Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, the flashlight can always be turned on in control center. I think I'd never risk it being turned on by shake, as there'd be way too many turn on's by accident. Elgin On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda > On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:33 PM, "glazingfr...@gmail.com" > wrote: > > Me too using bold text on iPhone 4S with iOS 7. > How about ready flashlight? Can almost call it life saver. > To save resources I turned Reduce Motion to On. > >> On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >> >> Yep. I also have an iPhone 4, that I updated to iOS 7. I didn’t really >> notice a slow down, but since I was low on space on my 16GB (I have lots of >> music), I took the chance to upgrade to a 4S. It’s also working fine. >> Again, there is ONE feature iOS 7 has that iOS 6 didn’t, and it’s really >> nice, and that’s system wide bold text. Yes, 56 pt on iOS 6 was nice, but >> even better bolded on iOS 7. >> >> >>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:03 PM, John Diakogeorgiou >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry but this is getting old. People have suggested restoring or >>> doing other things to phones that are slow. Instead of trying this >>> others just want to continue complaining. As I've said a few times I >>> have a 4 which although a bit slow still works fine with 7.2 and it's >>> only 8gb. It was also slow with IOS 6. >>> >>>> On 10/7/13, Corey Michael Cook wrote: >>>> Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with >>>> some >>>> customers. But the phone should still be usable. >>>> >>>> >>>> Corey Cook >>>> Facebook: >>>> corey.coo...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Pablo Morales >>>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>> >>>> Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I >>>> called >>>> >>>> apple again. >>>> Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that >>>> IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one >>>> phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day >>>> reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem >>>> >>>> is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use >>>> >>>> iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and >>>> texting, but no a lot of things. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Ricardo Walker" >>>> To: "viphone" >>>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for >>>> Voiceover >>>> >>>> users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by >>>> just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware >>>> >>>> much more. >>>> >>>> JMO. >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>> >>>>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience >>>>> (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I >>>>> don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I >>>>> know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about >>>>> >>>>> it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 >>>>> works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with >>>>> >>>>> sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the >>&
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Pablo, Thank you for sharing the experiences you gathered from others. I saw this problem on my iPhone 4S, roommate's iphone 4, my iPad 3. Right now typing this email on my iPhone 4s. It freezes every few now and then when I switched to check an incoming text now. I came back I typed and the letters didn't show up while 'typing' them, only after typing a while it all came after. Major delay. I also own an iPod Touch 5, which I did not update. It works much faster than anything I got here since the update. Even the iPad3 that use to be faster is now slower. Apple did send in the Update file which I am NOT installing. What right does Apple have to send it to me with my agreeing to it, and occupying about 3GB? There is no way to delete it. > On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Pablo Morales" wrote: > > Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called > apple again. > Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs > 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. > As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting > this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common > in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, > with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no > a lot of things. > > - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: "viphone" > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > > Hi, > > I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover > users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just > find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much > more. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience (apart >> from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I don’t see >> any sluggishness. I can’t speak for an iPhone 4 except that I know 4 people >> and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about it who are >> sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 works well on >> their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with sluggishness >> that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the phone using >> iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of work, but the >> few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S doing that fixed >> everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 comes out many bugs >> and issues will just go away just as they always have. >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of glazingfr...@gmail.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire >> everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's >> really not fair. >> >> On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" wrote: >> >> Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Ierne >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my >> iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has >> stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because >> I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, >> so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the >> update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download >> now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that >> barrier for those of us holding out...? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting &g
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Not only on my iPhone 4S its slow, but on my ipad4. It freezes for a few second while I am moving around, especially Mail. It never ever happened with iOS 6.1.3 on this once beloved iPad 3. This force of upgrade to iOS 7 and being able to backgrade is totally wrong. > On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > Are you talking about the iPhone 4S? I upgraded to IOS 7, and I don't find it > any more sluggish than IOS 6. > >> On 10/07/2013 12:15 AM, glazingfr...@gmail.com wrote: >> Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire >> everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's >> really not fair. >> >> On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" > <mailto:garypet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. >>> >>>- Original Message - >>>*From:* Ierne <mailto:grattanhe...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>*Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM >>>*Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>> >>>Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without >>>charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary >>>to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now >>>irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download >>>a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has >>>changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update >>>whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this >>>download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be >>>able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? >>> >>> >>>-- >>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>"VIPhone" Google Group. >>> >>>Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com >>><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. >>> >>>Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> >>>Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>>viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com >>><mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com>. >>> >>>Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>>viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>><mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> >>>More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>>http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>--- >>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>><mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> >>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. >>> >>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> >>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com>. >>> >>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> >>> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/8xZJQ7bxziI/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Christopher, Thanks for speaking up. I wasn't sure if I should say anything or not. This discussion is not pointless as you said. We do have have a few points here: - Apple pushes in data without permission, - The data pushed in to us wastes enormous space that we paid for, - The data pushed to us uses resources of connection traffic, - The data cannot be deleted, - if you do agree to install it (usually because you want to try it and thinking you got the best iOS that could ever have on your device) you cannot roll it back. - If you do want to restore a machine to factory iOS you really can't stay that way. You have to update and you also to update till iOS 6.1.3, and you cannot choose that ever again at all, What else? Are these things pointless? Thanks, Glazing > On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > I don't think the discussion has been pointless, but I do think that > positions are being restated, and I don't think anyone is going to convince > anyone to change their opinion at this point. BTW, I don't recall the > moderator asking anyone to move on. In fact, I think she said she was > specifically letting this discussion continue as long as people behaved > themselves. > >> On 10/08/2013 05:46 AM, Ed Barnes wrote: >> The point here too is that this discussion is pointless and I think our list >> moderator has asked all involved to move on, btw, I'm getting a sore delete >> finger. >> Pablo good luck finding a resolution for your issues. >> Respectfully, Ed. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Pablo Morales >> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 7:36 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Ok Sieghard. >> What ever. the point is not if restoring my iPhone as new device, could >> help. it could, but still it is slower, alot slower than before. The point >> here is the IOs 7 update, who is mandatory decrease the performance of the >> iPhone 4. >> It is all. >> Now, as Cara said, arguing here if it is very slow, or just slow, or a >> little bit slow is something that anybody here can fix. >> I would like to change the topic, do you want? and the rest of the people >> would like to change the topic also? >> I am tired of this issue. >> P >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:09 PM >> Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> >>> Hi Pablo, >>> >>> I don't want to dispute that an iPhone 4 is slower with iOS 7, however, >>> you >>> described that it takes 22 seconds or whatever the number was for the >>> Settings app to open and there is just no way that this is normal >>> behavior. >>> If your iPhone 4 is that slow and you plan to keep it around, then a >>> complete restore to factory settings and setting it up as a new device is >>> what I would do. It won't turn it into a 4S or a 5, but I would bet that >>> it >>> will improve. I can only say that my 4S runs perfectly well with iOS 7 and >>> if I wasn't such a geek and in a position to treat myself to a new >>> unlocked >>> iPhone I would not upgrade. I am pretty sure I'll enjoy using Touch ID and >>> I'll probably feel safer for using it, I know I'll be able to take nicer >>> pictures and maybe OCR/object recognition will be better and I know it >>> will >>> be faster than my 4S, but I am also pretty sure that it's probably a good >>> idea not to set my expectations too high when it comes to just normal >>> day-to-day use like making phone calls, checking email and using routine >>> apps I use a lot like Audible, my weather app, my Netatmo weather station >>> app, Downcast etc. We don't even have LTE yet where I live so it's not >>> even >>> like I'll be awed by super high download speeds or a noticeable >>> improvement >>> with Skype or other VoIP apps due to the faster upload and download speed. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Pablo Morales >>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 4:19 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple n
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Once you restore an iPhone and connect to iTunes it will ask you get latest update in order to restore from backup. > On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:14 PM, "Corey Michael Cook" > wrote: > > Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with some > customers. But the phone should still be usable. > > > Corey Cook > Facebook: > corey.coo...@gmail.com > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Pablo Morales > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called > > apple again. > Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that > IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one > phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day > reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem > is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use > iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and > texting, but no a lot of things. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: "viphone" > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > > Hi, > > I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover > > users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by > just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware > much more. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience >> (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I >> don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I >> know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about >> it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 >> works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with >> sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the >> phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of >> work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S >> doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 >> comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have. >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > >> Of glazingfr...@gmail.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire >> everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's >> really not fair. >> >> On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" >> wrote: >> >> Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Ierne >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, >> my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. >> has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, >> because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting >> the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the >> unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way >> to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may >> be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Me too using bold text on iPhone 4S with iOS 7. How about ready flashlight? Can almost call it life saver. To save resources I turned Reduce Motion to On. > On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > > Yep. I also have an iPhone 4, that I updated to iOS 7. I didn’t really > notice a slow down, but since I was low on space on my 16GB (I have lots of > music), I took the chance to upgrade to a 4S. It’s also working fine. > Again, there is ONE feature iOS 7 has that iOS 6 didn’t, and it’s really > nice, and that’s system wide bold text. Yes, 56 pt on iOS 6 was nice, but > even better bolded on iOS 7. > > >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:03 PM, John Diakogeorgiou >> wrote: >> >> Sorry but this is getting old. People have suggested restoring or >> doing other things to phones that are slow. Instead of trying this >> others just want to continue complaining. As I've said a few times I >> have a 4 which although a bit slow still works fine with 7.2 and it's >> only 8gb. It was also slow with IOS 6. >> >>> On 10/7/13, Corey Michael Cook wrote: >>> Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with >>> some >>> customers. But the phone should still be usable. >>> >>> >>> Corey Cook >>> Facebook: >>> corey.coo...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Pablo Morales >>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>> >>> Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I >>> called >>> >>> apple again. >>> Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that >>> IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one >>> phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day >>> reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem >>> >>> is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use >>> >>> iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and >>> texting, but no a lot of things. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ricardo Walker" >>> To: "viphone" >>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for >>> Voiceover >>> >>> users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by >>> just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware >>> >>> much more. >>> >>> JMO. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience >>>> (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I >>>> don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I >>>> know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about >>>> >>>> it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 >>>> works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with >>>> >>>> sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the >>>> >>>> phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of >>>> work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S >>>> doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 >>>> >>>> comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always >>>> have. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>> >>>> Of glazingfr...@gmail.com >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re:
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Yep. I also have an iPhone 4, that I updated to iOS 7. I didn’t really notice a slow down, but since I was low on space on my 16GB (I have lots of music), I took the chance to upgrade to a 4S. It’s also working fine. Again, there is ONE feature iOS 7 has that iOS 6 didn’t, and it’s really nice, and that’s system wide bold text. Yes, 56 pt on iOS 6 was nice, but even better bolded on iOS 7. On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:03 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: > Sorry but this is getting old. People have suggested restoring or > doing other things to phones that are slow. Instead of trying this > others just want to continue complaining. As I've said a few times I > have a 4 which although a bit slow still works fine with 7.2 and it's > only 8gb. It was also slow with IOS 6. > > On 10/7/13, Corey Michael Cook wrote: >> Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with >> some >> customers. But the phone should still be usable. >> >> >> Corey Cook >> Facebook: >> corey.coo...@gmail.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Pablo Morales >> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I >> called >> >> apple again. >> Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that >> IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one >> phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day >> reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem >> >> is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use >> >> iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and >> texting, but no a lot of things. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ricardo Walker" >> To: "viphone" >> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for >> Voiceover >> >> users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by >> just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware >> >> much more. >> >> JMO. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >>> I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience >>> (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I >>> don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I >>> know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about >>> >>> it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 >>> works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with >>> >>> sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the >>> >>> phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of >>> work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S >>> doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 >>> >>> comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always >>> have. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >> >>> Of glazingfr...@gmail.com >>> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>> >>> Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire >>> everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's >>> really not fair. >>> >>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Ierne >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM >>> Subject: Re:
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Sieghard, Pablo must have made a mistake. He must have meant 2.2 seconds. I have an iPhone 4 and it takes about that for the settings to open. Slower than it was, I agree but not so slow that it is not usable. Ron & Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, I don't want to dispute that an iPhone 4 is slower with iOS 7, however, you described that it takes 22 seconds or whatever the number was for the Settings app to open and there is just no way that this is normal behavior. If your iPhone 4 is that slow and you plan to keep it around, then a complete restore to factory settings and setting it up as a new device is what I would do. It won't turn it into a 4S or a 5, but I would bet that it will improve. I can only say that my 4S runs perfectly well with iOS 7 and if I wasn't such a geek and in a position to treat myself to a new unlocked iPhone I would not upgrade. I am pretty sure I'll enjoy using Touch ID and I'll probably feel safer for using it, I know I'll be able to take nicer pictures and maybe OCR/object recognition will be better and I know it will be faster than my 4S, but I am also pretty sure that it's probably a good idea not to set my expectations too high when it comes to just normal day-to-day use like making phone calls, checking email and using routine apps I use a lot like Audible, my weather app, my Netatmo weather station app, Downcast etc. We don't even have LTE yet where I live so it's not even like I'll be awed by super high download speeds or a noticeable improvement with Skype or other VoIP apps due to the faster upload and download speed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called apple again. Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no a lot of things. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: "viphone" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much more. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience > (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I > don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I > know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about > it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 > works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with > sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the > phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of > work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S > doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 > comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of glazingfr...@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire > everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's > really not fair. > > On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" > wrote: > > Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. > > - Original Message - > From: Ierne > To: viphone@googlegro
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I don't think the discussion has been pointless, but I do think that positions are being restated, and I don't think anyone is going to convince anyone to change their opinion at this point. BTW, I don't recall the moderator asking anyone to move on. In fact, I think she said she was specifically letting this discussion continue as long as people behaved themselves. On 10/08/2013 05:46 AM, Ed Barnes wrote: The point here too is that this discussion is pointless and I think our list moderator has asked all involved to move on, btw, I'm getting a sore delete finger. Pablo good luck finding a resolution for your issues. Respectfully, Ed. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Ok Sieghard. What ever. the point is not if restoring my iPhone as new device, could help. it could, but still it is slower, alot slower than before. The point here is the IOs 7 update, who is mandatory decrease the performance of the iPhone 4. It is all. Now, as Cara said, arguing here if it is very slow, or just slow, or a little bit slow is something that anybody here can fix. I would like to change the topic, do you want? and the rest of the people would like to change the topic also? I am tired of this issue. P - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, I don't want to dispute that an iPhone 4 is slower with iOS 7, however, you described that it takes 22 seconds or whatever the number was for the Settings app to open and there is just no way that this is normal behavior. If your iPhone 4 is that slow and you plan to keep it around, then a complete restore to factory settings and setting it up as a new device is what I would do. It won't turn it into a 4S or a 5, but I would bet that it will improve. I can only say that my 4S runs perfectly well with iOS 7 and if I wasn't such a geek and in a position to treat myself to a new unlocked iPhone I would not upgrade. I am pretty sure I'll enjoy using Touch ID and I'll probably feel safer for using it, I know I'll be able to take nicer pictures and maybe OCR/object recognition will be better and I know it will be faster than my 4S, but I am also pretty sure that it's probably a good idea not to set my expectations too high when it comes to just normal day-to-day use like making phone calls, checking email and using routine apps I use a lot like Audible, my weather app, my Netatmo weather station app, Downcast etc. We don't even have LTE yet where I live so it's not even like I'll be awed by super high download speeds or a noticeable improvement with Skype or other VoIP apps due to the faster upload and download speed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called apple again. Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no a lot of things. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: "viphone" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much more. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the phone usi
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The point here too is that this discussion is pointless and I think our list moderator has asked all involved to move on, btw, I'm getting a sore delete finger. Pablo good luck finding a resolution for your issues. Respectfully, Ed. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Ok Sieghard. What ever. the point is not if restoring my iPhone as new device, could help. it could, but still it is slower, alot slower than before. The point here is the IOs 7 update, who is mandatory decrease the performance of the iPhone 4. It is all. Now, as Cara said, arguing here if it is very slow, or just slow, or a little bit slow is something that anybody here can fix. I would like to change the topic, do you want? and the rest of the people would like to change the topic also? I am tired of this issue. P - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > Hi Pablo, > > I don't want to dispute that an iPhone 4 is slower with iOS 7, however, > you > described that it takes 22 seconds or whatever the number was for the > Settings app to open and there is just no way that this is normal > behavior. > If your iPhone 4 is that slow and you plan to keep it around, then a > complete restore to factory settings and setting it up as a new device is > what I would do. It won't turn it into a 4S or a 5, but I would bet that > it > will improve. I can only say that my 4S runs perfectly well with iOS 7 and > if I wasn't such a geek and in a position to treat myself to a new > unlocked > iPhone I would not upgrade. I am pretty sure I'll enjoy using Touch ID and > I'll probably feel safer for using it, I know I'll be able to take nicer > pictures and maybe OCR/object recognition will be better and I know it > will > be faster than my 4S, but I am also pretty sure that it's probably a good > idea not to set my expectations too high when it comes to just normal > day-to-day use like making phone calls, checking email and using routine > apps I use a lot like Audible, my weather app, my Netatmo weather station > app, Downcast etc. We don't even have LTE yet where I live so it's not > even > like I'll be awed by super high download speeds or a noticeable > improvement > with Skype or other VoIP apps due to the faster upload and download speed. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Pablo Morales > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 4:19 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I > called > > apple again. > Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that > IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one > phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day > reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that > problem > is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who > use > iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and > texting, but no a lot of things. > > - Original Message - > From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: "viphone" > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > > Hi, > > I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for > Voiceover > > users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by > just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old > hardware > much more. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > >> I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience >> (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I >> don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I >> know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about >> it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 >> works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with >> sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and t
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Ok Sieghard. What ever. the point is not if restoring my iPhone as new device, could help. it could, but still it is slower, alot slower than before. The point here is the IOs 7 update, who is mandatory decrease the performance of the iPhone 4. It is all. Now, as Cara said, arguing here if it is very slow, or just slow, or a little bit slow is something that anybody here can fix. I would like to change the topic, do you want? and the rest of the people would like to change the topic also? I am tired of this issue. P - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, I don't want to dispute that an iPhone 4 is slower with iOS 7, however, you described that it takes 22 seconds or whatever the number was for the Settings app to open and there is just no way that this is normal behavior. If your iPhone 4 is that slow and you plan to keep it around, then a complete restore to factory settings and setting it up as a new device is what I would do. It won't turn it into a 4S or a 5, but I would bet that it will improve. I can only say that my 4S runs perfectly well with iOS 7 and if I wasn't such a geek and in a position to treat myself to a new unlocked iPhone I would not upgrade. I am pretty sure I'll enjoy using Touch ID and I'll probably feel safer for using it, I know I'll be able to take nicer pictures and maybe OCR/object recognition will be better and I know it will be faster than my 4S, but I am also pretty sure that it's probably a good idea not to set my expectations too high when it comes to just normal day-to-day use like making phone calls, checking email and using routine apps I use a lot like Audible, my weather app, my Netatmo weather station app, Downcast etc. We don't even have LTE yet where I live so it's not even like I'll be awed by super high download speeds or a noticeable improvement with Skype or other VoIP apps due to the faster upload and download speed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called apple again. Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no a lot of things. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: "viphone" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much more. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of glazingfr...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's really not fair. On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" wrote: Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. - Original Message - From: Ierne To: viphone@goog
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Sorry but this is getting old. People have suggested restoring or doing other things to phones that are slow. Instead of trying this others just want to continue complaining. As I've said a few times I have a 4 which although a bit slow still works fine with 7.2 and it's only 8gb. It was also slow with IOS 6. On 10/7/13, Corey Michael Cook wrote: > Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with > some > customers. But the phone should still be usable. > > > Corey Cook > Facebook: > corey.coo...@gmail.com > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Pablo Morales > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I > called > > apple again. > Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that > IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one > phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day > reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem > > is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use > > iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and > texting, but no a lot of things. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: "viphone" > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > > Hi, > > I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for > Voiceover > > users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by > just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware > > much more. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > >> I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience >> (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I >> don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I >> know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about >> >> it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 >> works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with >> >> sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the >> >> phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of >> work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S >> doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 >> >> comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always >> have. >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf > >> Of glazingfr...@gmail.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire >> everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's >> really not fair. >> >> On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" >> wrote: >> >> Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Ierne >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, >> >> my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. >> >> has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, >> because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting >> the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the >> unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way >> >> to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may >> be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone
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Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with some customers. But the phone should still be usable. Corey Cook Facebook: corey.coo...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called apple again. Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no a lot of things. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: "viphone" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much more. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience > (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I > don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I > know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about > it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 > works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with > sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the > phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of > work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S > doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 > comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of glazingfr...@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire > everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's > really not fair. > > On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" > wrote: > > Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. > > - Original Message ----- > From: Ierne > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, > my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. > has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, > because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting > the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the > unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way > to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may > be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone"
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I agree that is a device in bad need of a restore. Corey Cook Facebook: corey.coo...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, I don't want to dispute that an iPhone 4 is slower with iOS 7, however, you described that it takes 22 seconds or whatever the number was for the Settings app to open and there is just no way that this is normal behavior. If your iPhone 4 is that slow and you plan to keep it around, then a complete restore to factory settings and setting it up as a new device is what I would do. It won't turn it into a 4S or a 5, but I would bet that it will improve. I can only say that my 4S runs perfectly well with iOS 7 and if I wasn't such a geek and in a position to treat myself to a new unlocked iPhone I would not upgrade. I am pretty sure I'll enjoy using Touch ID and I'll probably feel safer for using it, I know I'll be able to take nicer pictures and maybe OCR/object recognition will be better and I know it will be faster than my 4S, but I am also pretty sure that it's probably a good idea not to set my expectations too high when it comes to just normal day-to-day use like making phone calls, checking email and using routine apps I use a lot like Audible, my weather app, my Netatmo weather station app, Downcast etc. We don't even have LTE yet where I live so it's not even like I'll be awed by super high download speeds or a noticeable improvement with Skype or other VoIP apps due to the faster upload and download speed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called apple again. Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no a lot of things. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: "viphone" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much more. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience > (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I > don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I > know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about > it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 > works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with > sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the > phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of > work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S > doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 > comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of glazingfr...@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire > everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's > really not fair. > > On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" > wrote: > > Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. > > - Original Message - > From: Ierne > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, withou
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Pablo, I don't want to dispute that an iPhone 4 is slower with iOS 7, however, you described that it takes 22 seconds or whatever the number was for the Settings app to open and there is just no way that this is normal behavior. If your iPhone 4 is that slow and you plan to keep it around, then a complete restore to factory settings and setting it up as a new device is what I would do. It won't turn it into a 4S or a 5, but I would bet that it will improve. I can only say that my 4S runs perfectly well with iOS 7 and if I wasn't such a geek and in a position to treat myself to a new unlocked iPhone I would not upgrade. I am pretty sure I'll enjoy using Touch ID and I'll probably feel safer for using it, I know I'll be able to take nicer pictures and maybe OCR/object recognition will be better and I know it will be faster than my 4S, but I am also pretty sure that it's probably a good idea not to set my expectations too high when it comes to just normal day-to-day use like making phone calls, checking email and using routine apps I use a lot like Audible, my weather app, my Netatmo weather station app, Downcast etc. We don't even have LTE yet where I live so it's not even like I'll be awed by super high download speeds or a noticeable improvement with Skype or other VoIP apps due to the faster upload and download speed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called apple again. Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no a lot of things. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: "viphone" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much more. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience > (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I > don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I > know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about > it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 > works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with > sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the > phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of > work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S > doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 > comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of glazingfr...@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire > everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's > really not fair. > > On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" > wrote: > > Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. > > - Original Message - > From: Ierne > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, > my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. > has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, > because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting > the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the > unit downloads the update
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called apple again. Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs 7 makes iPhone 4 very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no a lot of things. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: "viphone" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much more. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I don’t see any sluggishness. I can’t speak for an iPhone 4 except that I know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of glazingfr...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's really not fair. On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" wrote: Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. - Original Message - From: Ierne To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/8xZJQ7bxziI/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubsc
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Someone on applevis under the accessibility bugs topic who has the speaker phone bug suggested switching the option to the headset under accessibility, however I tried this and when I hold the phone to my ear I hear nothing at all coming out of the earpeace so I don't think this works unless this person is using a headset. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Have you tried turning phone 4s off and back on or even resetting with home button and wake/sleep? I find no sluggishness in my 4s, only the sensitivity, and turning off the IOs sounds seems to have helped that. Try emptying the app switcher too. No, Apple definitely should not be putting it on the phone, but the IOS itself is definitely not that bad. Looking forward to getting a bigger phone when I can, though.reggie and Allegra On Oct 7, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "glazingfr...@gmail.com" wrote: Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's really not fair. On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" wrote: Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. - Original Message - From: Ierne To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/8xZJQ7bxziI/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I don't see how one could complain about a notification. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 1:18 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. "Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. ". Hey, letting you know that there is a download for an upgrade is one thing, but actually downloading it to your device without your permission is much worse, and Thhhats what we are talking about. On my itouch 5 it got completely downloaded (not installed) and occupied between one and three gigabyte of my expensive space. There is no way to delete it. But just putting a red badge that is an update available and you can download it, isn't so terrible. On Sep 30, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Ierne wrote: Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, I respectfully disagree. I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover users is the norm not the exception. I think sighted people will get by just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much more. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience (apart > from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I don’t see > any sluggishness. I can’t speak for an iPhone 4 except that I know 4 people > and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about it who are > sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 works well on > their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with sluggishness that > this is not normal behavior and they should restore the phone using iTunes > and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of work, but the few times > I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S doing that fixed everything > quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 comes out many bugs and issues > will just go away just as they always have. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > glazingfr...@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire > everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's really > not fair. > > On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" wrote: > > Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. > > - Original Message ----- > From: Ierne > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my > iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has > stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I > was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so > something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the > update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download > now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that > barrier for those of us holding out...? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/8xZJQ7bxziI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view t
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Have you tried turning phone 4s off and back on or even resetting with home button and wake/sleep? I find no sluggishness in my 4s, only the sensitivity, and turning off the IOs sounds seems to have helped that. Try emptying the app switcher too. No, Apple definitely should not be putting it on the phone, but the IOS itself is definitely not that bad. Looking forward to getting a bigger phone when I can, though.reggie and Allegra On Oct 7, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "glazingfr...@gmail.com" wrote: Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's really not fair. > On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" wrote: > > Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. > > - Original Message - > From: Ierne > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my > iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has > stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I > was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so > something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the > update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download > now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that > barrier for those of us holding out...? >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the"VIPhone" > Google Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/8xZJQ7bxziI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googleg
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of glazingfr...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's really not fair. On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" wrote: Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. - Original Message - From: Ierne <mailto:grattanhe...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/8xZJQ7bxziI/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone arch
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Are you talking about the iPhone 4S? I upgraded to IOS 7, and I don't
find it any more sluggish than IOS 6.
On 10/07/2013 12:15 AM, glazingfr...@gmail.com wrote:
Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire
everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's
really not fair.
On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" mailto:garypet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked.
- Original Message -
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*Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without
charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary
to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now
irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download
a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has
changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update
whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this
download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be
able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...?
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
"Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. ". Hey, letting you know that there is a download for an upgrade is one thing, but actually downloading it to your device without your permission is much worse, and Thhhats what we are talking about. On my itouch 5 it got completely downloaded (not installed) and occupied between one and three gigabyte of my expensive space. There is no way to delete it. But just putting a red badge that is an update available and you can download it, isn't so terrible. > On Sep 30, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Ierne wrote: > > Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my > iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s. It makes the entire everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's really not fair. > On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Gary Petraccaro" wrote: > > Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. > > - Original Message - > From: Ierne > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my > iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has > stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I > was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so > something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the > update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download > now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that > barrier for those of us holding out...? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/8xZJQ7bxziI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked. - Original Message - From: Ierne To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
How do you know it's downloading? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ierne Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 4:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Exactly this issue in this topic brought me here. My iPhone I did update on purpose, but my itouch5 I decided should stick with iOS 6.1.3. I like the colors and rich graphics in it. Whatever my reason is, that's what I decided to do. I use my itouch more for pictures and other things. At some point a message came up telling me that my data reached the 64gb limit (not in that exact quote, but.. that's a what it basically meant to say). So I decided to delete Podcast and all its contents.. I gained 3 GBs.. I plugged in this iTouch and let it charge. I pick it up I see it has a red badge with a "1" within the Setting icon. I check it it out and it says INSTALL NOW. What the hay! Why did it download itself and now occupy my e regained space? HOW DONI DELETE THAT DOWNLOADED STUFF IN THERE?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Eileen, My problem is that it wastes about 3 giga bytes of space on my precious expensive iOS device. I paid money for space to be used by me and not by Apple pushing in a download that I want do delete and there is no way for me to delete it. Don't you get it? > On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Eileens Misrahi wrote: > > HELLO All, > > When viewing this thread, I realized that only my name was pasted to it. So > here goes again. When all of the noise about this supposed gliche started to > circulate, everyone was afraid to charge their phone or plug it in to the > computer of feaar that iOS 7 would upgrade one's device. Fortunately, this is > not the case. Just think about what kind of trouble Apple would be in if iOS > 7 was automatically installed on the device. > > Just yesterday, I plugged my iPhone 4 into the computer. I received the usual > popup that iTunes will give when there is an upgrade. Of course, I press > thecancel button and I was placed in the main screen of iTunes with no harm > done. What surprise me more was that that this activated the popup on the > phone. I was given 2 options: to download or to cancel. You can guess what I > tapped on. Raul is correct that this feature has been on the iOS platform for > a while andon this phone since 6.1.2 because I have been on the fence about > jailbreaking as soon as I replace it with a new one. Well, it's taken so long > that it's part of the settings announcement. So for those who are getting > stressed out about this, just relax. No one is forcing you to upgrade. Apple > can't afford anymore litigation and bad publicity. JMO. > > Eileen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well this issue changes by the day. Even on 1% battery, without charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02. So contrary to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has changed. My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off. And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...? > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I can confirm the same expedience on my iPhone five. I was offered an upgrade which I rejected. I am still using the order version on my iPhone five. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Eileens Misrahi wrote: > HELLO All, > > When viewing this thread, I realized that only my name was pasted to it. So > here goes again. When all of the noise about this supposed gliche started to > circulate, everyone was afraid to charge their phone or plug it in to the > computer of feaar that iOS 7 would upgrade one's device. Fortunately, this is > not the case. Just think about what kind of trouble Apple would be in if iOS > 7 was automatically installed on the device. > > Just yesterday, I plugged my iPhone 4 into the computer. I received the usual > popup that iTunes will give when there is an upgrade. Of course, I press > thecancel button and I was placed in the main screen of iTunes with no harm > done. What surprise me more was that that this activated the popup on the > phone. I was given 2 options: to download or to cancel. You can guess what I > tapped on. Raul is correct that this feature has been on the iOS platform for > a while andon this phone since 6.1.2 because I have been on the fence about > jailbreaking as soon as I replace it with a new one. Well, it's taken so long > that it's part of the settings announcement. So for those who are getting > stressed out about this, just relax. No one is forcing you to upgrade. Apple > can't afford anymore litigation and bad publicity. JMO. > > Eileen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:41 AM, "Alan Paganelli" > wrote: > >> I just had my wife check on her iPhone 4. It is showing her that the update >> is there but it isn't trying to force her to install it and as was already >> said, you have to agree to the terms of use before the software will install >> and quite frankly, I don't believe the story that the iPhone is >> automatically installing the new iOS 7. >> --- >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >> >> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! >> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >> >> Please click on: >> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on >> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my >> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >> - Original Message - >> From: Cara Quinn >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 7:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Please do keep us up to date. >> >> Rather than speculation, please do let us know what happens with this if you >> would? >> >> Thanks so much! >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 30, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Ierne wrote: >> >> This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The >> iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a >> charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't >> getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is >> daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to >> downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie >> Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even >> without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if >> so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Applegear in 1984. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving em
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
HELLO All, When viewing this thread, I realized that only my name was pasted to it. So here goes again. When all of the noise about this supposed gliche started to circulate, everyone was afraid to charge their phone or plug it in to the computer of feaar that iOS 7 would upgrade one's device. Fortunately, this is not the case. Just think about what kind of trouble Apple would be in if iOS 7 was automatically installed on the device. Just yesterday, I plugged my iPhone 4 into the computer. I received the usual popup that iTunes will give when there is an upgrade. Of course, I press thecancel button and I was placed in the main screen of iTunes with no harm done. What surprise me more was that that this activated the popup on the phone. I was given 2 options: to download or to cancel. You can guess what I tapped on. Raul is correct that this feature has been on the iOS platform for a while andon this phone since 6.1.2 because I have been on the fence about jailbreaking as soon as I replace it with a new one. Well, it's taken so long that it's part of the settings announcement. So for those who are getting stressed out about this, just relax. No one is forcing you to upgrade. Apple can't afford anymore litigation and bad publicity. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:41 AM, "Alan Paganelli" wrote: > I just had my wife check on her iPhone 4. It is showing her that the update > is there but it isn't trying to force her to install it and as was already > said, you have to agree to the terms of use before the software will install > and quite frankly, I don't believe the story that the iPhone is automatically > installing the new iOS 7. > --- > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2013! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > - Original Message ----- > From: Cara Quinn > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Please do keep us up to date. > > Rather than speculation, please do let us know what happens with this if > you would? > > Thanks so much! > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > On Sep 30, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Ierne wrote: > > This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone > is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and > with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very > far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it > does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this > auto update. And presumably we will now find, asFrankie Lynch seems to > have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK > from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a > long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+uns
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I just had my wife check on her iPhone 4. It is showing her that the update is there but it isn't trying to force her to install it and as was already said, you have to agree to the terms of use before the software will install and quite frankly, I don't believe the story that the iPhone is automatically installing the new iOS 7. --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Please do keep us up to date. Rather than speculation, please do let us know what happens with this if you would? Thanks so much! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Ierne wrote: This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well that's true, but then again, major operating system upgrades for Windows aren't free either. -- Raul A. Gallegos Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's under CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/27/2013 1:56 PM, Michael Malver wrote: I don't disable my updates, but never have I had windows 8 automatically download on my windows 7 system. Windows 7 wasn't downloaded onto my vista system either. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
OK fair enough, but you people, and by that statement, I mean the people who are complaining about this, are not realizing that this isn't something new. This has been going on since iOS 5. So, why the fuss now all of a sudden? Also, this isn't something targeting blind people specifically like I've seen some list members insinuate. This happens for everyone. I don't like it either if I don't have a choice, but I will say that on the flip side it's saved money too. Just this past weekend I went to a client's home to do some equipment maintenance for him. He had an iPad mini and a laptop which needed work. At first I thought I would be spending a lot more time on the laptop while the update downloaded and then installed. However because it had already been downloaded, the upgrade of his ipad took a lot less. Over all it saved everyone a lot of time. So it does have it's positive side as well, and again, this isn't new with iOS 7. -- Raul A. Gallegos No one sits in my spot. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/26/2013 10:04 PM, Mary Otten wrote: Raul, There is a huge difference when you're looking at a 32 or 16 GB I device versus a Windows or a Mac PC with many many megabytes gigabytes or even maybe terabytes of space. This is just wrong. I have 4 GB left on my iPhone. And when this unwanted download comes on, it's going to leave me with something around 1 1/2 left. That is a problem. One of the things that Apple used to pride itself on his "it just works." Given what I've heard about iOS 7 and voiceover, I don't think they're living up to their reputation. We pay a lot more for this hardware and put up with the "walled garden" because it is supposed to offer a superior experience. This is not an example of a superior experience. Quite honestly, this is more like what I would expect from the wild West in Google land, where it's incredibly fragmented, and excess ability is catch as catch can, and it's a mess. I don't pay big bucks to expect this kind of treatment from the company. Mary experience. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" wrote: Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded without your permission? What about those who are more technically challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier? -- Raul A. Gallegos Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's under CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but if you are on iOS 6 and you are jailbroken, there is a tweak called SoftwareUpdateKiller and guess what? It prevents software updates from getting forced on you in case you feel they are doing that. So far it's worked nicely. I upgraded my iPad mini, but am waiting on the iPhone. -- Raul A. Gallegos Soft kitty, Warm kitty, Little ball of fur. Happy kitty, Sleepy kitty, Purr, purr, purr. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/26/2013 10:15 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hello, For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come with some bad news. According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when downloaded. http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Irene, "The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode," Come on! Impossible. > On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ierne wrote: > > This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone > is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and > with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very > far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it > does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this > auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have > done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the > user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term > customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/8xZJQ7bxziI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Can you explain, how does the network status define either you are downloading something or not. What i know or my understanding thru the network status is it moves according to the 3g signal you have and have nothing to do with either you are downloading something or not downloading anything. And, when you turn airplay onn, everything involve in connection is off. that include bluetooth, wifi, 3g, phone, and everything else. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad > On 2 Oct 2013, at 17:21, "RobH." wrote: > > The "network connection in progress" on the status line is often a good > clue. > > - Original Message - > From: "Sieghard Weitzel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:31 AM > Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > > Just out of curiocity, how do you know it's trying to download when airplane > mode is on and when you are only on 3G, how do you know it is in fact > downloading? I just don't see how it can download on 3G when there is a 50 > Mb download limit, i.e. if you ever tried to download an audio book or > podcast that was larger than 50 Mb via 3G it will not let you. > > > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Ierne > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:41 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > > > This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The > iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a > charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't > getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is > daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to > downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie > Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even > without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if > so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Go
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
The "network connection in progress" on the status line is often a good clue. - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:31 AM Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Just out of curiocity, how do you know it's trying to download when airplane mode is on and when you are only on 3G, how do you know it is in fact downloading? I just don't see how it can download on 3G when there is a 50 Mb download limit, i.e. if you ever tried to download an audio book or podcast that was larger than 50 Mb via 3G it will not let you. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ierne Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
This was the view I was expressing near the start of the thread, still feel it; but saw assurences it wasn't quite that intrusive, so calmed down again. Rh. - Original Message - From: "Pablo Morales" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 3:19 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. let me say it again. If I pay a product, so I am the owner. Why apple has right on my property? I feel something agains the property right here. - Original Message - From: Ierne To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Just out of curiocity, how do you know it's trying to download when airplane mode is on and when you are only on 3G, how do you know it is in fact downloading? I just don't see how it can download on 3G when there is a 50 Mb download limit, i.e. if you ever tried to download an audio book or podcast that was larger than 50 Mb via 3G it will not let you. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ierne Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Please do keep us up to date. Rather than speculation, please do let us know what happens with this if you would? Thanks so much! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Ierne wrote: This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
It's unlikely the software will install automatically since you are required to accept a license agreement before the installation begins. On 10/1/13, Eileens Misrahi wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 30, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Ierne wrote: > >> This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The >> iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a >> charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't >> getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is >> daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to >> downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie >> Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even >> without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if >> so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in >> 1984. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.rHello, > > Today was the first time since iOS 7 was launched that I had that annoying > download. However, this was after I had connected the phone to the computer > and iTunes. I also received the annoying popup from iTunes to update. This > has been the only alerts since 9-18-13. HTH. > > Eileen" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
let me say it again. If I pay a product, so I am the owner. Why apple has right on my property? I feel something agains the property right here. - Original Message - From: Ierne To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Ierne wrote: > This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone > is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and > with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very > far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it > does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this > auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have > done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the > user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term > customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.rHello, Today was the first time since iOS 7 was launched that I had that annoying download. However, this was after I had connected the phone to the computer and iTunes. I also received the annoying popup from iTunes to update. This has been the only alerts since 9-18-13. HTH. Eileen" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, That Apple is downloading unwanted software on your phone is a fact. Wrong, I agree with you but you mention that the next thing is that they will install it. That is pure speculation in your part. Why not wait and refrain from scaring some people needlessly. Ron & Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ierne Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 8:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
This situation is changing faster than my posts are being posted. The iPhone is now trying to download the update, while unlocked, without a charger and with WiFi turned OFF, which is new. Needless to say, it isn't getting very far on 3G. Indeed, it even tries on Airplane mode, which is daft! But it does appear that Apple have now lifted all the barriers to downloading this auto update. And presumably we will now find, as Frankie Lynch seems to have done, that the update will go ahead and install, even without the OK from the user? Completely outrageous behaviour by Apple if so. Spoken as a long-term customer, who started using Apple gear in 1984. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I am wondering if the law in United States, and the international laws that create commercial relations between countries where apple is saling their products, allow a company to force the customers to install an operated system, that decrease the performance of their products, for example the performance of IOs 7 running on an iPhone 4. It is something that decrease the performance of the iPhone 4, and looks like apple wants to enforce the customers to buy the new devices, making our iPhone 4, slower, and with a lot of problems running the new IOs 7. It is something that needs to be checked by the law. - Original Message - From: "Frankie Lynch" To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Everyone, and In fact this is true... After reading this article I purposely left my iPhone 4,iPad mini and my sons iPhone 5 On ios 6 and sure enough on September 29th all of them FULLY updated to iOS 7 overnight. Installed and every thing... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Ricardo, Yes, it is a matter of wing of the new features against the bugs. So you need to really understand what is core for you and what is not. And for me so far, iOS 7 is simply not compelling. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:13 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I agree but, I don’t know if comparing a car or kitchen appliance works here. > For example, If a feature on your fridge doesn’t work, may tag can’t just > push an update to it in 2 weeks to fix the problem. > > And Cars need a higher level of tolerance because well, you can die or kill > others. And even then, cars are released with features knowingly not ready, > and they tell you to come into the dealership to have the feature fixed. > > I think if you wait for every bug to be squashed in an OS, we would probably > still be using Windows 95, and no new features would be added because, new > features cause more bugs. So then they need to be fixed. And on and on. > Like most things in life its a balancing act. Few things are perfect. You > just hope the new features out way the inconveniences. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Hi Cara, >> I couldn't agree with you more. The notion that it is "okay" to release >> software just because it is "time" is ridiculous. I know of no other segment >> in the economy we're such sloppiness would be permitted. >> You are surely correct that this is not just an Apple issue. Microsoft and >> Google are doing it and have been doing it for a long time. But it doesn't >> make it right. How would people feel if they bought an oven or a car or >> refrigerator and found out that some of the supposed features didn't work >> right? They would take it back to the store. There would be an outcry. But >> with software? No. You just have to live with it. One of the things about >> Apple products is that you pay more than you would for an equivalent PC or >> android device. The idea is that "it just works." Can't say that anymore. >> I have a new Mac with Mountain lion, and I have to say, it is more >> inconsistent than my old one with Snow Leopard. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: >> >>> Hi There, >>> >>> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and >>> report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >>> >>> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be >>> treated as such. >>> >>> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free >>> beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >>> >>> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized >>> software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the >>> general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot >>> escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not >>> acceptable to them. >>> >>> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a >>> bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this >>> software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard >>> and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >>> >>> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a >>> privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple >>> has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us >>> so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. >>> >>> I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass >>> your needs and desires along to the right folks. >>> >>> Just my three cents. :) >>> >>> Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: >>> >>> on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple >>> Accessibility right away. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> >>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> >>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Everyone, and In fact this is true... After reading this article I purposely left my iPhone 4,iPad mini and my sons iPhone 5 On ios 6 and sure enough on September 29th all of them FULLY updated to iOS 7 overnight. Installed and every thing... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Having investigated a bit further: 1. To avoid the download completely, turn off Wifi when connecting the charger (locked/unlocked is irrelevant as far as I can tell, without more tests and wasting of space); 2. To restore any space taken by the download, I reckon we should await the next iOS7 update, start the download, let it switch to the new update, which it will start from scratch, and then disconnect the power to stop it, which seems to be what happened with me yesterday. I reckon it had previously more or less finished downloading 7.0, but on resuming, it started from scratch with 7.02, and I am assuming it deleted the iOS7.0 download. Might be useful? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Sadly, we can stop app updates but not dowloads of system updates. From Apple's site: Go to *Settings > General > Software Update*. iOS will automatically check for available updates. *Available updates download automatically if your device is connected to Wi-Fi and a power source.* Source: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4623 Still trying to figure out how to delete the iOS7 albatross hogging up my storage. -Tony On Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:22:25 AM UTC-7, regina alvarado wrote: > > Hi: > I wonder if the tip about making the app store manual would be usable to > stop IOS-7 from downloading automatically? I set the app store so I could > download manually. When I checked my IOS updates in settings, sitting in > the slot was IOS-7.2. I had to manually ask it to download. NOW, figuring > these two things do not have anything to do with each other, but I was able > to make the decision if I wanted 7.02. Actually feel it fixed some minor > bugs, at least on my phone so happy I made the upgrade. If they are truly > "pushing" without knowledge of the user, in my opinion, this is wrong. > Microsoft doesn't just upgrade Windows to 7 or 8 automatically! If they put > me on Win-8, I'd throw a tantrum! (smiley) > > > reggie and Allegra > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Ierne > > wrote: > > Hello from Dublin. I came upon your helpful discussion after I caught my > iPhone downloading iOS7 in the background without my knowledge. I reckon > David's information here is the most useful for those of us wanting to > prevent the download for now, never mind the update. (I don't want the > iOS7 on my phone yet because I find Reminders crashes on my iPad in iOS7 > after editing a large entry). I reckon the key words in David's post are > :" locked, plugged in, and on a wifi network", though I am not sure about > the locked point, as I found the phone downloading when not locked. But I > definitely found that it won't download if the unit is (a) not on power or > (b) not on WiFi. So the simple way to prevent the download altogether is > to turn Wifi off when charging. I also noticed that the download started > from scratch after I powered the phone off and on again, which suggests it > is removed by powering off, though I didn't check the phone capacity to > confirm this. That may provide a way to save space for those of you with > less capacity. Slán. > > On Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:18:08 AM UTC+1, David Chittenden wrote: >> >> Actually, this specifically fits into Apple's policy of It Just Works. >> The new iOS is downloaded for you, no muss, no fuss, in the background, >> whilst the unit is locked, plugged in, and on a wifi network. Therefore, >> you do not need to worry about such things as how often should you check >> for updates. When it is ready, you are notified so you can decide whether >> to upgrade now or wait until later. It Just Works. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing vip...@googlegroups.com > . > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphon...@googlegroups.com . > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+u...@googlegroups.com > . > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi David, I'm glad you expressed my thoughts a lot better than I did. I totally agree with you. English not being my first language, we basically said the same thing but you said it better. Ron & Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I worked in sales, and in business management, for several years, both in the accessibility arena, and in general market technology. In my experience, many products in almost every market are released before all of their design flaws have been worked out. In fact, it is an impossibility to find, not to mention solve, each and every design flaw. When a few people get upset, companies quietly replace products or refund money. When large numbers of consumers become upset, smaller companies go out of business, whilst larger companies close or sell specific devisions. In product management, it is necessary for managers to determine when a product must be cancelled because developmental costs are about to exceed potential projected income. At that point, the decision must be made as to the viability of the product with all its known flaws. Also, it is essential to calculate so many percentage for the unknown flaws which will not be discovered until the product reaches the marketplace, and this happens with every product. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29 Sep 2013, at 6:47, Mary Otten wrote: Hi Cara, I couldn't agree with you more. The notion that it is "okay" to release software just because it is "time" is ridiculous. I know of no other segment in the economy we're such sloppiness would be permitted. You are surely correct that this is not just an Apple issue. Microsoft and Google are doing it and have been doing it for a long time. But it doesn't make it right. How would people feel if they bought an oven or a car or refrigerator and found out that some of the supposed features didn't work right? They would take it back to the store. There would be an outcry. But with software? No. You just have to live with it. One of the things about Apple products is that you pay more than you would for an equivalent PC or android device. The idea is that "it just works." Can't say that anymore. I have a new Mac with Mountain lion, and I have to say, it is more inconsistent than my old one with Snow Leopard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hi There, you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away." Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be treated as such. this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not acceptable to them. So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. Just my three cents. :) Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubsc
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi all This is done everywhere in industry. Cars have to come out when they have to and are released with known bugs. A recall is cheaper than not having the product come out on time because a delay could cause customers to go to a competitor and also, a lot of people don't bother to bring in their car or appliance. Its just that in this industry, they have the advantage of being able to fix things cheaply and conveniently. Having said that, I agree with cara that it is being taken advantage of on the backs of the loyal consumers but we have to agree that every industry does it and not only software. We have to say that Apple hardware is of good quality, not many of us have to bring the product back, the hardware and software come out on time as announced preventing people from going to a competitor and software is repaired and sent to us in a reasonable time period so, in the end, it's a question of marketing and it seems to me like Apple have some of the best in that field. They know what they can get away with and they do it and we play their game. For as long as we play their game and become their unpaid employees, they will keep on doing it until the market shows that it no longer works and that's not about to happen in any predictable future. Ron & Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:14 AM To: viphone Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I agree but, I don't know if comparing a car or kitchen appliance works here. For example, If a feature on your fridge doesn't work, may tag can't just push an update to it in 2 weeks to fix the problem. And Cars need a higher level of tolerance because well, you can die or kill others. And even then, cars are released with features knowingly not ready, and they tell you to come into the dealership to have the feature fixed. I think if you wait for every bug to be squashed in an OS, we would probably still be using Windows 95, and no new features would be added because, new features cause more bugs. So then they need to be fixed. And on and on. Like most things in life its a balancing act. Few things are perfect. You just hope the new features out way the inconveniences. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Cara, > I couldn't agree with you more. The notion that it is "okay" to release software just because it is "time" is ridiculous. I know of no other segment in the economy we're such sloppiness would be permitted. > You are surely correct that this is not just an Apple issue. Microsoft and Google are doing it and have been doing it for a long time. But it doesn't make it right. How would people feel if they bought an oven or a car or refrigerator and found out that some of the supposed features didn't work right? They would take it back to the store. There would be an outcry. But with software? No. You just have to live with it. One of the things about Apple products is that you pay more than you would for an equivalent PC or android device. The idea is that "it just works." Can't say that anymore. > I have a new Mac with Mountain lion, and I have to say, it is more inconsistent than my old one with Snow Leopard. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> Hi There, >> >> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >> >> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be treated as such. >> >> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >> >> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not acceptable to them. >> >> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >> >> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. >> >> I t
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi: I wonder if the tip about making the app store manual would be usable to stop IOS-7 from downloading automatically? I set the app store so I could download manually. When I checked my IOS updates in settings, sitting in the slot was IOS-7.2. I had to manually ask it to download. NOW, figuring these two things do not have anything to do with each other, but I was able to make the decision if I wanted 7.02. Actually feel it fixed some minor bugs, at least on my phone so happy I made the upgrade. If they are truly "pushing" without knowledge of the user, in my opinion, this is wrong. Microsoft doesn't just upgrade Windows to 7 or 8 automatically! If they put me on Win-8, I'd throw a tantrum! (smiley) reggie and Allegra On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Ierne wrote: Hello from Dublin. I came upon your helpful discussion after I caught my iPhone downloading iOS7 in the background without my knowledge. I reckon David's information here is the most useful for those of us wanting to prevent the download for now, never mind the update. (I don't want the iOS7 on my phone yet because I find Reminders crashes on my iPad in iOS7 after editing a large entry). I reckon the key words in David's post are :" locked, plugged in, and on a wifi network", though I am not sure about the locked point, as I found the phone downloading when not locked. But I definitely found that it won't download if the unit is (a) not on power or (b) not on WiFi. So the simple way to prevent the download altogether is to turn Wifi off when charging. I also noticed that the download started from scratch after I powered the phone off and on again, which suggests it is removed by powering off, though I didn't check the phone capacity to confirm this. That may provide a way to save space for those of you with less capacity. Slán. > On Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:18:08 AM UTC+1, David Chittenden wrote: > Actually, this specifically fits into Apple's policy of It Just Works. The > new iOS is downloaded for you, no muss, no fuss, in the background, whilst > the unit is locked, plugged in, and on a wifi network. Therefore, you do not > need to worry about such things as how often should you check for updates. > When it is ready, you are notified so you can decide whether to upgrade now > or wait until later. It Just Works. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
No, there will not be any way to downgrade after the initial four days past initial iOS upgrade release. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Sep 2013, at 5:33, Shamique Fenelus wrote: > > I have the 4 and its so slow/sluggish, and typing is slow.. its incredibly > sad. hopefully in the nearest future, theres a way to downgrade. > >> On Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:15:01 AM UTC-4, Daniel Miller wrote: >> Hello, >> >> For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come >> with some bad news. >> According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update >> to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user >> consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when >> downloaded. >> http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I worked in sales, and in business management, for several years, both in the accessibility arena, and in general market technology. In my experience, many products in almost every market are released before all of their design flaws have been worked out. In fact, it is an impossibility to find, not to mention solve, each and every design flaw. When a few people get upset, companies quietly replace products or refund money. When large numbers of consumers become upset, smaller companies go out of business, whilst larger companies close or sell specific devisions. In product management, it is necessary for managers to determine when a product must be cancelled because developmental costs are about to exceed potential projected income. At that point, the decision must be made as to the viability of the product with all its known flaws. Also, it is essential to calculate so many percentage for the unknown flaws which will not be discovered until the product reaches the marketplace, and this happens with every product. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Sep 2013, at 6:47, Mary Otten wrote: > > Hi Cara, > I couldn't agree with you more. The notion that it is "okay" to release > software just because it is "time" is ridiculous. I know of no other segment > in the economy we're such sloppiness would be permitted. > You are surely correct that this is not just an Apple issue. Microsoft and > Google are doing it and have been doing it for a long time. But it doesn't > make it right. How would people feel if they bought an oven or a car or > refrigerator and found out that some of the supposed features didn't work > right? They would take it back to the store. There would be an outcry. But > with software? No. You just have to live with it. One of the things about > Apple products is that you pay more than you would for an equivalent PC or > android device. The idea is that "it just works." Can't say that anymore. > I have a new Mac with Mountain lion, and I have to say, it is more > inconsistent than my old one with Snow Leopard. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: >> >> Hi There, >> >> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and >> report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >> >> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be >> treated as such. >> >> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free >> beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >> >> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized >> software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the >> general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot >> escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not >> acceptable to them. >> >> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a >> bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this >> software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and >> voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >> >> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a >> privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple >> has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us >> so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. >> >> I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass >> your needs and desires along to the right folks. >> >> Just my three cents. :) >> >> Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: >> >> on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple >> Accessibility right away. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegro
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
In physical product manufacturing, there is always an expected failure rate. All products go through changes and updates during their life cycles. The difference with software nowadays is it can be modified and updated much more easily and efficiently compared with both the past, and compared with physical devices. And, we are not yet even addressing accessibility for a population which is, in total, less than 0.6% of the entire population. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Sep 2013, at 15:26, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > I think there's something to what you say, but if you follow some of these > applications and apps in the mainstream press and blogosphere, you'll find > that sighted people can be pretty demanding as well. > > I don't think the problem is that developers have us trained like this. I > think it's more that accessibility does add another layer of complexity. > There's also a fuzzy line between inaccessible, usable and so on. What may be > a bug or a point of inaccessibility to one person may just be a different way > of getting something done to another. > >> On 09/28/2013 04:14 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: >> I think that developers in the information tech realm have conditioned >> us to accept things that would not be acceptable in other arenas. If you >> bought a new car, and there were problems, that car would be considered >> a lemon, and you would even have some legal recourse, but tech users >> have been conditioned to just put up with it. >> Andy >> *From:* Cara Quinn <mailto:modelc...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:59 AM >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> Hi There, >> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and >> report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >> >> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be >> treated as such. >> >> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into >> free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >> >> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more >> generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent >> Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can >> change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a >> message that this is not acceptable to them. >> >> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something >> a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this >> software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard >> and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >> >> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right >> but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with >> respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy >> and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact >> with. >> >> I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to >> pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. >> >> Just my three cents. :) >> >> Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS > <mailto:bigbigshawn@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple >> Accessibility right away. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Mary, Creating a desire for new products is nothing new, it's been done by tooth brush makers and Pampers to vehicle makers and technology companies for the last 20 years. It's up to the consumer if he or he thinks they need that new product or not. Regards, Sieghard to vehicle manufacturers to -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I also think that the cycle of update is more dependent on profit than it is on actual need. They create markets for things that nobody really needs. Instead of fixing bugs and making things more stable, they create a market for something and try to make you wanted. It's absurd. But such is life in the 21st-century where looks are more important than fact on the ground. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I think there's something to what you say, but if you follow some of these applications and apps in the mainstream press and blogosphere, you'll find that sighted people can be pretty demanding as well. > > I don't think the problem is that developers have us trained like this. I think it's more that accessibility does add another layer of complexity. There's also a fuzzy line between inaccessible, usable and so on. What may be a bug or a point of inaccessibility to one person may just be a different way of getting something done to another. > > On 09/28/2013 04:14 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: >> I think that developers in the information tech realm have conditioned >> us to accept things that would not be acceptable in other arenas. If you >> bought a new car, and there were problems, that car would be considered >> a lemon, and you would even have some legal recourse, but tech users >> have been conditioned to just put up with it. >> Andy >> *From:* Cara Quinn <mailto:modelc...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:59 AM >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> Hi There, >> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and >> report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >> >> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be >> treated as such. >> >> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into >> free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >> >> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more >> generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent >> Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can >> change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a >> message that this is not acceptable to them. >> >> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something >> a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this >> software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard >> and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >> >> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right >> but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with >> respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy >> and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact >> with. >> >> I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to >> pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. >> >> Just my three cents. :) >> >> Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS > <mailto:bigbigshawn@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple >> Accessibility right away. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
You can't. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shamique Fenelus Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. yeah i need to get rid of this update myself! On Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:25:52 PM UTC-4, Teresa Cochran wrote: I'm still searching for a way to remove the download file. i have IoS 7, but I'm curious. I haven't found any solutions on google as of yet. Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
If your iPhone 4 is that slow, you might want to consider doing a factory restore using iTunes and set up your device as a new iPhone. . iiOS 7 should run just fine on an iPhone 4. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shamique Fenelus Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I have the 4 and its so slow/sluggish, and typing is slow.. its incredibly sad. hopefully in the nearest future, theres a way to downgrade. On Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:15:01 AM UTC-4, Daniel Miller wrote: Hello, For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come with some bad news. According to an article I'll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update to 7 automatically to devices that don't have 7 installed yet, with no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when downloaded. http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7- to-holdout-devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I think this is true, but I don't think it's absurd. In a lot of ways, you could say that Apple created the market for MP3 players and smart phones. I think that's just capitalism. Come up with a good idea and see if you can sell it to someone. No one had to buy an iPhone 5C or 5s. Sure Apple is pushing IOS 7, but they aren't making money on it,unless of course people are buying music through iTunes Radio, but that's another market Apple is getting into. Of course it's about profit. Apple, and most companies, are looking to make a profit. I think Apple would be in trouble if they just kept selling the iPhone 4S with IOS 5 on it. It isn't like Google and Samsung aren't coming out with new phones and new features in their products. On 09/28/2013 09:29 PM, Mary Otten wrote: I also think that the cycle of update is more dependent on profit than it is on actual need. They create markets for things that nobody really needs. Instead of fixing bugs and making things more stable, they create a market for something and try to make you wanted. It's absurd. But such is life in the 21st-century where looks are more important than fact on the ground. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I think there's something to what you say, but if you follow some of these applications and apps in the mainstream press and blogosphere, you'll find that sighted people can be pretty demanding as well. I don't think the problem is that developers have us trained like this. I think it's more that accessibility does add another layer of complexity. There's also a fuzzy line between inaccessible, usable and so on. What may be a bug or a point of inaccessibility to one person may just be a different way of getting something done to another. On 09/28/2013 04:14 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: I think that developers in the information tech realm have conditioned us to accept things that would not be acceptable in other arenas. If you bought a new car, and there were problems, that car would be considered a lemon, and you would even have some legal recourse, but tech users have been conditioned to just put up with it. Andy *From:* Cara Quinn <mailto:modelc...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:59 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi There, you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away." Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be treated as such. this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not acceptable to them. So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. Just my three cents. :) Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS mailto:bigbigshawn@gmail.com>> wrote: on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. I'm not wearing a diaper,
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Although my experience is with software, I think this definitely happens in other segments. An auto manufacturer doesn't skip a model year. They're under pressure to get their new model year cars out and out on time. All you have to do is do your research to buy a new car, and you'll find reviews that claim things should have been addressed in one car's model while others are not much of a change from the previous model year. I look at all of the hype surrounding Apple and the release of this new OS and these new phones. I really don't think you'd get this hype if you never had any clue when Apple would release it's new phones or it's new major software update. Companies build their reputation on delivering on their commitments, which includes meeting their release dates and hitting their schedules. Although schedules and release dates are important, quality is also important. I've seen applications and products slipped due to quality issues. I'm sure Apple would have held things up or taken some extreme measures if a bug was found that kept IOS from coming up after an install. On the other hand, Apple isn't going to miss their release date, and all of the hype and expectation, because someone found a typo in a dialog box at the last minute. This could easily be fixed in a subsequent update. these bugs are two extremes, but there are hundreds of bugs in between, and the line needs to be drawn somewhere. Also,Apple is only going to make ship or stop ship decisions based on the issues they're aware of. I think it's pretty clear that Apple wasn't aware of the security bug which caused them to release 7.0.2. It costs a lot to push a release out so soon after a major update, and they wouldn't have done it if they'd known about that bug before 7.0 was released. I suppose you could claim that Apple should have caught this bug in their code reviews or testing, but some of this testing just can't be automated, and it would take forever to test every possible combination. No sufficiently complex system or application will ever be perfect before it's shipped. All Apple or any company can do is look at the data and make the best business decision they can based on that data. On 09/29/2013 12:13 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I agree but, I don’t know if comparing a car or kitchen appliance works here. For example, If a feature on your fridge doesn’t work, may tag can’t just push an update to it in 2 weeks to fix the problem. And Cars need a higher level of tolerance because well, you can die or kill others. And even then, cars are released with features knowingly not ready, and they tell you to come into the dealership to have the feature fixed. I think if you wait for every bug to be squashed in an OS, we would probably still be using Windows 95, and no new features would be added because, new features cause more bugs. So then they need to be fixed. And on and on. Like most things in life its a balancing act. Few things are perfect. You just hope the new features out way the inconveniences. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote: Hi Cara, I couldn't agree with you more. The notion that it is "okay" to release software just because it is "time" is ridiculous. I know of no other segment in the economy we're such sloppiness would be permitted. You are surely correct that this is not just an Apple issue. Microsoft and Google are doing it and have been doing it for a long time. But it doesn't make it right. How would people feel if they bought an oven or a car or refrigerator and found out that some of the supposed features didn't work right? They would take it back to the store. There would be an outcry. But with software? No. You just have to live with it. One of the things about Apple products is that you pay more than you would for an equivalent PC or android device. The idea is that "it just works." Can't say that anymore. I have a new Mac with Mountain lion, and I have to say, it is more inconsistent than my old one with Snow Leopard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hi There, you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away." Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be treated as such. this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not acceptable to them. So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a bit
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, I agree but, I don’t know if comparing a car or kitchen appliance works here. For example, If a feature on your fridge doesn’t work, may tag can’t just push an update to it in 2 weeks to fix the problem. And Cars need a higher level of tolerance because well, you can die or kill others. And even then, cars are released with features knowingly not ready, and they tell you to come into the dealership to have the feature fixed. I think if you wait for every bug to be squashed in an OS, we would probably still be using Windows 95, and no new features would be added because, new features cause more bugs. So then they need to be fixed. And on and on. Like most things in life its a balancing act. Few things are perfect. You just hope the new features out way the inconveniences. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Cara, > I couldn't agree with you more. The notion that it is "okay" to release > software just because it is "time" is ridiculous. I know of no other segment > in the economy we're such sloppiness would be permitted. > You are surely correct that this is not just an Apple issue. Microsoft and > Google are doing it and have been doing it for a long time. But it doesn't > make it right. How would people feel if they bought an oven or a car or > refrigerator and found out that some of the supposed features didn't work > right? They would take it back to the store. There would be an outcry. But > with software? No. You just have to live with it. One of the things about > Apple products is that you pay more than you would for an equivalent PC or > android device. The idea is that "it just works." Can't say that anymore. > I have a new Mac with Mountain lion, and I have to say, it is more > inconsistent than my old one with Snow Leopard. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> Hi There, >> >> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and >> report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >> >> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be >> treated as such. >> >> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free >> beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >> >> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized >> software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the >> general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot >> escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not >> acceptable to them. >> >> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a >> bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this >> software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and >> voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >> >> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a >> privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple >> has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us >> so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. >> >> I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass >> your needs and desires along to the right folks. >> >> Just my three cents. :) >> >> Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: >> >> on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple >> Accessibility right away. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIP
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I have the 4 and its so slow/sluggish, and typing is slow.. its incredibly sad. hopefully in the nearest future, theres a way to downgrade. On Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:15:01 AM UTC-4, Daniel Miller wrote: > Hello, > > For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I > come with some bad news. > According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA > update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with > no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update > uses when downloaded. > > http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I also think that the cycle of update is more dependent on profit than it is on actual need. They create markets for things that nobody really needs. Instead of fixing bugs and making things more stable, they create a market for something and try to make you wanted. It's absurd. But such is life in the 21st-century where looks are more important than fact on the ground. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I think there's something to what you say, but if you follow some of these > applications and apps in the mainstream press and blogosphere, you'll find > that sighted people can be pretty demanding as well. > > I don't think the problem is that developers have us trained like this. I > think it's more that accessibility does add another layer of complexity. > There's also a fuzzy line between inaccessible, usable and so on. What may be > a bug or a point of inaccessibility to one person may just be a different way > of getting something done to another. > > On 09/28/2013 04:14 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: >> I think that developers in the information tech realm have conditioned >> us to accept things that would not be acceptable in other arenas. If you >> bought a new car, and there were problems, that car would be considered >> a lemon, and you would even have some legal recourse, but tech users >> have been conditioned to just put up with it. >> Andy >> *From:* Cara Quinn <mailto:modelc...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:59 AM >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> Hi There, >> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and >> report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >> >> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be >> treated as such. >> >> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into >> free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >> >> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more >> generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent >> Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can >> change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a >> message that this is not acceptable to them. >> >> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something >> a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this >> software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard >> and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >> >> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right >> but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with >> respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy >> and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact >> with. >> >> I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to >> pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. >> >> Just my three cents. :) >> >> Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS > <mailto:bigbigshawn@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple >> Accessibility right away. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to
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Hello from Dublin. I came upon your helpful discussion after I caught my iPhone downloading iOS7 in the background without my knowledge. I reckon David's information here is the most useful for those of us wanting to prevent the download for now, never mind the update. (I don't want the iOS7 on my phone yet because I find Reminders crashes on my iPad in iOS7 after editing a large entry). I reckon the key words in David's post are :" locked, plugged in, and on a wifi network", though I am not sure about the locked point, as I found the phone downloading when not locked. But I definitely found that it won't download if the unit is (a) not on power or (b) not on WiFi. So the simple way to prevent the download altogether is to turn Wifi off when charging. I also noticed that the download started from scratch after I powered the phone off and on again, which suggests it is removed by powering off, though I didn't check the phone capacity to confirm this. That may provide a way to save space for those of you with less capacity. Slán. On Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:18:08 AM UTC+1, David Chittenden wrote: > > Actually, this specifically fits into Apple's policy of It Just Works. The > new iOS is downloaded for you, no muss, no fuss, in the background, whilst > the unit is locked, plugged in, and on a wifi network. Therefore, you do > not need to worry about such things as how often should you check for > updates. When it is ready, you are notified so you can decide whether to > upgrade now or wait until later. It Just Works. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Cara, I couldn't agree with you more. The notion that it is "okay" to release software just because it is "time" is ridiculous. I know of no other segment in the economy we're such sloppiness would be permitted. You are surely correct that this is not just an Apple issue. Microsoft and Google are doing it and have been doing it for a long time. But it doesn't make it right. How would people feel if they bought an oven or a car or refrigerator and found out that some of the supposed features didn't work right? They would take it back to the store. There would be an outcry. But with software? No. You just have to live with it. One of the things about Apple products is that you pay more than you would for an equivalent PC or android device. The idea is that "it just works." Can't say that anymore. I have a new Mac with Mountain lion, and I have to say, it is more inconsistent than my old one with Snow Leopard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Hi There, > > you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and > report them to Apple Accessibility right away." > > Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be > treated as such. > > this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free > beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. > > Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized > software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the > general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot > escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not > acceptable to them. > > So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a > bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this > software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and > voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. > > I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a > privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple > has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us so > use it and thank the people you come into contact with. > > I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass > your needs and desires along to the right folks. > > Just my three cents. :) > > Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, > > Cara :) > On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: > > on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility > right away. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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yeah i need to get rid of this update myself! On Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:25:52 PM UTC-4, Teresa Cochran wrote: > > I'm still searching for a way to remove the download file. i have IoS 7, > but I'm curious. I haven't found any solutions on google as of yet. > > Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I think there's something to what you say, but if you follow some of these applications and apps in the mainstream press and blogosphere, you'll find that sighted people can be pretty demanding as well. I don't think the problem is that developers have us trained like this. I think it's more that accessibility does add another layer of complexity. There's also a fuzzy line between inaccessible, usable and so on. What may be a bug or a point of inaccessibility to one person may just be a different way of getting something done to another. On 09/28/2013 04:14 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: I think that developers in the information tech realm have conditioned us to accept things that would not be acceptable in other arenas. If you bought a new car, and there were problems, that car would be considered a lemon, and you would even have some legal recourse, but tech users have been conditioned to just put up with it. Andy *From:* Cara Quinn <mailto:modelc...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:59 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi There, you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away." Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be treated as such. this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not acceptable to them. So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. Just my three cents. :) Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS mailto:bigbigshawn@gmail.com>> wrote: on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing vipho
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I think that developers in the information tech realm have conditioned us to accept things that would not be acceptable in other arenas. If you bought a new car, and there were problems, that car would be considered a lemon, and you would even have some legal recourse, but tech users have been conditioned to just put up with it. Andy From: Cara Quinn Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi There, you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away." Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be treated as such. this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not acceptable to them. So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. Just my three cents. :) Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
You may be right. All of my experience is with operating systems and firmware. We've always had a QA plan, but with slips in development schedules (both software and hardware) the test or QA schedule is always pushed up against the release date wall. I've never been part of a test team or worked with a test team that didn't want as much time to test the product as possible. The only time I've seen test teams not test right up to the release date and beyond is when they need to move on to the next product. Any issue found in house, even if it's the day after a release, will be cheaper to fix than an issue that gets reported by a customer. Note, this testing done at the very end is not feature testing. It's regression and stress testing. I know it seems like this is a trend, but I actually don't think it's much different now than it was 20 years ago. The tough decisions and the war rooms existed then just as they do today. It is getting harder though as operating systems and products get more and more complicated. The test matrix becomes larger and larger and impossible to cover completely. IMHO, the days of a water fall process, where you can thoroughly test everything weeks before a product is released are behind us. We need to realize how complicated things are to test and come up with new methodologies and technologies to allow us to get products out quickly while still ensuring quality. I think changes like Agile/Lean and Continuous Integration/continuous Deployment (CICD) are steps in the right direction. Unfortunately, this does make customers part of the development and test process, which I know you don't agree with. Hopefully, the trade off though is getting fixes to reported problems out a lot more quickly. I don't mean to argue or disagree with you. My intent is just to offer another opinion and share some of my own experiences. IMHO, it's an interesting and thought provoking discussion. On 09/28/2013 01:18 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Chris, it's not always true that issues are being reported up to a release date. This depends heavily on the type of software, the complexity of course, as well as the corporate image / culture of the company doing the releasing. I think delaying a release until after a clean QA period is completed is in some sense, a luxury for larger companies but I think it's also a paradigm worth pursuing. This is sort of the crux of what I'm saying. This may seem like a luxury but to me at least, it's a necessity. -Or at least should be viewed as such. It may seem outdated in the kind of environment we're living in right now but I do think it's helpful. Oh, and just to add a bit to my earlier note about the idea of the general user population being adopted as free beta testers, just let me add that, as I've said many times before, the Apple staff who deal with developing VoiceOver and deal with issues with it are (at least in my experience) very passionate about what they do. They will not knowingly let accessibility issues go out unsolved if they can possibly do anything about them. My note was just to say that I feel there is a disturbing trend happening in the general software market. Not saying this is necessarily intentional but I do feel that an early course correction is helpful. :) Again, just my thoughts and thanks for such a great thread! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Testers, both internal and beta, are testing right up to the release date. Issues are being reported constantly, and that's even more true for something as complicated as an operating system like IOS. I'm sure Apple is looking at the list of open issues, ranking them by severity, and determining which ones have to be resolved before the release date and which can be resolved later. There's no way Apple, or any company, could get every reported issue at every severity fixed before the release date. I agree things like customer satisfaction is effected when issues are found in the field, but customer satisfaction is also effected by constantly pushing out the release date. Business decisions, like first to market, a big splash with marketing, lining the OS release up with a hardware release and so on, also play into these decisions. I think you're absolutely right that releasing on time is paramount. Apple won't postpone revenue by delaying the release of IOS and a new set of iPhones. I know Apple pushed back their new phone releases from the summer to the fall a few years ago, but I doubt this had to do with issues found in the software. On 09/28/2013 11:08 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: For myself, I take this to mean that rather than letting apps go out that had 'allowable issues' the releases would be held until all of the known issues would be fixed, or at least it seemed that way. :) Obviously there will always be situations that will come up that reveal bugs but I do think the emphasis n
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Chris, it's not always true that issues are being reported up to a release date. This depends heavily on the type of software, the complexity of course, as well as the corporate image / culture of the company doing the releasing. I think delaying a release until after a clean QA period is completed is in some sense, a luxury for larger companies but I think it's also a paradigm worth pursuing. This is sort of the crux of what I'm saying. This may seem like a luxury but to me at least, it's a necessity. -Or at least should be viewed as such. It may seem outdated in the kind of environment we're living in right now but I do think it's helpful. Oh, and just to add a bit to my earlier note about the idea of the general user population being adopted as free beta testers, just let me add that, as I've said many times before, the Apple staff who deal with developing VoiceOver and deal with issues with it are (at least in my experience) very passionate about what they do. They will not knowingly let accessibility issues go out unsolved if they can possibly do anything about them. My note was just to say that I feel there is a disturbing trend happening in the general software market. Not saying this is necessarily intentional but I do feel that an early course correction is helpful. :) Again, just my thoughts and thanks for such a great thread! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Testers, both internal and beta, are testing right up to the release date. Issues are being reported constantly, and that's even more true for something as complicated as an operating system like IOS. I'm sure Apple is looking at the list of open issues, ranking them by severity, and determining which ones have to be resolved before the release date and which can be resolved later. There's no way Apple, or any company, could get every reported issue at every severity fixed before the release date. I agree things like customer satisfaction is effected when issues are found in the field, but customer satisfaction is also effected by constantly pushing out the release date. Business decisions, like first to market, a big splash with marketing, lining the OS release up with a hardware release and so on, also play into these decisions. I think you're absolutely right that releasing on time is paramount. Apple won't postpone revenue by delaying the release of IOS and a new set of iPhones. I know Apple pushed back their new phone releases from the summer to the fall a few years ago, but I doubt this had to do with issues found in the software. On 09/28/2013 11:08 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > For myself, I take this to mean that rather than letting apps go out that had > 'allowable issues' the releases would be held until all of the known issues > would be fixed, or at least it seemed that way. :) > > Obviously there will always be situations that will come up that reveal bugs > but I do think the emphasis now is on releasing on a schedule rather than > releasing after all known issues are taken care of. > > Just my thoughts… > > thanks and have a great day! > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > I wonder what you mean by "How I long for the days when programs had to be > tight and debugging was completed before product release." I don't recall > such days. I've been using computers since the 80's, and I don't recall a > time when programs didn't ship with bugs. How many dot versions were there > for DOS 3.0? Unless you're writing HelloWorld, or have an infinite amount of > time to review code and test, you always have had and you always will have > bugs, at least in programming as we know it today. > > On 09/28/2013 03:15 AM, eric oyen wrote: >> you know what? I have some cheese (extra sharp cheddar) to go with that >> whine. :) >> >> Normally, I don't post much as I am a fast learner. However, today I got >> saddled with several problems demanding a priority all at the same time. >> >> How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging was >> completed before product release. >> >> -eric >> >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: >> >>> It's kinda stupid that all I'm reading on this list is people crying about >>> Apple forcing people to upgrade to iOS7. Get over it. Seriously! If you >>> don't like how Apple does things, then go to Android. As for me, I love >>> iOS7 and I haven't ran into any of the bugs that people speak of on this >>> list. My Voiceover runs smoothly, I love the new Siri voices although I >>> wish we could use them with Voiceover, and I like how Voiceover is using >>> the new Vocalizer Expressive engine. I love iOS 7 and when Mavericks comes >>> out next month for my Mac I'll probably upgrade that too unless the rumors >>> are true that I need 8 gigs of ram for it to run properly. And I know there >>> will be bugs with that OS but I'm not scared o
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Testers, both internal and beta, are testing right up to the release date. Issues are being reported constantly, and that's even more true for something as complicated as an operating system like IOS. I'm sure Apple is looking at the list of open issues, ranking them by severity, and determining which ones have to be resolved before the release date and which can be resolved later. There's no way Apple, or any company, could get every reported issue at every severity fixed before the release date. I agree things like customer satisfaction is effected when issues are found in the field, but customer satisfaction is also effected by constantly pushing out the release date. Business decisions, like first to market, a big splash with marketing, lining the OS release up with a hardware release and so on, also play into these decisions. I think you're absolutely right that releasing on time is paramount. Apple won't postpone revenue by delaying the release of IOS and a new set of iPhones. I know Apple pushed back their new phone releases from the summer to the fall a few years ago, but I doubt this had to do with issues found in the software. On 09/28/2013 11:08 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: For myself, I take this to mean that rather than letting apps go out that had 'allowable issues' the releases would be held until all of the known issues would be fixed, or at least it seemed that way. :) Obviously there will always be situations that will come up that reveal bugs but I do think the emphasis now is on releasing on a schedule rather than releasing after all known issues are taken care of. Just my thoughts… thanks and have a great day! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I wonder what you mean by "How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging was completed before product release." I don't recall such days. I've been using computers since the 80's, and I don't recall a time when programs didn't ship with bugs. How many dot versions were there for DOS 3.0? Unless you're writing HelloWorld, or have an infinite amount of time to review code and test, you always have had and you always will have bugs, at least in programming as we know it today. On 09/28/2013 03:15 AM, eric oyen wrote: you know what? I have some cheese (extra sharp cheddar) to go with that whine. :) Normally, I don't post much as I am a fast learner. However, today I got saddled with several problems demanding a priority all at the same time. How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging was completed before product release. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: It's kinda stupid that all I'm reading on this list is people crying about Apple forcing people to upgrade to iOS7. Get over it. Seriously! If you don't like how Apple does things, then go to Android. As for me, I love iOS7 and I haven't ran into any of the bugs that people speak of on this list. My Voiceover runs smoothly, I love the new Siri voices although I wish we could use them with Voiceover, and I like how Voiceover is using the new Vocalizer Expressive engine. I love iOS 7 and when Mavericks comes out next month for my Mac I'll probably upgrade that too unless the rumors are true that I need 8 gigs of ram for it to run properly. And I know there will be bugs with that OS but I'm not scared of bugs. Somewhat annoyed, but not scared. I think what I'm trying to say is that there will be bugs on any OS on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. Shawn -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
For myself, I take this to mean that rather than letting apps go out that had 'allowable issues' the releases would be held until all of the known issues would be fixed, or at least it seemed that way. :) Obviously there will always be situations that will come up that reveal bugs but I do think the emphasis now is on releasing on a schedule rather than releasing after all known issues are taken care of. Just my thoughts… thanks and have a great day! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I wonder what you mean by "How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging was completed before product release." I don't recall such days. I've been using computers since the 80's, and I don't recall a time when programs didn't ship with bugs. How many dot versions were there for DOS 3.0? Unless you're writing HelloWorld, or have an infinite amount of time to review code and test, you always have had and you always will have bugs, at least in programming as we know it today. On 09/28/2013 03:15 AM, eric oyen wrote: > you know what? I have some cheese (extra sharp cheddar) to go with that > whine. :) > > Normally, I don't post much as I am a fast learner. However, today I got > saddled with several problems demanding a priority all at the same time. > > How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging was > completed before product release. > > -eric > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: > >> It's kinda stupid that all I'm reading on this list is people crying about >> Apple forcing people to upgrade to iOS7. Get over it. Seriously! If you >> don't like how Apple does things, then go to Android. As for me, I love iOS7 >> and I haven't ran into any of the bugs that people speak of on this list. My >> Voiceover runs smoothly, I love the new Siri voices although I wish we could >> use them with Voiceover, and I like how Voiceover is using the new Vocalizer >> Expressive engine. I love iOS 7 and when Mavericks comes out next month for >> my Mac I'll probably upgrade that too unless the rumors are true that I need >> 8 gigs of ram for it to run properly. And I know there will be bugs with >> that OS but I'm not scared of bugs. Somewhat annoyed, but not scared. I >> think what I'm trying to say is that there will be bugs on any OS on any >> device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right >> away. >> >> Shawn > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi There, you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away." Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be treated as such. this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not acceptable to them. So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. Just my three cents. :) Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, Cara :) On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
David, in the first post about IOS-7, I thought Apple was just pushing it into the phone. I then went and checked and 7.02 was sitting there. That is when I understood. Yes, do not know how long they have been doing this, but I recognized what was going on. Actually quite a good thing in my opinion. You either take it or leave it. Learning quickly to be careful with what is written on the internetff" reggie and Allegra On Sep 28, 2013, at 3:13 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Considering that this feature has been in place since iOS 5, I am surprised by the vitriolic responses. When Apple first added this feature, it was publicised as something like, Apple is now making it much easier for users to upgrade their iPhones. Well, these responses demonstrate very well how much people are not aware of what their iOS devices are doing behind the scenes. And wow, so many are having such a strong reaction to a very emotionally slanted article. It makes for an excellent sociological study of how people are influenced. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Sep 2013, at 5:35, Mary Otten wrote: > > I'm on, > I couldn't agree with you more. I am curious what the big feature in iOS 7 is > that convinced you to upgrade. > I myself have not upgraded I don't want to upgrade right now. I have a less > buggy iOS 6 that works for me. And I am so angry at Apple that if I didn't > dislike android so much, this stupid move on their part would be enough to > make me switch over to the other platform. The Sendero upgrade for the GPS > that works on iOS 7 is not yet out. I am pretty sure there are some other > apps that also have yet to be upgraded. It is arrogant and controlling beyond > belief that Apple should force a download onto anybody. What in gods name are > they thinking? I know this sounds strong, and I suppose it is. But really > Apple you are going to far this time. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Aman Singer wrote: >> >> Hi, Chris and all. >> I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I >> neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and >> dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has >> one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier >> than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated. >> I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading >> the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program >> because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or >> other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file. >> This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the >> megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep >> space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to >> upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an >> unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over >> it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is, >> therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be >> avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may >> have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7. >> I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which >> are excellent. >> Aman >> >>> On 9/26/13, Chris H wrote: >>> I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good >>> move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial >>> releases of software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will >>> only improve not worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but >>> I cope with them and they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of >>> us on here, as well as some of the general public, do not like change. >>> Well it's what it is so deal with it. And that's not me being harsh; >>> that's me being realistic. >>> On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote: Hello, For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come with some bad news. According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when downloaded. http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >>> Group. >>> >>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> >>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I wonder what you mean by "How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging was completed before product release." I don't recall such days. I've been using computers since the 80's, and I don't recall a time when programs didn't ship with bugs. How many dot versions were there for DOS 3.0? Unless you're writing HelloWorld, or have an infinite amount of time to review code and test, you always have had and you always will have bugs, at least in programming as we know it today. On 09/28/2013 03:15 AM, eric oyen wrote: you know what? I have some cheese (extra sharp cheddar) to go with that whine. :) Normally, I don't post much as I am a fast learner. However, today I got saddled with several problems demanding a priority all at the same time. How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging was completed before product release. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: It's kinda stupid that all I'm reading on this list is people crying about Apple forcing people to upgrade to iOS7. Get over it. Seriously! If you don't like how Apple does things, then go to Android. As for me, I love iOS7 and I haven't ran into any of the bugs that people speak of on this list. My Voiceover runs smoothly, I love the new Siri voices although I wish we could use them with Voiceover, and I like how Voiceover is using the new Vocalizer Expressive engine. I love iOS 7 and when Mavericks comes out next month for my Mac I'll probably upgrade that too unless the rumors are true that I need 8 gigs of ram for it to run properly. And I know there will be bugs with that OS but I'm not scared of bugs. Somewhat annoyed, but not scared. I think what I'm trying to say is that there will be bugs on any OS on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. Shawn -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Turning off iTunes when Connecting Device, Was Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
that was where I thought it might be. I can't get to that app right now as I am uploading a video to youtube. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:17 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Ok, I'm using a Mac, so not sure if your mileage will vary. It's in the > summary tab of the ipod area in devices in the source list. It says "open > iTunes when this iPod is connected, and it's a checkbox. > > Hth, > Teresa > On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen wrote: > >> I tried finding it in the settings for the app itself on the phone. Looks >> like I will have to go into the desktop app to change this. >> >> -eric >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >>> In your phone settings in Itunes, there's a setting to open Itunes when you >>> plug it in. You can switch this off. I'm not quite sure where this setting >>> is; either in the device scroll area or preferences for the desktop >>> version.. >>> >>> HtH, >>> Teresa >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Turning off iTunes when Connecting Device, Was Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Ok, I'm using a Mac, so not sure if your mileage will vary. It's in the summary tab of the ipod area in devices in the source list. It says "open iTunes when this iPod is connected, and it's a checkbox. Hth, Teresa On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen wrote: > I tried finding it in the settings for the app itself on the phone. Looks > like I will have to go into the desktop app to change this. > > -eric > On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> In your phone settings in Itunes, there's a setting to open Itunes when you >> plug it in. You can switch this off. I'm not quite sure where this setting >> is; either in the device scroll area or preferences for the desktop version.. >> >> HtH, >> Teresa >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
you know what? I have some cheese (extra sharp cheddar) to go with that whine. :) Normally, I don't post much as I am a fast learner. However, today I got saddled with several problems demanding a priority all at the same time. How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging was completed before product release. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS wrote: > It's kinda stupid that all I'm reading on this list is people crying about > Apple forcing people to upgrade to iOS7. Get over it. Seriously! If you don't > like how Apple does things, then go to Android. As for me, I love iOS7 and I > haven't ran into any of the bugs that people speak of on this list. My > Voiceover runs smoothly, I love the new Siri voices although I wish we could > use them with Voiceover, and I like how Voiceover is using the new Vocalizer > Expressive engine. I love iOS 7 and when Mavericks comes out next month for > my Mac I'll probably upgrade that too unless the rumors are true that I need > 8 gigs of ram for it to run properly. And I know there will be bugs with that > OS but I'm not scared of bugs. Somewhat annoyed, but not scared. I think what > I'm trying to say is that there will be bugs on any OS on any device. Our job > is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. > > Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
It's kinda stupid that all I'm reading on this list is people crying about Apple forcing people to upgrade to iOS7. Get over it. Seriously! If you don't like how Apple does things, then go to Android. As for me, I love iOS7 and I haven't ran into any of the bugs that people speak of on this list. My Voiceover runs smoothly, I love the new Siri voices although I wish we could use them with Voiceover, and I like how Voiceover is using the new Vocalizer Expressive engine. I love iOS 7 and when Mavericks comes out next month for my Mac I'll probably upgrade that too unless the rumors are true that I need 8 gigs of ram for it to run properly. And I know there will be bugs with that OS but I'm not scared of bugs. Somewhat annoyed, but not scared. I think what I'm trying to say is that there will be bugs on any OS on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I tried finding it in the settings for the app itself on the phone. Looks like I will have to go into the desktop app to change this. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > In your phone settings in Itunes, there's a setting to open Itunes when you > plug it in. You can switch this off. I'm not quite sure where this setting > is; either in the device scroll area or preferences for the desktop version.. > > HtH, > Teresa > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
In your phone settings in Itunes, there's a setting to open Itunes when you plug it in. You can switch this off. I'm not quite sure where this setting is; either in the device scroll area or preferences for the desktop version.. HtH, Teresa On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:24 AM, eric oyen wrote: > The download in the background feature isn't a problem for me. I limit the > phones data to available wi-fi only. > > What pisses me off is that itunes won't go away when I plug the phone into my > macbook. It pops up a dialog asking if I want to update my iPhone. I check > the box "don't ask again" and then choose the later button (there is no don't > install button). Then I quit iTunes only to have it restart the application 2 > minutes later and ask me to update my phone. That wouldn't be so bad IF > iTunes wouldn't grab focus and interrupt what I am doing in the current app. > > I quit iTunes again only to have it repeat the above. That is unacceptable > application behavior. This started happening after the latest update of > iTunes. So……. I am not happy with how Apple is doing things. > > -eric > On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:13 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > >> Considering that this feature has been in place since iOS 5, I am surprised >> by the vitriolic responses. When Apple first added this feature, it was >> publicised as something like, Apple is now making it much easier for users >> to upgrade their iPhones. >> >> Well, these responses demonstrate very well how much people are not aware of >> what their iOS devices are doing behind the scenes. And wow, so many are >> having such a strong reaction to a very emotionally slanted article. It >> makes for an excellent sociological study of how people are influenced. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Ok, I wasn't aware of the download happening automagically. I can live with that, as I have plenty of room, and it's actually a moot point for me in particular, as I've already installed. I think the word "forced" in the subject line of this thread gave this topic a bit of an emotional spin. Teresa On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: > For those who have not owned an IOS device since the release of IOS 5 of > course would not have any knowledge of how upgrades are handled. I think a > bit of a surprise is normal, but I also think the rage posted on here is not > normal since the upgrade does nothing to interfere with daily use of an > iDevice. Just my opinion, ok? > > The literature on influence and persuasion is not new and is well > documented. I will say I found it one of the most interesting fields of > study in the social sciences. > > Joseph > > - Original Message - > From: "David Chittenden" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > > Considering that this feature has been in place since iOS 5, I am surprised > by the vitriolic responses. When Apple first added this feature, it was > publicised as something like, Apple is now making it much easier for users > to upgrade their iPhones. > > Well, these responses demonstrate very well how much people are not aware of > what their iOS devices are doing behind the scenes. And wow, so many are > having such a strong reaction to a very emotionally slanted article. It > makes for an excellent sociological study of how people are influenced. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 27 Sep 2013, at 5:35, Mary Otten wrote: >> >> I'm on, >> I couldn't agree with you more. I am curious what the big feature in iOS 7 >> is that convinced you to upgrade. >> I myself have not upgraded I don't want to upgrade right now. I have a >> less buggy iOS 6 that works for me. And I am so angry at Apple that if I >> didn't dislike android so much, this stupid move on their part would be >> enough to make me switch over to the other platform. The Sendero upgrade >> for the GPS that works on iOS 7 is not yet out. I am pretty sure there are >> some other apps that also have yet to be upgraded. It is arrogant and >> controlling beyond belief that Apple should force a download onto anybody. >> What in gods name are they thinking? I know this sounds strong, and I >> suppose it is. But really Apple you are going to far this time. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Aman Singer wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Chris and all. >>> I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I >>> neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and >>> dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has >>> one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier >>> than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated. >>> I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading >>> the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program >>> because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or >>> other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file. >>> This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the >>> megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep >>> space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to >>> upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an >>> unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over >>> it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is, >>> therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be >>> avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may >>> have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7. >>> I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which >>> are excellent. >>> Aman >>> >>>> On 9/26/13, Chris H wrote: >>>> I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good >>>> move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial >>>> releases of software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will >>>&g
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
For those who have not owned an IOS device since the release of IOS 5 of course would not have any knowledge of how upgrades are handled. I think a bit of a surprise is normal, but I also think the rage posted on here is not normal since the upgrade does nothing to interfere with daily use of an iDevice. Just my opinion, ok? The literature on influence and persuasion is not new and is well documented. I will say I found it one of the most interesting fields of study in the social sciences. Joseph - Original Message - From: "David Chittenden" To: Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Considering that this feature has been in place since iOS 5, I am surprised by the vitriolic responses. When Apple first added this feature, it was publicised as something like, Apple is now making it much easier for users to upgrade their iPhones. Well, these responses demonstrate very well how much people are not aware of what their iOS devices are doing behind the scenes. And wow, so many are having such a strong reaction to a very emotionally slanted article. It makes for an excellent sociological study of how people are influenced. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Sep 2013, at 5:35, Mary Otten wrote: > > I'm on, > I couldn't agree with you more. I am curious what the big feature in iOS 7 > is that convinced you to upgrade. > I myself have not upgraded I don't want to upgrade right now. I have a > less buggy iOS 6 that works for me. And I am so angry at Apple that if I > didn't dislike android so much, this stupid move on their part would be > enough to make me switch over to the other platform. The Sendero upgrade > for the GPS that works on iOS 7 is not yet out. I am pretty sure there are > some other apps that also have yet to be upgraded. It is arrogant and > controlling beyond belief that Apple should force a download onto anybody. > What in gods name are they thinking? I know this sounds strong, and I > suppose it is. But really Apple you are going to far this time. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Aman Singer wrote: >> >> Hi, Chris and all. >> I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I >> neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and >> dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has >> one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier >> than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated. >> I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading >> the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program >> because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or >> other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file. >> This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the >> megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep >> space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to >> upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an >> unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over >> it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is, >> therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be >> avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may >> have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7. >> I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which >> are excellent. >> Aman >> >>> On 9/26/13, Chris H wrote: >>> I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good >>> move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial >>> releases of software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will >>> only improve not worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but >>> I cope with them and they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of >>> us on here, as well as some of the general public, do not like change. >>> Well it's what it is so deal with it. And that's not me being harsh; >>> that's me being realistic. >>> >>>> On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I >>>> come with some bad news. >>>> According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA >>>> update to 7 automatically to
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
The download in the background feature isn't a problem for me. I limit the phones data to available wi-fi only. What pisses me off is that itunes won't go away when I plug the phone into my macbook. It pops up a dialog asking if I want to update my iPhone. I check the box "don't ask again" and then choose the later button (there is no don't install button). Then I quit iTunes only to have it restart the application 2 minutes later and ask me to update my phone. That wouldn't be so bad IF iTunes wouldn't grab focus and interrupt what I am doing in the current app. I quit iTunes again only to have it repeat the above. That is unacceptable application behavior. This started happening after the latest update of iTunes. So……. I am not happy with how Apple is doing things. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:13 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > Considering that this feature has been in place since iOS 5, I am surprised > by the vitriolic responses. When Apple first added this feature, it was > publicised as something like, Apple is now making it much easier for users to > upgrade their iPhones. > > Well, these responses demonstrate very well how much people are not aware of > what their iOS devices are doing behind the scenes. And wow, so many are > having such a strong reaction to a very emotionally slanted article. It makes > for an excellent sociological study of how people are influenced. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Actually, this specifically fits into Apple's policy of It Just Works. The new iOS is downloaded for you, no muss, no fuss, in the background, whilst the unit is locked, plugged in, and on a wifi network. Therefore, you do not need to worry about such things as how often should you check for updates. When it is ready, you are notified so you can decide whether to upgrade now or wait until later. It Just Works. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Sep 2013, at 15:04, Mary Otten wrote: > > Raul, > There is a huge difference when you're looking at a 32 or 16 GB I device > versus a Windows or a Mac PC with many many megabytes gigabytes or even maybe > terabytes of space. This is just wrong. I have 4 GB left on my iPhone. And > when this unwanted download comes on, it's going to leave me with something > around 1 1/2 left. That is a problem. > One of the things that Apple used to pride itself on his "it just works." > Given what I've heard about iOS 7 and voiceover, I don't think they're living > up to their reputation. We pay a lot more for this hardware and put up with > the "walled garden" because it is supposed to offer a superior experience. > This is not an example of a superior experience. Quite honestly, this is more > like what I would expect from the wild West in Google land, where it's > incredibly fragmented, and excess ability is catch as catch can, and it's a > mess. I don't pay big bucks to expect this kind of treatment from the company. > Mary experience. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" >> wrote: >> >> Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded also >> disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded without your >> permission? What about those who are more technically challenged and would >> welcome this because it makes the process easier? >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos >> Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's under >> CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper >> Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
It will not install itself, ever. It is up to the user to install the software upgrade. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Sep 2013, at 9:25, Dan Murphy wrote: > > Well my GF didn't even actively download the update. It just said "settings, > 1 item. When we looked, we discovered that it had been downloaded at some > point, perhaps when her phone was idle. I wonder how much longer it would > have just sat there before it went ahead and installed itself. Apple should > be a bit more careful doing stuff like that to people. > > SENT FROM MY IPHONE > > >> On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Teresa Cochran >> wrote: >> >> I have no problem with legacy software not being supported after a time. >> It's the extra space that automatically-downloaded stuff takes up on the >> device that makes me a bit uncomfortable. As i pointed out somewhere else, I >> first had to download IoS7 and then install it. There was no "automatic" >> factor in my experience. however, if folks are getting automatic 3-gig >> downloads without asking for them, then it leads me to wonder if there's a >> setting that one could disable for doing this. >> >> Teresa >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain >>> wrote: >>> >>> except you're not actually being forced to update Windows XP. You can run >>> it forever, you just won't get support from Microsoft for it. I don't think >>> that's unreasonable since XP is so old and MS has released three major >>> operating system versions since XP. Also, you were still getting support >>> and updates for XP after Vista was released, after Windows 7 was released >>> and even after Windows 8 was released. I still think it's a bad comparison, >>> but that's just my opinion, and I don't expect to change anyone's mind, so >>> I'll shut up about it. >>> >>>> On 09/26/2013 02:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I think its a decent comparison since desktop OS’s don’t update nearly the >>>> speed of a Mobile OS. And either way, the feeling is the same. That’s >>>> what the issue really is here. Your hand being forced to adopt a >>>> technology you might not really want. >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>> >>>>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Quite a few people are upset with Microsoft for dropping support of >>>>> windows XP. Also, Microsoft dropping support for an operating system over >>>>> a decade old is not the same issue as Apple pushing out an OS that's only >>>>> a few days old to everyone's iPhone. Note that I don't have a problem >>>>> with Apple; I'm just pointing out that this is not a good comparison. >>>>> >>>>>> On 09/26/2013 02:19 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: >>>>>> I agree with Ricardo. I don't hear people bashing Microsoft for not >>>>>> supporting Windows XP in the next few months or other old software. >>>>>> Also most apps have been updated to work with IOS 7. Finally if you >>>>>> consider the traffic regarding bugs and questions a large part exists >>>>>> because people don't read others email which has already answered >>>>>> their question. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to update since >>>>>> overall IOS 7 is better but that's a matter of choice. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/26/13, Sean Paul wrote: >>>>>>> Nicely done Mr. Walker... Couldn't have said it better myself. Life is >>>>>>> life >>>>>>> >>>>>>> & we've gotta live it. We'll be forced to do things we don't want to do >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> Apple, the Government, Microsoft, our neighborhoods, etc. >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> From: "Ricardo Walker" >>>>>>> To: "viphone" >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 15:10 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrad
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Considering that this feature has been in place since iOS 5, I am surprised by the vitriolic responses. When Apple first added this feature, it was publicised as something like, Apple is now making it much easier for users to upgrade their iPhones. Well, these responses demonstrate very well how much people are not aware of what their iOS devices are doing behind the scenes. And wow, so many are having such a strong reaction to a very emotionally slanted article. It makes for an excellent sociological study of how people are influenced. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Sep 2013, at 5:35, Mary Otten wrote: > > I'm on, > I couldn't agree with you more. I am curious what the big feature in iOS 7 is > that convinced you to upgrade. > I myself have not upgraded I don't want to upgrade right now. I have a less > buggy iOS 6 that works for me. And I am so angry at Apple that if I didn't > dislike android so much, this stupid move on their part would be enough to > make me switch over to the other platform. The Sendero upgrade for the GPS > that works on iOS 7 is not yet out. I am pretty sure there are some other > apps that also have yet to be upgraded. It is arrogant and controlling beyond > belief that Apple should force a download onto anybody. What in gods name are > they thinking? I know this sounds strong, and I suppose it is. But really > Apple you are going to far this time. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Aman Singer wrote: >> >> Hi, Chris and all. >> I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I >> neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and >> dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has >> one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier >> than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated. >> I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading >> the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program >> because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or >> other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file. >> This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the >> megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep >> space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to >> upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an >> unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over >> it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is, >> therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be >> avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may >> have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7. >> I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which >> are excellent. >> Aman >> >>> On 9/26/13, Chris H wrote: >>> I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good >>> move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial >>> releases of software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will >>> only improve not worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but >>> I cope with them and they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of >>> us on here, as well as some of the general public, do not like change. >>> Well it's what it is so deal with it. And that's not me being harsh; >>> that's me being realistic. >>> On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote: Hello, For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come with some bad news. According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when downloaded. http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >>> Group. >>> >>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> >>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/g
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, I just updated the iPad mini without the plug, not intentionally mind you but it actually did not nag me, just did the update and when it turned back on I noticed the cord was not thee. My only luck for a very long time, LOL -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. When the device is downloading the update in the background, it does not necessarily download in one massive spirt. Instead, it breaks up the download in to small bits and can take up to days to complete the download. As I understand, the upgrade download also only occurs when the iDevice is plugged in, locked, and on a wifi network. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Sep 2013, at 5:12, Aman Singer wrote: > > Hi, Chris and all. > I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I > neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and > dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has > one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier > than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated. > I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading > the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program > because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or > other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file. > This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the > megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep > space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to > upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an > unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over > it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is, > therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be > avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may > have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7. > I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which > are excellent. > Aman > >> On 9/26/13, Chris H wrote: >> I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good >> move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial >> releases of software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will >> only improve not worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but >> I cope with them and they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of >> us on here, as well as some of the general public, do not like change. >> Well it's what it is so deal with it. And that's not me being harsh; >> that's me being realistic. >> >>> On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I >>> come with some bad news. >>> According to an article I'll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA >>> update to 7 automatically to devices that don't have 7 installed yet, with >>> no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update >>> uses when downloaded. >>> http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7- to-holdout-devices >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googl
RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I don't disable my updates, but never have I had windows 8 automatically download on my windows 7 system. Windows 7 wasn't downloaded onto my vista system either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aman Singer Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Raul. You ask Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded > also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded > without your permission? I certainly do, I use Windows and Microsoft is well-known for beta testing their updates on the unfortunate users who have automatic updates enabled. I do updates manually only, and usually some time after they're released. This, of course, is more necessary with a mobile device with their comparitively smaller storage. As for making the update easier, Apple's strategy here actually doesn't, it just makes it takes less time at the point of use. Technical and non-technical users benefit from that equally, I believe, and the benefit to some users is bought at the cost of difficulties for others. These difficulties won't, as I said to david, bounce on to Apple, but that doesn't mean they're not there. Aman On 9/26/13, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded > also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded > without your permission? What about those who are more technically > challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier? > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's > under CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Mary, I will be the first to say their are bugs. But I honestly don’t think there is anymore or any less bugs than what is usually found in the first release of any major IOS update. 95% of the time, at least for me, IOS 7 does indeed just work. I admit, I’m not a Braille user, so I can’t comment on any of those bugs. But the speech related stuff, I really haven’t found anything earth shattering or, something I don’t believe will be fixed in the near future. I think sometimes not trying something and just going on the reviews of others might understate or overstate problems. Its like a person telling you how good or bad a movie is, in my opinion. The things they do or don’t like in the movie are indeed there but, those same things you might find to be a minor inconvenience or trivial. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Raul, > There is a huge difference when you're looking at a 32 or 16 GB I device > versus a Windows or a Mac PC with many many megabytes gigabytes or even maybe > terabytes of space. This is just wrong. I have 4 GB left on my iPhone. And > when this unwanted download comes on, it's going to leave me with something > around 1 1/2 left. That is a problem. > One of the things that Apple used to pride itself on his "it just works." > Given what I've heard about iOS 7 and voiceover, I don't think they're living > up to their reputation. We pay a lot more for this hardware and put up with > the "walled garden" because it is supposed to offer a superior experience. > This is not an example of a superior experience. Quite honestly, this is more > like what I would expect from the wild West in Google land, where it's > incredibly fragmented, and excess ability is catch as catch can, and it's a > mess. I don't pay big bucks to expect this kind of treatment from the company. > Mary experience. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" wrote: > >> Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded also >> disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded without your >> permission? What about those who are more technically challenged and would >> welcome this because it makes the process easier? >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos >> Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's under >> CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper >> Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Ricardo. I am sorry to contradict but, respectfully, your examples aren’t analogous at all. What Apple is doing here is changing the functionality of already released products by reducing the space available on already released devices and, incidentally, consuming user bandwidth without user permission. Your examples all concern the addition of new functionality or changes to servers owned by companies providing that functionality. That is, if I want whatever new feature, or if I want to use a server owned by a company, it is more than reasonable to demand that I use products x y and z. It’s not only reasonable but may well be necessary, the results of trying to read fingerprints without a fingerprint sensor are probably not going to be very good, and the results of trying to use an LTE network without an LTE radio are probably going to be just as bad. What people want here is simply to continue using what they are using now without any interference. That, in my view, is more than reasonable, and it is the first time I’ve seen this sort of attempt to impair present functionality by a company. Keep in mind that people are using Word Perfect 5.1 and DOS 6.22 to this day. Of course they have no support, and of course they can’t use functionality on other machines which requires newer software, but what they’ve always used works as it always has. Aman On 9/26/13, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do stuff like this > all the time. For example, if you want IOS 7 but have an iPhone 3GS? You > have to at least get your hands on an iPhone 4. You might love your phone > but, you want that new update so you get a new phone. > > Or how about internet explorer 10. You want to have access to certain web > sites, your still using Windows XP? You either update tow windows 7 or 8, > or try to use another web browser. > > This is really nothing new. The more people that are running the same OS > or, using the same hardware, makes it easier for developers to push out > updates and new content. > > Sure, in some cases its a straight money grab. Other times, companies force > the issue because they don’t want to support old hardware/software anymore. > Or, they’re trying to create a more unified experience among their users. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Patti Johnson wrote: > >> I agree, this is absolutely not right. Nobody makes me do anything I dont' >> want to do, especially something like this. >> If this kind of dictitorial behavior keeps up I'm going to get rid of my >> phone. >> Patti >> On 9/26/2013 11:45 AM, Regina Alvarado wrote: >>> If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This >>> is not right in my opinion. >>> >>> >>> reggie and Allegra >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I >>> come with some bad news. >>> According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA >>> update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, >>> with no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the >>> update uses when downloaded. >>> http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this grou
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Raul. You ask Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded > also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded > without your permission? I certainly do, I use Windows and Microsoft is well-known for beta testing their updates on the unfortunate users who have automatic updates enabled. I do updates manually only, and usually some time after they're released. This, of course, is more necessary with a mobile device with their comparitively smaller storage. As for making the update easier, Apple's strategy here actually doesn't, it just makes it takes less time at the point of use. Technical and non-technical users benefit from that equally, I believe, and the benefit to some users is bought at the cost of difficulties for others. These difficulties won't, as I said to david, bounce on to Apple, but that doesn't mean they're not there. Aman On 9/26/13, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded > also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded > without your permission? What about those who are more technically > challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier? > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's > under CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper > Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, David. You write > When the device is downloading the update in the background, it does not > necessarily download in one massive spirt. Instead, it breaks up the > download in to small bits and can take up to days to complete the download. > As I understand, the upgrade download also only occurs when the iDevice is > plugged in, locked, and on a wifi network. That doesn't, with respect, change anything about what I said in the message below yours, unless I'm missing something. All the reasons I give for this being an unfortunate move for the user are still present with staggered downloading, downloading only over wireless, etc, and downloading when the device is plugged in and locked. These precautions are enough to avoid legal action, I think, if people got a $10-20 cellular phone bill, or if their battery was suddenly very low, the problems might bring enough attention to cause either public relations or legal trouble, but the precautions are not enough to prevent this being an imposition on the user. Obviously, if there was a way to turn this off, there would be no problem. Aman On 9/26/13, David Chittenden wrote: > When the device is downloading the update in the background, it does not > necessarily download in one massive spirt. Instead, it breaks up the > download in to small bits and can take up to days to complete the download. > As I understand, the upgrade download also only occurs when the iDevice is > plugged in, locked, and on a wifi network. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 27 Sep 2013, at 5:12, Aman Singer wrote: >> >> Hi, Chris and all. >> I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I >> neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and >> dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has >> one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier >> than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated. >> I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading >> the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program >> because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or >> other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file. >> This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the >> megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep >> space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to >> upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an >> unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over >> it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is, >> therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be >> avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may >> have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7. >> I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which >> are excellent. >> Aman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Mary. I use a bluetooth streamer to hearing aids as well as a braille display. The fact that my hearing fluctuates often makes it easier to use braille and leave my ears open for environmental sounds. In iOS 6, the voiceover sounds would come through the streamer, activating it and switching me on to the Bluetooth program when I didn't want to be. in iOS 7, the voiceover sounds can easily be disabled, and it all works well. I hate some parts of the new update, the UK voice sounds like it has just come out of a very nasty meeting with its boss and you can't seem to see the lock screen notifications with a bluetooth keyboard, but the loss of the VO sounds makes up for it. Needless to say, this is entirely specific to me. Other people will have other views and ought to be able to download and update if and when they feel like it. Aman On 9/26/13, Mary Otten wrote: > I'm on, > I couldn't agree with you more. I am curious what the big feature in iOS 7 > is that convinced you to upgrade. > I myself have not upgraded I don't want to upgrade right now. I have a less > buggy iOS 6 that works for me. And I am so angry at Apple that if I didn't > dislike android so much, this stupid move on their part would be enough to > make me switch over to the other platform. The Sendero upgrade for the GPS > that works on iOS 7 is not yet out. I am pretty sure there are some other > apps that also have yet to be upgraded. It is arrogant and controlling > beyond belief that Apple should force a download onto anybody. What in gods > name are they thinking? I know this sounds strong, and I suppose it is. But > really Apple you are going to far this time. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Aman Singer wrote: > >> Hi, Chris and all. >> I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I >> neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and >> dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has >> one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier >> than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated. >> I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading >> the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program >> because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or >> other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file. >> This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the >> megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep >> space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to >> upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an >> unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over >> it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is, >> therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be >> avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may >> have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7. >> I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which >> are excellent. >> Aman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
It's not 3 gigs. It's actually 1.2 gigs. I can see why folks wit 16 GB phones would bee upset with the exxtra space being ttaken up by the upgrade file. Fortunately, I made sure to secure a device with more storage. Sent from my iPad Mini > On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Well, it seems to me that the bugs in contacts where you can't edit the first > or last name of a contact are in and of themselves serious enough to warrant > not upgrading. And as somebody with a 32 GB model who doesn't have all that > much space left, I really don't want this 3 GB worth of download on my > iPhone until I'm ready to upgrade. Chris I don't understand why you don't get > this. But to each his own. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Chris H wrote: >> >> I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good >> move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial releases of >> software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will only improve not >> worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but I cope with them and >> they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of us on here, as well as >> some of the general public, do not like change. Well it's what it is so deal >> with it. And that's not me being harsh; that's me being realistic. >> >>> On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come >>> with some bad news. >>> According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update >>> to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user >>> consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when >>> downloaded. >>> http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
One of the ways Apple ensures the best possible user experience is to push out the latest and greatest software, with all of the security fixes, and makes it as easy as possible for all users to install it. This is also how Apple reduces fragmentation. I think this is the exact opposite of how things are handled in the Android ecosystem. On 09/26/2013 10:04 PM, Mary Otten wrote: Raul, There is a huge difference when you're looking at a 32 or 16 GB I device versus a Windows or a Mac PC with many many megabytes gigabytes or even maybe terabytes of space. This is just wrong. I have 4 GB left on my iPhone. And when this unwanted download comes on, it's going to leave me with something around 1 1/2 left. That is a problem. One of the things that Apple used to pride itself on his "it just works." Given what I've heard about iOS 7 and voiceover, I don't think they're living up to their reputation. We pay a lot more for this hardware and put up with the "walled garden" because it is supposed to offer a superior experience. This is not an example of a superior experience. Quite honestly, this is more like what I would expect from the wild West in Google land, where it's incredibly fragmented, and excess ability is catch as catch can, and it's a mess. I don't pay big bucks to expect this kind of treatment from the company. Mary experience. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" wrote: Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded without your permission? What about those who are more technically challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier? -- Raul A. Gallegos Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's under CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I'm probably in the minority here, but, yes, I do have my macs set this way and when I had pcs, I did the same. I would prefer my computers not to download anything without me knowing about it. Of course, with power comes responsibility, if you set your computer this way, you must remember to check for updates. Original message: Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded without your permission? What about those who are more technically challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier? -- Raul A. Gallegos Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's under CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Um, it takes away from available space on the device? Which can pose a problem if you are limited on space anway. From: Wil James Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. As far as I can remember, Apple has always downloaded the update and left the option of installing to the user. Personally, I see nothing wrong with this approach. Sent from my iPad Mini On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:08 PM, wrote: Well, without my permission apple has downloaded the upgraded software apparently, but when I went into settings and saw only install, I close settings without installing. So, apparently it is there on my phone and waiting to be installed. I wish to hold out for a while so will see what happens. Donna tcors...@cfl.rr.com From: Crystal French Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I am still using IO’s 6 on my iPhone 4. I am going to be getting the 5s, but hesitate to update to IO s 7 because I would be in trouble if something went drastically wrong with my 4. Frankly, I can’t imagine that Appple really cares what I do or don’t have on my iPhone 4. Crystal From: Regina Alvarado Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This is not right in my opinion. reggie and Allegra On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hello, For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come with some bad news. According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when downloaded. http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googl
