[Vo]:Explainig Rossi.
Explaining Rossi. Rossi said: “We think that all the Ni participates to the reactions, even if some isotopes should be more efficient.” “Only Ni 62 and Ni64 react.” Rossi enriches his nickel in Ni62 and Ni64. Why? Through experimentation, Rossi found these isotopes performed best. But what is the theory behind this result? Nickel-62 is an isotope of nickel having 28 protons and 34 neutrons. It is a stable isotope, with the highest binding energy per nucleon of any known nuclide (8.7945 MeV). The high binding energy of nickel isotopes in general makes nickel an end product of many nuclear reactions (including neutron capture reactions) throughout the universe and accounts for the high relative abundance of nickel and nickel-60 (the second-most, with the other stable isotopes (nickel-61, nickel-62, and nickel-64) being quite rare). Nickel is the least likely element to participate in a fusion reaction. If atomic holes are the place where the Rossi reaction occurs, Rossi wants a very strong and stable support structure that can provide a three dimensional quantum box that can produce the reaction. Under the assumption that only hydrogen reacts in the quantum box and that many hydrogen atoms are fused in the Rossi reaction; the packing of all those hydrogen atoms into the lattice defects of nickel is a stressful process. If this nickel built Heisenberg box were to fail or fail apart during the packing of hydrogen, then the reaction will fail. Nickel is the most stable element because its binding energy is maximized among the elements. The nickel isotopes that are the most stable are Ni62 and Ni64. Rossi enriches his nickel in these most stable and stout isotopes because they can best support the atomic defects he uses to produce atomic events without blowing the lattice defects apart during the stresses of the atomic reactions and were nickel garbage would poison the pure hydrogen reaction. Elements on either side of nickel will perform best because of their very high binding energies.
Re: [Vo]:Explainig Rossi.
Can you evaluate the costs of enrichment? On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Explaining Rossi. Rossi said: “We think that all the Ni participates to the reactions, even if some isotopes should be more efficient.” “Only Ni 62 and Ni64 react.” Rossi enriches his nickel in Ni62 and Ni64. Why? Through experimentation, Rossi found these isotopes performed best. But what is the theory behind this result? Nickel-62 is an isotope of nickel having 28 protons and 34 neutrons. It is a stable isotope, with the highest binding energy per nucleon of any known nuclide (8.7945 MeV). The high binding energy of nickel isotopes in general makes nickel an end product of many nuclear reactions (including neutron capture reactions) throughout the universe and accounts for the high relative abundance of nickel and nickel-60 (the second-most, with the other stable isotopes (nickel-61, nickel-62, and nickel-64) being quite rare). Nickel is the least likely element to participate in a fusion reaction. If atomic holes are the place where the Rossi reaction occurs, Rossi wants a very strong and stable support structure that can provide a three dimensional quantum box that can produce the reaction. Under the assumption that only hydrogen reacts in the quantum box and that many hydrogen atoms are fused in the Rossi reaction; the packing of all those hydrogen atoms into the lattice defects of nickel is a stressful process. If this nickel built Heisenberg box were to fail or fail apart during the packing of hydrogen, then the reaction will fail. Nickel is the most stable element because its binding energy is maximized among the elements. The nickel isotopes that are the most stable are Ni62 and Ni64. Rossi enriches his nickel in these most stable and stout isotopes because they can best support the atomic defects he uses to produce atomic events without blowing the lattice defects apart during the stresses of the atomic reactions and were nickel garbage would poison the pure hydrogen reaction. Elements on either side of nickel will perform best because of their very high binding energies. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:NASA Working on LENR Replication and Theory Confirmation
NASA Working on LENR Replication and Theory Confirmation http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/05/06/nasa-working-on-lenr-replication-and-theory-confirmation/ Harry
Re: [Vo]:Terry's triode
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 6 May 2011 14:15:58 -0700: Hi, [snip] However, it is the dimension of the holes that matters most, apparently. 45.582 nm. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The NiO can be made to stick to the walls of a stainless steel surface (SSS)
In reply to Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.'s message of Fri, 6 May 2011 16:32:28 -0700: Hi, Now wouldn't it be funny if Rossi had discovered that an ordinary catalytic converter containing Ni could be used as a CF energy generator? :) [snip] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter * * * Straight from Wikipedia :-) : Warm-up period Most of the pollution put out by a car occurs during the first five minutes before the catalytic converter has warmed up sufficiently.[13] In 1999, BMW introduced the Electric Catalytic Convert, or E-CAT, in their flagship E38 750iL sedan. Coils inside the catalytic converter assemblies are heated electrically just after engine start, bringing the catalyst up to operating temperature much faster than traditional catalytic converters can, providing cleaner cold starts and low emission vehicle (LEV) compliance.[citation needed] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Explainig Rossi.
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 02:47:06 -0400: Hi, You fail to explain why pure Hydrogen would fuse to copper. Explaining Rossi. Rossi said: We think that all the Ni participates to the reactions, even if some isotopes should be more efficient. Only Ni 62 and Ni64 react. Rossi enriches his nickel in Ni62 and Ni64. Why? Through experimentation, Rossi found these isotopes performed best. But what is the theory behind this result? Nickel-62 is an isotope of nickel having 28 protons and 34 neutrons. It is a stable isotope, with the highest binding energy per nucleon of any known nuclide (8.7945 MeV). The high binding energy of nickel isotopes in general makes nickel an end product of many nuclear reactions (including neutron capture reactions) throughout the universe and accounts for the high relative abundance of nickel and nickel-60 (the second-most, with the other stable isotopes (nickel-61, nickel-62, and nickel-64) being quite rare). Nickel is the least likely element to participate in a fusion reaction. If atomic holes are the place where the Rossi reaction occurs, Rossi wants a very strong and stable support structure that can provide a three dimensional quantum box that can produce the reaction. Under the assumption that only hydrogen reacts in the quantum box and that many hydrogen atoms are fused in the Rossi reaction; the packing of all those hydrogen atoms into the lattice defects of nickel is a stressful process. If this nickel built Heisenberg box were to fail or fail apart during the packing of hydrogen, then the reaction will fail. Nickel is the most stable element because its binding energy is maximized among the elements. The nickel isotopes that are the most stable are Ni62 and Ni64. Rossi enriches his nickel in these most stable and stout isotopes because they can best support the atomic defects he uses to produce atomic events without blowing the lattice defects apart during the stresses of the atomic reactions and were nickel garbage would poison the pure hydrogen reaction. Elements on either side of nickel will perform best because of their very high binding energies. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 6 May 2011 07:53:43 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Electron annihilation doesn't produce a 1.22 MeV photon. It produces two 511 keV photons (180 deg. apart). I knew that. What I should have said was 1.22 MeV of energy. Which would also be wrong since the spin energy has to go somewhere. Where does it go? T I don't think free electrons have any spin, but I'm probably the only one who thinks so. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 6 May 2011 06:47:51 -0700: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Ed Storms suggests: H-e-H -- D The problem with this one is that the energy is all taken by the neutrino http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_reaction#The_pep_re action Robin, Yes. As far back as 1996 Mitchell Swartz concluded that this is possible, but essentially hopeless for substantial energy production in Possible Deuterium Production from Light Water Excess Enthalpy Experiments Using Nickel Cathodes, Journal New Energy volume 1, 3, 68-79 (1996). If the energy seen by Rossi were due to P-e-P, he could make a lot more money selling the deuterium than providing heat ;) ...unless of course it is followed by a CF reaction of the D. ... hey ... come to think of it ... you don't think that the deuterium tank seen at one time in Rossi's setup was indicating that he could be harvesting the ash g ? nah... The excuse given at the time was to quench the reaction, but think about it, do you quench fire with gold? Check the relative price the new gold rush? Come to think of it, if the casual observer was wondering why BLP has not countered Rossi with its own demo, yet seems to be flush with new money, then one need only imagine the price he can get from DoD/NASA for harvested Hy for use as either weapons or propellant. ...If NASA believed enough in Hydrinos to buy them from Mills, they would probably be making their own. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 06 May 2011 12:56:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] Deuterium is cheap, but helium-3 is potentially worth a fortune. If they can tune cells to crank that out, that might be fantastic! I do not think we would need He3 reactors for ordinary applications if we have cold fusion, but I gather that for specialized applications such as spacecraft it would have many advantages. I do not know much about it. I suspect because:- D + He3 = He4 + P + 18.35 MeV Lots of energy, the reactants are light weight, and the end products are both positive ions that are easy to control and direct. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Supersizing the BJT
Anyone who has touched a maxed-out transistor, even driven by a AA battery knows that these little devils can put out surprisingly high heat, even when they are operating quite efficiently at modulating the current they are passing. Is there a clue there - for the Rossi effect? A bipolar junction transistor (BJT) is a three-terminal electronic device, somewhat the counterpart of a vacuum triode, but constructed of semiconductor material. The E-Cat might in effect be a new kind of transistor - and it might help in understanding its operation to merge the BJT with a photodiode effect, in which current flow is triggered by a photon. Even a weak IR photon in the ambient range can work (with a very low or negative bandgap). At any rate - a large mass of dielectric in which Casimir cavities have been opened, can operate as a semiconductor. A dielectric support is used to hold nano-nickel alloy, which is a spillover catalyst, and in operation is filled with 'spillover hydrogen' which with zitter, attains net positive charge naturally. This arrangement can be envisioned as a negative bandgap semiconductor. When operating at 50/60 Hertz, with internal resistance - this material can be envisioned as capturing zero point energy, for excess heat effects. Bipolar transistors are so named because their operation involves electrons and 'holes' which move charge. In the context of an energy device, like the E-Cat, the 'holes' would not be imaginary, and instead are protons bouncing around in a dielectric Casimir cavity, where the proton can experience either relativistic or abnormal pressure effects. Having positive charge makes this kind of transistor hole potentially very efficient to the point of being nearly self-powered in a way. The 'energy hole' of Mills' CQM theory is a secondary connection to Rossi; and this is another potent analogy which cannot be overlooked, since a below ground state orbital has a permanent fractional charge (like an electret on steroids). We know that in Mills' theory, hydrino hydride is said to make an excellent battery due to high mobility of charge carriers - and somewhere in a merger of 'all of the above', it would seem that the stage is set for understanding or a fabulous new heating device which does not produce substantial radioactivity. At the risk of conflating field effect (FETs) and junction transistors, along with fractional hydrogen, we can say the band gap of any semiconductor has a conduction band, and a maximal-energy state in the valence band, each of which are characterized by a certain vector and gap, direct or indirect, but there is usually a positive difference to be overcome. In photonics, the photon of light provides the energy for charge movement. On paper, this photon can be IR - low temperature heat. The use of internally generated heat from ZPE to provide charge movement provides the answer to the mystery of what seems to a 'critical mass' of reactant (as a requirement). Nothing in the history of LENR has come close to these power levels before, since all of the experiments were using way too little reactant. One more point. Normally the band gap in IR photonics is positive at a fractional eV. However, in some transistors with an indirect gap, the value of the gap can be negative. IOW, the top of the valence band is higher than the bottom of the conduction band in energy. Such materials are known as 'semimetals' instead of semiconductors - and have never really been exploited in electronics - since what they gain in efficiency they lose in precision. When the giant E-Cat transistor is used for heat - the precision in not needed (there can be an occasional. A semimetal can be mixed with a high bandgap (zirconia is high) and the net effect is heat. Then there is the niche of 'negative resistance' (usually negative differential resistance) found in some transistor circuits - which would be tantamount to electrical overunity, if it were not a narrow differential effect. See where this could be going? Despite the net heat in kilowatts, the operation of the E-Cat is consistent with a gram of hydrogen operating as the positive charge carrier within a porous dielectric (net effect is semiconductor) at two frequencies - the IR on top of 50/60 cycles with the IR providing a photoelectric effect. I looked around for a vid that could convey some of the possibilities but the only thing that turns up is zinc negative differential resistance, and it takes a LOT of imagination to see that as anything more than junk at this stage... but hey ... if anyone were to find a Rossi E-Cat in trash, not knowing its internal beauty - I doubt if even a dumpster-diver would try to salvage it :-) Jones attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Hello group, This is straight from Wikipedia: * * * http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_unoid=1610895table=Invention#ancoraSearch http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi TITLE: processo ed apparecchiatura per ottenere reazioni esotermiche, in particolare da nickel ed idrogeno. (TRANSLATION: process and equipment to obtain exothermal reactions, in particular from nickel and hydrogen) N. Brevetto 0001387256 Data Deposito: 09 aprile 2008, Data Brevetto 06 aprile 2011, Inventori: Andrea Rossi. * * * I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Explainig Rossi.
The extremely high cost of enrichment has to rule this possibility out. - Original Message - From: Peter Gluck To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Explainig Rossi. Can you evaluate the costs of enrichment? On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Explaining Rossi. Rossi said: “We think that all the Ni participates to the reactions, even if some isotopes should be more efficient.” “Only Ni 62 and Ni64 react.” Rossi enriches his nickel in Ni62 and Ni64. Why? Through experimentation, Rossi found these isotopes performed best. But what is the theory behind this result? Nickel-62 is an isotope of nickel having 28 protons and 34 neutrons. It is a stable isotope, with the highest binding energy per nucleon of any known nuclide (8.7945 MeV). The high binding energy of nickel isotopes in general makes nickel an end product of many nuclear reactions (including neutron capture reactions) throughout the universe and accounts for the high relative abundance of nickel and nickel-60 (the second-most, with the other stable isotopes (nickel-61, nickel-62, and nickel-64) being quite rare). Nickel is the least likely element to participate in a fusion reaction. If atomic holes are the place where the Rossi reaction occurs, Rossi wants a very strong and stable support structure that can provide a three dimensional quantum box that can produce the reaction. Under the assumption that only hydrogen reacts in the quantum box and that many hydrogen atoms are fused in the Rossi reaction; the packing of all those hydrogen atoms into the lattice defects of nickel is a stressful process. If this nickel built Heisenberg box were to fail or fail apart during the packing of hydrogen, then the reaction will fail. Nickel is the most stable element because its binding energy is maximized among the elements. The nickel isotopes that are the most stable are Ni62 and Ni64. Rossi enriches his nickel in these most stable and stout isotopes because they can best support the atomic defects he uses to produce atomic events without blowing the lattice defects apart during the stresses of the atomic reactions and were nickel garbage would poison the pure hydrogen reaction. Elements on either side of nickel will perform best because of their very high binding energies. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Wikipedia: Rossi granted patent
Brian Josephson reports: According to infallible Wikipedia: The Italian Office for Patents and Trademarks issued the patent for the invention on 6 April 2011 Eccellente! Bravissimo! (how come we didn't hear about it earlier?) - Jed
[Vo]:New Energy Times and Rossi Portal down
The New Energy Times website and the Rossi Portal (http://rossiportal.com/) have been down since yesterday. If anyone knows how to contact Steve Krivit, you should tell him. My e-mail address for him is linked to his site, and I believe he has blocked me in any case. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia: Rossi granted patent
See: http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_unoid=1610895table=Invention#ancoraSearch http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_unoid=1610895table=Invention#ancoraSearch
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Ah, you beat me to it! I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? Isn't there a rule that they have to honor a patent in another country? (I don't know. As you see, I know little about patents.) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia: Rossi granted patent
This might not be the patent for the catalysts. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:23:19 AM Subject: [Vo]:Wikipedia: Rossi granted patent Brian Josephson reports: According to infallible Wikipedia: The Italian Office for Patents and Trademarks issued the patent for the invention on 6 April 2011 Eccellente! Bravissimo! (how come we didn't hear about it earlier?) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times and Rossi Portal down
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The New Energy Times website and the Rossi Portal (http://rossiportal.com/) have been down since yesterday. If anyone knows how to contact Steve Krivit, you should tell him. My e-mail address for him is linked to his site, and I believe he has blocked me in any case. NET is still working but the rossiportal link is down. The actual portal link is: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml which is working. T
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times and Rossi Portal down
I sent a note to Krivit. T
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times and Rossi Portal down
I couldn't get newenergytimes.com either this morning. Tell Steve. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Mats Lewan says This means the EU patent is granted. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times and Rossi Portal down
I had accessed both more times today, placed a comment it must a different explanation. Verified just now it works Peter On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't get newenergytimes.com either this morning. Tell Steve. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Casimir Cavities.
Ok, I'm game. What is a Casimir Cavity? I'm sure it's been explained here already, but probably in the middle of one of the amply populated threads. I know the smallest part the theory of the Casimir effect. Is this related? Is there a paper with a worked through example on Casimir Cavities that I can consider to help me understand what's being discussed here? Joe
Re: [Vo]:Casimir Cavities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect T On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Dr Josef Karthauser j...@tao.org.uk wrote: Ok, I'm game. What is a Casimir Cavity? I'm sure it's been explained here already, but probably in the middle of one of the amply populated threads. I know the smallest part the theory of the Casimir effect. Is this related? Is there a paper with a worked through example on Casimir Cavities that I can consider to help me understand what's being discussed here? Joe
RE: [Vo]:Casimir Cavities.
Fran Roarty has a number of blogs that follow the latest RD on various aspects of how the Casimir effect (force) can be translated into a dynamic energy source. Here is one, but it may not be the most current, since it focuses on the Mills' incarnation: http://www.byzipp.com/hydrino/ He or Scott will probably tune-in sometime today with more. -Original Message- From: Dr Josef Karthauser Ok, I'm game. What is a Casimir Cavity? I'm sure it's been explained here already, but probably in the middle of one of the amply populated threads. I know the smallest part the theory of the Casimir effect. Is this related? Is there a paper with a worked through example on Casimir Cavities that I can consider to help me understand what's being discussed here? Joe
RE: [Vo]:Casimir Cavities.
This (Cavity QED) is probably a good start: http://th-www.if.uj.edu.pl/acta/vol27/pdf/v27p2409.pdf -Original Message- From: Dr Josef Karthauser Ok, I'm game... Is there a paper with a worked through example on Casimir Cavities that I can consider to help me understand what's being discussed here? Joe
Re: [Vo]:Casimir Cavities.
I guess Casimir didn't like going to the dentist. harry ;-) - Original Message From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 1:43:50 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Casimir Cavities. This (Cavity QED) is probably a good start: http://th-www.if.uj.edu.pl/acta/vol27/pdf/v27p2409.pdf -Original Message- From: Dr Josef Karthauser Ok, I'm game... Is there a paper with a worked through example on Casimir Cavities that I can consider to help me understand what's being discussed here? Joe
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
I posted this information on the _Cold Fusion Andrea Rossi Method_ Facebook page It has attracted over 1000 fans now... Harry Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, This is straight from Wikipedia: * * * http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_unoid=1610895table=Invention#ancoraSearch h http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi TITLE: processo ed apparecchiatura per ottenere reazioni esotermiche, in particolare da nickel ed idrogeno. (TRANSLATION: process and equipment to obtain exothermal reactions, in particular from nickel and hydrogen) N. Brevetto 0001387256 Data Deposito: 09 aprile 2008, Data Brevetto 06 aprile 2011, Inventori: Andrea Rossi. * * * I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
https://www.facebook.com/#!/EnergyCatalyzer Harry I posted this information on the _Cold Fusion Andrea Rossi Method_ Facebook page It has attracted over 1000 fans now... Harry Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, This is straight from Wikipedia: * * * http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_unoid=1610895table=Invention#ancoraSearch h h http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi TITLE: processo ed apparecchiatura per ottenere reazioni esotermiche, in particolare da nickel ed idrogeno. (TRANSLATION: process and equipment to obtain exothermal reactions, in particular from nickel and hydrogen) N. Brevetto 0001387256 Data Deposito: 09 aprile 2008, Data Brevetto 06 aprile 2011, Inventori: Andrea Rossi.
[Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
For those who have not paid particular attention to the images which started the hypothesis of the last two days - that the precise operation of the E-Cat reactor could be either a triode (MAHG) type of accelerator, or a massive semiconductor bipolar junction transistor (as opposed to simply a resistively heated chamber) here is the largest image I could find: http://dibattiti.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/ecat_.jpg ... showing what appears to see a single lead from the band heater and the double leads to the axial component, which was labeled as auxiliary. When Terry noticed the single lead, it was pointed out that there are similar heaters available online with two leads. And there are similar cartridge heaters available, which could be the axial component. Therefore, if one were to believe that Andrea Rossi is being honest about the setup, even though he does not want anyone to replicate his work - then one would have to reject the transistor hypothesis, in favor of a simple configuration with two resistive heaters... ... despite the fact the main heater must transfer its heat THROUGH the water flow, meaning that in the low water temperature run (in February) the internal reactor could not have been heated to much over the water temperature from either heater, and that temperature was well below the trigger temperature. In fact, when one considers all the options, the PNP big transistor mode of operation, possibly combined with some kind of inherent photo-diode effect, makes sense on several levels. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton When Terry noticed the single lead, it was pointed out that there are similar heaters available online with two leads. Good find, Jones. However, it is evident from the piccy that the band heater does actually have two wires. See the cable on top of the first EKit with the blue tape on it. That cable has two wires and it looks like it terminates in the band heater on the second EKit. However, it doesn't mean Rossi *isn't* flowing current between the two heaters. It just makes it less definite. OK, I see what you are seeing - he spliced wires, apparently. Ron Wormus sent me the same observation. Even with two leads to the band heater, the problem remains of getting high temps into an internal reactor through the water flow - in a situation of the trigger heat being substantially higher temperature than the water flow. Apparently they did pull this off in Fed and it could not have been easy. But, going back to your other observation, how would you flow current between two heaters, exactly? Have one at higher potential? I've never heard of it being done, but it would be worth pursuing, since it would at least provide a way to get the device up to the trigger temperature (even if the transistor hypothesis is false). Is anyone setup to test this hypothesis with two heaters ? Jones
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On 2011-05-07 17:55, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mats Lewan says This means the EU patent is granted. Not necessarily, I'm afraid. Or does he know more about this matter? By the way, it looks like Defkalion Green Technologies is aware of people's response to E-Cat related news. Have a look at their homepage as of today: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ They've already put references to the Italian patent approved last month but that only recently (in the last couple days) people discovered. I don't think they would have done that without the exposure on Wikipedia and other channels (maybe even Vortex-l ?) on the Internet. Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
Yes, I caught that too... Here is the end of the band heater leads for the middle reactor... You can clearly see two (dirty-whitish) wires exiting the braided steel sheath. -Mark Outlook.jpg
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: But, going back to your other observation, how would you flow current between two heaters, exactly? Have one at higher potential? Sure. But to know if it is being done, one has to see inside the reactor. I assume the auxiliary heater in the end feeds a nichrome (?) wire inside the reactor to directly heat the inside. If that heater was at a higher potential the band heater, current could flow from the wire into the reactor powder, assuming it is in contact, through the reactor, the copper and to the band heater. Or vice versa. T
[Vo]:Relativistic Casimir Cavities
The Casimir Effect is often explained by the example of two grounded, metal plates that are separated by a very small distance, usually, 100 to a 1000 nm separation. Small frequencies of the electromagnetic quantum flux of the Quantum Vacuum or Zero-Point Energy field exist both inside the cavity between the two plates as well as outside of the cavity. Therefore, these small waves exert the same amount of radiation pressure on both sides of each plate; however, the em waves that do not fit inside the cavity without grounding out on the plates do not exert radiation pressure inside the cavity; therefore, we are left with a net radiation pressure of the larger waves outside of the cavity that act only on the outside of the cavity, pushing the one-moveable plate toward the other. Other interpretations include such things as explaining Van de Waals forces in terms of London Force, but on a larger distance scale, then explaining Casimir Forces in terms of adjusting the Van de Waals Theory (which is already quite a stretch) to explain the yet larger distances in the Casimir Experiment. A third explanation says that the Quantum Vacuum becomes polarize, the virtual photons acting perpendicular to the two plates. Francis and I are investigating a fourth explanation that is a sort of Inverse Relativity wherein, due to Lorentz Invariance, we believe that the same wavelengths exist and outside the cavity (as do some of the Vacuum-Polarization People) but that these frequencies are somehow blue shifted so as to fit inside the cavity. But this seems odd to Francis and I if one doesn't also account for relativistic contraction or dilation of motion along the local time axis; in other words, the shortened oscillations of these photons force some of their oscillation motion to be expressed in their motion along the time axis. (We do not think in terms of time passing, rather we think in terms of different object moving through time-space at different rates, even though spatially they are right next to each other, but one object is in the cavity and one is outside the cavity. We predicted , for example, that radioactive gases would decay slower or faster, according to various possible conditions inside of cavities made of different material. This has been experimentally confirmed, independent of us, and without a know connection to our Relativistic Cavity Theory. Light can traverse these cavities seemingly in excess of c, but we argue instead, that the speed of light is the same inside the cavity, but travel along the time axis is accelerated. Several Patent by Haisch discuss the possibility of cycling a gas into and out of nano-spongeous array. When the orbitals contract, heat is given off. They call this the hydrino theory and seemingly can be bothered with considering the Relativistic possibilities. We further believe that this may be part or all of the Anomalous Heat Phenomenon aka LENR, or Cold Fusion. One of my more recent posts discusses this from the standpoint of certain Van de Graaf generator phenomena of like-charge clustering and Literal-Spin. ScottWm. Scott SmithHome 509 326 1307 Work 509 315 1194 Experiments have shown that From: j...@tao.org.uk Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:47:47 +0100 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Casimir Cavities. Ok, I'm game. What is a Casimir Cavity? I'm sure it's been explained here already, but probably in the middle of one of the amply populated threads. I know the smallest part the theory of the Casimir effect. Is this related? Is there a paper with a worked through example on Casimir Cavities that I can consider to help me understand what's being discussed here? Joe
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
The axial wires look like typical leads to a cartridge heater http://www.tempco.com/new/products5.html A long version off this kind of heater could contact the reactor at the end, and then it could transfer some heat to it, but most of the heat would lost to the water which flows all around it, correct? This kind of heater in operation should not have a surface voltage potential much above ground. That is the problem of imagining current flow. J. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton But, going back to your other observation, how would you flow current between two heaters, exactly? Have one at higher potential? Sure. But to know if it is being done, one has to see inside the reactor. I assume the auxiliary heater in the end feeds a nichrome (?) wire inside the reactor to directly heat the inside. If that heater was at a higher potential the band heater, current could flow from the wire into the reactor powder, assuming it is in contact, through the reactor, the copper and to the band heater. Or vice versa. T
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
A quick and dirty test comes to mind. Anybody got two of the immersion water heaters used by travelers? http://www.amazon.com/Bush-CH-101-Energy-Saving-Immersion-Heater/dp/B003DLB5 KW The idea would be to place two of them in a semi-conductive liquid (water with a dash of salt), and apply higher voltage to one of the two, to see if there is current between the two . .not sure if this is as simple as it sounds.
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
On 2011-05-07 23:11, Jones Beene wrote: The axial wires look like typical leads to a cartridge heater http://www.tempco.com/new/products5.html They do look like those. A long version off this kind of heater could contact the reactor at the end, and then it could transfer some heat to it, but most of the heat would lost to the water which flows all around it, correct? That's what I'd figure out. A schematic view of the E-Cat would be something like this: http://i.imgur.com/llVoU.png Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
Thanks, Akira A schematic view of the E-Cat would be something like this: http://i.imgur.com/llVoU.png Yes, This is exactly the way it appeared to me at first, given all that is known from the images - with only an internal cooling tube and NO external water flow around the outside of the reactor. My original view is documented in the archive and it is precisely this image. I was completely overruled on that assessment by everyone else on vortex, without exception AFAIK except for Ed Storms - as they were convinced that there must be external water flow, as well as internal. Rossi also claims there is external flow, and since the 'great man' has spoken, I did not pursue the topic and this layout, which I think could be correct, but for one detail. Thanks for reminding me... To be continued... Jones
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
If you missed this old post, here is s repeat: When the Cat-E was downsized, the reaction chamber was greatly reduced in size. So was the internal heater in like proportion. But the copper pipes in the water loop are standard commercial grade sizes and therefore stayed the same size. Remaining the same size, these pipes would take away heat by conduction at the same rate in all sized Cat-E systems. The smaller internal heater could not now overcome the thermal inertia that these copper pipes produce when the catalyst/ hydrogen is conditioned during startup. The reaction chamber must get up to 400C to condition the catalyst with hydrogen when the hydrogen is initially loaded. The internal heater could not do that any longer since it would have been greatly downsized. A supplemental external band heater was added to heat these external copper pipes in the water loop so that the internally heater would not have to overcome that heat drain overhead imposed by the structure of the Cat-E. On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Thanks, Akira A schematic view of the E-Cat would be something like this: http://i.imgur.com/llVoU.png Yes, This is exactly the way it appeared to me at first, given all that is known from the images - with only an internal cooling tube and NO external water flow around the outside of the reactor. My original view is documented in the archive and it is precisely this image. I was completely overruled on that assessment by everyone else on vortex, without exception AFAIK except for Ed Storms - as they were convinced that there must be external water flow, as well as internal. Rossi also claims there is external flow, and since the 'great man' has spoken, I did not pursue the topic and this layout, which I think could be correct, but for one detail. Thanks for reminding me... To be continued... Jones
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
On 2011-05-08 00:47, Axil Axil wrote: If you missed this old post, here is s repeat: [...] So, are you suggesting there is a core surrounded by water, like this? http://i.imgur.com/pwZW2.png (Both versions together: http://i.imgur.com/Kf7mO.png ) Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
The dubble pipe configuration is pictured in the patent with the addition of the external band heater http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=Ddate=20091015DB=EPODOClocale=en_EPCC=WONR=2009125444A1KC=A1 On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-05-08 00:47, Axil Axil wrote: If you missed this old post, here is s repeat: [...] So, are you suggesting there is a core surrounded by water, like this? http://i.imgur.com/pwZW2.png (Both versions together: http://i.imgur.com/Kf7mO.png ) Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
This is not physically possible. The heat (temperature) transferable from the heaters to the core, even with the lowest possible water flow, cannot greatly exceed 100 C with a design where water separates the exterior heater from the reactor; and water is also surrounding the interior heater for most of its length. All the electrical energy goes to raising steam instead of heating the core. -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa So, are you suggesting there is a core surrounded by water, like this? http://i.imgur.com/pwZW2.png
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
From Jones, A schematic view of the E-Cat would be something like this: http://i.imgur.com/llVoU.png Yes, This is exactly the way it appeared to me at first, given all that is known from the images - with only an internal cooling tube and NO external water flow around the outside of the reactor. My original view is documented in the archive and it is precisely this image. I was completely overruled on that assessment by everyone else on vortex, without exception AFAIK except for Ed Storms - as they were convinced that there must be external water flow, as well as internal. Rossi also claims there is external flow, and since the 'great man' has spoken, I did not pursue the topic and this layout, which I think could be correct, but for one detail. Thanks for reminding me... As for being completely overruled - not quite true, Jones. I recall posting my own my personal thoughts on the idea that the reactor could be designed in the shape of a toroid. I certainly never overruled the toroid shape. Makes sense to me. I also wasn't initially aware of the fact that Ed Storms had apparently come up with the same concept, and no doubt before I had. It certainly wasn't a collaborative effort on my part. I still think a toroid reactor design makes the most sense. How can one heat a heater much above 100 c if the conductive heat has to pass through water first. Not going to happen. With that said, I offer my own disclaimer: Ed Storms obviously knows a lot more about what's possibly going on here that I. I feel like I was just shooting in the dark, and got lucky for once! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
Yeah, we all have been speculumating. Now that the patent is issued, maybe we will get to look to see what is really inside that dark area. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 11:44:15 -0400: Hi, [snip] Ah, you beat me to it! I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? Isn't there a rule that they have to honor a patent in another country? (I don't know. As you see, I know little about patents.) - Jed Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
I should add that in this second image, if the external water flow was via channels which are machined into a tight fitting internal reactor, such that the internal reactor has good electrical contact with the heater, then this is consistent with the transistor hypothesis, but not with resistive heating. The resistor would still be fighting steam in order to transfer heat. However, electrical current still has an unimpeded a pathway from the axial internal heater to the external band heater (awaiting testing of that precise concept). Therefore, if the internal is at 60 volts and the external at 220 volts, then current can flow DIRECTLY through the absorbed-hydrogen in the nanocavities, and raise the temperature to the trigger level easily without the impediment of raising steam in the coolant first. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene This is not physically possible. The heat (temperature) transferable from the heaters to the core, even with the lowest possible water flow, cannot greatly exceed 100 C with a design where water separates the exterior heater from the reactor; and water is also surrounding the interior heater for most of its length. All the electrical energy goes to raising steam instead of heating the core. -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa So, are you suggesting there is a core surrounded by water, like this? http://i.imgur.com/pwZW2.png
[Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7
Anyone notice the Fraud warning message posted at the Defkalion web site? * * * * * * * WARNING(April 7, 2011) A serious fraud attempt has occurred from the site www.energycatalyzer.us, where, unbeknownst to us and without our authorization, our logo and company name were used to solicit moneys from the public for purposes not related to our company and our activities. All legal actions against persons and companies related to this fraud, including the Netherlands based company, as well as any and all other similar actions that may appear in the future, will be pursued by law. For official communication and information regarding the Andrea Rossi Energy Catalyzer, please visit: www.defkalion-energy.com or www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com Management and Legal Counsel Defkalion Green Technologies s.a. * * * * * * * Last time I checked www.energycatalyzer.us, it doesn't seem to work anymore. Looks like it's already been taken down. --- Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: So, are you suggesting there is a core surrounded by water, like this? http://i.imgur.com/pwZW2.png That is how Rossi described it. There might be a language problem, but I am pretty sure that is what he meant. He also said emphatically that the cell is stainless steel. It does not seem likely that he would put a copper jacket around a stainless steel cell, so if it is stainless steel, I suppose the first configuration ( http://i.imgur.com/llVoU.png) is ruled out. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7
Goodness gracious! The site www.energycatalyzer.us is still down. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Ah, you beat me to it! I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? I have no idea. I don't know enough Italian to judge. I will ask Rossi. The Defkalion site says the patent was granted, but maybe they do not understand Italian procedures either. See: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ - Jed
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
Steven - I did not remember that you were a toroidista :) - but in the end, I think you agree that either it is a toroid or else there has to be some kind of current going through the powder, otherwise - it is not going to heat up. Electrical current directly through the nanopowder has theoretical advantages, as well, since an electron flow could be beneficial to any M.O., but that does not mean it is happening this way, if the facts show otherwise. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson From Jones, A schematic view of the E-Cat would be something like this: http://i.imgur.com/llVoU.png Yes, This is exactly the way it appeared to me at first, given all that is known from the images - with only an internal cooling tube and NO external water flow around the outside of the reactor. My original view is documented in the archive and it is precisely this image. I was completely overruled on that assessment by everyone else on vortex, without exception AFAIK except for Ed Storms - as they were convinced that there must be external water flow, as well as internal. Rossi also claims there is external flow, and since the 'great man' has spoken, I did not pursue the topic and this layout, which I think could be correct, but for one detail. Thanks for reminding me... As for being completely overruled - not quite true, Jones. I recall posting my own my personal thoughts on the idea that the reactor could be designed in the shape of a toroid. I certainly never overruled the toroid shape. Makes sense to me. I also wasn't initially aware of the fact that Ed Storms had apparently come up with the same concept, and no doubt before I had. It certainly wasn't a collaborative effort on my part. I still think a toroid reactor design makes the most sense. How can one heat a heater much above 100 c if the conductive heat has to pass through water first. Not going to happen. With that said, I offer my own disclaimer: Ed Storms obviously knows a lot more about what's possibly going on here that I. I feel like I was just shooting in the dark, and got lucky for once! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Thermal diode
http://www.rle.mit.edu/media/pr147/33.pdf Is there such a beast as an electrothermal diode? This paper pops up: T. Veijola and M. Valtonen, Combined electrical and thermal circuit simulation using APLAC, Part B: Electrothermal diode and transistor, Tech. Rep. CT-27, HUT, Circuit Theory Laboratory, Espoo, 1996. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:39 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Last time I checked www.energycatalyzer.us, it doesn't seem to work anymore. Looks like it's already been taken down. Go Seals! T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:34 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? Nope. The form says issued and a new number is applied. From the Grik web site: Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application number MI2008A 000629 T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:34 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? Nope. The form says issued and a new number is applied. From the Grik web site: Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application number MI2008A 000629 My bet is that strings were pulled because someone(s) were getting close to guessing. Now, will we get to see the patent and does it include the secret, only the Shadow knows. T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
I think we will see ECats starting to be pumped out. Revenue will flow in. Challenges will be issued. Lawyers will be unleased. I doubt that any of us will live to see a resolution to the claims; but, we might all benefit from the products. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Didn't we all notice that the patent does not include Focardi's name? T
RE: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
LOL. The Chinese curse ... ...If you are Rossi, then the next of the 3 curses could be worse: May you come to the attention of those in authority Curse or no, these are interesting times ... -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? Nope. The form says issued and a new number is applied. From the Grik web site: You lost me. What is the Grik web site? Greek? What site? The Italian Wikipedia says the following, translated by Google: All Italian Patent and Trademark Office has filed an application on behalf of his wife Andrea Rossi Maddalena Pascucci ie, for a patent for the Energy Catalyser (Patent No. 0001387256). The title of the patent is process and apparatus for exothermic reactions, particularly nickel and hydrogen . The filing date is April 9, 2008. The patent was granted April 6, 2011. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalizzatore_di_energia_di_Rossi_e_Focardi#Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application number MI2008A 000629 This is here: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009125444 You can read the whole thing. I assume this is it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You lost me. What is the Grik web site? Greek? What site? Defkalion Green Technologies S.A. is a legal entity operating under Greek Law with sole purpose to sell, license, and manufacture industrialized commercially applicable products using the Andrea Rossi's patent protected* Energy Catalyzer with global exclusivity rights; except the Americas. (*Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application number MI2008A 000629, http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_unoid=1610895table=Invention#ancoraSearch )
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application number MI2008A 000629 This is here: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009125444 You can read the whole thing. I assume this is it. That's the application. Noone has seen the actual patent #0001387256 and might not. If I were the Italian government, I would sequester it for security reasons. Consider that you now have two EU governments who might accept that they have the most valuable asset in their hands since King Midas. Once convinced, would not you, as the head of the government, see to it that the bureaucracy expedited the paper? T
RE: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Greece (the government) is in a real financial mess, so there is tremendous pressure to stimulate their economy and get tax revenues up. They've just been handed a goose laying golden eggs... They'd be complete idiots to kill and eat the goose... But governments have done stranger things! -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application number MI2008A 000629 This is here: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009125444 You can read the whole thing. I assume this is it. That's the application. Noone has seen the actual patent #0001387256 and might not. If I were the Italian government, I would sequester it for security reasons. Consider that you now have two EU governments who might accept that they have the most valuable asset in their hands since King Midas. Once convinced, would not you, as the head of the government, see to it that the bureaucracy expedited the paper? T
RE: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Good find Terry! As I said in previous posting, the Greek govt is facing major financial problems and internal unrest, and given the fact that they may be in posession of the golden egg-laying goose, are going to exploit that opportunity to its fullest. I don't think this latest move is a coincidence... They are posturing now because they've gained a tremendous amount of leverage (via E-Cat/Defkalion). Interesting times doesn't even describe what is taking place! -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent And what about this little tidbit: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,761201,00.html Greece Considers Exit from Euro Zone By Christian Reiermann REUTERS A protest against austerity measures in Athens. Greece is considering leaving the euro zone, according to sources in the German government. The debt crisis in Greece has taken on a dramatic new twist. Sources with information about the government's actions have informed SPIEGEL ONLINE that Athens is considering withdrawing from the euro zone. The common currency area's finance ministers and representatives of the European Commission are holding a secret crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night. Greece's economic problems are massive, with protests against the government being held almost daily. Now Prime Minister George Papandreou apparently feels he has no other option: SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained information from German government sources knowledgeable of the situation in Athens indicating that Papandreou's government is considering abandoning the euro and reintroducing its own currency. more Well, I might be injecting more to this than I should, but what Sword of Damocles might the Greek government hold over the head of the EU? A threat of bankruptcy or exclusive rights in the EU to a new energy source? It all could be coincidence; but, did we know about the patent before today? Interesting times, indeed! T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You are saying the patent might be different from the application? How so? We do not know what is in the recently granted patent. Plus we do not know what pressures might have been brought to bear on the patent office to rapidly consider a grant. T
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
Jones: If I might provide some additional thoughts/analysis... 1) The only way the resistance heaters can 'heat' is if there's a low resistance path thru the heating element (i.e., a large current flow). If that's the case, then I doubt you could generate any significant voltage potential between the axial heater and the band heater. 2) The only way I see to generate a signif potential between the two heaters is to leave one of the leads floating, thus, BOTH heater leads are at the same potential. However, this means there is no current flow thru that heater and thus, no heating. 3) Could they be using the heaters as heaters for the pre-ignition phase, and then floating one lead of one of the heaters in order to generate the electric field between the two heaters' leads? -Mark -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 5:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT Steven - I did not remember that you were a toroidista :) - but in the end, I think you agree that either it is a toroid or else there has to be some kind of current going through the powder, otherwise - it is not going to heat up. Electrical current directly through the nanopowder has theoretical advantages, as well, since an electron flow could be beneficial to any M.O., but that does not mean it is happening this way, if the facts show otherwise. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson From Jones, A schematic view of the E-Cat would be something like this: http://i.imgur.com/llVoU.png Yes, This is exactly the way it appeared to me at first, given all that is known from the images - with only an internal cooling tube and NO external water flow around the outside of the reactor. My original view is documented in the archive and it is precisely this image. I was completely overruled on that assessment by everyone else on vortex, without exception AFAIK except for Ed Storms - as they were convinced that there must be external water flow, as well as internal. Rossi also claims there is external flow, and since the 'great man' has spoken, I did not pursue the topic and this layout, which I think could be correct, but for one detail. Thanks for reminding me... As for being completely overruled - not quite true, Jones. I recall posting my own my personal thoughts on the idea that the reactor could be designed in the shape of a toroid. I certainly never overruled the toroid shape. Makes sense to me. I also wasn't initially aware of the fact that Ed Storms had apparently come up with the same concept, and no doubt before I had. It certainly wasn't a collaborative effort on my part. I still think a toroid reactor design makes the most sense. How can one heat a heater much above 100 c if the conductive heat has to pass through water first. Not going to happen. With that said, I offer my own disclaimer: Ed Storms obviously knows a lot more about what's possibly going on here that I. I feel like I was just shooting in the dark, and got lucky for once! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 22:25:02 -0400: Hi, [snip] A protest against austerity measures in Athens. Greece is considering leaving the euro zone, according to sources in the German government. [snip] I don't really see the point. Bankrupt is bankrupt. It's not the fault of the Euro, and changing currencies isn't going to make any difference. If Defkalion is playing a part, then Greece's fortunes will turn (it's Nickel reserves are worth about 3 trillion in energy dollars; assuming 30% conversion efficiency and Ni62/64 only), and it still won't matter whether or not it's part of the Euro. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 19:39:32 -0700: Hi, [snip] 2) The only way I see to generate a signif potential between the two heaters is to leave one of the leads floating, thus, BOTH heater leads are at the same potential. However, this means there is no current flow thru that heater and thus, no heating. [snip] Unless the current flows to one heater through a wire, then to the next heater through the body of the device, then back to the power supply via one wire of the other heater. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I don't really see the point. Bankrupt is bankrupt. It's not the fault of the Euro, and changing currencies isn't going to make any difference. If Defkalion is playing a part, then Greece's fortunes will turn (it's Nickel reserves are worth about 3 trillion in energy dollars; assuming 30% conversion efficiency and Ni62/64 only), and it still won't matter whether or not it's part of the Euro. Isn't it tantamount to abandoning the petrodollar as the currency for purchasing oil? You can buy ECats with a Euro or you can buy them with a currency that Greece controls. Looks to me like George could be in the driver's seat. T
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
Several thoughts: 1) If there are ANY dielectrics in the path from one heater to the other, then this is a NO GO since one would need a low resistance path. 2) That would require a low resistance (a few ohms at MOST, if not less) path thru whatever the electric current is traversing... What's the resistivity of Ni/NiO -Mark -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:51 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 19:39:32 -0700: Hi, [snip] 2) The only way I see to generate a signif potential between the two heaters is to leave one of the leads floating, thus, BOTH heater leads are at the same potential. However, this means there is no current flow thru that heater and thus, no heating. [snip] Unless the current flows to one heater through a wire, then to the next heater through the body of the device, then back to the power supply via one wire of the other heater. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Oh, heck, the ECat is probably a measurement error anyway. I'm going to bed. :-) T
RE: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Sweet Dreams... Of E-Cats jumping over band-gaps! -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent Oh, heck, the ECat is probably a measurement error anyway. I'm going to bed. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 19:58:17 -0700: Hi, [snip] Several thoughts: 1) If there are ANY dielectrics in the path from one heater to the other, then this is a NO GO since one would need a low resistance path. 2) That would require a low resistance (a few ohms at MOST, if not less) path thru whatever the electric current is traversing... What's the resistivity of Ni/NiO Surely the whole point would be to create a current through the Ni? Ni is a metal and as such is a reasonable conductor. As a powder it would be less than a solid, but it also has lots of parallel paths. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
-Original Message- From: Mark Iverson If I might provide some additional thoughts/analysis... 1) The only way the resistance heaters can 'heat' is if there's a low resistance path thru the heating element (i.e., a large current flow). If that's the case, then I doubt you could generate any significant voltage potential between the axial heater and the band heater. Mark, I agree that it does not seem likely at all ! ... but low is a relative term and there are not many other good choices for how the heat gets transferred into the reactor (on startup) and why additional power is needed during operation. Things are not always as they seem, so that's why there is a suggestion that at least some kind of testing should be done to see if there can be a significant current flow between two resistance heaters, as unlikely as it sounds. There is a lack of viable choices to model this. There is little doubt that in the end - the operation of this device is going to surprise all of the experts, and maybe even Rossi. Nothing really adds up now. Jones
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 22:54:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I don't really see the point. Bankrupt is bankrupt. It's not the fault of the Euro, and changing currencies isn't going to make any difference. If Defkalion is playing a part, then Greece's fortunes will turn (it's Nickel reserves are worth about 3 trillion in energy dollars; assuming 30% conversion efficiency and Ni62/64 only), and it still won't matter whether or not it's part of the Euro. Isn't it tantamount to abandoning the petrodollar as the currency for purchasing oil? You can buy ECats with a Euro or you can buy them with a currency that Greece controls. Looks to me like George could be in the driver's seat. T You might be right, but would it really make all that much difference? Germany does just fine using the Euro (because of it's exports), and wouldn't even contemplate leaving it. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
-Original Message- From: Mark Iverson 1) If there are ANY dielectrics in the path from one heater to the other, then this is a NO GO since one would need a low resistance path. Agreed. One thought that came up in the original posting was the negative, or very low bandgap suggestion, where an IR photon (emitted from the Casimir cavity) opens-up, or changes the apparent resistance in the dielectric (photonic semiconductor) from too high to very low (negative) for an instant ... IOW the bandgap for zirconia would shift to negative when a IR photon was absorbed. I know, it is too bizarre to mention in polite company, but where is the sanity in a great society like our own that pays out millions for a stupid horse race, or an illiterate baseball star, and yet cannot support basic RD in this vitally important field This technology should have been in place 20 years ago. Jones
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Surely the whole point would be to create a current through the Ni? Ni is a metal and as such is a reasonable conductor. As a powder it would be less than a solid, but it also has lots of parallel paths. Robin, As I understand the dynamics of this situation, one cannot pass a current through a nanopowder without promoting instant agglomeration - which over time proceeds progressively back into a bulk conductor. That is why a 'support' is required - to prevent conductivity by the metal, which will ruin the nanopowder geometry. However, if the support itself can be made temporarily conductive, such as via the absorption of an IR photon, then this is a way to maintain the process over extended periods with a semblance of electrical conductivity plus nano-geometry coexisting in the same material. Jones
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
The Principle of operation: (the secret process that makes the Cat-E go) between the small 2.5 kw reactor in which the band heater is used and the 10 kw Cat-E in which only the internal heater is used is the same. Logically, the band heater does not drive or in any way affect the “secret” motive force behind the Rossi reactor. If the external band heater were a driver of the reaction and since the big Cat-E does not have one, then the big Cat-E should not work … but it does. Logic says that the external band heater is not central to the basic mechanisms of the Cat-E and it is just a startup source of heat. On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Surely the whole point would be to create a current through the Ni? Ni is a metal and as such is a reasonable conductor. As a powder it would be less than a solid, but it also has lots of parallel paths. Robin, As I understand the dynamics of this situation, one cannot pass a current through a nanopowder without promoting instant agglomeration - which over time proceeds progressively back into a bulk conductor. That is why a 'support' is required - to prevent conductivity by the metal, which will ruin the nanopowder geometry. However, if the support itself can be made temporarily conductive, such as via the absorption of an IR photon, then this is a way to maintain the process over extended periods with a semblance of electrical conductivity plus nano-geometry coexisting in the same material. Jones
RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
Do we have any idea on what kinds of voltages the heaters are being subjected to??? As I stated in a previous posting, I've tried to look at the oscilloscope screens on some of the videos, but cannot make out the vertical scale nor the timebase scale... As far as the 'ol-timer' Vorts are concerned, I often feel like I'm 'stating the obvious'! But, for the younger crowd that might be a bit intimidated to contribute, I hope this serves to show that we try to critique our own ideas in order to get to the truth; to not fool ourselves. The reason I hang here is because this is much closer to true peer-review as any official peer-reviewed journals out there... I think Vorts are driven by 'truth' and facts, and less by ideologies/theories.. Certainly not tenure and funding. It's not wed to any particular theories; it's open-minded, but requiring facts/empirical data, not anecdotal 'evidence'. -Mark -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson If I might provide some additional thoughts/analysis... 1) The only way the resistance heaters can 'heat' is if there's a low resistance path thru the heating element (i.e., a large current flow). If that's the case, then I doubt you could generate any significant voltage potential between the axial heater and the band heater. Mark, I agree that it does not seem likely at all ! ... but low is a relative term and there are not many other good choices for how the heat gets transferred into the reactor (on startup) and why additional power is needed during operation. Things are not always as they seem, so that's why there is a suggestion that at least some kind of testing should be done to see if there can be a significant current flow between two resistance heaters, as unlikely as it sounds. There is a lack of viable choices to model this. There is little doubt that in the end - the operation of this device is going to surprise all of the experts, and maybe even Rossi. Nothing really adds up now. Jones
Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 20:47:11 -0700: Hi, [snip] As I understand the dynamics of this situation, one cannot pass a current through a nanopowder without promoting instant agglomeration - which over time proceeds progressively back into a bulk conductor. ...perhaps that's why it needs to be replaced after 6 months? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
