Re: Voice Control Question

[Feliciano Godoy]

I think this is one of those scenarios where ignorance is bliss and the 
employee was trying to help to the best of his knowledge. Assuming that your 
friend can properly execute gestures, voiceover screen reader and Siri will 
take her  a long way when accessing the phone.


If there are difficulties using gestures to go to the home screen app switcher 
etc., your friend can customize voiceover gestures so it can be more intuitive 
for her. For example, she can create adjuster so that she can do a two finger 
swipe left to go to the home screen and two finger swipe right to go to the app 
switcher. I personally use these gestures because it's more efficient and 
recommend them to many people that have modern iPhone.


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On Jul 5, 2024, at 7:17 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:


I have a friend who just purchased a iPhone 15 Pro Max through T Mobile.  She 
was told that she needed to use Voice Control.  She does have a bit of usable 
sight but tends to use Siri and Voice Over mostly.

Is it necessary for her to use Voice Control?  What is its purpose?  I think it 
is making using an iPhone without a home button a bit more challenging for her.

Just trying to figure things out so I can explain them a bit better to one of 
her care givers.

Vivian and Sallie who is retiring due to medical issues in 1 month.  USA



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RE: Voice Control Question

[Carolyn Arnold]

People do get mixed up about Voicre Control and Voiceover. Over the years, I've 
told one that I needed a device to talk to me; I did not need to talk to a 
device. 

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Jody ianuzzi
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 11:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Voice Control Question

I think the sales person was confused with voice control and voiceover. No, 
using voice control is a lot more difficult when using voiceover unless you use 
headphones.

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On Jul 5, 2024, at 10:17 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:





I have a friend who just purchased a iPhone 15 Pro Max through T 
Mobile.  She was told that she needed to use Voice Control.  She does have a 
bit of usable sight but tends to use Siri and Voice Over mostly.

 

Is it necessary for her to use Voice Control?  What is its purpose?  I 
think it is making using an iPhone without a home button a bit more challenging 
for her.

 

Just trying to figure things out so I can explain them a bit better to 
one of her care givers.

 

Vivian and Sallie who is retiring due to medical issues in 1 month.  USA

 

 



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RE: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yes, that makes sense. I had set horn for hers so I could hear them. Finally, 
it dawned on me, I kept seeing Muted on hers. Go figure. I have no idea how I 
managed to do that, but now that I am aware, I will know for the future, and 
thanks to you, I'll know how to undo it. 

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Joseph hudson
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2024 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

As long as you have her on show alert, she shall alert you if you get a message.

> On Jul 7, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I havr her on Show Alerts now; we'll see what happens. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2024 3:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> Be aware that you can practice with an existing message. Flick up to "hide 
> alerts" and double tap. It will announce that the message is muted. Now flic 
> up or down to "show alerts" and double tap and it becomes unmuted.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> 
> Thanks. I keep checking for messages from her so I can get this problem 
> solved.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> instead of opening the message flick up with one finger to show alerts 
> and double tap
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
> To: "viPhone" 
> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 1:31 PM
> Subject: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> 
> What does it mean for a message to be muted, and is there a way to unmute it? 
> The person that I have more frequent texts with is muted, and I can't hear 
> when her texts arrive.
> Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her name; I just put in 
> her phone number, then her name comes up. I have gone into her contact, into 
> messages, and also sounds and haptics and can't figure out how to remedy this 
> problem. Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Joseph hudson]

As long as you have her on show alert, she shall alert you if you get a message.

> On Jul 7, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I havr her on Show Alerts now; we'll see what happens. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2024 3:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> Be aware that you can practice with an existing message. Flick up to "hide 
> alerts" and double tap. It will announce that the message is muted. Now flic 
> up or down to "show alerts" and double tap and it becomes unmuted.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> 
> Thanks. I keep checking for messages from her so I can get this problem 
> solved.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> instead of opening the message flick up with one finger to show alerts and 
> double tap
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
> To: "viPhone" 
> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 1:31 PM
> Subject: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> 
> What does it mean for a message to be muted, and is there a way to unmute it? 
> The person that I have more frequent texts with is muted, and I can't hear 
> when her texts arrive.
> Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her name; I just put in 
> her phone number, then her name comes up. I have gone into her contact, into 
> messages, and also sounds and haptics and can't figure out how to remedy this 
> problem. Any help will be appreciated.
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RE: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I havr her on Show Alerts now; we'll see what happens. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2024 3:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

Be aware that you can practice with an existing message. Flick up to "hide 
alerts" and double tap. It will announce that the message is muted. Now flic up 
or down to "show alerts" and double tap and it becomes unmuted.
- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.


Thanks. I keep checking for messages from her so I can get this problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

instead of opening the message flick up with one finger to show alerts and 
double tap

- Original Message -
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 1:31 PM
Subject: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.


What does it mean for a message to be muted, and is there a way to unmute it? 
The person that I have more frequent texts with is muted, and I can't hear when 
her texts arrive.
Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her name; I just put in 
her phone number, then her name comes up. I have gone into her contact, into 
messages, and also sounds and haptics and can't figure out how to remedy this 
problem. Any help will be appreciated.

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Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Robert Doc Wright]

Be aware that you can practice with an existing message. Flick up to "hide 
alerts" and double tap. It will announce that the message is muted. Now flic 
up or down to "show alerts" and double tap and it becomes unmuted.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.


Thanks. I keep checking for messages from her so I can get this problem 
solved.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

instead of opening the message flick up with one finger to show alerts and 
double tap

- Original Message -
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 1:31 PM
Subject: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.


What does it mean for a message to be muted, and is there a
way to unmute it? The person that I have more frequent texts
with is muted, and I can't hear when her texts arrive.
Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her
name; I just put in her phone number, then her name comes
up. I have gone into her contact, into messages, and also
sounds and haptics and can't figure out how to remedy this
problem. Any help will be appreciated.

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RE: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Thanks. I keep checking for messages from her so I can get this problem solved. 

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instead of opening the message flick up with one finger to show alerts and 
double tap

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Subject: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.


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Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her
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RE: Voice Control Question

[blazie.girl]

Thanks Richard and Jody,

 

I told this to my friend who is the care giver and told her how to turn audio 
control off so they can see if it helps.

 

I really do appreciate all the valuable information I receive from folks on 
this list.

 

Vivian and Sallie, USA

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Control Question

 

I think the sales person was confused with voice control and voiceover. No, 
using voice control is a lot more difficult when using voiceover unless you use 
headphones.

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I have a friend who just purchased a iPhone 15 Pro Max through T Mobile.  She 
was told that she needed to use Voice Control.  She does have a bit of usable 
sight but tends to use Siri and Voice Over mostly.

 

Is it necessary for her to use Voice Control?  What is its purpose?  I think it 
is making using an iPhone without a home button a bit more challenging for her.

 

Just trying to figure things out so I can explain them a bit better to one of 
her care givers.

 

Vivian and Sallie who is retiring due to medical issues in 1 month.  USA

 

 

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Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Robert Doc Wright]

instead of opening the message flick up with one finger to show alerts and 
double tap

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To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 1:31 PM
Subject: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.


What does it mean for a message to be muted, and is there a
way to unmute it? The person that I have more frequent texts
with is muted, and I can't hear when her texts arrive.
Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her
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RE: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Thanks. I'll have to wait for another message, but I will follow your 
directions, as they always work. 

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Supplement easy, fix, so find the conversation that you have going on with her 
in messages, then flick down or up until you hear, unmute conversation and then 
double tap. And your conversation should be good to go.

> On Jul 6, 2024, at 2:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What does it mean for a message to be muted, and is there a way to 
> unmute it? The person that I have more frequent texts with is muted, 
> and I can't hear when her texts arrive.
> Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her name; I just 
> put in her phone number, then her name comes up. I have gone into her 
> contact, into messages, and also sounds and haptics and can't figure 
> out how to remedy this problem. Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Joseph hudson]

Supplement easy, fix, so find the conversation that you have going on with her 
in messages, then flick down or up until you hear, unmute conversation and then 
double tap. And your conversation should be good to go.

> On Jul 6, 2024, at 2:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What does it mean for a message to be muted, and is there a
> way to unmute it? The person that I have more frequent texts
> with is muted, and I can't hear when her texts arrive.
> Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her
> name; I just put in her phone number, then her name comes
> up. I have gone into her contact, into messages, and also
> sounds and haptics and can't figure out how to remedy this
> problem. Any help will be appreciated.
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Question about muted person in Messages on my iPhone 14 Pro.

[Carolyn Arnold]

What does it mean for a message to be muted, and is there a
way to unmute it? The person that I have more frequent texts
with is muted, and I can't hear when her texts arrive.
Neither can I get her to come up when I start to type her
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Re: Voice Control Question

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I think the sales person was confused with voice control and voiceover. No, using voice control is a lot more difficult when using voiceover unless you use headphones.JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Jul 5, 2024, at 10:17 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:I have a friend who just purchased a iPhone 15 Pro Max through T Mobile.  She was told that she needed to use Voice Control.  She does have a bit of usable sight but tends to use Siri and Voice Over mostly. Is it necessary for her to use Voice Control?  What is its purpose?  I think it is making using an iPhone without a home button a bit more challenging for her. Just trying to figure things out so I can explain them a bit better to one of her care givers. Vivian and Sallie who is retiring due to medical issues in 1 month.  USA  



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RE: Voice Control Question

[blazie.girl]

Thanks Richard.  I will forward this to her care giver.

 

Vivian and Sallie Walla Walla USA

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Control Question

 

Voice Control is designed for people who have trouble performing the gestures. 
If she has finger dexterity issues or tremmors,  or any condition where 
accurately doing the gestures is a problem, then Voice Control may be an 
option. It adds lots of tedium in using the phone. 

If she can do the gestures, then she should turn off Voice Control. 

A bluetooth keyboard is another option. 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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I have a friend who just purchased a iPhone 15 Pro Max through T Mobile.  She 
was told that she needed to use Voice Control.  She does have a bit of usable 
sight but tends to use Siri and Voice Over mostly.

 

Is it necessary for her to use Voice Control?  What is its purpose?  I think it 
is making using an iPhone without a home button a bit more challenging for her.

 

Just trying to figure things out so I can explain them a bit better to one of 
her care givers.

 

Vivian and Sallie who is retiring due to medical issues in 1 month.  USA

 

 

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Re: Voice Control Question

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Voice Control is designed for people who have trouble performing the gestures. If she has finger dexterity issues or tremmors,  or any condition where accurately doing the gestures is a problem, then Voice Control may be an option. It adds lots of tedium in using the phone. If she can do the gestures, then she should turn off Voice Control. A bluetooth keyboard is another option. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 5, 2024, at 7:17 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:I have a friend who just purchased a iPhone 15 Pro Max through T Mobile.  She was told that she needed to use Voice Control.  She does have a bit of usable sight but tends to use Siri and Voice Over mostly. Is it necessary for her to use Voice Control?  What is its purpose?  I think it is making using an iPhone without a home button a bit more challenging for her. Just trying to figure things out so I can explain them a bit better to one of her care givers. Vivian and Sallie who is retiring due to medical issues in 1 month.  USA  



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Voice Control Question

[blazie.girl]

I have a friend who just purchased a iPhone 15 Pro Max through T Mobile.
She was told that she needed to use Voice Control.  She does have a bit of
usable sight but tends to use Siri and Voice Over mostly.

 

Is it necessary for her to use Voice Control?  What is its purpose?  I think
it is making using an iPhone without a home button a bit more challenging
for her.

 

Just trying to figure things out so I can explain them a bit better to one
of her care givers.

 

Vivian and Sallie who is retiring due to medical issues in 1 month.  USA

 

 

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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I assume it will be available not so much further down the road considering 
it's been in Beta for some time now.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

Hello Sieghard,
Unfortunately, the iPad beta version is locked. It says that it is full and no 
longer takes new testers.
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad


On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:



iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do 
it<https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/ipad-users-finally-get-a-dedicated-whatsapp-application-heres-how-to-do-it/articleshow/103842898.cms?from=mdr>



Best regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland 
> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland 
>> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Cris,

>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.

>>

>> -Original Message-

>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>> Of Cris Ali

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>>

>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
>> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
>> Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
>> an iPhone or with an iPad?

>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>>

>>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
>>>> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a

>>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

>>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

>>> - Original Message -

>>> From: "Cris Ali" mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>>

>>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

>>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

>>>

>>>

>>> Hello dear listers,

>>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

>>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users 
>>> on that list.

>>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.

>>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.

>>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found 

Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Robert Doc Wright]

Both.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Keith Kramlinger
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users


  Thank you very much for these.
  This is probably a very silly question. Do these keyboard commands for 
voiceover work for Bluetooth keyboards connected to an iPhone, a Mac, or 
both?
  Thanks in advance. Keith




On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
 wrote:



Voiceover iPhone keyboard commands

http://www.wrighthere.net/Voiceover_iPhone_keyboard_commands.txt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:33 AM
  Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users


  That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad 
"yet", but it is in Beta, see the below article:



  iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to 
do it



  Best regards,

  Sieghard



  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



  No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it 
using a browser like Safari.

  Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



  > On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland  
wrote:

  >

  > I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the 
layout might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being 
used on a larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume 
you use the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate 
WhatsApp on the iPhone.

  >

  > -Original Message-

  > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of

  > Cris Ali

  > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

  > To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  > Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

  >

  > Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

  > I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an 
iPad can be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you 
tried using the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the 
chronology of chats very confusing.

  > Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

  >

  >> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland  
wrote:

  >>

  >> Hi Cris,

  >> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite 
extensively. I have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I 
have been fine. Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone 
or iPad, I use it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people 
to use an iPad since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more 
screen real estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low 
vision folks so that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing 
with zooming in and out.

  >>

  >> -Original Message-

  >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf

  >> Of Cris Ali

  >> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

  >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  >> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

  >>

  >> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard 
setting today to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is 
turned off. Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did 
you use on an iPhone or with an iPad?

  >> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

  >>

  >>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
 wrote:

  >>>

  >>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using 
a

  >>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

  >>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

  >>> - Original Message -

  >>> From: "Cris Ali" 

  >>> To: 

  >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

  >>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

  >>>

  >>>

  >>> Hello dear listers,

  >>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

  >>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth 
keyboard users on that list.

  >>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.

  >>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.

  >>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under 
settings,

  >>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the

  >>> advanta

RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Richard Turner]

OK, thanks to Cris Ali for pointing out a couple things I missed on my list of 
gestures and keyboard commands.

They are updated now.

They are on the main page of my web site.

https://www.turner42.com

 

I don’t have time right now, but I need to add info about the unique iPad 
commands.

I know some have to do with the split screen things but that will be another 
day.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users

 

There might be a slight variation between the Mac and iPhone.  Ipad commands 
are pretty much the same as on the iPhone except there are a couple extra for 
things that are unique to the iPad.

I will have to go through my list to find that spot where I give the 
differences.

But, note, that the keyboard commands referred to at the link in this message 
are for the Apple brand keyboards and ones with the FN key.

For example, the screen curtain on and off is shown as:

VO-Fn-Hyphen (or VO-Globe key-Hyphen, depending on your keyboard)

Well, the Globe key as far as I know is only on Apple brand keyboards.

My logitech keyboard doesn’t have that.

But it does have an FN key in an awkward place but VO+FN+f11 does toggle screen 
curtain.

I had had issues before, but it is working now.  I need to update my list.

Also, all keyboard commands can be customized if you don’t like the default 
ones.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Keith Kramlinger
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

 

Thank you very much for these.

This is probably a very silly question. Do these keyboard commands for 
voiceover work for Bluetooth keyboards connected to an iPhone, a Mac, or both?

Thanks in advance. Keith

 

 

On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Robert Doc Wright mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Voiceover iPhone keyboard commands

 

http://www.wrighthere.net/Voiceover_iPhone_keyboard_commands.txt

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:33 AM

Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users

 

That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:

 

iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do it 
<https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/ipad-users-finally-get-a-dedicated-whatsapp-application-heres-how-to-do-it/articleshow/103842898.cms?from=mdr>
 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

 

No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

 

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland < <mailto:eila...@gmail.com> 
> eila...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com < 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

> 

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> 

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland < <mailto:eila...@gmail.

RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Richard Turner]

There might be a slight variation between the Mac and iPhone.  Ipad commands 
are pretty much the same as on the iPhone except there are a couple extra for 
things that are unique to the iPad.

I will have to go through my list to find that spot where I give the 
differences.

But, note, that the keyboard commands referred to at the link in this message 
are for the Apple brand keyboards and ones with the FN key.

For example, the screen curtain on and off is shown as:

VO-Fn-Hyphen (or VO-Globe key-Hyphen, depending on your keyboard)

Well, the Globe key as far as I know is only on Apple brand keyboards.

My logitech keyboard doesn’t have that.

But it does have an FN key in an awkward place but VO+FN+f11 does toggle screen 
curtain.

I had had issues before, but it is working now.  I need to update my list.

Also, all keyboard commands can be customized if you don’t like the default 
ones.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keith 
Kramlinger
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

 

Thank you very much for these.

This is probably a very silly question. Do these keyboard commands for 
voiceover work for Bluetooth keyboards connected to an iPhone, a Mac, or both?

Thanks in advance. Keith

 





On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Robert Doc Wright mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Voiceover iPhone keyboard commands

 

http://www.wrighthere.net/Voiceover_iPhone_keyboard_commands.txt

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:33 AM

Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users

 

That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:

 

iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do it 
<https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/ipad-users-finally-get-a-dedicated-whatsapp-application-heres-how-to-do-it/articleshow/103842898.cms?from=mdr>
 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

 

No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

 

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland < <mailto:eila...@gmail.com> 
> eila...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com < 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

> 

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> 

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland < <mailto:eila...@gmail.com> 
>> eila...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> 

>> Hi Cris,

>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.

>> 

>> -Original Message-

>> From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com < 
>> <mailto:viphone

Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Cris Ali]

Hello Sieghard,
Unfortunately, the iPad beta version is locked. It says that it is full and no 
longer takes new testers.
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:



iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do 
it<https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/ipad-users-finally-get-a-dedicated-whatsapp-application-heres-how-to-do-it/articleshow/103842898.cms?from=mdr>



Best regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland 
> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland 
>> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Cris,

>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.

>>

>> -Original Message-

>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>> Of Cris Ali

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>>

>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
>> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
>> Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
>> an iPhone or with an iPad?

>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>>

>>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
>>>> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a

>>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

>>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

>>> - Original Message -

>>> From: "Cris Ali" mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>>

>>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

>>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

>>>

>>>

>>> Hello dear listers,

>>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

>>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users 
>>> on that list.

>>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.

>>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.

>>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings,

>>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the

>>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on

>>> when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?

>>> I would apprecia

Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Keith Kramlinger]

Thank you very much for these.
This is probably a very silly question. Do these keyboard commands for 
voiceover work for Bluetooth keyboards connected to an iPhone, a Mac, or both?
Thanks in advance. Keith


On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
wrote:


Voiceover iPhone keyboard commands

http://www.wrighthere.net/Voiceover_iPhone_keyboard_commands.txt
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users


That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:



iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do 
it<https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/ipad-users-finally-get-a-dedicated-whatsapp-application-heres-how-to-do-it/articleshow/103842898.cms?from=mdr>



Best regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland 
> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland 
>> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Cris,

>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.

>>

>> -Original Message-

>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>> Of Cris Ali

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>>

>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
>> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
>> Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
>> an iPhone or with an iPad?

>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>>

>>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
>>>> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a

>>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

>>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

>>> - Original Message -

>>> From: "Cris Ali" mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>>

>>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

>>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

>>>

>>>

>>> Hello dear listers,

>>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

>>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users 
&g

Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Robert Doc Wright]

Voiceover iPhone keyboard commands

http://www.wrighthere.net/Voiceover_iPhone_keyboard_commands.txt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:33 AM
  Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users


  That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad 
"yet", but it is in Beta, see the below article:



  iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do 
it



  Best regards,

  Sieghard



  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



  No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it 
using a browser like Safari.

  Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



  > On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:

  >

  > I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp 
on the iPhone.

  >

  > -Original Message-

  > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of

  > Cris Ali

  > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

  > To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  > Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

  >

  > Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

  > I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad 
can be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried 
using the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of 
chats very confusing.

  > Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

  >

  >> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:

  >>

  >> Hi Cris,

  >> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. 
I have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been 
fine. Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, 
I use it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an 
iPad since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen 
real estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks 
so that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming 
in and out.

  >>

  >> -Original Message-

  >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf

  >> Of Cris Ali

  >> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

  >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  >> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

  >>

  >> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting 
today to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned 
off. Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you 
use on an iPhone or with an iPad?

  >> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

  >>

  >>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
 wrote:

  >>>

  >>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a

  >>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

  >>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

  >>> - Original Message -

  >>> From: "Cris Ali" 

  >>> To: 

  >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

  >>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

  >>>

  >>>

  >>> Hello dear listers,

  >>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

  >>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard 
users on that list.

  >>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.

  >>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.

  >>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings,

  >>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the

  >>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on

  >>> when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?

  >>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.

  >>> Cheers,

  >>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

  >>>

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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Joseph hudson]

Hello, I hadn't seen your message. But there are some Bluetooth keyboard users 
on that list. May not be one of them. But I know that there are a couple on 
there. And I'm sorry that you haven't gotten a reply. I will see that you could 
read the setting the way it is and see how it works for you. And if you feel 
the need to change it, ch, just try both ways and see what works best for you.

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello dear listers,
> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or 
> comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list. 
> Hopefully I will be luckier here. 
> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I 
> keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,, 
> full keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of  
> keeping this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which 
> setting do you recommend? 
> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
> Cheers,
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
> 
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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:



iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do 
it<https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/ipad-users-finally-get-a-dedicated-whatsapp-application-heres-how-to-do-it/articleshow/103842898.cms?from=mdr>



Best regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland 
> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland 
>> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Cris,

>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.

>>

>> -Original Message-

>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>> Of Cris Ali

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>>

>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
>> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
>> Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
>> an iPhone or with an iPad?

>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>>

>>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
>>>> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a

>>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

>>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

>>> - Original Message -

>>> From: "Cris Ali" mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>>

>>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

>>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

>>>

>>>

>>> Hello dear listers,

>>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

>>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users 
>>> on that list.

>>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.

>>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.

>>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings,

>>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the

>>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on

>>> when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?

>>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.

>>> Cheers,

>>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>>>

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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Robert Doc Wright]

Both. I rarely ever touch the screen with my hands.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cris Ali" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users


Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
an iPhone or with an iPad?
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
>
> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a BT
> keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware keyboard
> feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cris Ali" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
>
>
> Hello dear listers,
> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or
> comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that 
> list.
> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I
> keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, 
> accessibility,,
> full keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages 
> of
> keeping this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which
> setting do you recommend?
> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
> Cheers,
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
>
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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Mario Eiland]

You stated,
"I am wondering if you tried using
the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad."

So, you're referring to the WhatsApp on the web?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
> 
> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.
> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cris,
>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Cris Ali
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users
>> 
>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
>> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
>> Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
>> an iPhone or with an iPad?
>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
>> 
>>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a 
>>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware 
>>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Cris Ali" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
>>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello dear listers,
>>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no 
>>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users 
>>> on that list.
>>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
>>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.
>>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, 
>>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the 
>>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on 
>>> when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?
>>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Cris Ali]

No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.
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> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
> 
> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.
> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cris,
>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Cris Ali
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users
>> 
>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
>> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
>> Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
>> an iPhone or with an iPad?
>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
>> 
>>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a
>>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware
>>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Cris Ali" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
>>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello dear listers,
>>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no
>>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users 
>>> on that list.
>>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
>>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.
>>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings,
>>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the
>>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on when
>>> using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?
>>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I also use a Bluetooth keyboard from Apple. I really like it a 
lot. I hope you all have a fabulous day! Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a BT
> keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware keyboard
> feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cris Ali" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> 
> Hello dear listers,
> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or
> comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list.
> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I
> keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,,
> full keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of
> keeping this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which
> setting do you recommend?
> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
> Cheers,
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Mario Eiland]

I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout might 
be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a larger 
screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use the iPhone 
version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on the iPhone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.
I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can be 
a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using the 
desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats very 
confusing.
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cris,
> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
> and out.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. Since 
> you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on an 
> iPhone or with an iPad?
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a 
>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware 
>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Cris Ali" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
>> 
>> 
>> Hello dear listers,
>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no 
>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on 
>> that list.
>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.
>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, 
>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the 
>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on when 
>> using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?
>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
>> Cheers,
>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
>> 
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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Cris Ali]

Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.
I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can be 
a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using the 
desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats very 
confusing.
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cris,
> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
> and out.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. Since 
> you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on an 
> iPhone or with an iPad?
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a BT
>> keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware keyboard
>> feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Cris Ali" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
>> 
>> 
>> Hello dear listers,
>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies
>> or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that 
>> list.
>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.
>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings,
>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the
>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on when
>> using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?
>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
>> Cheers,
>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Mario Eiland]

Hi Cris,
I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I have 
never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use it 
with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad since 
it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real estate when 
navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so that they can 
take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in and out.
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today to  
try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. Since you 
have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on an iPhone or 
with an iPad?
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a BT 
> keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware keyboard 
> feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cris Ali" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> 
> Hello dear listers,
> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies 
> or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that 
> list.
> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. 
> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, 
> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the 
> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on when 
> using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?
> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
> Cheers,
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Cris Ali]

Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today to  
try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. Since you 
have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on an iPhone or 
with an iPad?
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a BT
> keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware keyboard
> feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cris Ali" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> 
> Hello dear listers,
> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or
> comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list.
> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I
> keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,,
> full keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of
> keeping this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which
> setting do you recommend?
> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
> Cheers,
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Robert Doc Wright]

It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a BT 
keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware keyboard 
feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cris Ali" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
Subject: A question for Bluetooth users


Hello dear listers,
I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or 
comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list. 
Hopefully I will be luckier here.
I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I 
keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,, 
full keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of 
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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Jonathan Cohn]

It appears to be a feature for people wit mobility issues.
It uses the tab key as a modifier and allow one to perform actions with just 
the keyboard. 
I expect that 98% of VO users would not like this if the video attached is 
correctly describing the  process.

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10120/ 
<https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10120/>


> On Jun 25, 2024, at 5:34 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mario,
> Thanks a lot for the link. This link gives the keyboard shortcuts for a 
> regular user, not for the keyboard shortcuts with VoiceOver.
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I found this page on the web describing your inquiry.
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/control-iphone-with-an-external-keyboard-ipha4375873f/ios#:~:text=If%20you%20use%20Magic%20Keyboard,the%20screen%20that%20has%20focus.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
>> Ali
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 11:23 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
>> 
>> Hello dear listers,
>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or 
>> comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list. 
>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I 
>> keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,, 
>> full keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of  
>> keeping this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which 
>> setting do you recommend?
>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
>> Cheers,
>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
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Re: A question for Bluetooth users

[Cris Ali]

Hello Mario,
Thanks a lot for the link. This link gives the keyboard shortcuts for a regular 
user, not for the keyboard shortcuts with VoiceOver.
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I found this page on the web describing your inquiry.
> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/control-iphone-with-an-external-keyboard-ipha4375873f/ios#:~:text=If%20you%20use%20Magic%20Keyboard,the%20screen%20that%20has%20focus.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 11:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> Hello dear listers,
> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or 
> comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list. 
> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I 
> keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,, 
> full keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of  
> keeping this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which 
> setting do you recommend?
> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
> Cheers,
> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad
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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Mario Eiland]

Hi,
I found this page on the web describing your inquiry.
https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/control-iphone-with-an-external-keyboard-ipha4375873f/ios#:~:text=If%20you%20use%20Magic%20Keyboard,the%20screen%20that%20has%20focus.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 11:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

Hello dear listers,
I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or 
comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list. 
Hopefully I will be luckier here. 
I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I keep 
the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,, full 
keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of  keeping 
this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you 
recommend? 
I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
Cheers,
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A question for Bluetooth users

[Cris Ali]

Hello dear listers,
I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or 
comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list. 
Hopefully I will be luckier here. 
I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I keep 
the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,, full 
keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of  keeping 
this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you 
recommend? 
I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
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RE: Question about addressing a text.

[Carolyn Arnold]

That is good to know, thanks. 

-Original Message-
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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2024 7:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about addressing a text.

If you started typing the number or name you could have flicked past add 
contacts and you would have seen suggestions.
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2024 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Question about addressing a text.


This morning, I sent a text, and add contact gave me my contact list, where I 
flicked down and double tapped on my contact. She had only one number, but if 
more, I could just double tap on the number of my choice.

Incidentally, on this subject, a guy on another list said you could ask Siri to 
send an audio message, and your dictation would be received by the recipient. I 
thought that was interesting.

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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about addressing a text.

I get those suggestions. they are right past (add contacts). It says, results 
and gives a list.
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: Question about addressing a text.


My Text Messages do not offer suggestions like Outlook on my computer does 
for emails.

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Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 2:13 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about addressing a text.

You either use the contacts name or phone number. when you use the name as 
you start typing it will offer suggestions. When you hear the one you want 
press enter if you are using a BT keyboard or flick right until you see the 
name and double tap.
- Original Message -
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To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 11:52 AM
Subject: Question about addressing a text.


When I start a text, what do I do to find the person I want and get them in, 
rather than typing out the contact information? Thanks.

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Re: Question about addressing a text.

[Robert Doc Wright]

If you started typing the number or name you could have flicked past add 
contacts and you would have seen suggestions.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2024 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Question about addressing a text.


This morning, I sent a text, and add contact gave me my contact list, where 
I flicked down and double tapped on my contact. She had only one number, but 
if more, I could just double tap on the number of my choice.

Incidentally, on this subject, a guy on another list said you could ask Siri 
to send an audio message, and your dictation would be received by the 
recipient. I thought that was interesting.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about addressing a text.

I get those suggestions. they are right past (add contacts). It says, 
results and gives a list.
- Original Message -
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: Question about addressing a text.


My Text Messages do not offer suggestions like Outlook on my computer does 
for emails.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 2:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about addressing a text.

You either use the contacts name or phone number. when you use the name as 
you start typing it will offer suggestions. When you hear the one you want 
press enter if you are using a BT keyboard or flick right until you see the 
name and double tap.
- Original Message -
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 11:52 AM
Subject: Question about addressing a text.


When I start a text, what do I do to find the person I want and get them in, 
rather than typing out the contact information? Thanks.

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RE: Question about addressing a text.

[Carolyn Arnold]

This morning, I sent a text, and add contact gave me my contact list, where I 
flicked down and double tapped on my contact. She had only one number, but if 
more, I could just double tap on the number of my choice. 

Incidentally, on this subject, a guy on another list said you could ask Siri to 
send an audio message, and your dictation would be received by the recipient. I 
thought that was interesting. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about addressing a text.

I get those suggestions. they are right past (add contacts). It says, results 
and gives a list.
- Original Message -
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: Question about addressing a text.


My Text Messages do not offer suggestions like Outlook on my computer does for 
emails.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 2:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about addressing a text.

You either use the contacts name or phone number. when you use the name as you 
start typing it will offer suggestions. When you hear the one you want press 
enter if you are using a BT keyboard or flick right until you see the name and 
double tap.
- Original Message -
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 11:52 AM
Subject: Question about addressing a text.


When I start a text, what do I do to find the person I want and get them in, 
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Re: Question about addressing a text.

[Robert Doc Wright]

I get those suggestions. they are right past (add contacts). It says, 
results and gives a list.
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Subject: RE: Question about addressing a text.


My Text Messages do not offer suggestions like Outlook on my computer does 
for emails.

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You either use the contacts name or phone number. when you use the name as 
you start typing it will offer suggestions. When you hear the one you want 
press enter if you are using a BT keyboard or flick right until you see the 
name and double tap.
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When I start a text, what do I do to find the person I want and get them in, 
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RE: Question about addressing a text.

[Carolyn Arnold]

My Text Messages do not offer suggestions like Outlook on my computer does for 
emails. 

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Robert Doc Wright
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You either use the contacts name or phone number. when you use the name as you 
start typing it will offer suggestions. When you hear the one you want press 
enter if you are using a BT keyboard or flick right until you see the name and 
double tap.
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To: "viPhone" 
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When I start a text, what do I do to find the person I want and get them in, 
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Re: Question about addressing a text.

[Robert Doc Wright]

You either use the contacts name or phone number. when you use the name as 
you start typing it will offer suggestions. When you hear the one you want 
press enter if you are using a BT keyboard or flick right until you see the 
name and double tap.
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To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 11:52 AM
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When I start a text, what do I do to find the person I want
and get them in, rather than typing out the contact
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Question about addressing a text.

[Carolyn Arnold]

When I start a text, what do I do to find the person I want
and get them in, rather than typing out the contact
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Oh, I addressed this on the wrong list. 

Yes, Richard had a great idea. I moved Pitch from 50 to 70%, and I can hear 
better, when on phone conversation. 

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Flor Lynch
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

Ultimately, though, if that doesn't work, the too-loudness problem is probably 
third-party at the other end of the phone line.


On 6/18/2024 10:35 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
> OK, I'll try higher and see what happens, thanks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?
>
> Pitch does not increase the sound, but perhaps one person hears a different 
> pitch better than another pitch.  So, experimenting with the pitch could help.
> I know people who can hear higher pitches better, and others who hear lower 
> pitches better.
> No harm in trying.
>
>
>
> Richard, USA
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 11:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?
>
> How could pitch increase the sound of Voiceover, when I am on a call?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?
>
> If its the tone that is giving you a problem then then go into voiceover 
> speech and change the pitch.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
> To: "viPhone" 
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:51 PM
> Subject: Question about Voiceover?
>
>
> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone call, say 
> at the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you want to punch in 
> the number for something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the number 
> for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time, and I've tried with Audio 
> Ducking off and with it on, no help.
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Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Flor Lynch]

Ultimately, though, if that doesn't work, the too-loudness problem is 
probably third-party at the other end of the phone line.



On 6/18/2024 10:35 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

OK, I'll try higher and see what happens, thanks.

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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?

Pitch does not increase the sound, but perhaps one person hears a different 
pitch better than another pitch.  So, experimenting with the pitch could help.
I know people who can hear higher pitches better, and others who hear lower 
pitches better.
No harm in trying.



Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to 
stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell 
Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?

How could pitch increase the sound of Voiceover, when I am on a call?

-Original Message-
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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

If its the tone that is giving you a problem then then go into voiceover speech 
and change the pitch.
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:51 PM
Subject: Question about Voiceover?


Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone call, say at 
the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you want to punch in the 
number for something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the number for 
the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time, and I've tried with Audio 
Ducking off and with it on, no help.

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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

OK, I'll try higher and see what happens, thanks. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?

Pitch does not increase the sound, but perhaps one person hears a different 
pitch better than another pitch.  So, experimenting with the pitch could help.
I know people who can hear higher pitches better, and others who hear lower 
pitches better.
No harm in trying.



Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
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Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?

How could pitch increase the sound of Voiceover, when I am on a call? 

-Original Message-
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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

If its the tone that is giving you a problem then then go into voiceover speech 
and change the pitch.
- Original Message -
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:51 PM
Subject: Question about Voiceover?


Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone call, say at 
the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you want to punch in the 
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Richard Turner]

Pitch does not increase the sound, but perhaps one person hears a different 
pitch better than another pitch.  So, experimenting with the pitch could help.
I know people who can hear higher pitches better, and others who hear lower 
pitches better.
No harm in trying.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?

How could pitch increase the sound of Voiceover, when I am on a call? 

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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

If its the tone that is giving you a problem then then go into voiceover speech 
and change the pitch.
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To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:51 PM
Subject: Question about Voiceover?


Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone call, say at 
the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you want to punch in the 
number for something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the number for 
the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time, and I've tried with Audio 
Ducking off and with it on, no help.

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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

I have it on. That has not solved the problem either. 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?

Make sure as well that audio ducking is on, this lowers the volume of other 
audio when Voiceover is speaking.

-Original Message-
From: 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 11:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the other 
end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear voice 
over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice over. I 
haven't figured out how to fix this.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone 
> call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you 
> want to punch in the number for something or doctor clinic, when you 
> want to punch the number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard 
> time, and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no help.
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

On my rotor, volume is at 100% - can't get it any louder than that. 

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Mario Eiland
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?

Hi Candie,
Are you aware that you can isolate VoiceOver's volume by adding it to the 
rotor, and instead of using the volume buttons on your iPhone you would use the 
volume control on the rotor? Otherwise when you  use the hard volume buttons of 
the iPhone you turn up or down the volume to everything.
Try the following:
Go to settings > Accessibility > > VoiceOver > Rotor > Rotor Items > Volume 
Swipe until you locate the volume option. Make sure that the Volume option is 
selected and that should place it in the rotor. Now look for it on the rotor 
and when you hear it announce either flick up to turn up or flick down to turn 
down the volume.
I hope that helps!

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From: 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 11:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the other 
end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear voice 
over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice over. I 
haven't figured out how to fix this.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone 
> call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you 
> want to punch in the number for something or doctor clinic, when you 
> want to punch the number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard 
> time, and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no help.
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yes, it is on my rotor, but that did not work the other day. I'll give it a try 
again though. 

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Matt White
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 2:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

I believe you need to have volume added to your voiceover rotor and then you 
can adjust the voiceover specific volume from there. I think it might be there 
by default, but maybe I change that along time ago I don’t remember.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2024, at 02:35, 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the 
> other end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear 
> voice over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice 
> over. I haven't figured out how to fix this.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone 
>> call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you 
>> want to punch in the number for something or doctor clinic, when you 
>> want to punch the number for the nurse's extension? I have a real 
>> hard time, and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no 
>> help.
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

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Yes, I have the exact, same problem. That is a perfect description. 

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From: 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 2:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the other 
end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear voice 
over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice over. I 
haven't figured out how to fix this.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone 
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> want to punch in the number for something or doctor clinic, when you 
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

How could pitch increase the sound of Voiceover, when I am on a call? 

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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

If its the tone that is giving you a problem then then go into voiceover speech 
and change the pitch.
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:51 PM
Subject: Question about Voiceover?


Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone call, say at 
the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you want to punch in the 
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

I use Bluetooth to my hearing aids. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

No I do not, because I usually us either bluetooth headphones or a bluetooth 
speaker.
Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone 
> call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you 
> want to punch in the number for something or doctor clinic, when you 
> want to punch the number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard 
> time, and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no help.
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Make sure as well that audio ducking is on, this lowers the volume of other 
audio when Voiceover is speaking.

-Original Message-
From: 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 11:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the other 
end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear voice 
over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice over. I 
haven't figured out how to fix this.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone 
> call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you 
> want to punch in the number for something or doctor clinic, when you 
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Mario Eiland]

Hi Candie,
Are you aware that you can isolate VoiceOver's volume by adding it to the 
rotor, and instead of using the volume buttons on your iPhone you would use the 
volume control on the rotor? Otherwise when you  use the hard volume buttons of 
the iPhone you turn up or down the volume to everything.
Try the following:
Go to settings > Accessibility > > VoiceOver > Rotor > Rotor Items > Volume
Swipe until you locate the volume option. Make sure that the Volume option is 
selected and that should place it in the rotor. Now look for it on the rotor 
and when you hear it announce either flick up to turn up or flick down to turn 
down the volume.
I hope that helps!

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From: 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 11:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the other 
end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear voice 
over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice over. I 
haven't figured out how to fix this.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> want to punch in the number for something or doctor clinic, when you 
> want to punch the number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard 
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Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Matt White]

I believe you need to have volume added to your voiceover rotor and then you 
can adjust the voiceover specific volume from there. I think it might be there 
by default, but maybe I change that along time ago I don’t remember.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2024, at 02:35, 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the 
> other end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear 
> voice over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice 
> over. I haven't figured out how to fix this.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
>> phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
>> information and you want to punch in the number for
>> something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
>> number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
>> and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
>> help.  
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Re: Question about Voiceover?

['Candie Stiles' via VIPhone]

Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the other 
end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear voice 
over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice over. I 
haven't figured out how to fix this.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
> phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
> information and you want to punch in the number for
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> and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
> help.  
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Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Evan Reese]

I guess I should add that what I described below is what I am doing in 
the privacy of my own home.


If I were out in public and making calls where I had to enter sensitive 
information, then I would definitely make sure my screen curtain is on 
and I would certainly be using earbuds or earphones of some sort.


Evan


On 6/17/2024 9:54 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
If I am understanding your question correctly, I just hold the iPhone 
away from my ear, putting it on speaker phone.


Then, I can hear VoiceOver just fine, and I can punch in any numbers 
on the keypad that I need.


I do it when I call my bank pretty regularly, where I have to enter my 
checking account number.


Evan

On 6/17/2024 6:51 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
information and you want to punch in the number for
something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
help.



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Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Evan Reese]

If I am understanding your question correctly, I just hold the iPhone 
away from my ear, putting it on speaker phone.


Then, I can hear VoiceOver just fine, and I can punch in any numbers on 
the keypad that I need.


I do it when I call my bank pretty regularly, where I have to enter my 
checking account number.


Evan

On 6/17/2024 6:51 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
information and you want to punch in the number for
something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
help.



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Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Robert Doc Wright]

If its the tone that is giving you a problem then then go into voiceover 
speech and change the pitch.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:51 PM
Subject: Question about Voiceover?


Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
information and you want to punch in the number for
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Mario Eiland]

I find it easier to manage this process by using either headphones or my 
airpods.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:52 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Question about Voiceover?

Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone call, say at 
the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you want to punch in the 
number for something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the number for 
the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time, and I've tried with Audio 
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RE: Whatsapp question

[Mario Eiland]

HI Marilyn,
Try this:
1. Tap Settings > Privacy.
2. Tap Default message timer.
3. Select 24 hours, 7 days, 90 days, or Off.
4. If you want to apply the timer to existing chats, tap "by selecting them" 
and then tap the chats.

Turn on disappearing messages in a specific chat Anyone can turn on 
disappearing messages in an individual chat. Once turned on, new messages in 
the chat
will disappear after the duration you select.
1. Open a chat.
2. Tap the contact’s name.
3. Tap Disappearing messages.
• If prompted, tap Continue.
4. Select 24 hours, 7 days, or 90 days under Message timer.

Hope that helps!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of marilyn
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Whatsapp question

Hello Ignacio, 
Thanks for your suggestions. I have followed your steps, but am having no 
success. Are there other headings I should be looking for? Also, is this 
something I need to do for each message? I would like the setting to apply to 
all messages so I don't have to deal with them individually. 
Thanks. 
Marilyn   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ignacio 
Suarez
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Whatsapp question

Hi there. Inside a chat, go to the very top where it says image. Tap on it, and 
then go down to disappearing messages. Tap on it in set it to turn it off. That 
will turn off your disappearing messages. If you want to change the setting 
again, do the same thing. I hope this helps. Have a nice day. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:43 AM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the number." 
> Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from this chat 7 
> days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not change any 
> settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been activated. I 
> want it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information and where I am 
> the one to delete the message or it will stay there. I have gone into 
> settings, storage and data, manage storage, but then don't find a heading to 
> change the setting to stop the disappearing.
> Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks.
> Marilyn   
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Re: Whatsapp question

[Ignacio Suarez]

To my understanding, you have to do it individually on each message. I am not 
aware of a general setting for all the chats. This doesn’t mean that there’s 
not one, I just have not seen it. Like I said, if you tap on the image or the 
persons name participating on the chat, You can get to the setting by swiping 
all the way down to the disappearing messages and then turn it off. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 6:03 PM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ignacio,
> Thanks for your suggestions. I have followed your steps, but am having no 
> success. Are there other headings I should be looking for? Also, is this 
> something I need to do for each message? I would like the setting to apply to 
> all messages so I don't have to deal with them individually.
> Thanks.
> Marilyn   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ignacio Suarez
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Whatsapp question
> 
> Hi there. Inside a chat, go to the very top where it says image. Tap on it, 
> and then go down to disappearing messages. Tap on it in set it to turn it 
> off. That will turn off your disappearing messages. If you want to change the 
> setting again, do the same thing. I hope this helps. Have a nice day.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:43 AM, marilyn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the 
>> number." Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from 
>> this chat 7 days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not 
>> change any settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been 
>> activated. I want it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information 
>> and where I am the one to delete the message or it will stay there. I have 
>> gone into settings, storage and data, manage storage, but then don't find a 
>> heading to change the setting to stop the disappearing.
>> Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks.
>> Marilyn   
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Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

No I do not, because I usually us either bluetooth headphones or a bluetooth 
speaker.
Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
> phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
> information and you want to punch in the number for
> something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
> number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
> and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
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RE: Whatsapp question

[marilyn]

Hello Ignacio, 
Thanks for your suggestions. I have followed your steps, but am having no 
success. Are there other headings I should be looking for? Also, is this 
something I need to do for each message? I would like the setting to apply to 
all messages so I don't have to deal with them individually. 
Thanks. 
Marilyn   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ignacio 
Suarez
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Whatsapp question

Hi there. Inside a chat, go to the very top where it says image. Tap on it, and 
then go down to disappearing messages. Tap on it in set it to turn it off. That 
will turn off your disappearing messages. If you want to change the setting 
again, do the same thing. I hope this helps. Have a nice day. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:43 AM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the number." 
> Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from this chat 7 
> days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not change any 
> settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been activated. I 
> want it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information and where I am 
> the one to delete the message or it will stay there. I have gone into 
> settings, storage and data, manage storage, but then don't find a heading to 
> change the setting to stop the disappearing.
> Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks.
> Marilyn   
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Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
information and you want to punch in the number for
something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
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RE: A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't think these captions you enter are read automatically by Voiceover.

From: VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 11:38 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

Hello Everyone,

I hope your summer is off to a good start, although, now that I think about it, 
summer doesn’t officially begin until later this month (smile).

After all these years, I finally decided to start using iCloud Photos.  Until 
now, I have been keeping my photos on my beloved Windows PC but, as I take more 
and more photos, the iCloud photos option began looking more attractive.

On my iPhone 14, I open a photo in the photos app.  In the details area, I 
enter a caption, such as, “Mark’s Crystal Ball.”

My quick question:  Isn’t Voice Over supposed to read the caption of that photo 
when I land on it as I browse through my photos in any given view?  If so, 
please tell me what Voice Over configuration I should use.

As to the follow-up:
I received my new walking pad.  I absolutely love, love, love it and think it 
will be a perfect device for anyone who is blind or low vision because (1) it 
has tactile button controls, (2) it has easily retractable handrails, and (3) 
it comes completely already assembled, out of the box.  But I want to wait a 
few days, just to put it through it paces before posting about it, on-list.

Okay, I think that’s about it for now.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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Re: Whatsapp question

[Ignacio Suarez]

Hi there. Inside a chat, go to the very top where it says image. Tap on it, and 
then go down to disappearing messages. Tap on it in set it to turn it off. That 
will turn off your disappearing messages. If you want to change the setting 
again, do the same thing. I hope this helps. Have a nice day. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:43 AM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the number." 
> Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from this chat 7 
> days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not change any 
> settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been activated. I 
> want it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information and where I am 
> the one to delete the message or it will stay there. I have gone into 
> settings, storage and data, manage storage, but then don't find a heading to 
> change the setting to stop the disappearing.
> Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks.
> Marilyn   
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RE: Whatsapp question

[marilyn]

Hello everyone, 
Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the number." 
Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from this chat 7 
days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not change any 
settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been activated. I want 
it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information and where I am the one 
to delete the message or it will stay there. I have gone into settings, storage 
and data, manage storage, but then don't find a heading to change the setting 
to stop the disappearing. 
Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks. 
Marilyn   

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A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

[VIPhone]

Hello Everyone,

I hope your summer is off to a good start, although, now that I think about 
it, summer doesn’t officially begin until later this month (smile).

After all these years, I finally decided to start using iCloud Photos. 
 Until now, I have been keeping my photos on my beloved Windows PC but, as 
I take more and more photos, the iCloud photos option began looking more 
attractive.

On my iPhone 14, I open a photo in the photos app.  In the details area, I 
enter a caption, such as, “Mark’s Crystal Ball.”  

My quick question:  Isn’t Voice Over supposed to read the caption of that 
photo when I land on it as I browse through my photos in any given view? 
 If so, please tell me what Voice Over configuration I should use.

As to the follow-up:
I received my new walking pad.  I absolutely love, love, love it and think 
it will be a perfect device for anyone who is blind or low vision because 
(1) it has tactile button controls, (2) it has easily retractable 
handrails, and (3) it comes completely already assembled, out of the box. 
 But I want to wait a few days, just to put it through it paces before 
posting about it, on-list.

Okay, I think that’s about it for now.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Re: Question about a website issue?

[Richard Turner]

Direct touch likely will do nothing helpful. 
Screen Recognition might work. You do not want it on all the time, so if you 
want to try it, add it to the rotor actions. Then you can turn the rotor to it 
and swipe up or down to enable it and see what happens, then toggle it off 
again. 


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> On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I have a problem with a website on my iPhone and wondered what your thoughts
> might
> be as to how to make things work or if it is a write-off.  It is for a 30
> day program on happiness, and I can not access the videos on it.  You can
> log in but when it comes to seeing the quick links menus, not happening.
> You can see a menu start and menu end after the quick links heading, but
> nothing more.  When I look at it on my computer I can see where it says day
> one, but definitely not on my iPhone.  I really don't know what direct touch
> or screen recognation is about so don't know if I should try either of
> those.  I would be happy to let someone check this out to see what your
> ideas might be.  If
> you have any thoughts or would like to try it out, email me.  Thanks much.
> I hope to hear from anyone.  Take care.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
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Question about a website issue?

[Kay Malmquist]

Hi all,
I have a problem with a website on my iPhone and wondered what your thoughts 
might
be as to how to make things work or if it is a write-off.  It is for a 30
day program on happiness, and I can not access the videos on it.  You can
log in but when it comes to seeing the quick links menus, not happening. 
You can see a menu start and menu end after the quick links heading, but 
nothing more.  When I look at it on my computer I can see where it says day 
one, but definitely not on my iPhone.  I really don't know what direct touch 
or screen recognation is about so don't know if I should try either of 
those.  I would be happy to let someone check this out to see what your 
ideas might be.  If
you have any thoughts or would like to try it out, email me.  Thanks much. 
I hope to hear from anyone.  Take care.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart."
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Follow-up on Question About Accessibility of Omnilogic App

[paekstrand]

Hi All,

 

This is just an FYI for anyone who may be looking at using the Omnilogic app
for controlling Hayward pool equipment.  The tech we are working with was
able to log in remotely to a pool which uses that equipment, and we were
able to determine that this app has very poor accessibility, to put it
mildly.  For example, once you enter scheduling the time to run the pool
pump, all voiceover says is page 1 of 1.  This was the case for every screen
we tried.

 

Just out of curiosity, we tried the same thing using Talkback on the
technician's android phone, and it seemed to be speaking all of the items
quite nicely.  

 

So, this is just a heads-up on one of those kinds of apps that you can't
really test out without having access to the equipment it controls.

 

Pam

 

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Re: Question about WhatsApp

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And don't try to read your phone number after, it seems to be an issue with VoiceOver LyneLe 18 mai 2024 à 18:04, Joseph hudson  a écrit :
Irena, the plus one should already be there if you're in the US. So the only thing you need to put in is your area code and the phone number.On May 18, 2024, at 4:59 PM, Rena  wrote:Should I type 1 for US?Should I leave any space?The number I enter is not the number that appears on the screen. It adds an additional digit. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of LyneSent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 5:24 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Question about WhatsApp Hello Rina,Only numbers and do not listen to VoiceOver  LyneLe 18 mai 2024 à 16:03, Rena <onyxfran...@gmail.com> a écrit :Hello, I deleted WhatsApp to solve the problem I had, and I reinstalled it.I’m trying to type my phone number, but it seems that I’m doing something wrong.What’s the right way to type it? What sign should I type and where? Rena -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003701daa95e%2465cc51c0%243164f540%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/874C56E4-CD6A-4676-B795-BE84976EA638%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/013101daa96e%249f492a80%24dddb7f80%24%40gmail.com.



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Re: Question about WhatsApp

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You have to be sure that your country is correct;For the numbers, no space and no 1 before LyneLe 18 mai 2024 à 17:59, Rena  a écrit :Should I type 1 for US?Should I leave any space?The number I enter is not the number that appears on the screen. It adds an additional digit.  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of LyneSent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 5:24 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Question about WhatsApp Hello Rina,Only numbers and do not listen to VoiceOver  LyneLe 18 mai 2024 à 16:03, Rena <onyxfran...@gmail.com> a écrit :Hello, I deleted WhatsApp to solve the problem I had, and I reinstalled it.I’m trying to type my phone number, but it seems that I’m doing something wrong.What’s the right way to type it? What sign should I type and where? Rena -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003701daa95e%2465cc51c0%243164f540%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/874C56E4-CD6A-4676-B795-BE84976EA638%40gmail.com.



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Re: Question about WhatsApp

[Joseph hudson]

Irena, the plus one should already be there if you're in the US. So the only 
thing you need to put in is your area code and the phone number.

> On May 18, 2024, at 4:59 PM, Rena  wrote:
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> Should I type 1 for US?
> Should I leave any space?
> The number I enter is not the number that appears on the screen. It adds an 
> additional digit.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lyne
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 5:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Question about WhatsApp
>  
> Hello Rina,
> Only numbers and do not listen to VoiceOver  
> Lyne
> 
> 
>> Le 18 mai 2024 à 16:03, Rena > <mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I deleted WhatsApp to solve the problem I had, and I reinstalled it.
>> I’m trying to type my phone number, but it seems that I’m doing something 
>> wrong.
>> What’s the right way to type it? What sign should I type and where?
>>  
>> Rena 
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RE: Question about WhatsApp

[Rena]

Should I type 1 for US?

Should I leave any space?

The number I enter is not the number that appears on the screen. It adds an 
additional digit.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about WhatsApp

 

Hello Rina,

Only numbers and do not listen to VoiceOver  

Lyne





Le 18 mai 2024 à 16:03, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > a écrit :



Hello,

 

I deleted WhatsApp to solve the problem I had, and I reinstalled it.

I’m trying to type my phone number, but it seems that I’m doing something wrong.

What’s the right way to type it? What sign should I type and where?

 

Rena 

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Re: Question about WhatsApp

[Lyne]

Hello Rina,Only numbers and do not listen to VoiceOver  LyneLe 18 mai 2024 à 16:03, Rena  a écrit :Hello, I deleted WhatsApp to solve the problem I had, and I reinstalled it.I’m trying to type my phone number, but it seems that I’m doing something wrong.What’s the right way to type it? What sign should I type and where? Rena 



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Question about WhatsApp

[Rena]

Hello,

 

I deleted WhatsApp to solve the problem I had, and I reinstalled it.

I'm trying to type my phone number, but it seems that I'm doing something
wrong.

What's the right way to type it? What sign should I type and where?

 

Rena 

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Re: question about pairing my iPhone

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Did you try forgetting the SE2 from the bluetooth and then pair with your 
first phone?  or turn off the second phone then pair the first.
  - Original Message - 
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  Subject: question about pairing my iPhone


  Hello,



  I have the Bluetooth keyboard keys to go.

  I used to pair it with my SE20. Now I paired it with my SE22.

  My problem is that I need to pair with the SE20 again, but it doesn’t let 
me do it.

  Does it mean that I can only pair with one phone? Is there any way to pair 
one phone or the other according what I need?



  Rena




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Re: question about pairing my iPhone

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That keyboard only allows one device at a time. You have to forget it on the one it is already paired to first. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 16, 2024, at 1:56 PM, Rena  wrote:Yes, I press the button and I went to settings. I click on Bluetooth and the keyboard. It said pair unsuccessful.It sounds it doesn’t let me pair with one or the other.    From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan MannSent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 4:07 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: question about pairing my iPhone I don’t know about that particular Bluetooth keyboard, but some keyboards only allow you to pair it with one device.  You probably have to hold down a certain button to put it in pairing mode. Then you can connect it with the other phone. Ryan MannCertified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialistrmann0...@gmail.com386-383-5175 On May 16, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Rena <onyxfran...@gmail.com> wrote:Hello, I have the Bluetooth keyboard keys to go.I used to pair it with my SE20. Now I paired it with my SE22.My problem is that I need to pair with the SE20 again, but it doesn’t let me do it.Does it mean that I can only pair with one phone? Is there any way to pair one phone or the other according what I need? Rena -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001a01daa7cb%244239e0e0%24c6ada2a0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2906FD84-C290-4745-A899-CBFD7A886127%40gmail.com.



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RE: question about pairing my iPhone

[Rena]

Yes, I press the button and I went to settings. I click on Bluetooth and the 
keyboard. It said pair unsuccessful.

It sounds it doesn’t let me pair with one or the other.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 4:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question about pairing my iPhone

 

I don’t know about that particular Bluetooth keyboard, but some keyboards only 
allow you to pair it with one device.  You probably have to hold down a certain 
button to put it in pairing mode. Then you can connect it with the other phone.

 

Ryan Mann

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rmann0...@gmail.com <mailto:rmann0...@gmail.com> 

386-383-5175

 





On May 16, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hello,

 

I have the Bluetooth keyboard keys to go.

I used to pair it with my SE20. Now I paired it with my SE22.

My problem is that I need to pair with the SE20 again, but it doesn’t let me do 
it.

Does it mean that I can only pair with one phone? Is there any way to pair one 
phone or the other according what I need?

 

Rena

 

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Re: question about pairing my iPhone

[Richard Turner]

While you have bluetooth settings open on your phone, It looks like you have to forget it on one device, to connect it to a different device. Then, when you want to go back to the other device, forget it, and pair it again to the other device. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 16, 2024, at 1:07 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:I don’t know about that particular Bluetooth keyboard, but some keyboards only allow you to pair it with one device.  You probably have to hold down a certain button to put it in pairing mode. Then you can connect it with the other phone.Ryan MannCertified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialistrmann0...@gmail.com386-383-5175On May 16, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Rena  wrote:Hello, I have the Bluetooth keyboard keys to go. I used to pair it with my SE20. Now I paired it with my SE22.My problem is that I need to pair with the SE20 again, but it doesn’t let me do it.Does it mean that I can only pair with one phone? Is there any way to pair one phone or the other according what I need? Rena 



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Re: question about pairing my iPhone

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I don’t know about that particular Bluetooth keyboard, but some keyboards only allow you to pair it with one device.  You probably have to hold down a certain button to put it in pairing mode. Then you can connect it with the other phone.Ryan MannCertified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialistrmann0...@gmail.com386-383-5175On May 16, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Rena  wrote:Hello, I have the Bluetooth keyboard keys to go. I used to pair it with my SE20. Now I paired it with my SE22.My problem is that I need to pair with the SE20 again, but it doesn’t let me do it.Does it mean that I can only pair with one phone? Is there any way to pair one phone or the other according what I need? Rena 



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question about pairing my iPhone

[Rena]

Hello,

 

I have the Bluetooth keyboard keys to go.

I used to pair it with my SE20. Now I paired it with my SE22.

My problem is that I need to pair with the SE20 again, but it doesn't let me
do it.

Does it mean that I can only pair with one phone? Is there any way to pair
one phone or the other according what I need?

 

Rena

 

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RE: Question about ringtone

[Richard Turner]

I’m with Sieghard.

When I got my first iPhone, it only rang 2 or three times before going to voice 
mail.  I called the carrier and they extended it so now it rings about 6 times. 
 They usually set it for a time lag, rather than a number of rings.  

So, do call your carrier and ask them to increase the time.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:41 AM
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Subject: Question about ringtone

 

Hello,

 

My phone scarcely rings twice. Is there any way to have it ringing longer?

That’s SE22.

 

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Re: Question about ringtone

[Joseph hudson]

If it's only ringing twice, there could be something wrong with your cell 
signal, which is a carrier issue or the person is calling and hanging up on you.

> On May 14, 2024, at 10:40 AM, Rena  wrote:
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> Hello,
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> That’s SE22.
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> Rena 
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RE: Question about ringtone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is typically controlled by your carrier and if you call them they may 
change how long your phone rings before it goes to voice mail.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about ringtone

Hello,

My phone scarcely rings twice. Is there any way to have it ringing longer?
That’s SE22.

Rena
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Question about ringtone

[Rena]

Hello,

 

My phone scarcely rings twice. Is there any way to have it ringing longer?

That's SE22.

 

Rena 

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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

In order for proper testing to be done I and others would need specific 
examples where it fails.  Example when sending a voice message in WhatsApp it 
fails.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Manan 
Trivedi
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Thanks Dennis for your help. Thank you others as well for responding. The 
command VO shift space works most of the time. Sometimes, however, I receive an 
error that says, “message failed to send” or something similar to that. May be 
problem is with my keyboard because, as I said,  the command does not fail all 
the times. 
 
Sent from my iPhone



On May 8, 2024, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hear is the correct answer.  .
1 position the VoiceOver cursor on the voice message button
2 press and hold VO shift space
3 if you hold this for 2 or 3 seconds, the voice message button will lock in 
the recording position.
4 talk all you want and then either press VO space or double tap on the voice 
message button.
Note I’m a keyboard user.  If you have any more questions you can email me at
dennisl1...@gmail.com <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Manan Trivedi
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 3:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
From: tech...@groups.io <mailto:tech...@groups.io>  tech...@groups.io 
<mailto:tech...@groups.io>  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
 
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Question about notifications?

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I’m running the iPhone SE second generation. I’m using the 
latest version of iOS 16. Just wondering if there is a way to change the sounds 
on notifications so that I get a different sound for the weather channel for 
example, that I do for text messages. There used to be a way to change your 
sounds for different notifications. They didn’t seem to be a way to do that 
anymore. I have to hear the tri-town for everything and I would like to have it 
be a little bit different so that I hear a different town for the weather 
channel. For example, then I do for  Messages or Calendar, or WhatsApp. Just 
wondering if there is a way to change the notifications where I get a different 
sound for different apps on the iPhone. Appreciate any help that you might be 
able to give me. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Manan Trivedi]

Thanks Dennis for your help. Thank you others as well for responding. The command VO shift space works most of the time. Sometimes, however, I receive an error that says, “message failed to send” or something similar to that. May be problem is with my keyboard because, as I said,  the command does not fail all the times. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 8, 2024, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:Hear is the correct answer.  .1 position the VoiceOver cursor on the voice message button2 press and hold VO shift space3 if you hold this for 2 or 3 seconds, the voice message button will lock in the recording position.4 talk all you want and then either press VO space or double tap on the voice message button.Note I’m a keyboard user.  If you have any more questions you can email me atdennisl1...@gmail.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Manan TrivediSent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 3:17 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I will appreciate some solution. Thanks MT Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:  That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would prefix that number with the country code of 00353. On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:From: tech...@groups.io tech...@groups.io On Behalf Of David GoldfieldSent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AMSubject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PMHow to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Mapsby Joe LonerganDetailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?Open Google MapsNavigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.While in here go to Settings.Now go to NavigationFlick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice Guidance and turn it onWe love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information and gives the user more freedom and confidence.If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 0011 and we can play it on the show.https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/   David Goldfield,Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist If you need help using your assistive technology learn about my training services by visitingWWW.ScreenReaderTraining.com Am Yisrael ChaiThe Nation of Israel Lives! JAWS Certified, 2022NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.iowww.DavidGoldfield.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/-

Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Eiret]

Yep, here is an another one that may work: go to settings app > accessability > voiceover > commands > all commands. You will find it somewhere on the all commands tree. Don't remember exactly.Eiret9. mai 2024 kl. 06:05 skrev Dennis Long :The command is vo shift space.   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jonathan CohnSent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:28 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard Well, first thing to do is discover what command that is being run.Press capslock k to bring up help mode. Then try the command.Once you discover the command “Perform long press” in this case, you can assign it to a keystroke in the voiceover settings or try and discover the  default keystroke. This is one place where Mac VoiceOver is superior to IOS in that VO+HH lets you search all VO commands and will list an assigned key for that action. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 8, 2024, at 11:07 AM, Manan Trivedi <manantrivedi...@gmail.com> wrote:Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I will appreciate some solution. Thanks MT Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:  That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would prefix that number with the country code of 00353. On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  >From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:From: tech...@groups.io tech...@groups.io On Behalf Of David GoldfieldSent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AMSubject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PMHow to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Mapsby Joe LonerganDetailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?Open Google MapsNavigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.While in here go to Settings.Now go to NavigationFlick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice Guidance and turn it onWe love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information and gives the user more freedom and confidence.If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 0011 and we can play it on the show.https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/   David Goldfield,Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist If you need help using your assistive technology learn about my training services by visitingWWW.ScreenReaderTraining.com Am Yisrael ChaiThe Nation of Israel Lives! JAWS Certified, 2022NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.iowww.DavidGoldfield.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://w

Re: Question about iPhone case

[Barbara Stahl]

Try pressing enter on the part of the page that says credit card number. If
you  hear more than one line that says credit card number try pressing
enter on all of them. You might have to do this more than once, sometimes
it doesn't take the first time.

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On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:45 AM Rena  wrote:

> I called otterbox, and indeed, they were very helpful. However, when I had
> to pay giving my credit card number to the system, it failed although I
> tried several times. I gried online, but every time I want to pay online I
> have the same problem: when I get to the payment information, I never find
> the edit field where to type. It seems that I have to open something that
> doesn’t open. I use Jaws. Is there any way to solve this problem?
>
> In any case, I found the box in Best Buy and already bought it.
>
> Thanks a lot to all that replied.
>
>
>
> Rena
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Mike B
> *Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 7:25 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Question about iPhone case
>
>
>
> Hi Rena,
>
>
>
> Here's there direct phone number and URL. If you call them they are very
> very helpful.
>
>
>
> 1-855-688-7269
>
>
> https://www.otterbox.com/
>
>
> Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool!  Go Dodgers!
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Rena 
>
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2024 12:08 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: Question about iPhone case
>
>
>
> Yes, probably yes.
>
> Do you know where else can I find it?
>
>
>
> Rena
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Esther Levegnale
> *Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 2:49 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Question about iPhone case
>
>
>
> I believe it was called OtterBox. Thanks. Have a great day everyone. Best.
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>
>
>
> On May 6, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Rena  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I bought the case from this company twice, but now I called an they don’t
> sell it anymore. I think the name was auto box, or something similar.
>
> I don’t know where to buy something that protects the phone on both sides.
> Any idea?
>
>
>
> Rena
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 4, 2024 2:12 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Question about iPhone case
>
>
>
> I don’t know if they sell cases, but could it have been ATGuys?
>
> I believe that phone is identical in size and button configuration as the
> iPhone 8.  So a case for the 8, SE and SE 2022 should fit.
>
>
>
> www.atguys.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less
> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight
> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life."
> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>
>
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Rena
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:05 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Question about iPhone case
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some
> sauerkraut on hers, so I gave her mine.
>
> I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where
> I bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide.
>
>
>
> Rena
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RE: Have a question about the Air pod Max headphones I'm getting.

[Richard Turner]

Hi Kevin,

I put together some information when I got mine and put it on my web site as 
part of my “Demos and Walk-Throughs” page.

It is about four headings down from the top of the page:

https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html

I don’t 

HTH,

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 7:30 PM
To: VIPHONE@GOOGLEGROUPS.COM
Subject: Have a question about the Air pod Max headphones I'm getting.

 

Hi.

 

My Niece got a pair of these for her birthday, and I was very impressed, 
particularly with the noise cancelation. I decided to get a pair of my own, but 
I have a question about them. I’d like to have my iPhone and PC paired with 
them at the same time, so what I could do is switch between these sources.  Is 
this possible, and what other cool things could I do with them?

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin and Jilly

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Have a question about the Air pod Max headphones I'm getting.

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

My Niece got a pair of these for her birthday, and I was very impressed, 
particularly with the noise cancelation. I decided to get a pair of my own, but 
I have a question about them. I'd like to have my iPhone and PC paired with 
them at the same time, so what I could do is switch between these sources.  Is 
this possible, and what other cool things could I do with them?

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
Kevin and Jilly

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RE: Question about iPhone case

[Rena]

I called otterbox, and indeed, they were very helpful. However, when I had to 
pay giving my credit card number to the system, it failed although I tried 
several times. I gried online, but every time I want to pay online I have the 
same problem: when I get to the payment information, I never find the edit 
field where to type. It seems that I have to open something that doesn’t open. 
I use Jaws. Is there any way to solve this problem?

In any case, I found the box in Best Buy and already bought it.

Thanks a lot to all that replied.

 

Rena

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 7:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about iPhone case

 

Hi Rena,

 

Here's there direct phone number and URL. If you call them they are very very 
helpful.

 

1-855-688-7269


https://www.otterbox.com/


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool!  Go Dodgers!

 

 

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From: Rena <mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, May 06, 2024 12:08 PM

Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

 

Yes, probably yes.

Do you know where else can I find it?

 

Rena

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 2:49 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about iPhone case

 

I believe it was called OtterBox. Thanks. Have a great day everyone. Best.

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

 

On May 6, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I bought the case from this company twice, but now I called an they don’t sell 
it anymore. I think the name was auto box, or something similar.

I don’t know where to buy something that protects the phone on both sides. Any 
idea?

 

Rena

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
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Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

 

I don’t know if they sell cases, but could it have been ATGuys?

I believe that phone is identical in size and button configuration as the 
iPhone 8.  So a case for the 8, SE and SE 2022 should fit.

 

www.atguys.com <http://www.atguys.com> 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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Subject: Question about iPhone case

 

Hello,

 

I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some sauerkraut on 
hers, so I gave her mine.

I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where I 
bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide.

 

Rena

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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

The command is vo shift space.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Well, first thing to do is discover what command that is being run.
Press capslock k to bring up help mode. Then try the command.
Once you discover the command “Perform long press” in this case, you can assign 
it to a keystroke in the voiceover settings or try and discover the  default 
keystroke.
 
This is one place where Mac VoiceOver is superior to IOS in that VO+HH lets you 
search all VO commands and will list an assigned key for that action.
 
Sent from my iPhone



On May 8, 2024, at 11:07 AM, Manan Trivedi mailto:manantrivedi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
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On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
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Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
David Goldfield,
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