good video by someone
> comparing the various series 3 models with very good explanations of their
> differences, including some I wasn't aware of.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my
> carrier
>
> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff
> on the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search
> on, probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when
>> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3
>> month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not
>> able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them
>> in stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare
>> and just forget about the $30 savings on the data account.
>>
>> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of
>> on the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the
>> GPS only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery
>> life when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I
>> expected a hit but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the
>> non-cellular model.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
>> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my
>> carrier
>>
>> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so
>> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through
>> T-Mobile, or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering
>> straight from Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I
>> called T-Mobile today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of
>> those folks overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She told
>> me one thing and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I
>> guess I will call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through
>> Apple and get AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the three
>> month free trial at Cetera. And there might be other advantages. Has
>> anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do you understand any
>> differences between going that way or going through your carrier? I hope
>> when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had pretty good
>> luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those overseas
>> people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data plan, and I
>

RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[GS]

I received my Series 3 watch ordered through T-Mobile yesterday. I also got the 
three months free LTE. I ordered via telephone at a little after 12:00 Pacific 
Time on the first day of preorders.





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

I'm surprised you are only getting the watches in late October, it sounds to me 
like on some of the Podcasts people are already about to receive them and I'm 
pretty sure they said they were the cellular model.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Yes, that was  pretty much it. It was a really good video by someone comparing 
the various series 3 models with very good explanations of their differences, 
including some I wasn't aware of.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff on 
the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search on, 
probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 month 
> free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not able to 
> tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in stock, I 
> chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and just forget 
> about the $30 savings on the data account.
> 
> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
> the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS 
> only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life 
> when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a hit 
> but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular model.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[lenron brown]

Must agree wishing you the best with your new series 3. For me
personally if I wasn't getting the lte version, I could save a couple
hundred and get a series 2. People are selling them on Ebay anywhere
from 200 to 300 for the normal models and I am sure that price will
drop a bit.

On 9/20/17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, good luck with it.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that was  pretty much it. It was a really good video by someone
>> comparing the various series 3 models with very good explanations of their
>> differences, including some I wasn't aware of.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:13 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my
>> carrier
>>
>> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff
>> on the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search
>> on, probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when
>>> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3
>>> month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not
>>> able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them
>>> in stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare
>>> and just forget about the $30 savings on the data account.
>>>
>>> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of
>>> on the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the
>>> GPS only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on
>>> battery life when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time.
>>> I expected a hit but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for
>>> the non-cellular model.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
>>> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my
>>> carrier
>>>
>>> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so
>>> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through
>>> T-Mobile, or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering
>>> straight from Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone.
>>> I called T-Mobile today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of
>>> those folks overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She
>>> told me one thing and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up
>>> and I guess I will call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it
>>> through Apple and get AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the
>>> three month free trial at Cetera. And there might be other advantages.
>>> Has anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do you understand
>>> any differences between going that way or going through your carrier? I
>>> hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had pretty
>>> good luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those
>>> overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data
>>> plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United States,
>>> thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support
>>> folks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I'm surprised you are only getting the watches in late October, it sounds to me 
like on some of the Podcasts people are already about to receive them and I'm 
pretty sure they said they were the cellular model.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Yes, that was  pretty much it. It was a really good video by someone comparing 
the various series 3 models with very good explanations of their differences, 
including some I wasn't aware of.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff on 
the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search on, 
probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 month 
> free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not able to 
> tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in stock, I 
> chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and just forget 
> about the $30 savings on the data account.
> 
> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
> the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS 
> only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life 
> when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a hit 
> but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular model.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

Well, good luck with it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that was  pretty much it. It was a really good video by someone 
> comparing the various series 3 models with very good explanations of their 
> differences, including some I wasn't aware of.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my 
> carrier
> 
> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff on 
> the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search on, 
> probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
>> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 
>> month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not 
>> able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in 
>> stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and 
>> just forget about the $30 savings on the data account.
>> 
>> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
>> the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS 
>> only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life 
>> when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a 
>> hit but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular 
>> model.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
>> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
>> 
>> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
>> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
>> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
>> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
>> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks 
>> overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing 
>> and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will 
>> call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get 
>> AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at 
>> Cetera. And there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch 
>> straight from Apple? And do you understand any differences between going 
>> that way or going through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow 
>> I get somebody in the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last 
>> week, I got another one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed 
>> up an order changing my data plan, and I had to call back and get 
>> tech-support from the United States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was 
>> getting rid of their overseas support folks. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Rick Alfaro]

Yes, that was  pretty much it. It was a really good video by someone comparing 
the various series 3 models with very good explanations of their differences, 
including some I wasn't aware of.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff on 
the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search on, 
probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 month 
> free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not able to 
> tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in stock, I 
> chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and just forget 
> about the $30 savings on the data account.
> 
> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
> the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS 
> only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life 
> when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a hit 
> but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular model.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Rick Alfaro]

I called Apple and changed my order to the non-cellular model. The more I 
thought about it the more I decided I really didn't need cellular at all on my 
watch since my phone is always with me. When I changed the order, I save a nice 
chunk of money and my ship date got moved up from late October to sept. 25 - 
oct 3.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Well, I wouldn't anticipate using mine that much to talk, actually talk. I 
assume that this is active talk time. So if you were just out and about and 
wearing the watch without your phone, and you don't talk on it very much, but 
maybe check a few notifications or do some other stuff here and there. What 
would it be like then I wonder. I called my local store today, and they also 
told me that the only way to get the three month free trial was to go through 
them. That also puts the watch on your monthly bill, and I don't know if that 
raises the price at all. I also I'm not sure about getting Apple care if you 
get it through T-Mobile. Last I heard, T-Mobile was saying delivery sometime 
later in October, which I think corresponds to what Apple was saying.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 month 
> free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not able to 
> tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in stock, I 
> chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and just forget 
> about the $30 savings on the data account.
> 
> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
> the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS 
> only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life 
> when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a hit 
> but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular model.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
> 
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Larry. I think I will just go ahead and get it from Apple.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> Mary. I got the information from 2 T-mobile reps, and an apple rep. From what 
> I was told, it is actually apple who is giving the 3 free months.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Larry, I'm curious if you got that info from one of their representatives or 
>> from a local store. It's interesting that in this case, the T-Mobile 
>> left-hand does not know what the T-Mobile right hand is doing apparently. 
>> How bizarre! This reminds me more of Verizon than my previous T-Mobile 
>> experience.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I ordered the apple watch 3 from apple. I was told by apple that I would be 
>>> eligible for the 3 free months of data. I also spoke with T-mobile, my 
>>> carrier, they also said that I would get the 3 months.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff 
 on the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search 
 on, probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 
> month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not 
> able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them 
> in stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare 
> and just forget about the $30 savings on the data account.
> 
> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of 
> on the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the 
> GPS only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on 
> battery life when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. 
> I expected a hit but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for 
> the non-cellular model.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my 
> carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through 
> T-Mobile, or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering 
> straight from Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. 
> I called T-Mobile today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of 
> those folks overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She 
> told me one thing and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up 
> and I guess I will call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it 
> through Apple and get AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the 
> three month free trial at Cetera. And there might be other advantages. 
> Has anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do you understand 
> any differences between going that way or going through your carrier? I 
> hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had pretty 
> good luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those 
> overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data 
> plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United States, 
> thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support 
> folks. 
> 
> 
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Larry Smith]

Mary. I got the information from 2 T-mobile reps, and an apple rep. From what I 
was told, it is actually apple who is giving the 3 free months.

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I'm curious if you got that info from one of their representatives or 
> from a local store. It's interesting that in this case, the T-Mobile 
> left-hand does not know what the T-Mobile right hand is doing apparently. How 
> bizarre! This reminds me more of Verizon than my previous T-Mobile experience.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> I ordered the apple watch 3 from apple. I was told by apple that I would be 
>> eligible for the 3 free months of data. I also spoke with T-mobile, my 
>> carrier, they also said that I would get the 3 months.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff 
>>> on the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search 
>>> on, probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
 
 Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
 calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 
 month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not 
 able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them 
 in stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare 
 and just forget about the $30 savings on the data account.
 
 I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of 
 on the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the 
 GPS only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery 
 life when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I 
 expected a hit but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the 
 non-cellular model.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my 
 carrier
 
 I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
 maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through 
 T-Mobile, or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering 
 straight from Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I 
 called T-Mobile today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of 
 those folks overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She told 
 me one thing and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I 
 guess I will call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through 
 Apple and get AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the three 
 month free trial at Cetera. And there might be other advantages. Has 
 anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do you understand any 
 differences between going that way or going through your carrier? I hope 
 when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had pretty good 
 luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those overseas 
 people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data plan, and I 
 had to call back and get tech-support from the United States, thank God. I 
 thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support folks. 
 
 
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

Larry, I'm curious if you got that info from one of their representatives or 
from a local store. It's interesting that in this case, the T-Mobile left-hand 
does not know what the T-Mobile right hand is doing apparently. How bizarre! 
This reminds me more of Verizon than my previous T-Mobile experience.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> I ordered the apple watch 3 from apple. I was told by apple that I would be 
> eligible for the 3 free months of data. I also spoke with T-mobile, my 
> carrier, they also said that I would get the 3 months.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff 
>> on the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search 
>> on, probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
>>> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 
>>> month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not 
>>> able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in 
>>> stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and 
>>> just forget about the $30 savings on the data account.
>>> 
>>> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of 
>>> on the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the 
>>> GPS only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery 
>>> life when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I 
>>> expected a hit but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the 
>>> non-cellular model.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
>>> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
>>> 
>>> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
>>> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through 
>>> T-Mobile, or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering 
>>> straight from Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I 
>>> called T-Mobile today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of 
>>> those folks overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She told 
>>> me one thing and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I 
>>> guess I will call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through 
>>> Apple and get AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the three 
>>> month free trial at Cetera. And there might be other advantages. Has anyone 
>>> ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do you understand any 
>>> differences between going that way or going through your carrier? I hope 
>>> when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had pretty good 
>>> luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those overseas 
>>> people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data plan, and I 
>>> had to call back and get tech-support from the United States, thank God. I 
>>> thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support folks. 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Larry Smith]

I ordered the apple watch 3 from apple. I was told by apple that I would be 
eligible for the 3 free months of data. I also spoke with T-mobile, my carrier, 
they also said that I would get the 3 months.

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff on 
> the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search on, 
> probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
>> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 
>> month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not 
>> able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in 
>> stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and 
>> just forget about the $30 savings on the data account.
>> 
>> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
>> the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS 
>> only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life 
>> when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a 
>> hit but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular 
>> model.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
>> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
>> 
>> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
>> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
>> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
>> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
>> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks 
>> overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing 
>> and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will 
>> call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get 
>> AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at 
>> Cetera. And there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch 
>> straight from Apple? And do you understand any differences between going 
>> that way or going through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow 
>> I get somebody in the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last 
>> week, I got another one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed 
>> up an order changing my data plan, and I had to call back and get 
>> tech-support from the United States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was 
>> getting rid of their overseas support folks. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[lenron brown]

Late october is what I was told as well, I wasn't looking to talk on
the watch so much besides I am going to cut apple some slack this is
version one of the lte model. Next year will be a new model.

On 9/18/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff
> on the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search
> on, probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>>
>> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when
>> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3
>> month free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not
>> able to tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them
>> in stock, I chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare
>> and just forget about the $30 savings on the data account.
>>
>> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of
>> on the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the
>> GPS only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery
>> life when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I
>> expected a hit but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the
>> non-cellular model.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
>> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my
>> carrier
>>
>> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so
>> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through
>> T-Mobile, or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering
>> straight from Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I
>> called T-Mobile today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of
>> those folks overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She told
>> me one thing and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I
>> guess I will call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through
>> Apple and get AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the three
>> month free trial at Cetera. And there might be other advantages. Has
>> anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do you understand any
>> differences between going that way or going through your carrier? I hope
>> when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had pretty good
>> luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those overseas
>> people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data plan, and I
>> had to call back and get tech-support from the United States, thank God. I
>> thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support folks.
>>
>>
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

Should've asked in my previous message, how did you find the YouTube stuff on 
the series 3 with cellular, since it's not out yet? What did you search on, 
probably the obvious, Apple Watch Series 3?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 month 
> free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not able to 
> tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in stock, I 
> chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and just forget 
> about the $30 savings on the data account.
> 
> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
> the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS 
> only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life 
> when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a hit 
> but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular model.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
> 
> 
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

Well, I wouldn't anticipate using mine that much to talk, actually talk. I 
assume that this is active talk time. So if you were just out and about and 
wearing the watch without your phone, and you don't talk on it very much, but 
maybe check a few notifications or do some other stuff here and there. What 
would it be like then I wonder. I called my local store today, and they also 
told me that the only way to get the three month free trial was to go through 
them. That also puts the watch on your monthly bill, and I don't know if that 
raises the price at all. I also I'm not sure about getting Apple care if you 
get it through T-Mobile. Last I heard, T-Mobile was saying delivery sometime 
later in October, which I think corresponds to what Apple was saying.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
> calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 month 
> free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not able to 
> tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in stock, I 
> chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and just forget 
> about the $30 savings on the data account.
> 
> I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
> the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS 
> only model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life 
> when used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a hit 
> but not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular model.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
> 
> 
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RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Rick Alfaro]

Mary, I had the same question and unfortunately the same experience when 
calling TMobile. The last CSR I spoke to told me that I would get the 3 month 
free offer only if I ordered through TMobile. Since the rep was not able to 
tell me if there was a long wait or even if they would have them in stock, I 
chose to order via the Apple Store app along with AppleCare and just forget 
about the $30 savings on the data account.

I've been listening to some YouTube on the Series 3 watch, so I'm kind of on 
the fence now with keeping the cellular model or returning it for the GPS only 
model. Apparently, the cellular model takes a huge hit on battery life when 
used as a cell phone only lasting an hour of talk time. I expected a hit but 
not that bad. I may just decide to exchange it for the non-cellular model.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:38 PM
To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so maybe. 
I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, or if 
there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from Apple. 
Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile today, 
which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, and we 
clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then seem to 
contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them again 
tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, but I want 
to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And there might 
be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do 
you understand any differences between going that way or going through your 
carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had 
pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those 
overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data plan, 
and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United States, thank God. 
I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support folks. 


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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

The fact that their native language that they speak, whatever it is, is better 
than mine, is totally irrelevant. I don't live there, I don't need the language 
they speak. I need them to speak the language I speak. And if they can't, there 
is a problem. That's all I'm saying. I certainly would not be able to do that 
job in a second language except for perhaps Russian, and we don't have any call 
centers in Russia. Go figure so I will never get a chance to make some Russian 
call center representatives life easier by using their language instead of mine.
Mary


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> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That and I would venture to guess that their English is better than anyone's  
> Tagalog or Spanish or Hindi who may be calling in. I work in the interpreting 
> field and can attest as to how being able to dominate a second language to 
> the point where you can find and hold down gainful employment and even more 
> so  in such a specialized field to be no small achievement.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my 
> carrier
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Have you tried ordering from Apple to see if at some point during the process 
> it will ask you to pick a carrier? No harm in giving it a try, you can always 
> stop before finalizing the order.
> As for overseas support, no company will get rid of it because here in North 
> America they have to pay their support agents 10 times as much. Having said 
> this I would like to defend the overseas support agents, first of all, they 
> can only be as good as the training they get and secondly I have had some of 
> them who were awesome and I have dealt with north american based support 
> where they had no clue, either. Apple is one such example, the few times I 
> called Apple Accessible it was pretty good, but I have called the general 
> sales line and dealt with people who were in the US who had absolutely no 
> clue whatsoever what I or they for that matter were talking about.
> My wife is from the Philippines and her sister works for a call centre now 
> and over there that is almost akin to being a lawyer or doctor here, if you 
> end up working at a factory 6 days a week for $8 a day assemblind the items 
> we all want cheap it's a lot worse, my wife has done it when she was younger 
> so I do know a bit what I am talking about and hopefully you all keep this in 
> mind the next time before you feel like giving one of these people a hard 
> time; it's not their fault they were born there or that our wealthy 
> corporations go there for cheap labour so our welathy society can buy a $20 
> bluetooth headset on Amazon.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
> 
> 
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[lenron brown]

I called a couple times just to check my order was right even though
on the T-mobile page it was. I am not buying my device out right
though. Going to pay the 45 down plus the sales tax. Then pay the
watch off in 3 or so months. Maybe get apple on the phone if you can't
get threw to T-Mobile.

On 9/17/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> My problem isn't with where you live, it's when you can't communicate well
> enough with someone who doesn't speak your language, which I don't, so that
> the communications just don't get where they need to be. And no, you don't
> pick a carrier when you do the ordering process with Apple. I got all the
> way to having the stuff in my shopping bag, so that the next step would've
> been to pay. So no carrier selection. I should add that I was not rude or
> nasty to the representative. We just were not communicating. She seemed to
> say one thing, and then when I would repeat back what I understood her 12
> said, the story changed and changed back. So, I think we have a language
> issue, something that I have not experienced with US based representatives.
> That isn't to say that they're all geniuses. I'm not a genius. But I do like
> to be able to have a good feeling that the communications between me and the
> representative have been 100% clear. That doesn't mean you can't get wrong
> info, it just takes the language issue out of the equation.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mary,
>>
>> Have you tried ordering from Apple to see if at some point during the
>> process it will ask you to pick a carrier? No harm in giving it a try, you
>> can always stop before finalizing the order.
>> As for overseas support, no company will get rid of it because here in
>> North America they have to pay their support agents 10 times as much.
>> Having said this I would like to defend the overseas support agents, first
>> of all, they can only be as good as the training they get and secondly I
>> have had some of them who were awesome and I have dealt with north
>> american based support where they had no clue, either. Apple is one such
>> example, the few times I called Apple Accessible it was pretty good, but I
>> have called the general sales line and dealt with people who were in the
>> US who had absolutely no clue whatsoever what I or they for that matter
>> were talking about.
>> My wife is from the Philippines and her sister works for a call centre now
>> and over there that is almost akin to being a lawyer or doctor here, if
>> you end up working at a factory 6 days a week for $8 a day assemblind the
>> items we all want cheap it's a lot worse, my wife has done it when she was
>> younger so I do know a bit what I am talking about and hopefully you all
>> keep this in mind the next time before you feel like giving one of these
>> people a hard time; it's not their fault they were born there or that our
>> wealthy corporations go there for cheap labour so our welathy society can
>> buy a $20 bluetooth headset on Amazon.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:38 PM
>> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my
>> carrier
>>
>> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so
>> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through
>> T-Mobile, or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering
>> straight from Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I
>> called T-Mobile today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of
>> those folks overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She told
>> me one thing and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I
>> guess I will call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through
>> Apple and get AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the three
>> month free trial at Cetera. And there might be other advantages. Has
>> anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do you understand any
>> differences between going that way or going through your carrier? I hope
>> when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had pretty good
>> luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those overseas
>> people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data plan, and I
>> had to call back and get tech-support from the United States, thank God. I
>> thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support folks.
>>
>>
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RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Cristóbal]

That and I would venture to guess that their English is better than anyone's  
Tagalog or Spanish or Hindi who may be calling in. I work in the interpreting 
field and can attest as to how being able to dominate a second language to the 
point where you can find and hold down gainful employment and even more so  in 
such a specialized field to be no small achievement.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

Hi Mary,

Have you tried ordering from Apple to see if at some point during the process 
it will ask you to pick a carrier? No harm in giving it a try, you can always 
stop before finalizing the order.
As for overseas support, no company will get rid of it because here in North 
America they have to pay their support agents 10 times as much. Having said 
this I would like to defend the overseas support agents, first of all, they can 
only be as good as the training they get and secondly I have had some of them 
who were awesome and I have dealt with north american based support where they 
had no clue, either. Apple is one such example, the few times I called Apple 
Accessible it was pretty good, but I have called the general sales line and 
dealt with people who were in the US who had absolutely no clue whatsoever what 
I or they for that matter were talking about.
My wife is from the Philippines and her sister works for a call centre now and 
over there that is almost akin to being a lawyer or doctor here, if you end up 
working at a factory 6 days a week for $8 a day assemblind the items we all 
want cheap it's a lot worse, my wife has done it when she was younger so I do 
know a bit what I am talking about and hopefully you all keep this in mind the 
next time before you feel like giving one of these people a hard time; it's not 
their fault they were born there or that our wealthy corporations go there for 
cheap labour so our welathy society can buy a $20 bluetooth headset on Amazon.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:38 PM
To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so maybe. 
I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, or if 
there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from Apple. 
Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile today, 
which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, and we 
clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then seem to 
contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them again 
tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, but I want 
to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And there might 
be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do 
you understand any differences between going that way or going through your 
carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had 
pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those 
overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data plan, 
and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United States, thank God. 
I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support folks. 


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

My problem isn't with where you live, it's when you can't communicate well 
enough with someone who doesn't speak your language, which I don't, so that the 
communications just don't get where they need to be. And no, you don't pick a 
carrier when you do the ordering process with Apple. I got all the way to 
having the stuff in my shopping bag, so that the next step would've been to 
pay. So no carrier selection. I should add that I was not rude or nasty to the 
representative. We just were not communicating. She seemed to say one thing, 
and then when I would repeat back what I understood her 12 said, the story 
changed and changed back. So, I think we have a language issue, something that 
I have not experienced with US based representatives. That isn't to say that 
they're all geniuses. I'm not a genius. But I do like to be able to have a good 
feeling that the communications between me and the representative have been 
100% clear. That doesn't mean you can't get wrong info, it just takes the 
language issue out of the equation.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Have you tried ordering from Apple to see if at some point during the process 
> it will ask you to pick a carrier? No harm in giving it a try, you can always 
> stop before finalizing the order.
> As for overseas support, no company will get rid of it because here in North 
> America they have to pay their support agents 10 times as much. Having said 
> this I would like to defend the overseas support agents, first of all, they 
> can only be as good as the training they get and secondly I have had some of 
> them who were awesome and I have dealt with north american based support 
> where they had no clue, either. Apple is one such example, the few times I 
> called Apple Accessible it was pretty good, but I have called the general 
> sales line and dealt with people who were in the US who had absolutely no 
> clue whatsoever what I or they for that matter were talking about.
> My wife is from the Philippines and her sister works for a call centre now 
> and over there that is almost akin to being a lawyer or doctor here, if you 
> end up working at a factory 6 days a week for $8 a day assemblind the items 
> we all want cheap it's a lot worse, my wife has done it when she was younger 
> so I do know a bit what I am talking about and hopefully you all keep this in 
> mind the next time before you feel like giving one of these people a hard 
> time; it's not their fault they were born there or that our wealthy 
> corporations go there for cheap labour so our welathy society can buy a $20 
> bluetooth headset on Amazon.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:38 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
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RE: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

Have you tried ordering from Apple to see if at some point during the process 
it will ask you to pick a carrier? No harm in giving it a try, you can always 
stop before finalizing the order.
As for overseas support, no company will get rid of it because here in North 
America they have to pay their support agents 10 times as much. Having said 
this I would like to defend the overseas support agents, first of all, they can 
only be as good as the training they get and secondly I have had some of them 
who were awesome and I have dealt with north american based support where they 
had no clue, either. Apple is one such example, the few times I called Apple 
Accessible it was pretty good, but I have called the general sales line and 
dealt with people who were in the US who had absolutely no clue whatsoever what 
I or they for that matter were talking about.
My wife is from the Philippines and her sister works for a call centre now and 
over there that is almost akin to being a lawyer or doctor here, if you end up 
working at a factory 6 days a week for $8 a day assemblind the items we all 
want cheap it's a lot worse, my wife has done it when she was younger so I do 
know a bit what I am talking about and hopefully you all keep this in mind the 
next time before you feel like giving one of these people a hard time; it's not 
their fault they were born there or that our wealthy corporations go there for 
cheap labour so our welathy society can buy a $20 bluetooth headset on Amazon.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:38 PM
To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so maybe. 
I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, or if 
there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from Apple. 
Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile today, 
which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, and we 
clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then seem to 
contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them again 
tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, but I want 
to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And there might 
be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from Apple? And do 
you understand any differences between going that way or going through your 
carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in the US. I had 
pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another one of those 
overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing my data plan, 
and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United States, thank God. 
I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas support folks. 


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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Anna. I've heard a couple of people talking about problems they're 
having with the iOS 11 beta, so since I didn't participate in that cycle, and 
have no first-hand experience, I will probably wait a couple of days to hear 
about the bugs and then decide if I want to order a Watch or just wait. I know 
I have to have iOS 11 to use this new watch. I really like the idea of being 
able to leave my phone at home, but depending on what the issues are with iOS 
11, an immediate upgrade might not be in my future. So maybe it's a good thing 
I'm having a problem with that email. Thanks again.
Mary


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> On Sep 17, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> AT had no clue about the watches when I called last week to ask about their 
> plan, so I ordered from Apple. I wasn't asked to pick a carrier during the 
> ordering process, so I guess whatever linking of my watch to my mobile 
> account and phone will need to be done once the watch gets here. So I don't 
> see any advantage in ordering from the carrier.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
>> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
>> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
>> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
>> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks 
>> overseas, and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing 
>> and then seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will 
>> call them again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get 
>> AppleCare, but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at 
>> Cetera. And there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch 
>> straight from Apple? And do you understand any differences between going 
>> that way or going through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow 
>> I get somebody in the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last 
>> week, I got another one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed 
>> up an order changing my data plan, and I had to call back and get 
>> tech-support from the United States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was 
>> getting rid of their overseas support folks. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Confused about ordering the watch from Apple versus from my carrier

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Mary,

AT had no clue about the watches when I called last week to ask about their 
plan, so I ordered from Apple. I wasn't asked to pick a carrier during the 
ordering process, so I guess whatever linking of my watch to my mobile account 
and phone will need to be done once the watch gets here. So I don't see any 
advantage in ordering from the carrier.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 17, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I suppose this might not be on topic, but it is about the new watch, so 
> maybe. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have to go through T-Mobile, 
> or if there is any advantage in so doing, versus ordering straight from 
> Apple. Ordering from Apple looks easy right from my phone. I called T-Mobile 
> today, which was stupid I suppose, because I got one of those folks overseas, 
> and we clearly were not communicating well. She told me one thing and then 
> seem to contradict herself twice, so I hung up and I guess I will call them 
> again tomorrow. I would just assume do it through Apple and get AppleCare, 
> but I want to make sure I would get the three month free trial at Cetera. And 
> there might be other advantages. Has anyone ordered the watch straight from 
> Apple? And do you understand any differences between going that way or going 
> through your carrier? I hope when I call T-Mobile tomorrow I get somebody in 
> the US. I had pretty good luck with that before, but last week, I got another 
> one of those overseas people who was clueless, screwed up an order changing 
> my data plan, and I had to call back and get tech-support from the United 
> States, thank God. I thought T-Mobile was getting rid of their overseas 
> support folks. 
> 
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