Re: To upgrade or not to upgrade, that is the question?

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Thanks for that Sieghard Much appreciated, it’s happy Christmas to me from me, 
series 7 here we come.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 3 Dec 2021, at 17:43, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think if you have a series 2 an upgrade is definitely in order. My wife 
> and I initially bought series 2 watches, but especially for me with Voiceover 
> running I found the watch often extremely slow and sluggish to respond 
> especially if I was in a workout and want to Pause or Stop the workout. We 
> ended up buying series 5 watches 2 years ago and are very happy with them, 
> there is no comparison with respect to responsiveness and I think you would 
> quite like a series 7 or even a series 6 watch.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: December 3, 2021 4:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: To upgrade or not to upgrade, that is the question?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I currently have an en elderly Apple Watch series 2.  Just like it’s owner it 
> is getting rather long in the tooth.
> 
> From a VoiceOver user’s point of view what are people’s experiences when 
> updating their watches to newer models like a series 7?  Are there 
> significant advantages with newer models?  Obviously the device will receive 
> updates and new features may be added that my series 2 will never have, but 
> in terms of the here and now, what are your thoughts?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: To upgrade or not to upgrade, that is the question?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think if you have a series 2 an upgrade is definitely in order. My wife and I 
initially bought series 2 watches, but especially for me with Voiceover running 
I found the watch often extremely slow and sluggish to respond especially if I 
was in a workout and want to Pause or Stop the workout. We ended up buying 
series 5 watches 2 years ago and are very happy with them, there is no 
comparison with respect to responsiveness and I think you would quite like a 
series 7 or even a series 6 watch.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: December 3, 2021 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To upgrade or not to upgrade, that is the question?

Hello,

I currently have an en elderly Apple Watch series 2.  Just like it’s owner it 
is getting rather long in the tooth.

>From a VoiceOver user’s point of view what are people’s experiences when 
>updating their watches to newer models like a series 7?  Are there significant 
>advantages with newer models?  Obviously the device will receive updates and 
>new features may be added that my series 2 will never have, but in terms of 
>the here and now, what are your thoughts?

Thanks.

Malcolm Parfitt

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RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Exactly, I remember many years ago I think it was in the 6S and/or 6S Plus 
Apple had two suppliers of some internal chip and phones which had the one 
manufacturer's chip had I think slightly worse battery life than the other or 
something like that. Anyways, I don't think this makes any significant 
difference, but as for how this bug slipped by Apple is easy, it slipped by 
Apple in the same way as all bugs slip by which is it didn't get fixed before 
the public release of iOS 13. This was certainly reported by those who 
privately or publicly tested iOS 13 and with every iOS release such bugs 
existed sometimes they are worse than other times and why some users seem to 
experience them more than others could be simply based on how their phone is 
set up, maybe it has to do with the speech used. I actually switched back to 
Samantha Enhanced after having used the female US SIRI voice for the last 6 
weeks or so because it occurred to me I should maybe see if I have this issue 
with Samantha. So far I haven't had it, but I also only made and received 3 or 
4 or maybe 5 calls since I switched back to Samantha. But I think everybody who 
posts about this should include what voice they use.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 8:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; richr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Well, it doesn't really matter whether all iPhones are created equal or not. 
They all carry the Apple logo, and you'll never find anything anywhere from 
Apple that says only some iPhone 11's are supported and others are not. This 
may make it more difficult for Apple to track down the root cause, but the 
burden is still on Apple to ensure their software works on all supported 
devices.


On 10/13/19 10:09 AM, richr...@gmail.com wrote:
> In a way, what you seem to be implying is that Apple does not have total 
> control over its products. If that is true, that is a rather disconcerting 
> state of things. I've lost sound a number of times, and I can't imagine how 
> this bug slipped by Apple, and if Apple indeed does not control their 
> products i.e. two iPhone 11s are not the same, that is truly unfortunate!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
>
> Hello Carolyn, et al:
>
> You know, I've been puzzling over this ever since I updated my 8 Plus to the 
> latest version of iOS and purchasing an iPhone 11; both having never lost 
> VoiceOver as the result of any activity.  With the rare exception of some 
> VoiceOver display bleed-through errors, described in previous posts, I never 
> use any of my Apple devices without VoiceOver and yet, try as I may, I cannot 
> reproduce the loss-of-VoiceOver glitch with or without earphones, of any 
> type, attached.
>
> Did you know that not all iPhones are created equal?  There are several 
> different models referred to by the same device name.  Also, in the United 
> States at least, the type of carrier used can, in fact, have an impact on 
> device performance.  For example, several years ago there was a VoiceOver 
> display driver bug that only affected certain iPhones sold by certain 
> manufacturers.  Moreover, if memory serves, iPhones older than the 7 series 
> would have 1 of 2 different modems installed, based on certain factors.  My 
> point, regardless of the name used, not all iPhones are identical, in terms 
> of hardware.
>
> Again, at present, this is just a guess as Apple never admits to hardly 
> anything until it has been resolved but I suspect that those having this 
> problem, or the reverse, those like me, who are not having this problem, can 
> attribute it to the device type that is being used.
>
> For example, and again, this is just a guess so don't take issue, I make it a 
> practice to pay full price for SIM-free models of any Apple device, only.  
> The SIM-free model is one that is generally sold outside of the US but can, 
> upon request, be purchased inside the US, as well.
>
> I was told, by an Apple employee, that all iPhone 11 series phones are now 
> SIM-free unless the purchaser elects not to pay full price for the phone, up 
> front.  I do not know how true this is as I am certain that when one 
> purchases a device directly from a carrier, the device is most certainly not 
> SIM-free.
>
> While I am certain that Apple will resolve this loss-of-VoiceOver issue, the 
> fact that it even exists suggests to me that they did not or could not 
> anticipate this problem on their in-house models, said models most likely 
> being the purist of the pure where software and hardware installs are 
> concerned.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Holly]

Hi everyone:

I was wondering if the bugs in iOS 13.1.2, are more prevalent in any 
particular model of phone, I.e.  SE, iPhone 7, 8, etc.. 


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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, it doesn't really matter whether all iPhones are created equal or 
not. They all carry the Apple logo, and you'll never find anything 
anywhere from Apple that says only some iPhone 11's are supported and 
others are not. This may make it more difficult for Apple to track down 
the root cause, but the burden is still on Apple to ensure their 
software works on all supported devices.



On 10/13/19 10:09 AM, richr...@gmail.com wrote:

In a way, what you seem to be implying is that Apple does not have total 
control over its products. If that is true, that is a rather disconcerting 
state of things. I've lost sound a number of times, and I can't imagine how 
this bug slipped by Apple, and if Apple indeed does not control their products 
i.e. two iPhone 11s are not the same, that is truly unfortunate!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Hello Carolyn, et al:

You know, I've been puzzling over this ever since I updated my 8 Plus to the 
latest version of iOS and purchasing an iPhone 11; both having never lost 
VoiceOver as the result of any activity.  With the rare exception of some 
VoiceOver display bleed-through errors, described in previous posts, I never 
use any of my Apple devices without VoiceOver and yet, try as I may, I cannot 
reproduce the loss-of-VoiceOver glitch with or without earphones, of any type, 
attached.

Did you know that not all iPhones are created equal?  There are several 
different models referred to by the same device name.  Also, in the United 
States at least, the type of carrier used can, in fact, have an impact on 
device performance.  For example, several years ago there was a VoiceOver 
display driver bug that only affected certain iPhones sold by certain 
manufacturers.  Moreover, if memory serves, iPhones older than the 7 series 
would have 1 of 2 different modems installed, based on certain factors.  My 
point, regardless of the name used, not all iPhones are identical, in terms of 
hardware.

Again, at present, this is just a guess as Apple never admits to hardly 
anything until it has been resolved but I suspect that those having this 
problem, or the reverse, those like me, who are not having this problem, can 
attribute it to the device type that is being used.

For example, and again, this is just a guess so don't take issue, I make it a 
practice to pay full price for SIM-free models of any Apple device, only.  The 
SIM-free model is one that is generally sold outside of the US but can, upon 
request, be purchased inside the US, as well.

I was told, by an Apple employee, that all iPhone 11 series phones are now 
SIM-free unless the purchaser elects not to pay full price for the phone, up 
front.  I do not know how true this is as I am certain that when one purchases 
a device directly from a carrier, the device is most certainly not SIM-free.

While I am certain that Apple will resolve this loss-of-VoiceOver issue, the 
fact that it even exists suggests to me that they did not or could not 
anticipate this problem on their in-house models, said models most likely being 
the purist of the pure where software and hardware installs are concerned.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would 
not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I 
called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, 
back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for my 
model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard to 
VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, 
couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from 
happening again.

I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dani pagador
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, 
I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to 
voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be 
suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly 
press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the voicemail 
recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of the call to 
the FTC when I filed my complaint 

RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[richring]

In a way, what you seem to be implying is that Apple does not have total 
control over its products. If that is true, that is a rather disconcerting 
state of things. I've lost sound a number of times, and I can't imagine how 
this bug slipped by Apple, and if Apple indeed does not control their products 
i.e. two iPhone 11s are not the same, that is truly unfortunate!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Hello Carolyn, et al:

You know, I've been puzzling over this ever since I updated my 8 Plus to the 
latest version of iOS and purchasing an iPhone 11; both having never lost 
VoiceOver as the result of any activity.  With the rare exception of some 
VoiceOver display bleed-through errors, described in previous posts, I never 
use any of my Apple devices without VoiceOver and yet, try as I may, I cannot 
reproduce the loss-of-VoiceOver glitch with or without earphones, of any type, 
attached.

Did you know that not all iPhones are created equal?  There are several 
different models referred to by the same device name.  Also, in the United 
States at least, the type of carrier used can, in fact, have an impact on 
device performance.  For example, several years ago there was a VoiceOver 
display driver bug that only affected certain iPhones sold by certain 
manufacturers.  Moreover, if memory serves, iPhones older than the 7 series 
would have 1 of 2 different modems installed, based on certain factors.  My 
point, regardless of the name used, not all iPhones are identical, in terms of 
hardware.

Again, at present, this is just a guess as Apple never admits to hardly 
anything until it has been resolved but I suspect that those having this 
problem, or the reverse, those like me, who are not having this problem, can 
attribute it to the device type that is being used.

For example, and again, this is just a guess so don't take issue, I make it a 
practice to pay full price for SIM-free models of any Apple device, only.  The 
SIM-free model is one that is generally sold outside of the US but can, upon 
request, be purchased inside the US, as well.

I was told, by an Apple employee, that all iPhone 11 series phones are now 
SIM-free unless the purchaser elects not to pay full price for the phone, up 
front.  I do not know how true this is as I am certain that when one purchases 
a device directly from a carrier, the device is most certainly not SIM-free.

While I am certain that Apple will resolve this loss-of-VoiceOver issue, the 
fact that it even exists suggests to me that they did not or could not 
anticipate this problem on their in-house models, said models most likely being 
the purist of the pure where software and hardware installs are concerned.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would 
not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I 
called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, 
back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for my 
model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard to 
VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, 
couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from 
happening again. 

I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dani pagador
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, 
I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to 
voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be 
suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly 
press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the voicemail 
recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of the call to 
the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came in.

Yay, Apple.

Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back if it 
kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a call (without 
being plugged in), and lost speech but still had sound--I could hear the clicks 
as I swiped right and left. I grabbed my wired earbuds, plugged in, and VO was 
back.

HTH,
Dani





On 10/10/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Angie and 

Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Cristobal Munoz]

Indeed. Apple often touts accessibility as a priority which I’m not even 
disputing, but this is one of those things that highlights the fact that there 
are priorities and then there are priorities…

> On Oct 12, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Mark, please forgive my language, but what you said about Apple not being 
> able to anticipate this issue is nonsense because it's been going on 
> throughout the beta cycle and was reported by many beta testers.
> I'm happy you don't have this issue, but I think you are in the minority here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> Hello Carolyn, et al:
> 
> You know, I've been puzzling over this ever since I updated my 8 Plus to the 
> latest version of iOS and purchasing an iPhone 11; both having never lost 
> VoiceOver as the result of any activity.  With the rare exception of some 
> VoiceOver display bleed-through errors, described in previous posts, I never 
> use any of my Apple devices without VoiceOver and yet, try as I may, I cannot 
> reproduce the loss-of-VoiceOver glitch with or without earphones, of any 
> type, attached.
> 
> Did you know that not all iPhones are created equal?  There are several 
> different models referred to by the same device name.  Also, in the United 
> States at least, the type of carrier used can, in fact, have an impact on 
> device performance.  For example, several years ago there was a VoiceOver 
> display driver bug that only affected certain iPhones sold by certain 
> manufacturers.  Moreover, if memory serves, iPhones older than the 7 series 
> would have 1 of 2 different modems installed, based on certain factors.  My 
> point, regardless of the name used, not all iPhones are identical, in terms 
> of hardware.
> 
> Again, at present, this is just a guess as Apple never admits to hardly 
> anything until it has been resolved but I suspect that those having this 
> problem, or the reverse, those like me, who are not having this problem, can 
> attribute it to the device type that is being used.
> 
> For example, and again, this is just a guess so don't take issue, I make it a 
> practice to pay full price for SIM-free models of any Apple device, only.  
> The SIM-free model is one that is generally sold outside of the US but can, 
> upon request, be purchased inside the US, as well.
> 
> I was told, by an Apple employee, that all iPhone 11 series phones are now 
> SIM-free unless the purchaser elects not to pay full price for the phone, up 
> front.  I do not know how true this is as I am certain that when one 
> purchases a device directly from a carrier, the device is most certainly not 
> SIM-free.
> 
> While I am certain that Apple will resolve this loss-of-VoiceOver issue, the 
> fact that it even exists suggests to me that they did not or could not 
> anticipate this problem on their in-house models, said models most likely 
> being the purist of the pure where software and hardware installs are 
> concerned.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would 
> not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I 
> called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, 
> back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for 
> my model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard 
> to VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, 
> couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from 
> happening again. 
> 
> I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> dani pagador
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, 
> I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to 
> voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be 
> suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly 
> press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the 
> voicemail recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of 
> the call to the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came 
> in.
> 
> Yay, Apple.
> 
> Do the upgrade. 

RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Mark, please forgive my language, but what you said about Apple not being able 
to anticipate this issue is nonsense because it's been going on throughout the 
beta cycle and was reported by many beta testers.
I'm happy you don't have this issue, but I think you are in the minority here.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Hello Carolyn, et al:

You know, I've been puzzling over this ever since I updated my 8 Plus to the 
latest version of iOS and purchasing an iPhone 11; both having never lost 
VoiceOver as the result of any activity.  With the rare exception of some 
VoiceOver display bleed-through errors, described in previous posts, I never 
use any of my Apple devices without VoiceOver and yet, try as I may, I cannot 
reproduce the loss-of-VoiceOver glitch with or without earphones, of any type, 
attached.

Did you know that not all iPhones are created equal?  There are several 
different models referred to by the same device name.  Also, in the United 
States at least, the type of carrier used can, in fact, have an impact on 
device performance.  For example, several years ago there was a VoiceOver 
display driver bug that only affected certain iPhones sold by certain 
manufacturers.  Moreover, if memory serves, iPhones older than the 7 series 
would have 1 of 2 different modems installed, based on certain factors.  My 
point, regardless of the name used, not all iPhones are identical, in terms of 
hardware.

Again, at present, this is just a guess as Apple never admits to hardly 
anything until it has been resolved but I suspect that those having this 
problem, or the reverse, those like me, who are not having this problem, can 
attribute it to the device type that is being used.

For example, and again, this is just a guess so don't take issue, I make it a 
practice to pay full price for SIM-free models of any Apple device, only.  The 
SIM-free model is one that is generally sold outside of the US but can, upon 
request, be purchased inside the US, as well.

I was told, by an Apple employee, that all iPhone 11 series phones are now 
SIM-free unless the purchaser elects not to pay full price for the phone, up 
front.  I do not know how true this is as I am certain that when one purchases 
a device directly from a carrier, the device is most certainly not SIM-free.

While I am certain that Apple will resolve this loss-of-VoiceOver issue, the 
fact that it even exists suggests to me that they did not or could not 
anticipate this problem on their in-house models, said models most likely being 
the purist of the pure where software and hardware installs are concerned.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would 
not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I 
called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, 
back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for my 
model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard to 
VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, 
couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from 
happening again. 

I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dani pagador
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, 
I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to 
voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be 
suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly 
press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the voicemail 
recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of the call to 
the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came in.

Yay, Apple.

Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back if it 
kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a call (without 
being plugged in), and lost speech but still had sound--I could hear the clicks 
as I swiped right and left. I grabbed my wired earbuds, plugged in, and VO was 
back.

HTH,
Dani





On 10/10/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Angie and Everyone,
>
> You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later 
> 

RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[M. Taylor]

Hello Carolyn, et al:

You know, I've been puzzling over this ever since I updated my 8 Plus to the 
latest version of iOS and purchasing an iPhone 11; both having never lost 
VoiceOver as the result of any activity.  With the rare exception of some 
VoiceOver display bleed-through errors, described in previous posts, I never 
use any of my Apple devices without VoiceOver and yet, try as I may, I cannot 
reproduce the loss-of-VoiceOver glitch with or without earphones, of any type, 
attached.

Did you know that not all iPhones are created equal?  There are several 
different models referred to by the same device name.  Also, in the United 
States at least, the type of carrier used can, in fact, have an impact on 
device performance.  For example, several years ago there was a VoiceOver 
display driver bug that only affected certain iPhones sold by certain 
manufacturers.  Moreover, if memory serves, iPhones older than the 7 series 
would have 1 of 2 different modems installed, based on certain factors.  My 
point, regardless of the name used, not all iPhones are identical, in terms of 
hardware.

Again, at present, this is just a guess as Apple never admits to hardly 
anything until it has been resolved but I suspect that those having this 
problem, or the reverse, those like me, who are not having this problem, can 
attribute it to the device type that is being used.

For example, and again, this is just a guess so don't take issue, I make it a 
practice to pay full price for SIM-free models of any Apple device, only.  The 
SIM-free model is one that is generally sold outside of the US but can, upon 
request, be purchased inside the US, as well.

I was told, by an Apple employee, that all iPhone 11 series phones are now 
SIM-free unless the purchaser elects not to pay full price for the phone, up 
front.  I do not know how true this is as I am certain that when one purchases 
a device directly from a carrier, the device is most certainly not SIM-free.

While I am certain that Apple will resolve this loss-of-VoiceOver issue, the 
fact that it even exists suggests to me that they did not or could not 
anticipate this problem on their in-house models, said models most likely being 
the purist of the pure where software and hardware installs are concerned.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would 
not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I 
called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, 
back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for my 
model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard to 
VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, 
couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from 
happening again. 

I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dani pagador
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, 
I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to 
voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be 
suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly 
press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the voicemail 
recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of the call to 
the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came in.

Yay, Apple.

Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back if it 
kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a call (without 
being plugged in), and lost speech but still had sound--I could hear the clicks 
as I swiped right and left. I grabbed my wired earbuds, plugged in, and VO was 
back.

HTH,
Dani





On 10/10/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Angie and Everyone,
>
> You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later 
> version of iOS 13.x to be released, before updating my 8 Plus, I am 
> definitely glad that I went ahead and took the proverbial plunge.
> This is to say that I have gained much more than I lost.
>
> Now keep in mind that I have yet to experience any loss of VoiceOver 
> under any circumstances.  Also, while I do read some email messages 
> via iPhone, I read most of my emails on either my Windows PC or my Mac 
> so cannot speak to any problems with the native iOS Mail app.
>
> I absolutely love the new 

RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Carolyn Arnold]

We did that first. I mean, it was really a problem. If I thought getting 
another model would solve it, at that point, I would have, but knew it was not 
the fault of the SE. I am hopeful that the SE2 really will come out next march. 
If it does, will it have the 11 camers? My husband would like that. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Your best option is a hard reset, in the case of the SE it is pretty simple, 
push and hold both the home button and power button on the side for about 12 
seconds, let go and wait for the phone to restart. On my iPhone 8 it fixes the 
issue every time.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would 
not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I 
called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, 
back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for my 
model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard to 
VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, 
couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from 
happening again. 

I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dani pagador
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, 
I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to 
voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be 
suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly 
press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the voicemail 
recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of the call to 
the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came in.

Yay, Apple.

Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back if it 
kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a call (without 
being plugged in), and lost speech but still had sound--I could hear the clicks 
as I swiped right and left. I grabbed my wired earbuds, plugged in, and VO was 
back.

HTH,
Dani





On 10/10/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Angie and Everyone,
>
> You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later 
> version of iOS 13.x to be released, before updating my 8 Plus, I am 
> definitely glad that I went ahead and took the proverbial plunge.
> This is to say that I have gained much more than I lost.
>
> Now keep in mind that I have yet to experience any loss of VoiceOver 
> under any circumstances.  Also, while I do read some email messages 
> via iPhone, I read most of my emails on either my Windows PC or my Mac 
> so cannot speak to any problems with the native iOS Mail app.
>
> I absolutely love the new system-wide hap tic VoiceOver feedback 
> feature.  I think the latest versions of Maps is incredible, 
> especially the new E.T.A feature.  However, what I like most about iOS 
> 13.x and by the same token, iPad OS 13 is the fact that now, as it was 
> many, many moons ago, all of my ripped DVD videos play perfectly on 
> all of my Apple devices.  This was certainly not the case in iOS 12 
> and earlier.  I am glad that Apple relinquished its death grip on the 
> types of videos it would and would not allow to be played on Apple 
> devices, in the hope of getting customers to purchase / rent videos from the 
> iTunes Store.
>
> Oh, one more thing, while I am a heavy user of Braille using the 
> original Focus 40 Blue, as yet, I have not attempted to read any 
> lengthy pieces on my Braille display so cannot speak to any issues regarding 
> Braille displays.
>
> I can tell you, however, that while I adore the new dark mode on my 
> iPad Pro, I have elected not to engage this new feature on my 8 Plus.  Why?
> Well, the display seems to be too dark for my taste on the smaller 
> display and I find it easier to toggle Invert Display on and off, as 
> needed with the Home button.
>
> On the iPhone 11, however, given that there is no longer a Home 
> button, I do engage Dark mode, using the side button to Toggle 
> VoiceOver on and off, as needed.  As yet, I have not experienced a 
> loss of VoiceOver before, during, or after calls, of any kind.
>
> I am of the opinion 

RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Your best option is a hard reset, in the case of the SE it is pretty simple, 
push and hold both the home button and power button on the side for about 12 
seconds, let go and wait for the phone to restart. On my iPhone 8 it fixes the 
issue every time.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would 
not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I 
called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, 
back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for my 
model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard to 
VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, 
couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from 
happening again. 

I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dani pagador
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, 
I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to 
voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be 
suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly 
press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the voicemail 
recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of the call to 
the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came in.

Yay, Apple.

Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back if it 
kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a call (without 
being plugged in), and lost speech but still had sound--I could hear the clicks 
as I swiped right and left. I grabbed my wired earbuds, plugged in, and VO was 
back.

HTH,
Dani





On 10/10/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Angie and Everyone,
>
> You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later 
> version of iOS 13.x to be released, before updating my 8 Plus, I am 
> definitely glad that I went ahead and took the proverbial plunge.
> This is to say that I have gained much more than I lost.
>
> Now keep in mind that I have yet to experience any loss of VoiceOver 
> under any circumstances.  Also, while I do read some email messages 
> via iPhone, I read most of my emails on either my Windows PC or my Mac 
> so cannot speak to any problems with the native iOS Mail app.
>
> I absolutely love the new system-wide hap tic VoiceOver feedback 
> feature.  I think the latest versions of Maps is incredible, 
> especially the new E.T.A feature.  However, what I like most about iOS 
> 13.x and by the same token, iPad OS 13 is the fact that now, as it was 
> many, many moons ago, all of my ripped DVD videos play perfectly on 
> all of my Apple devices.  This was certainly not the case in iOS 12 
> and earlier.  I am glad that Apple relinquished its death grip on the 
> types of videos it would and would not allow to be played on Apple 
> devices, in the hope of getting customers to purchase / rent videos from the 
> iTunes Store.
>
> Oh, one more thing, while I am a heavy user of Braille using the 
> original Focus 40 Blue, as yet, I have not attempted to read any 
> lengthy pieces on my Braille display so cannot speak to any issues regarding 
> Braille displays.
>
> I can tell you, however, that while I adore the new dark mode on my 
> iPad Pro, I have elected not to engage this new feature on my 8 Plus.  Why?
> Well, the display seems to be too dark for my taste on the smaller 
> display and I find it easier to toggle Invert Display on and off, as 
> needed with the Home button.
>
> On the iPhone 11, however, given that there is no longer a Home 
> button, I do engage Dark mode, using the side button to Toggle 
> VoiceOver on and off, as needed.  As yet, I have not experienced a 
> loss of VoiceOver before, during, or after calls, of any kind.
>
> I am of the opinion that iOS 12 with Watch OS 5 work much better, 
> together, than iOS 13 with Watch OS 6, especially where Bluetooth 
> audio switching is concerned; at least, this has been my experience so far.
>
> Still, all of my "must-have" apps work as expected and I have yet to 
> encounter any show-stoppers in iOS 13.x, so far.
>
> So, if you have not yet updated to iOS 13.x yet, wait a little longer 
> before doing so but if you're ready to jump in and begin sending 
> Apple, along with third-party developers, bug reports as you encounter 
> them, go ahead and make the leap as we can use all 

RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would 
not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I 
called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, 
back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for my 
model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard to 
VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, 
couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from 
happening again. 

I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dani pagador
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, 
I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to 
voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be 
suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly 
press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the voicemail 
recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of the call to 
the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came in.

Yay, Apple.

Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back if it 
kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a call (without 
being plugged in), and lost speech but still had sound--I could hear the clicks 
as I swiped right and left. I grabbed my wired earbuds, plugged in, and VO was 
back.

HTH,
Dani





On 10/10/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Angie and Everyone,
>
> You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later 
> version of iOS 13.x to be released, before updating my 8 Plus, I am 
> definitely glad that I went ahead and took the proverbial plunge.  
> This is to say that I have gained much more than I lost.
>
> Now keep in mind that I have yet to experience any loss of VoiceOver 
> under any circumstances.  Also, while I do read some email messages 
> via iPhone, I read most of my emails on either my Windows PC or my Mac 
> so cannot speak to any problems with the native iOS Mail app.
>
> I absolutely love the new system-wide hap tic VoiceOver feedback 
> feature.  I think the latest versions of Maps is incredible, 
> especially the new E.T.A feature.  However, what I like most about iOS 
> 13.x and by the same token, iPad OS 13 is the fact that now, as it was 
> many, many moons ago, all of my ripped DVD videos play perfectly on 
> all of my Apple devices.  This was certainly not the case in iOS 12 
> and earlier.  I am glad that Apple relinquished its death grip on the 
> types of videos it would and would not allow to be played on Apple 
> devices, in the hope of getting customers to purchase / rent videos from the 
> iTunes Store.
>
> Oh, one more thing, while I am a heavy user of Braille using the 
> original Focus 40 Blue, as yet, I have not attempted to read any 
> lengthy pieces on my Braille display so cannot speak to any issues regarding 
> Braille displays.
>
> I can tell you, however, that while I adore the new dark mode on my 
> iPad Pro, I have elected not to engage this new feature on my 8 Plus.  Why?
> Well, the display seems to be too dark for my taste on the smaller 
> display and I find it easier to toggle Invert Display on and off, as 
> needed with the Home button.
>
> On the iPhone 11, however, given that there is no longer a Home 
> button, I do engage Dark mode, using the side button to Toggle 
> VoiceOver on and off, as needed.  As yet, I have not experienced a 
> loss of VoiceOver before, during, or after calls, of any kind.
>
> I am of the opinion that iOS 12 with Watch OS 5 work much better, 
> together, than iOS 13 with Watch OS 6, especially where Bluetooth 
> audio switching is concerned; at least, this has been my experience so far.
>
> Still, all of my "must-have" apps work as expected and I have yet to 
> encounter any show-stoppers in iOS 13.x, so far.
>
> So, if you have not yet updated to iOS 13.x yet, wait a little longer 
> before doing so but if you're ready to jump in and begin sending 
> Apple, along with third-party developers, bug reports as you encounter 
> them, go ahead and make the leap as we can use all of the proverbial 
> voices we can get in order to get the attention of all of the 
> developers to resolve various iOS 13.x issues.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Angie Nutt
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
>
> The only thing stopping me from upgrading is the losing sound when 

Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[dani pagador]

For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime
calls, I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call
that went to voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my
number would be suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be
arrested, and to kindly press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more
information. I was able to use the voicemail recording and the info VO
provided to give an accurate account of the call to the FTC when I
filed my complaint with them after the call came in.

Yay, Apple.

Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back
if it kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a
call (without being plugged in), and lost speech but still had
sound--I could hear the clicks as I swiped right and left. I grabbed
my wired earbuds, plugged in, and VO was back.

HTH,
Dani





On 10/10/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Angie and Everyone,
>
> You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later
> version of iOS 13.x to be released, before updating my 8 Plus, I am
> definitely glad that I went ahead and took the proverbial plunge.  This is
> to say that I have gained much more than I lost.
>
> Now keep in mind that I have yet to experience any loss of VoiceOver under
> any circumstances.  Also, while I do read some email messages via iPhone, I
> read most of my emails on either my Windows PC or my Mac so cannot speak to
> any problems with the native iOS Mail app.
>
> I absolutely love the new system-wide hap tic VoiceOver feedback feature.  I
> think the latest versions of Maps is incredible, especially the new E.T.A
> feature.  However, what I like most about iOS 13.x and by the same token,
> iPad OS 13 is the fact that now, as it was many, many moons ago, all of my
> ripped DVD videos play perfectly on all of my Apple devices.  This was
> certainly not the case in iOS 12 and earlier.  I am glad that Apple
> relinquished its death grip on the types of videos it would and would not
> allow to be played on Apple devices, in the hope of getting customers to
> purchase / rent videos from the iTunes Store.
>
> Oh, one more thing, while I am a heavy user of Braille using the original
> Focus 40 Blue, as yet, I have not attempted to read any lengthy pieces on my
> Braille display so cannot speak to any issues regarding Braille displays.
>
> I can tell you, however, that while I adore the new dark mode on my iPad
> Pro, I have elected not to engage this new feature on my 8 Plus.  Why?
> Well, the display seems to be too dark for my taste on the smaller display
> and I find it easier to toggle Invert Display on and off, as needed with the
> Home button.
>
> On the iPhone 11, however, given that there is no longer a Home button, I do
> engage Dark mode, using the side button to Toggle VoiceOver on and off, as
> needed.  As yet, I have not experienced a loss of VoiceOver before, during,
> or after calls, of any kind.
>
> I am of the opinion that iOS 12 with Watch OS 5 work much better, together,
> than iOS 13 with Watch OS 6, especially where Bluetooth audio switching is
> concerned; at least, this has been my experience so far.
>
> Still, all of my "must-have" apps work as expected and I have yet to
> encounter any show-stoppers in iOS 13.x, so far.
>
> So, if you have not yet updated to iOS 13.x yet, wait a little longer before
> doing so but if you're ready to jump in and begin sending Apple, along with
> third-party developers, bug reports as you encounter them, go ahead and make
> the leap as we can use all of the proverbial voices we can get in order to
> get the attention of all of the developers to resolve various iOS 13.x
> issues.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Angie Nutt
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
>
> The only thing stopping me from upgrading is the losing sound when ending a
> call thing; would hate that to happen when out alone. Otherwise I’m looking
> forward to getting my hands on iOS 13
>
> All the best
> Angie
>
>
>> On 9 Oct 2019, at 18:58, Louise Johnson  wrote:
>>
>> Hi I also am waiting to update. Yes there are ones of you who are
>> doing it and sharing the bugs with Apple and I thank you for that. I
>> just not a person who wants any problems only a few years in and just
>> want tech to work all the time. Louise and princess Kiara
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:00 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
>>
>> My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of these
>> major bugs are getting fixed.  I only had one reminder about the update
>> yesterday.  I also found remind me 

RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[M. Taylor]

Hello Angie and Everyone,

You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later version 
of iOS 13.x to be released, before updating my 8 Plus, I am definitely glad 
that I went ahead and took the proverbial plunge.  This is to say that I have 
gained much more than I lost.

Now keep in mind that I have yet to experience any loss of VoiceOver under any 
circumstances.  Also, while I do read some email messages via iPhone, I read 
most of my emails on either my Windows PC or my Mac so cannot speak to any 
problems with the native iOS Mail app.

I absolutely love the new system-wide hap tic VoiceOver feedback feature.  I 
think the latest versions of Maps is incredible, especially the new E.T.A 
feature.  However, what I like most about iOS 13.x and by the same token, iPad 
OS 13 is the fact that now, as it was many, many moons ago, all of my ripped 
DVD videos play perfectly on all of my Apple devices.  This was certainly not 
the case in iOS 12 and earlier.  I am glad that Apple relinquished its death 
grip on the types of videos it would and would not allow to be played on Apple 
devices, in the hope of getting customers to purchase / rent videos from the 
iTunes Store.  

Oh, one more thing, while I am a heavy user of Braille using the original Focus 
40 Blue, as yet, I have not attempted to read any lengthy pieces on my Braille 
display so cannot speak to any issues regarding Braille displays.

I can tell you, however, that while I adore the new dark mode on my iPad Pro, I 
have elected not to engage this new feature on my 8 Plus.  Why?  Well, the 
display seems to be too dark for my taste on the smaller display and I find it 
easier to toggle Invert Display on and off, as needed with the Home button.

On the iPhone 11, however, given that there is no longer a Home button, I do 
engage Dark mode, using the side button to Toggle VoiceOver on and off, as 
needed.  As yet, I have not experienced a loss of VoiceOver before, during, or 
after calls, of any kind.

I am of the opinion that iOS 12 with Watch OS 5 work much better, together, 
than iOS 13 with Watch OS 6, especially where Bluetooth audio switching is 
concerned; at least, this has been my experience so far.

Still, all of my "must-have" apps work as expected and I have yet to encounter 
any show-stoppers in iOS 13.x, so far.

So, if you have not yet updated to iOS 13.x yet, wait a little longer before 
doing so but if you're ready to jump in and begin sending Apple, along with 
third-party developers, bug reports as you encounter them, go ahead and make 
the leap as we can use all of the proverbial voices we can get in order to get 
the attention of all of the developers to resolve various iOS 13.x issues.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Angie Nutt
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

The only thing stopping me from upgrading is the losing sound when ending a 
call thing; would hate that to happen when out alone. Otherwise I’m looking 
forward to getting my hands on iOS 13

All the best
Angie


> On 9 Oct 2019, at 18:58, Louise Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hi I also am waiting to update. Yes there are ones of you who are 
> doing it and sharing the bugs with Apple and I thank you for that. I 
> just not a person who wants any problems only a few years in and just 
> want tech to work all the time. Louise and princess Kiara
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of these major 
> bugs are getting fixed.  I only had one reminder about the update yesterday.  
> I also found remind me later and just for referrence, don't enter in your 
> passcode if you're prompted for it.
> My iPhone 8 is working just fine, and I see no need to update at this time.  
> I'm so glad I got on this list so I can be warned about things like major 
> bugs and so on.  Granted, I don't really use my phone to check email, but I 
> really don't like the thought of voiceover shutting down after a phone call.  
> Until that is fixed for sure, I'm not upgrading.  I'd recommend not to update 
> just yet.  A lot of my friends are also waiting to update as well.
> 
> On 10/9/19, Susie Stageberg  wrote:
>> Good morning all.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped 
>> on "later" and then "disagree", I hopes this would make it leave me 
>> alone for a while. From reading all the posts on this list (and
>> elsewhere) about people having a hard time with this upgrade, it 
>> occurred to me that it might be a good idea to hold off until they 
>> get some of this 

RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Carolyn Arnold]

I'll keep that in mind, but my Volume Up button is off, so I have to use the 
end of a rat tail comb or the pick on a pick comb to push Volume Up. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

I find a hard reset is the quickest way for a blind person to fix this, if it 
happens on my iPhon e8 I press Volume Up, Volume Down and then press and hold 
the power button for about 12 seconds and within 10 or so seconds my iPhone is 
back up. It's annoying, but I find I can do the hard reset a lot  more reliably 
than to turn the phone off and back on without feedback whether the Power Off 
button showed up.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

The only thing stopping me from upgrading is the losing sound when ending a 
call thing; would hate that to happen when out alone. Otherwise I’m looking 
forward to getting my hands on iOS 13

All the best
Angie


> On 9 Oct 2019, at 18:58, Louise Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hi I also am waiting to update. Yes there are ones of you who are 
> doing it and sharing the bugs with Apple and I thank you for that. I 
> just not a person who wants any problems only a few years in and just 
> want tech to work all the time. Louise and princess Kiara
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of these major 
> bugs are getting fixed.  I only had one reminder about the update yesterday.  
> I also found remind me later and just for referrence, don't enter in your 
> passcode if you're prompted for it.
> My iPhone 8 is working just fine, and I see no need to update at this time.  
> I'm so glad I got on this list so I can be warned about things like major 
> bugs and so on.  Granted, I don't really use my phone to check email, but I 
> really don't like the thought of voiceover shutting down after a phone call.  
> Until that is fixed for sure, I'm not upgrading.  I'd recommend not to update 
> just yet.  A lot of my friends are also waiting to update as well.
> 
> On 10/9/19, Susie Stageberg  wrote:
>> Good morning all.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped 
>> on "later" and then "disagree", I hopes this would make it leave me 
>> alone for a while. From reading all the posts on this list (and
>> elsewhere) about people having a hard time with this upgrade, it 
>> occurred to me that it might be a good idea to hold off until they 
>> get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very nicely with
>> 12.2 and I'm one of those who does not need the latest and greatest 
>> just because it's the latest and greatest.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I 
>> will get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the 
>> ostrich?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Susie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor 
>> Roosevelt
>> 
>> 
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RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I find a hard reset is the quickest way for a blind person to fix this, if it 
happens on my iPhon e8 I press Volume Up, Volume Down and then press and hold 
the power button for about 12 seconds and within 10 or so seconds my iPhone is 
back up. It's annoying, but I find I can do the hard reset a lot  more reliably 
than to turn the phone off and back on without feedback whether the Power Off 
button showed up.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

The only thing stopping me from upgrading is the losing sound when ending a 
call thing; would hate that to happen when out alone. Otherwise I’m looking 
forward to getting my hands on iOS 13

All the best
Angie


> On 9 Oct 2019, at 18:58, Louise Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hi I also am waiting to update. Yes there are ones of you who are 
> doing it and sharing the bugs with Apple and I thank you for that. I 
> just not a person who wants any problems only a few years in and just 
> want tech to work all the time. Louise and princess Kiara
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of these major 
> bugs are getting fixed.  I only had one reminder about the update yesterday.  
> I also found remind me later and just for referrence, don't enter in your 
> passcode if you're prompted for it.
> My iPhone 8 is working just fine, and I see no need to update at this time.  
> I'm so glad I got on this list so I can be warned about things like major 
> bugs and so on.  Granted, I don't really use my phone to check email, but I 
> really don't like the thought of voiceover shutting down after a phone call.  
> Until that is fixed for sure, I'm not upgrading.  I'd recommend not to update 
> just yet.  A lot of my friends are also waiting to update as well.
> 
> On 10/9/19, Susie Stageberg  wrote:
>> Good morning all.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped 
>> on "later" and then "disagree", I hopes this would make it leave me 
>> alone for a while. From reading all the posts on this list (and
>> elsewhere) about people having a hard time with this upgrade, it 
>> occurred to me that it might be a good idea to hold off until they 
>> get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very nicely with 
>> 12.2 and I'm one of those who does not need the latest and greatest 
>> just because it's the latest and greatest.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I 
>> will get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the 
>> ostrich?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Susie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor 
>> Roosevelt
>> 
>> 
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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Davy Cuppens]

It will certainly redownload the package even if you don't wish that!

The only way is to deny the terms and conditions each time you are prompted 
to update even if you chose to update later. I have it had now two times.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Maria Reyes

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 10:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Hi, You can go into settings, general, software update and at the bottom of 
the screen is a toggle that says automatic updates. Toggle that to off. It 
shouldn't download it again if you delete the update from storage.


want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I 
will happily add you.

maria2...@gmail.com

On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> 
wrote:


Some time, when I have no Voice Over, I ask Siri the temperature or how 
many m iles from here to Washington, D>C>, then flick and read what she 
brings up on the Internet. Sometimes that works; sometimes it does not.


Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Lemly

Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Susie,



I've never believed that taking care with updates is an ostrich move. I've 
been using computers since the IBM PC came out in 1981 and after many 
update cycles, I've concluded that a large majority of the updates have 
caused more issues than provided features that I couldn't live without. 
I'm also waiting until iOS 13.x has a release with fewer bugs for 
Voiceover users. I use the FlickType third party keyboard for the majority 
of my iPhone input and I need it to work better with iOS than what I'm 
hearing how it works with the current iOS 13.1.2. I've also gotten that 
prompt to install the iOS 13.1.2 download and after declining it now for 
three times, I went into Settings, General, iPhone storage, iOS 13.1.2, 
and deleted the download. As Dave said, it will no doubt download again 
but at least I've cleared out that almost 2GB of storage and it shouldn't 
be prompting me to install anything until it downloads again.




Alan Lemly



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Susie Stageberg

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question



Good morning all.



My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on 
“later” and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for 
a while. From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about 
people having a hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it 
might be a good idea to hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. 
I am running along very nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not 
need the latest and greatest just because it’s the latest and greatest.




Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will 
get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the 
ostrich?




Susie







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Roosevelt




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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Angie Nutt]

The only thing stopping me from upgrading is the losing sound when ending a 
call thing; would hate that to happen when out alone. Otherwise I’m looking 
forward to getting my hands on iOS 13

All the best
Angie


> On 9 Oct 2019, at 18:58, Louise Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hi I also am waiting to update. Yes there are ones of you who are doing it 
> and sharing the bugs with Apple and I thank you for that. I just not a person 
> who wants any problems only a few years in and just want tech to work all the 
> time. Louise and princess Kiara 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of these major 
> bugs are getting fixed.  I only had one reminder about the update yesterday.  
> I also found remind me later and just for referrence, don't enter in your 
> passcode if you're prompted for it.
> My iPhone 8 is working just fine, and I see no need to update at this time.  
> I'm so glad I got on this list so I can be warned about things like major 
> bugs and so on.  Granted, I don't really use my phone to check email, but I 
> really don't like the thought of voiceover shutting down after a phone call.  
> Until that is fixed for sure, I'm not upgrading.  I'd recommend not to update 
> just yet.  A lot of my friends are also waiting to update as well.
> 
> On 10/9/19, Susie Stageberg  wrote:
>> Good morning all.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped 
>> on "later" and then "disagree", I hopes this would make it leave me 
>> alone for a while. From reading all the posts on this list (and 
>> elsewhere) about people having a hard time with this upgrade, it 
>> occurred to me that it might be a good idea to hold off until they get 
>> some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very nicely with 12.2 and 
>> I'm one of those who does not need the latest and greatest just 
>> because it's the latest and greatest.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I 
>> will get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the 
>> ostrich?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Susie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor 
>> Roosevelt
>> 
>> 
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RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you know you are setting up your phone date on the list?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Susie 
Stageberg
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

No. I'll be home briefly this afternoon. Tomorrow afternoon and evening are 
better. That work for you?

On Oct 9, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Sandy Finley 
mailto:therealsandyfin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I, for one,am very happy I upgraded; why I am not having any of the problems 
others describe I cannot tell you. It is dumb luck — no skill  there! I was 
eager to change the touch gesture for the rotor.

We had talked about talking on the phone; guess I got kind  of distracted.  Are 
you home now?
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 9, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

you can also, delete the update from storage, which you will find in settings, 
then general.

But, it will redownload again at some point. But just keep doing the same 
thing, until you are happy to update.

Dave.


From: Susie Stageberg
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Good morning all.

My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on “later” 
and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a while. 
From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people having a 
hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a good idea to 
hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very 
nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest and greatest 
just because it’s the latest and greatest.

Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get a 
better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Holly]

Alan:

I meant iPhone storage.  There is no new version listed there.  I am using an 
iPhone 7.

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Dave]

yes, it will still download the update, even with that button set to off. It 
will just stop it automatically updating your phone.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Maria Reyes

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Hi, You can go into settings, general, software update and at the bottom of 
the screen is a toggle that says automatic updates. Toggle that to off. It 
shouldn't download it again if you delete the update from storage.


want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I 
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On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> 
wrote:


Some time, when I have no Voice Over, I ask Siri the temperature or how 
many m iles from here to Washington, D>C>, then flick and read what she 
brings up on the Internet. Sometimes that works; sometimes it does not.


Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Lemly

Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Susie,



I've never believed that taking care with updates is an ostrich move. I've 
been using computers since the IBM PC came out in 1981 and after many 
update cycles, I've concluded that a large majority of the updates have 
caused more issues than provided features that I couldn't live without. 
I'm also waiting until iOS 13.x has a release with fewer bugs for 
Voiceover users. I use the FlickType third party keyboard for the majority 
of my iPhone input and I need it to work better with iOS than what I'm 
hearing how it works with the current iOS 13.1.2. I've also gotten that 
prompt to install the iOS 13.1.2 download and after declining it now for 
three times, I went into Settings, General, iPhone storage, iOS 13.1.2, 
and deleted the download. As Dave said, it will no doubt download again 
but at least I've cleared out that almost 2GB of storage and it shouldn't 
be prompting me to install anything until it downloads again.




Alan Lemly



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Susie Stageberg

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question



Good morning all.



My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on 
“later” and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for 
a while. From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about 
people having a hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it 
might be a good idea to hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. 
I am running along very nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not 
need the latest and greatest just because it’s the latest and greatest.




Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will 
get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the 
ostrich?




Susie







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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Dave]

it’s not in iCloud.

You go to settings, then general. then swipe until you hear storage.

Dave.


From: Holly 
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Hi Alan:

I got my first update notice last night, but didn’t get any other options, such 
as ‘download now’ or ‘remind me later’

I just cleared the message.  When I went into I cloud storage, there was no iOS 
13.1.2, or whatever.  Just a list of my apps.
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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, You can go into settings, general, software update and at the bottom of the 
screen is a toggle that says automatic updates. Toggle that to off. It 
shouldn't download it again if you delete the update from storage.

want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I will 
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> On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Some time, when I have no Voice Over, I ask Siri the temperature or how many 
> m iles from here to Washington, D>C>, then flick and read what she brings up 
> on the Internet. Sometimes that works; sometimes it does not. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> Susie,
> 
> 
> 
> I've never believed that taking care with updates is an ostrich move. I've 
> been using computers since the IBM PC came out in 1981 and after many update 
> cycles, I've concluded that a large majority of the updates have caused more 
> issues than provided features that I couldn't live without. I'm also waiting 
> until iOS 13.x has a release with fewer bugs for Voiceover users. I use the 
> FlickType third party keyboard for the majority of my iPhone input and I need 
> it to work better with iOS than what I'm hearing how it works with the 
> current iOS 13.1.2. I've also gotten that prompt to install the iOS 13.1.2 
> download and after declining it now for three times, I went into Settings, 
> General, iPhone storage, iOS 13.1.2, and deleted the download. As Dave said, 
> it will no doubt download again but at least I've cleared out that almost 2GB 
> of storage and it shouldn't be prompting me to install anything until it 
> downloads again.
> 
> 
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Susie Stageberg
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 9:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
> 
> 
> 
> Good morning all.
> 
> 
> 
> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on 
> “later” and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a 
> while. From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people 
> having a hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a 
> good idea to hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running 
> along very nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest 
> and greatest just because it’s the latest and greatest.
> 
> 
> 
> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get 
> a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?
> 
> 
> 
> Susie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Carolyn Arnold]

Some time, when I have no Voice Over, I ask Siri the temperature or how many m 
iles from here to Washington, D>C>, then flick and read what she brings up on 
the Internet. Sometimes that works; sometimes it does not. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Susie,

 

I've never believed that taking care with updates is an ostrich move. I've been 
using computers since the IBM PC came out in 1981 and after many update cycles, 
I've concluded that a large majority of the updates have caused more issues 
than provided features that I couldn't live without. I'm also waiting until iOS 
13.x has a release with fewer bugs for Voiceover users. I use the FlickType 
third party keyboard for the majority of my iPhone input and I need it to work 
better with iOS than what I'm hearing how it works with the current iOS 13.1.2. 
I've also gotten that prompt to install the iOS 13.1.2 download and after 
declining it now for three times, I went into Settings, General, iPhone 
storage, iOS 13.1.2, and deleted the download. As Dave said, it will no doubt 
download again but at least I've cleared out that almost 2GB of storage and it 
shouldn't be prompting me to install anything until it downloads again.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Susie Stageberg
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

 

Good morning all.

 

My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on “later” 
and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a while. 
From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people having a 
hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a good idea to 
hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very 
nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest and greatest 
just because it’s the latest and greatest.

 

Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get a 
better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?

 

Susie

 

 

 

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RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Carolyn Arnold]

Susie, if I was where you are and knew what I know, I'd wait until people on 
the list started saying that there were fewer problems. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Susie Stageberg
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Good morning all.

 

My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on “later” 
and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a while. 
From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people having a 
hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a good idea to 
hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very 
nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest and greatest 
just because it’s the latest and greatest.

 

Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get a 
better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?

 

Susie

 

 

 

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Susie Stageberg]

No. I'll be home briefly this afternoon. Tomorrow afternoon and evening are 
better. That work for you?

> On Oct 9, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Sandy Finley  
> wrote:
> 
> I, for one,am very happy I upgraded; why I am not having any of the problems 
> others describe I cannot tell you. It is dumb luck — no skill  there! I was 
> eager to change the touch gesture for the rotor. 
> 
> We had talked about talking on the phone; guess I got kind  of distracted.  
> Are you home now?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 9, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> you can also, delete the update from storage, which you will find in 
>> settings, then general.
>>  
>> But, it will redownload again at some point. But just keep doing the same 
>> thing, until you are happy to update.
>>  
>> Dave.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Susie Stageberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 3:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
>>  
>> Good morning all.
>>  
>> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on 
>> “later” and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a 
>> while. From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people 
>> having a hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a 
>> good idea to hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running 
>> along very nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the 
>> latest and greatest just because it’s the latest and greatest.
>>  
>> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will 
>> get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?
>>  
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RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Louise Johnson]

Hi I also am waiting to update. Yes there are ones of you who are doing it and 
sharing the bugs with Apple and I thank you for that. I just not a person who 
wants any problems only a few years in and just want tech to work all the time. 
Louise and princess Kiara 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of these major 
bugs are getting fixed.  I only had one reminder about the update yesterday.  I 
also found remind me later and just for referrence, don't enter in your 
passcode if you're prompted for it.
My iPhone 8 is working just fine, and I see no need to update at this time.  
I'm so glad I got on this list so I can be warned about things like major bugs 
and so on.  Granted, I don't really use my phone to check email, but I really 
don't like the thought of voiceover shutting down after a phone call.  Until 
that is fixed for sure, I'm not upgrading.  I'd recommend not to update just 
yet.  A lot of my friends are also waiting to update as well.

On 10/9/19, Susie Stageberg  wrote:
> Good morning all.
>
>
>
> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped 
> on "later" and then "disagree", I hopes this would make it leave me 
> alone for a while. From reading all the posts on this list (and 
> elsewhere) about people having a hard time with this upgrade, it 
> occurred to me that it might be a good idea to hold off until they get 
> some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very nicely with 12.2 and 
> I'm one of those who does not need the latest and greatest just 
> because it's the latest and greatest.
>
>
>
> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I 
> will get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the 
> ostrich?
>
>
>
> Susie
>
>
>
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RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Alan Lemly]

Sandy,

 

I'm with Holly. Maybe that inadvertent automatic send is a new feature of iOS 
13.x (sardonic smile).

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sandy Finley
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

 

 

Apologies;  I never meant to send that to the list. I swear I did not press 
“send”; it just sent it self.

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 9, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Susie,

 

I've never believed that taking care with updates is an ostrich move. I've been 
using computers since the IBM PC came out in 1981 and after many update cycles, 
I've concluded that a large majority of the updates have caused more issues 
than provided features that I couldn't live without. I'm also waiting until iOS 
13.x has a release with fewer bugs for Voiceover users. I use the FlickType 
third party keyboard for the majority of my iPhone input and I need it to work 
better with iOS than what I'm hearing how it works with the current iOS 13.1.2. 
I've also gotten that prompt to install the iOS 13.1.2 download and after 
declining it now for three times, I went into Settings, General, iPhone 
storage, iOS 13.1.2, and deleted the download. As Dave said, it will no doubt 
download again but at least I've cleared out that almost 2GB of storage and it 
shouldn't be prompting me to install anything until it downloads again.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Susie Stageberg
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

 

Good morning all.

 

My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on “later” 
and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a while. 
From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people having a 
hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a good idea to 
hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very 
nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest and greatest 
just because it’s the latest and greatest.

 

Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get a 
better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?

 

Susie

 

 

 

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Davy Cuppens]

Maybe while you are not using the apps in which the bugs occur.
I saw the mail vo focus bug in any updated iphone that was tested after my 
advice. In every notification center, the focus issues were present.
Only the phone call bug is user dependend.
Davy 

From: Sandy Finley 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 7:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

I, for one,am very happy I upgraded; why I am not having any of the problems 
others describe I cannot tell you. It is dumb luck — no skill  there! I was 
eager to change the touch gesture for the rotor.  

We had talked about talking on the phone; guess I got kind  of distracted.  Are 
you home now?


Sent from my iPhone


  On Oct 9, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Dave  wrote:


   
  you can also, delete the update from storage, which you will find in 
settings, then general.

  But, it will redownload again at some point. But just keep doing the same 
thing, until you are happy to update.

  Dave.


  From: Susie Stageberg 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 3:45 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

  Good morning all.

   

  My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on 
“later” and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a 
while. From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people 
having a hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a good 
idea to hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along 
very nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest and 
greatest just because it’s the latest and greatest.

   

  Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get 
a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?

   

  Susie

   

   

   

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Holly]

Sandy:

Maybe you have more bugs than you think.  Hahahaha.

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Holly]

Hi Alan:

I got my first update notice last night, but didn’t get any other options, such 
as ‘download now’ or ‘remind me later’

I just cleared the message.  When I went into I cloud storage, there was no iOS 
13.1.2, or whatever.  Just a list of my apps.

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Sandy Finley]

Apologies;  I never meant to send that to the list. I swear I did not press 
“send”; it just sent it self.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Susie,
>  
> I've never believed that taking care with updates is an ostrich move. I've 
> been using computers since the IBM PC came out in 1981 and after many update 
> cycles, I've concluded that a large majority of the updates have caused more 
> issues than provided features that I couldn't live without. I'm also waiting 
> until iOS 13.x has a release with fewer bugs for Voiceover users. I use the 
> FlickType third party keyboard for the majority of my iPhone input and I need 
> it to work better with iOS than what I'm hearing how it works with the 
> current iOS 13.1.2. I've also gotten that prompt to install the iOS 13.1.2 
> download and after declining it now for three times, I went into Settings, 
> General, iPhone storage, iOS 13.1.2, and deleted the download. As Dave said, 
> it will no doubt download again but at least I've cleared out that almost 2GB 
> of storage and it shouldn't be prompting me to install anything until it 
> downloads again.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Susie Stageberg
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 9:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
>  
> Good morning all.
>  
> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on 
> “later” and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a 
> while. From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people 
> having a hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a 
> good idea to hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running 
> along very nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest 
> and greatest just because it’s the latest and greatest.
>  
> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get 
> a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?
>  
> Susie
>  
>  
>  
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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Sandy Finley]

I, for one,am very happy I upgraded; why I am not having any of the problems 
others describe I cannot tell you. It is dumb luck — no skill  there! I was 
eager to change the touch gesture for the rotor. 

We had talked about talking on the phone; guess I got kind  of distracted.  Are 
you home now?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> 
> you can also, delete the update from storage, which you will find in 
> settings, then general.
>  
> But, it will redownload again at some point. But just keep doing the same 
> thing, until you are happy to update.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: Susie Stageberg
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 3:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question
>  
> Good morning all.
>  
> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on 
> “later” and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a 
> while. From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people 
> having a hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a 
> good idea to hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running 
> along very nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest 
> and greatest just because it’s the latest and greatest.
>  
> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get 
> a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?
>  
> Susie
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RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Alan Lemly]

Susie,

 

I've never believed that taking care with updates is an ostrich move. I've been 
using computers since the IBM PC came out in 1981 and after many update cycles, 
I've concluded that a large majority of the updates have caused more issues 
than provided features that I couldn't live without. I'm also waiting until iOS 
13.x has a release with fewer bugs for Voiceover users. I use the FlickType 
third party keyboard for the majority of my iPhone input and I need it to work 
better with iOS than what I'm hearing how it works with the current iOS 13.1.2. 
I've also gotten that prompt to install the iOS 13.1.2 download and after 
declining it now for three times, I went into Settings, General, iPhone 
storage, iOS 13.1.2, and deleted the download. As Dave said, it will no doubt 
download again but at least I've cleared out that almost 2GB of storage and it 
shouldn't be prompting me to install anything until it downloads again.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Susie Stageberg
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

 

Good morning all.

 

My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on “later” 
and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a while. 
From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people having a 
hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a good idea to 
hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very 
nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest and greatest 
just because it’s the latest and greatest.

 

Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get a 
better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?

 

Susie

 

 

 

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Dave]

you can also, delete the update from storage, which you will find in settings, 
then general.

But, it will redownload again at some point. But just keep doing the same 
thing, until you are happy to update.

Dave.


From: Susie Stageberg 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

Good morning all.

 

My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on “later” 
and then “disagree”, I hopes this would make it leave me alone for a while. 
From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people having a 
hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a good idea to 
hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very 
nicely with 12.2 and I’m one of those who does not need the latest and greatest 
just because it’s the latest and greatest.

 

Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will get a 
better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?

 

Susie

 

 

 

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Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question

[Joshua Hendrickson]

My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of these
major bugs are getting fixed.  I only had one reminder about the
update yesterday.  I also found remind me later and just for
referrence, don't enter in your passcode if you're prompted for it.
My iPhone 8 is working just fine, and I see no need to update at this
time.  I'm so glad I got on this list so I can be warned about things
like major bugs and so on.  Granted, I don't really use my phone to
check email, but I really don't like the thought of voiceover shutting
down after a phone call.  Until that is fixed for sure, I'm not
upgrading.  I'd recommend not to update just yet.  A lot of my friends
are also waiting to update as well.

On 10/9/19, Susie Stageberg  wrote:
> Good morning all.
>
>
>
> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped on
> "later" and then "disagree", I hopes this would make it leave me alone for
> a
> while. From reading all the posts on this list (and elsewhere) about people
> having a hard time with this upgrade, it occurred to me that it might be a
> good idea to hold off until they get some of this stuff fixed. I am running
> along very nicely with 12.2 and I'm one of those who does not need the
> latest and greatest just because it's the latest and greatest.
>
>
>
> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I will
> get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play the ostrich?
>
>
>
> Susie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor
> Roosevelt
>
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