Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

[Patrick Ellul]

If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows
installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and
understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as
ones and zeros on a memory device.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro  wrote:

> Any psychological/psychiatric/**philosophical attempt to understand the
> soul is doom to failure from the onset.
>
> Let says you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who designed the
> Pentuim chip.  Without understanding of the software, can you discern the
> operation of a PC from your understanding of the
> hardware/Chips/IC/CPU/GPU/etc?  At best, you understanding would be
> severely incomplete and faulty.  Software is the intangible thing that
> controls the behavior of the computer.  Software controls the hardware.
>
> On the same token, experts in Psychology/Psychiatry/**
> Philosophy/Sociology/Humanism/**etc, can never hope to completely
> understand the Human Soul.  It is that intangible entity - the soul, that
> controls the hardware consisting of your brain cells/neurons, etc.  The
> Software soul is what needs to be understood for us to understand the
> behavior of man.  You need to study the soul, not the brain.  The brain is
> simply a mechanism that the soul controls much like the CPU chip is the
> mechanism that MS Windows controls.  The analogy is apt and accurate.
>
> Hence, one is wasting their time trying to study all the ideas of these
> philosophers/psychologists/**psychiatrists/etc.  They are at best
> severely incomplete, at worst gravely misleading.
>
> If you want to understand the spiritual soul, go to the one who wrote the
> software soul.  Study his book - the Bible to have a better understanding
> of human behavior.
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
>
>
>
>  I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of
>> consciousness to date.  It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction,
>> or Orch-OR.  The two actually developed the idea separately, Sir
>> Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who
>> specialized in anesthesia and cancer research.  Roger was seeking a
>> model of the brain that did not require computation.  Hameroff wanted
>> to know how anesthesia worked and where the conscious went when under.
>> Penrose theorizes that spacetime is granular at the size of the
>> Planck length and that quantum superposition is linked to the
>> curvature.  Orchestrated Reduction is the collapse of the
>> superposition.
>>
>> Hameroff brought in the neuron microtubles which provide the
>> structure.  He sees a synchronous oscillation in neural MT can
>> influence other neurons.  Together they see these electrons as a sea
>> embedded in the geometry of spacetime.
>>
>> Needless to say, they have many critics.  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>


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[Vo]:Uranium vs Thorium Nuclear Energy Generation

[Patrick Ellul]

Hello collective,

Is Thorium really safer? And is it reallya a feasible solution?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628905.600-indias-thoriumbased-nuclear-dream-inches-closer.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news

Regards,
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Uranium vs Thorium Nuclear Energy Generation

[Patrick Ellul]

Thanks Jeff. Can enriched Thorium also be used for nuclear weapons?

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> I've looked at this a little. It's been under study for over 30 years, so
> the pros and cons are pretty well understood. The wikipedia page ("thorium
> fuel cycle") covers them. It's definitely feasible, probably an economic
> win for countries with a lot of thorium (e.g. India), and arguably a little
> safer. But for me, bottom line is that it doesn't change the fundamentals.
> There are still waste handling issues and reactor design issues and nuclear
> economy/proliferation issues. So moving from U to Th is a difference (in
> the technology sphere) that doesn't really make a difference (in the public
> policy sphere).
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> Hello collective,
>>
>> Is Thorium really safer? And is it reallya a feasible solution?
>>
>>
>> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628905.600-indias-thoriumbased-nuclear-dream-inches-closer.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news
>>
>> Regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Uranium vs Thorium Nuclear Energy Generation

[Patrick Ellul]

Thanks again Jeff. Will have a look at those references.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> Thorium itself cannot be used directly. Natural thorium is mostly composed
> of a single isotope, Th-232, that is only fertile, not fissile. Use of
> thorium in a power reactor or weapon requires that the natural Th-232 be
> transmuted within an already-operating reactor to U-233, which is fissile.
> This "breeding" of U-233 is analogous to the way plutonium is "bred" in a
> reactor from natural uranium.
>
> The difference is that in addition to the merely-fertile U-238, natural
> uranium contains a nontrivial amount of fissile U-235 which can be
> extracted (at significant expense) and used directly to make weapons. With
> thorium, the only path to weapons-grade material requires an operating
> reactor to produce fertile U-233 by transmutation. This requirement for an
> operating reactor makes the process much easier for the international
> community to monitor, among other things.
>
> U-233 is known to be suitable for weapons use - there is one document
> example of the U.S. building and successfully detonating a weapon with a
> U-233 "pit" (bomb core). So it's false to say that the thorium fuel cycle
> is completely "weapons material clean." But I think it's true to say that
> the risk of weapons proliferation is lower compared to starting with U.
>
> I found this document which has everything you could ever want to know
> about this - although wikipedia seems good enough to answer almost any "lay
> person" question in this case.
> http://www-pub.iaea.org/mtcd/publications/pdf/te_1450_web.pdf
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jeff. Can enriched Thorium also be used for nuclear weapons?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:
>>
>>> I've looked at this a little. It's been under study for over 30 years,
>>> so the pros and cons are pretty well understood. The wikipedia page
>>> ("thorium fuel cycle") covers them. It's definitely feasible, probably an
>>> economic win for countries with a lot of thorium (e.g. India), and arguably
>>> a little safer. But for me, bottom line is that it doesn't change the
>>> fundamentals. There are still waste handling issues and reactor design
>>> issues and nuclear economy/proliferation issues. So moving from U to Th is
>>> a difference (in the technology sphere) that doesn't really make a
>>> difference (in the public policy sphere).
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Patrick Ellul 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello collective,
>>>>
>>>> Is Thorium really safer? And is it reallya a feasible solution?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628905.600-indias-thoriumbased-nuclear-dream-inches-closer.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [Vo]:NASA: We think we found something . . .

[Patrick Ellul]

It's either traces of methane, or possibly some organic compounds. I doubt
it's dinosaur fossils.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I'll bet they told Mr. Obama. No fair! I wanna know!
>
> - Jed
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Biofuel from Algae in Minutes

[Patrick Ellul]

Just linking this company, which claim the same: http://solazyme.com/
The Fools have been billing it as a money maker:
http://stockgumshoe.com/reviews/motley-fool-hidden-gems/revealing-the-fools-silicon-valley-oil-superstar-1-company-pulling-profits-out-of-thin-air/


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> Actually, I was referring to "the world" as companies like Exxon which
> wasted a huge amount of money on algae 
> biofuels.
>  They could have had what they wanted, no genetic engineering or special
> strains, for under $10M.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM,  wrote:
>
>> In reply to  James Bowery's message of Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:55:54 -0600:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >The biomass production cost problem has been solved.  I don't know when
>> the
>> >world will wake up.
>> >
>> ...when they start producing fuel cheaper than the oil companies.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>


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[Vo]:Solar Orbs that harvest the moonlight

[Patrick Ellul]

"Up to 70 percent more efficient than a typical solar panel"
http://gizmodo.com/these-beautiful-solar-orbs-are-so-efficient-they-even-h-1500329295

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[Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla?

[Patrick Ellul]

This is from a fellow countryman in Malta.

*"It is promising that its Chreos will be able to travel 1,000km after just
10 minutes’ charge, “cruising” at a speed of 125km/ h.*

*By comparison, the Tesla Model S, the market leader, takes more than an
hour to charge and does not reach 500km.*"

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130306/local/maltese-electric-car-developer-promises-to-beat-market-leader.460324

Too ambitious?

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Re: [Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla?

[Patrick Ellul]

What if the price of the car includes a "mini super power station" that
works all day and is ready to supercharge the car very quickly?


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Terry Blanton g wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM,   wrote:
>
> > "Hypercharge technology" means they recharge in 10 minutes at 10-15
> thousand
> > volts.
>
> Regardless, it takes 1.2 MW per charge station.  Bollocks!
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla?

[Patrick Ellul]

The Engineering Department at the University of Malta is decently equipped.

It has produced plenty of innovative engineers and inventions.

As for the company itself, it's actually an italian company.
http://www.opercom.com/power/Italiano/contact.html

regards
patrick

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Blanton
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM,   wrote:
>
> > "Hypercharge technology" means they recharge in 10 minutes at 10-15
> thousand
> > volts.
>
> Regardless, it takes 1.2 MW per charge station.  Bollocks!
>
>
> That's a fair percentage of all the power on Malta :)
>
> This so-called car company could be little more than a few slacker
> undergrads with a CAD program. There is a University on the Island ... but
> it's doubtful they offer EE.
>
> As for the design - it could be an updated Edsel from the front view ...
> Elon is not concerned.
>
>
>
>


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[Vo]:Desalination at 99% less energy cost?

[Patrick Ellul]

Hello Vortexlers,

Not sure if this was shared already.

From:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/13/usa-desalination-idUSL1N0C0DG520130313


Filter could sharply cut energy needed to remove salt from water

Officials say firm has patented process, looking for partners

Cheaper seawater purification could help ease water security fears
Best regards.


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Re: [Vo]:pictures of 1mw E-cat plant shipping

[Patrick Ellul]

Direct link to high definition of the panorama photo:
http://postimg.org/image/6v14pk649/full/


On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Michele Comitini  wrote:

> If exif is true the picture was shot by an iPhone4.  Supposedly
> Passerini's phone
>
> http://www.findexif.com/?l=1r9hJxo
>
>
>
>
> 2013/5/4 Jed Rothwell 
>
>> Akira Shirakawa  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Source: http://22passi.blogspot.it/**2013/05/fino-al-limite-di-**
>>> rottura.html
>>>
>>> It's a 6 months old photo (previously unreleased) of a "Hot-Cat" being
>>> pushed to its operating limits.
>>> It does look hot.
>>>
>>
>> That's the small incandescent gadget in the foreground. Right? Much
>> smaller than a 1 MW reactor, shown behind it.
>>
>> Maybe I have not been paying attention but I thought Rossi claims he is
>> still at the stage of making small hot cats.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says ecat & mouse COP is 100-200

[Patrick Ellul]

If you split the time between activator and ecat as he suggests you get
slightly different numbers:

0.91 * 35% of the time = 0.3185 kWh/h
1 * 65% of the time = 0.65 kWh/h

total output = 0.9685 kWh/h
input = 0.9 * 35% of the time = 0.315 kWh/h

COP = 3.07

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

> I can't figure out how Rossi claims a COP of 100-200
>
> May 12th, 2013 at 9:59 PM
> http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=802&cpage=9#comment-694786
>
> Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
> Please don’t go too far: just, for now, let’s limit to what I wrote about
> the Activator/E-Cat cycle. Please read carefully what I wrote. More than
> that is not possible to get, so far. Our basic module is made by an
> apparatus in which we have 2 components: an activator, which consumes abour
> 900 Wh/h and produces about 910 Wh/h of heat. This heat activates the E-Cat
> and then goes to the utilization by the Customer, so that its cost is paid
> back by itself. This activator stays in function for the 35% of the
> operational time of the syspem of the apparatus. The E-Cat, activated by
> the heat of the Activator, works for about the 65% of the operational time,
> producing about 1 kWh/h without consuming any Wh/h from the grid. Combining
> these modules we can make E-Cats of 1 kW , 10 kW, 100 kW, 1 MW ,
> respectively, of power.
> Warm Regards,
> A.R.
>
> - - -
>
>kWh/h
> mouse output0.91
> ecat output 1.00
>
> total output1.91
> total input 0.90
>
> Total COP = total output/input  2.12
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says ecat & mouse COP is 100-200

[Patrick Ellul]

I thought he might have done a typo, and mean 10 kWh/h so I emailed him to
ask.

He confirmed that it was a typo, and he meant 10kWh/h for the ecat, just
like it has always been.

If that is the case:

0.91 * 35% of the time = 0.3185 kWh/h
*10* * 65% of the time = 6.5 kWh/h

total output = 6.8185 kWh/h
input = 0.9 * 35% of the time = 0.315 kWh/h

COP = 21.65


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

> > If you split the time between activator and ecat as he suggests you
> > get slightly different numbers:
> >
> > 0.91 * 35% of the time = 0.3185 kWh/h
> > 1 * 65% of the time = 0.65 kWh/h
> >
> >
> > total output = 0.9685 kWh/h
> > input = 0.9 * 35% of the time = 0.315 kWh/h
> >
> >
> > COP = 3.07
>
> That's how I did it at first ... then I reread his statement and thought
> he was talking about the total.
>
> Either way, MUCH less than 100-200 -- and less than his usual guaranteed
> COP of 6.
>
> (And I have no idea of the implication of Terry's "The magic ratio that FE
> people have sought!" )
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says ecat & mouse COP is 100-200

[Patrick Ellul]

You are right Alan. He should really call the 1kW the kitten, to avoid
confusion.

About the "i-dont-want-to-say-infinite-so-i-say-200-to-300" issues... he
explains that if the activator "pays-for-itself", then the actual ecat is
giving free energy.


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

> At 06:36 PM 5/13/2013, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> I thought he might have done a typo, and mean 10 kWh/h so I emailed him
>> to ask.
>> He confirmed that it was a typo, and he meant 10kWh/h for the ecat, just
>> like it has always been.
>>
>
> Except that he said :
>
>
> > Combining these modules we can make E-Cats of 1 kW , 10 kW, 100 kW, 1 MW
> , respectively, of power.
>
> strongly implying that the base module is indeed 1 kW and not 10 kW
>



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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says ecat & mouse COP is 100-200

[Patrick Ellul]

The activator consumes 900W of electricity and produces 910W of usable
heat. This heat is used by the client. It is not consumed by the ecat.

The ecat consumes zero heat and produces 1kW (or 10kW if it was a typo) of
usable heat.

Either way of typo or not, the ecat as a stand-alone system within this
configuration could be seen as producing heat without consuming any energy.

This is the way Rossi is explaining it.




On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:22 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Patrick Ellul's message of Wed, 15 May 2013 07:41:21 +1000:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >You are right Alan. He should really call the 1kW the kitten, to avoid
> >confusion.
> >
> >About the "i-dont-want-to-say-infinite-so-i-say-200-to-300" issues... he
> >explains that if the activator "pays-for-itself", then the actual ecat is
> >giving free energy.
>
> I wonder if the Activator produces 910 W in excess of the 900 W consumed,
> or
> only 10 W in excess?
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:mystery list of Daniele Passerini

[Patrick Ellul]

To fit 15 persons, it would have to be a minibus.


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> This morning, quite early, Daniele Passerini publishes a mystery list of
> 15 persons: http://22passi.blogspot.ro/2013/05/la-risposta-fa-36213.html
>
> Many of them are well known in our circles.
> He says these persons were driving a car for the coming (June 2) symposium
> of New Energy for a New World.
> Seem interesting.
> Peter
>
> --
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> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>



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Re: [Vo]:mystery list of Daniele Passerini

[Patrick Ellul]

translation: "it will lead you to 10 hours and 54 minutes by car to the new
energies for a new world"


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> see: vi condurrà a 10 ore e 54 minuti d'auto dalle Nuove energie per un
> mondo 
> nuovo<http://22passi.blogspot.it/2013/05/nuove-energie-per-un-mondo-nuovo.html>
> Italian grammar is difficult, they *will lead* the auto for that time
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> To fit 15 persons, it would have to be a minibus.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:
>>
>>> This morning, quite early, Daniele Passerini publishes a mystery list of
>>> 15 persons: http://22passi.blogspot.ro/2013/05/la-risposta-fa-36213.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Many of them are well known in our circles.
>>> He says these persons were driving a car for the coming (June 2)
>>> symposium of New Energy for a New World.
>>> Seem interesting.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Peter Gluck
>>> Cluj, Romania
>>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>
>
>
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Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

[Patrick Ellul]

Re: Seven authors altogether (I think I remember hearing a larger number at
some point).

The number of involved scientists mentioned were high, somewhere around 15.
In the paper, there are various other people mentioned in the
acknowledgements section. These could be counted as involved scientists but
not authors.


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> Computed volumetric and gravimetric energy densities were found to be far
>> above those of any known chemical source. Even by the most conservative
>> assumptions as to the errors in the measurements, the result is still one
>> order of magnitude greater than conventional energy sources.
>
>
> This is an unequivocal statement about the energy balance of the Hot Cat.
>
> The authors:
>
>- Giuseppe Levi, Bologna University
>- Evelyn Foschi
>- Torbjörn Hartman, Bo Höistad, Roland Pettersson and Lars
>Tegnér, Uppsala University
>- Hanno Essén, Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
>
> Seven authors altogether (I think I remember hearing a larger number at
> some point).
>
> Eric
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

[Patrick Ellul]

Snide yes. Of value? Not really.
On 20/05/2013 5:42 PM, "James Bowery"  wrote:

> Giovanni, I am making a snide reference to Dr. Nathan Lewis's snide
> reference to the athletic prowess of the Universities that had reproduced
> the F&P effect -- indicating that, obviously, if you have a good football
> team you must be technically inept:
>
> See the youtube video capturing this marvel of institutional incompetence
> in 
> action
> .
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Giovanni Santostasi <
> gsantost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No football teams in Bologna University. In Italy Universities are
>> focused on academics not sports.
>> Giovanni
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:10 AM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>>> Bologna University, Uppsala University and Royal Institute of
>>> Technology, Stockholm must all have good football teams.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Brad Lowe wrote:
>>>
 Available here:
 http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

 Press release

 http://ecat.com/news/3rd-party-report-shows-anomalous-heat-production-the-rossi-effect
 and direct report download:


 http://ecat.com/files/Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device.pdf


 29 page report... skimming it, I see a COP: 5.6 +/- 0.8

 Congrats to Rossi.

 - Brad



>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

[Patrick Ellul]

I get it. Thanks James.


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> On the contrary, Dr. Lewis's snide comment will go down in history as an
> incredibly valuable "teachable moment" and it is quite appropriate to
> remember it in the context of this announcement.
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> Snide yes. Of value? Not really.
>> On 20/05/2013 5:42 PM, "James Bowery"  wrote:
>>
>>> Giovanni, I am making a snide reference to Dr. Nathan Lewis's snide
>>> reference to the athletic prowess of the Universities that had reproduced
>>> the F&P effect -- indicating that, obviously, if you have a good football
>>> team you must be technically inept:
>>>
>>> See the youtube video capturing this marvel of institutional
>>> incompetence in 
>>> action<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoTX-ORq9_Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=746s>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Giovanni Santostasi <
>>> gsantost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No football teams in Bologna University. In Italy Universities are
>>>> focused on academics not sports.
>>>> Giovanni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:10 AM, James Bowery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bologna University, Uppsala University and Royal Institute of
>>>>> Technology, Stockholm must all have good football teams.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Brad Lowe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Available here:
>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Press release
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://ecat.com/news/3rd-party-report-shows-anomalous-heat-production-the-rossi-effect
>>>>>> and direct report download:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://ecat.com/files/Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 29 page report... skimming it, I see a COP: 5.6 +/- 0.8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Congrats to Rossi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>


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[Vo]:Wikipedia Energy Catalyzer Page

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi collective,

I know most of you have given up on wikipedia.

There is a lot of activity happening on the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

As I type, there are two references to the new developments.

First is the Mark Gibbs update. This will have to stick, unless they remove
the original Mark Gibbs reference all together.

Second is a new section with a simple reference to the report. This one
might not stand.

Regards,

Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

[Patrick Ellul]

This is Krivit's reaction on the Forbes article:

Steven B. Krivit  9 hours ago

This is a partially independent measurement, performed on a device that was
built by and controlled by Rossi, and located in Rossi’s facility. The
measurement was performed by some of the parties that have been involved in
this scam since 2011.

The fact that the authors of the paper have stated that they have performed
an independent test is a significant misrepresentation and would qualify as
research misconduct by some organizations.

Steven B. Krivit
Publisher and Senior Editor, New Energy Times
Editor-in-Chief, 2011 Wiley Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> Comment on my blog to this most recent paper.
> My answers to Mary
> I wrote to Steve Krivit signalling this Report, no answer.
> I sincerely fear this very talented journalist is depresed
> obsessed, who knows...
> Peter
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
> orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> From Peter:
>>
>> > ... (only Mary Yugo has surfaced till now, ...
>>
>> Where? A link? What did "she" say?
>>
>> Someone should start a thread pointing to what the Rossi skeptics, like
>> Cude, Yugo, or S. Krivit have decided to say about these latest
>> developments. I haven't been able to find anything. so far.
>>
>> Related to this, browsing New Energy Time shows me nothing new. Krivit's
>> site has two "No Cold Fusion" graphic logos plastered on the front page
>> related to two topics: "University LENR Expert No Longer Believes in Cold
>> Fusion", and for "Retired NRL LENR Expert No Longer Believes in Cold
>> Fusion". It still baffles me why Krivit felt the need to go after the term
>> "CF" as if it was a pinata and his words are the stick.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steven Vincent Johnson
>> svjart.OrionWorks.com
>> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>> tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>



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RE: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

[Patrick Ellul]

Just adding a link to the register article.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/e_cat_test_claims_success_yet_again/
On 22/05/2013 5:55 PM, "Arnaud Kodeck"  wrote:

> I'm wondering if Levi and al checked the quality of the electrical power!
> On
> the topic regarding electrical measurements the report says that the
> measurements were done with a PCE-830. The PCE-830 monitored the 3 phases
> only and computed the energy consumption with data collected on the 3
> phases. The PCE-830 can be fooled if the setup isn't as expected. For
> example, the ground might be not the ground but a hidden phase. That's why
> they should have checked:
> - The quality of the ground
> - The quality of the 3 phases regarding the neutral or between
> phases
> - The quality of the neutral (if present and used)
> - The quality of the 50 Hz of the power line
>
> That check will remove every concern about electrical input. Maybe they did
> the check but there is no mention about that in the report of Levi and al.
>
> To whom may I address this concern at the Levi's team and how ?
>
> Arnaud
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
> > Sent: mercredi 22 mai 2013 09:00
> > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
> >
> >  > So in a sense the elimination of fakes is cumulative.
> >
> > Bear in  mind that when Rossi says he has something he tends to follow up
> > on it.
> > (Maybe not exactly as promised, but close to it).
> >
> > Let's accept for the moment the OUTPUT analysis : it DOES produce the
> > documented COP.
> >
> > Electrical INPUT is a two-edged sword. It can be measured to 6 decimal
> > places .. IF you do it correctly,
> > but if you don't cover ALL bases you might miss something.
> > (eg an AC-only meter might not notice DC, or HF AC beyond its spec).
> >
> > But Rossi says he has a GAS-POWERED eCat. I believe him: ANY source of
> > temperature stimulus will do.
> >
> > It's rather hard to modulate/cheat a GAS meter, though the actual INPUT
> > power delivered might only be known to ONE decimal place.
>
>

[Vo]:Brian Josephson's E-Cat Video Abstract updated

[Patrick Ellul]

http://sms.cam.ac.uk/media/1150242

Added a note about May 2013's "very favourable report".

Also noticed: "NB: the Wikipedia entry for 'Rossi reactor', cited in the
video as a source of information regarding the reactor, cannot at this time
(January 2012) be recommended as a reliable source, since the page
concerned has been taken over by an editor group hostile to the reactor,
resulting in a highly biased account of the history. "

Funnily enough I was reminded of this video by the "External Links" section
of the wikipedia page itself.

Regards.


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[Vo]:Widom - Neutron Production from fractured piezoelectric rocks

[Patrick Ellul]

Just bringing to your attention the following, as I'm not sure it has been
picked up yet.

Mostly reported in italian:

Announcement and abstract:
http://22passi.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/27-maggio-widom-e-srivastava-al-polito.html

Summary of the actual meeting:
http://22passi.blogspot.it/2013/05/neutron-production-from-fractured.html

Link to Widom Slides in English:
http://www.22passi.it/wsctorino/WIDOM%20TORINO.pdf

Regards,
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

[Patrick Ellul]

I tried. And it seems like I will lose. http://longbets.org/618/


On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:

> I won't bet against you, because I know that nothing will convince you you
> are wrong.
> Despite any evidence you will refuse to pay... because if you were
> rational you won't bet that way.
> Fat Tony of taleb books explain that if you see a coin that fall 99 times
> on heads, the next throw don't have 50% head... but much more, because the
> coin is tricked. If you dare to bet against Rossi so sure of yourself you
> won't accept reality.
> However if you were rational you could easily bet that he won't be able to
> deliver.
>
> maybe is it what you try to do asking for evidence (accepted by
> mainstream, which is impossible unless huge industrial development) until
> end of 2013.
>
> the only thing that will make people accept e-cat is industrial
> application at large scale, and it will happen in 1-5years at best.
>
> It will take many years to be visible, and the denial we observe will slow
> down the development even more that with usual innovation. Usually it take
> 5 years and is deceiving compared to the initial ambition.
> since rossi started to have a working prototype in 2011/2012, you can
> expect a real delivery in 2016/2017... since it is a huge breakthrough, in
> a huge denial, the real delay is hard to guess... it can be earlier or
> later depending on who win, greed or conformism. I hope greed will help us.
>
> so you bet against (accepted) evidence, ie: asking for industrial
> diffusion, until end of 2013, is very smart. You will win. put the limit to
> 2017, and it will be fair.
>
> If you don't try to rationally abuse of our innocence in industrial
> question, I won't bet against you like it was stupid to have an CDS against
> AIG, unless it was backed by the federal bank (hopefully for the fool who
> bought them, AIG was bailed in)... It is as stupid as having an insurance
> against alien attack.
>
> my only bet, is betting my reputation (now everybody know who I am, and
> what I do, except the boss of my boss, who will fire me if he know). If one
> company wan't me to invest, why not a little, but i know that like on
> Internet 99% of startups will die, and the 1% will rule the world.
>
> Just see what Aldo Proia did, he have skin in the game, and unlike some
> clown who are fan of Rossi, he stopped a promising career in solar energy.
> Same for Xanthoulis.
>
>  Essen also put his reputation in the game.
>
> remind that the first plane motorized flied in 1901, and was accepted by
> SciAm in 1906.
>
>
>
> 2013/6/29 blaze spinnaker 
>
>> Is anyone willing here to bet me $$$ that the eCat will not be proven
>> this year?
>>
>> I'm open to discussing the parameters of this bet.   Ideally we'd
>> mutually agree on a 3rd party to hold our money and be an impartial judge
>> as to who wins by EOY.
>>
>> Let me know.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Blaze.
>>
>
>


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[Vo]:The Essence Of Science In 61 Seconds (Richard Feynman)

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viaDa43WiLc#action=share

"If it disagrees with experiment, it's wrong!"

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Re: [Vo]:New LENR patent application from STMicroelectronics

[Patrick Ellul]

I wonder if ST is now Rossi's Daddy.
He has worked with them before.
They have various USA offices:
http://www.st.com/stonline/contactus/contacts/index.php?type=5#USA
And now they have a lenr patent in their name.
I am also surprised how no one has stalked Rossi enough to see where he
goes to work every day.



On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM,  wrote:

> Forgot to include this link:
>
> http://www.google.com/patents/US20130243143
>
> > Reactor for energy generation through low energy nuclear reactions (lenr)
> > between hydrogen and transition metals and related method of energy
> > generation  -  US 20130243143 A1
> >
> > ABSTRACT
> > An embodiment of an apparatus includes a reaction chamber, a reaction
> > unit, and an energy regulator. The reaction chamber includes an energy
> > port, and the reaction unit is disposed in the reaction chamber and is
> > configured to allow an energy-releasing reaction between first and second
> > materials. And the energy regulator is configured to control a rate at
> > which reaction-released energy exits the reaction chamber via the energy
> > port. The reaction chamber may include a thermally conductive wall that
> > forms a portion of the energy port, and the energy regulator may include
> a
> > thermally conductive member and a mechanism configured to control a
> > distance between the thermally conductive wall and the thermally
> > conductive member. Furthermore, the reaction unit may include a mechanism
> > configured to facilitate the reaction between the first and second
> > materials, and may also include a mechanism configured to control a rate
> > at which the reaction releases energy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?

[Patrick Ellul]

Not sure if the following has been brought to the attention of this thread
yet. Rossi's answer might be relevant.


   1. Joe
   July 23rd, 2012 at 1:19
PM

   Dr Rossi,

   Would the E-Cat process work for other elements (carbon, tungsten) for
   the sake of having a higher melting temperature with which to work?

   All the best,
   Joe
   2. Andrea Rossi
   July 23rd, 2012 at 4:00
PM

   Dear Joe:
   My Friend, you always put questions I am not allowed to answer to!
   Warm Regards,
   A.R.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Guenter Wildgruber
wrote:

> Axil,
>
> Tungsten would be a whole new game in town.
>
> Its main 'advantage' being that it would make Rossi's claims a bit more
> plausible.
> My personal experience is:
> Stick to what is working, and do not make major changes.
>
> My major objection, based on a bit of common sense, still holds:
> LENR is NOT a homogenous process and necessarily has its hot spots, far
> surpassing average temperature.
> I think we a gree that 1000degC is dangerously close to recrystallization,
> which,
> with Ni seems to be somewhere near 1120degC.
> If this is correct, Rossi would have managed nearly perfect control of the
> process, leaving all his competitors in the dust.
>
> Another aspect being: with a 'dry' process one cannot remove the process
> heat, so it would have to be a 'wet' process, where the cooling fluid is in
> direct contact to the reactant.
>
> But in this case (wet process) all MY mental conceptions of the nature of
> the process break down.
>
> Quite possibly I'm wrong, as an armchair theorist in the issue. Just
> assembling the laws of nature and the evidences to something possible.
> Rossi has to deliver evidence, to prove me wrong.
> Up to now he nearly did nothing of this sort.
> Right now the probability that Rossi is a bigmouth with an illusion of
> grandeur is much higher than him actually delivering something.
>
> Guenter
>
>   --
> *Von:* Axil Axil 
> *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Gesendet:* 20:15 Dienstag, 24.Juli 2012
> *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
>
>  *IMHO, nickel micro-powder cannot sustain reactor long term operating
> temperatures at 1000C without deteriorating especially if copper is
> produced as a transmutation product.*
> * *
> *Something has to give with this concept and I believe it is the use of
> nickel as the reaction substrate.*
> * *
> *Micro powder would be retained as a way to maximize reaction surface
> area, but an element with a higher melting temperature would need to be
> used to keep the micro powder grains from sintering together into a
> congealed mess.*
> * *
> *The use of tungsten is my guess especially since Rossi states that he
> needs more x-ray shielding in his new very high temperature system.
> Tungsten will produce that type of radiation profile.*
> * *
>
>
> *Cheers:  Axil*
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

[Patrick Ellul]

http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

"In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues
realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama
instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu
Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

[image: Inline image 1]

Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have
planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his
U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday."


On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Jojo Jaro  wrote:

> **
> Of course I know his real name.  He was naturalized as an Indonesian
> citizen as Barry Soetero.  The Indonesian government knows this as a fact
> but they are holding this over Criminal-in-chief's head to win concession
> from the American Government.  This is the danger of divided loyalties for
> a president.  The founding fathers wisely included the Natural Born
> provision exactly to prevent situations like this.
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Daniel Rocha 
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
> are crazy
>
> So, his name is no Barak Obama or similar? And you know the real name?
>
> 2012/8/8 Jojo Jaro 
>
>> **
>> I can't very well use his real name cause the secret service will be all
>> over me and do their intimidation routine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>> *From:* Daniel Rocha 
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:57 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
>> are crazy
>>
>>  Don't you think hat Donkey Kong, which is the name of a videogame ape,
>> is a bit racist?
>>
>> 2012/8/7 Jojo Jaro 
>>
>>> LOL,  if these were the only faults of Donkeykong, it wouldn't be such a
>>> big deal.
>>>
>>> Fact is, Donkeykong is a usurper-in-chief.  He violated and trampled on
>>> the most basic law of our country.  Donkeykong is a criminal and should be
>>> removed, by force if necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jojo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Rocha - RJ
>> danieldi...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

[Patrick Ellul]

fair enough.

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Jojo Jaro  wrote:

> **
> Straw Man argument.
>
> First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post all
> births in the newspaper.  During that time, anyone can report a
> birth to Hawaii authorities even if the birth did not physically occur in
> Hawaii.   Hawaii authorities did not have to verify the reported birth.  Funny
> though cause that address belongs to the grandparents, not bambi's parents.
>
> Second, there is no need to argue that his grandparents secretly conspired
> to make him a citizen because they knew he was going to be president.
> That's a straw man.   His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits
> of US citizenship.  No conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that
> they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason.
>
>
>
> But just give me a simple explanation why his Hawaii Vault BC is still
> secret.  He can end this Birther conspiracy movement with a single phone
> call to release his vault BC.  Why hasn't he done it?  All your eloquent
> reasons will not overcome this simple fact.
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Patrick Ellul 
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 1:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
> are crazy
>
> http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
>
> "In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues
> realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama
> instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu
> Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have
> planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his
> U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday."
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Jojo Jaro  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Of course I know his real name.  He was naturalized as an Indonesian
>> citizen as Barry Soetero.  The Indonesian government knows this as a fact
>> but they are holding this over Criminal-in-chief's head to win concession
>> from the American Government.  This is the danger of divided loyalties for
>> a president.  The founding fathers wisely included the Natural Born
>> provision exactly to prevent situations like this.
>>
>>
>> Jojo
>>
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>> *From:* Daniel Rocha 
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:29 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
>> are crazy
>>
>> So, his name is no Barak Obama or similar? And you know the real name?
>>
>> 2012/8/8 Jojo Jaro 
>>
>>> **
>>> I can't very well use his real name cause the secret service will be all
>>> over me and do their intimidation routine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Daniel Rocha 
>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:57 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
>>> are crazy
>>>
>>>  Don't you think hat Donkey Kong, which is the name of a videogame ape,
>>> is a bit racist?
>>>
>>> 2012/8/7 Jojo Jaro 
>>>
>>>> LOL,  if these were the only faults of Donkeykong, it wouldn't be such
>>>> a big deal.
>>>>
>>>> Fact is, Donkeykong is a usurper-in-chief.  He violated and trampled on
>>>> the most basic law of our country.  Donkeykong is a criminal and should be
>>>> removed, by force if necessary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jojo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Rocha - RJ
>>> danieldi...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Rocha - RJ
>> danieldi...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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[Vo]:Rossi said...

[Patrick Ellul]

Andrea Rossi
August 29th, 2012 at 3:05
AM

Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
You are perfectly right: in fact we are designing the new 1 MW plants, for
hot temperature, and the dimensions will be those of a cylinder with a
diameter of 1.2 m and a lencth od 0.4 m.
Is shocking, I myself are surprised, but it is so.
Warmest Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi
August 29th, 2012 at 9:45
AM

Dear Franco:
Attention: the dimensions 1.2 x 0.4 is not the surface of the surface of
the reactors! Inside this drum of 1.2 x 0.4 m there are 100 reactors , each
of one having about 1 200 cm^2 of surface !
I talked of the dimensions of the external container, not of the heat
exchange surface !
Warm Regards,
A.R.


Regards,
Patrick

[Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live

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Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

[Patrick Ellul]

Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two massive
bodyguards.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:

> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live
>
> Regards,
>
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>
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Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

[Patrick Ellul]

yes, but not the best quality.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> Patrick, do you have AUDIO?
> Peter
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two massive
>> bodyguards.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Patrick
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.tRacePerfect.com
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>> The quickest puzzle ever!
>>
>>
>
>
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> Cluj, Romania
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[Vo]:Some more Rossi said...

[Patrick Ellul]

This is the first time I see him talk frankly about how truly
revolutionising his hot-cat technology really "would be" (he explicitly
uses the conditional):

Just to translate the last sentence, which he almost said with a tear in
his eyes: "it means freeing a good chunk of the world from a certain type
of slavery."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKiTR0meRQ

Regards,
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:October is here : Pordenone program

[Patrick Ellul]

"Cleaning the top of the dolomites with wax" is a metaphor for "wasting
time doing something useless"

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:

>  At 12:33 PM 10/4/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote:
>
> The "clean of the tops of the Dolomites with the wax" and the he-he-ing
> seem unusually odd even for Rossi ... Does anyone know if the former is a
> bad translation of a colloquialism?
>
>
> I took it to mean skiing :  (wiki) A tourist mecca, the Dolomites are
> famous for skiing  in the winter
> months ...
>
> "he-he-he" ... I suspect he has something up his sleeve.
>



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Re: [Vo]:OT: Mars Rover Spots Small Bright- Metallic Object

[Patrick Ellul]

newer closup image at:
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/00062/opgs/edr/ccam/CR0_403005421EDR_F0050104CCAM01062M_.JPG


On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Ron Kita  wrote:

> Greetings Vortex-l,
>
> A small nail-like object was spotted near the Rover Arm.
> Be sure to enlarge the photo at the website to see this object:
> http://phys.org/news/2012-10-mars-rover-curiosity-scoops-bright.html
>
> Respectfully,
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
>



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Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat COP 11.7

[Patrick Ellul]

This is his paint supplier: http://www.universokema.eu/

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> The higher COP includes additional energy calculated when the transformer
> overheated, vessel wall melted, table cracked from embrittlement and the
> blinding array of photons released:)
>
>
> On Friday, October 12, 2012, David Roberson wrote:
>
>> I certainly hope that the new data is accurate.  But if history repeats
>> itself, there are likely to be errors of some type.  When will we get to
>> see independent test results to give us the confidence that we so much
>> desire?
>>
>>  Dave
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat COP 11.7

[Patrick Ellul]

Updated report:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/update-andrea-rossi-provides-corrected-pordenone-hot-cat-report/


Still has some "," vs "." mixups.

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote:

> This is his paint supplier: http://www.universokema.eu/
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
>> The higher COP includes additional energy calculated when the transformer
>> overheated, vessel wall melted, table cracked from embrittlement and the
>> blinding array of photons released:)
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 12, 2012, David Roberson wrote:
>>
>>> I certainly hope that the new data is accurate.  But if history repeats
>>> itself, there are likely to be errors of some type.  When will we get to
>>> see independent test results to give us the confidence that we so much
>>> desire?
>>>
>>>  Dave
>>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

[Patrick Ellul]

Rossi's numbers in a spreadsheet:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/109919735/Rossi-Validation

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson wrote:
>
> Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the
>> HAD mode.  Rossi has insisted that his units only reach this state if they
>> run uncontrolled and self destruct by melting.  I would consider this type
>> of operation a defect that needs to be corrected.
>>
>
> To this point, specifically, about Andrea Rossi's device going on
> indefinitely unless there is a power excursion that damages it -- I have no
> idea if this is true.  Rossi is the only person I know to have made such a
> claim, so it is unique, at least, if not altogether fanciful.  Since he is
> storing hydrogen in the substrate and releasing it through heat, I it seems
> theoretically possible.  He would have to have an efficient hydrogen
> storage mechanism, or he would have to make efficient use of what hydrogen
> there is, since it is common for LENR experiments to die down when the
> loading drops below a threshold.
>
> Eric
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Planet discovered at Alpha Cantauri B

[Patrick Ellul]

that is so close to us, astronomically speaking!

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> They're finding planets everywhere! See:
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/lava-world-orbits-nearby-star/2012/10/16/cc75de44-17db-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html
>



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Re: [Vo]:(Audio) NASA Chief Scientist on space exploration and LENR

[Patrick Ellul]

Thanks for this. If anyone comes across a transcript of the portion where
he talks about LENR, it would be very handy.


On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:20 PM,  wrote:

>
> Courtesy of website LENR – COLD FUSION
> New Audio interview with Dennis Bushnell
> http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/10/22/dennis-bushnell-lenr/
>
> Dr. Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center,
> discusses space exploration and (beginning at 8:22) NASA LENR research.
>
> (Audio)
>
> http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/dennis-bushnell-on-space-exploration.html
>
>
>
>


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[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Remarks by Leonardo Corporation’s Gianvico Pirazzini

[Patrick Ellul]

when asked:

Question_1) Approximately how many engineers and technical managers do you
have in your company and in partner companies which are supporting work on
new cat designs or completing production units?

Rossi replied:

1- At the moment 27, considering the suppliyer’s engineers

It must be one elaborate con.



On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

> Comments by an insider (Translation of a transcript of a presentation at
> Pordenone?)
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/3736/2/
>
> (nothing earth-shattering, but an insight into working with Rossi.)
>
>


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[Vo]:Rossi's EU Patent Application Update

[Patrick Ellul]

1) was filed in 2008.
2) most recent updates just a couple of weeks ago.
3) direct link to all the documentation:
https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP08873805&lng=en&tab=doclist
4) via:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/leonardo-patent-report-publication-scheduled-for-nov-21/


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[Vo]:Rossi's first 1MW hot-cat to client by Feb 2013

[Patrick Ellul]

Andrea Rossi
October 30th, 2012 at 8:35
PM

Dear Emilio Icaza:
Yes, Leonardo Corp is very much powerful now. I can already say that the
first 1 MW hot cat will go in operation within February 2013. It will not
be a military application, therefore selected persons will be allowed to
visit it. It will be installed in a big power production and distribution
plant.
This is the new. The plant is made in the USA.
An extremely important agreement has been signed after the tests of the Hot
Cat, which are going on since June in the USA and in Italy.
The details will be communicated only after the plant will have been
working for enough time to be visitable, also to avoid clubs in the wheels.
That’s all I can say right now.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

source:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=748&cpage=6#comment-381116
via: http://rossilivecat.com/

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[Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/soul-after-death-hameroff-penrose_n_2034711.html

How far fetched is this?

"According to Dr. Hameroff, in a near-death experience, when the heart
stops beating, the blood stops flowing, and the microtubules lose their
quantum state, the quantum information in the microtubules isn't destroyed.
It's distributed to the universe at large, and if the patient is revived,
the quantum information can go back to the microtubules."


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Re: [Vo]:Commercial heat pump with COP of 8

[Patrick Ellul]

You should enable Google Search History

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:

> On 23/01/2012 2:43 PM, David Roberson wrote:
>
>> I think you are suggesting a way to defeat the laws of thermodynamics
>> with your heat pump that has a COP of 10. This is a lot like having an
>> electric car with a generator that recharges the battery. My bet is that
>> the heat output is at too low of a temperature to be used efficiently.
>> No free lunches in this business.
>> Dave
>>
>
> Before you shoot the messenger, me, let me find the article I read. All I
> remember was a stated COP of 10 or greater. Google is bloody frustration
> when you can't find something you read and don't remember what you were
> searching for at the time.
>
> Shaun
>
>


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[Vo]:Defkalion is open for testing as from now

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdf


Interesting to say the least. Who will take up the challenge?

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion is open for testing as from now

[Patrick Ellul]

Steorn had done something similar. But their testing dragged on and on ad
infinitum.

I would say teams from different universities, i.e. academia would make
good candidates.


On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Douglas Hill  wrote:

> If we could pick any team in the world to do this testing, who would you
> trust?
>
> Who would be the Super Star team of scientists, skeptics and journalists
> who would be the most credible?
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Ellul  wrote:
>
>
> http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdf
>
>
> Interesting to say the least. Who will take up the challenge?
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Defkalion is open for testing as from now

[Patrick Ellul]

What is really good is that they want to test it for 96 hours (48+48)
minimum. I think that will give so much more credibility to the invention.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:

> since defkalion feel that the COP is above 20, no need to have a scientist.
>
> moreover scientist are easy to manipulate (see the books of William
> Broad, *Nicholas Wade)*, so good old tricky engineer would be better.
> if you are really paranoid, a good magician/prestidigitator could be a
> consultant.
>
> but with COP>20, assuming good electric measures (UPS is a good idea
> because it has hard limits in power, if they are of well known model)
>
>
> 2012/1/24 Peter Gluck 
>
>>  I think the best would be an engineer- salesman like the one who had
>> installed my home heater BOSCH 3000W plus a technician specialized
>> in radioactivity measurements for an environment protection State
>> authorithy.
>>
>> A good generator needs NO geniuses to confirm that it works well, I think.
>>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Chirping sounds in nature

[Patrick Ellul]

there's no Sylvester without Tweety. there's no e-cat without a humming
bird.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint <
zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Jean:
>
> Do a web-search for Myron Evans…
>
> ** **
>
> He was a very prolific scientist/mathematician, and published quite a
> number (over 100) of papers…
>
> One topic he did considerable work on was RF-induced fermion resonances
> using **circularly-polarized** RF, and I think there were also papers on
> pulsed RF.
>
> ** **
>
> After he began interacting with Tom Bearden, his reputation suffered, and
> many of the academics helping out with his foundation jumped ship… got that
> directly from one of them!
>
> ** **
>
> -Mark
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* jean guy moreau [mailto:jgmorea...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:24 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Chirping sounds in nature
>
> ** **
>
> Hi,
> First English is not my native language so please forgive the way my
> phrases are structured.
>
> From reading those fascinating messages on this list, i cannot help but
> notice that the basics of the magic reaction
> we are all wondering about is really simple after all.
> The right materials in the right geometry, plus a little helping energy
> and voila, bright future ahead.
>
> If it is so simple, then nature must have found a way to utilize this
> source of energy, so maybe we should look again
> at the energy balance of some living creatures, hummingbirds comes to
> mind, just dipping their tounge into a little nectar
> and up they go flying hundred of Km.
>
> Hummingbirds do something else that you can hear if you are close enough,
> they "sing" a strange chirping sound,
> as do insect, in fact most animals produce some kind of sound, frequencies
> should we say ?
> And of coures we have music all the time, in our ears and in our minds,
> don't we ?
>
> So maybe Rossi is using a chirping RF generator to get his reactor
> going...
>
> Jean Guy Moreau
> Quebec, Canada
>



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Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)

[Patrick Ellul]

Passerini says it is bad news for Rossi, Focardi, AND Celani.

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote:

> maybe they are the same ?
>
> #8*O
> [?]
>
>
>
> 2012/1/28 Alan Fletcher 
>
>> MY has been banned, AG left (presumably) voluntarily.
>> (I've seen a few recent MY posts elsewhere).
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jones Beene 
>> > MY has gone as silent as AG.
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)

[Patrick Ellul]

I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture
very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and
posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise
maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now
claiming he was joking earlier.

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:

> On 2012-01-29 09:17, Wolf Fischer wrote:
>
>> On the LENR Facebook page, someone wrote that it perhaps is not a bad
>> thing but more of a joke:
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/**EnergyCatalyzer
>> Giuliano Bettini
>> 
>> **> ‎@Patrick. It's
>>
>> not properly a "bad news". In Italian it's something like a joke IMO
>>
>
> It looks like this is actually nothing as bad as what has been implied by
> ecatnews.com, but more like an inside joke for Italian speakers only,
> according to Passerini himself in a comment here:
>
> http://22passi.blogspot.com/**2012/01/il-lustro-di-22-passi-**
> episodio-25366.html
>
> Personally I don't have any idea of what was that joke about, however.
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)

[Patrick Ellul]

I have watched the Voyager show many times and it deals with various
scientific topics in a serious way. It is a respected show. If the e-cat
featured on Voyager, it would be a good thing not a bad thing.

I'm still not convinced about Passerini's "inside italian joke" u-turn. But
anyway, no proof either way, until Passerini cares to explain!

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Giovanni Santostasi
wrote:

> Here a typical episode about UFO sightings in the '70.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbLJRMOaCA&feature=related
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Akira Shirakawa <
> shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-01-29 22:43, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>>
>>> I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian
>>> culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned
>>> videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs
>>> explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was
>>> not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier.
>>>
>>
>> I probably used the wrong term: not really a joke, but something that
>> only the Italian audience would understand. I think (but I'm not sure)
>> Daniele was referring to the chance that the E-Cat (and cold fusion in
>> general) might be discussed on a local TV show called "Voyager" [1][2]
>> which investigates conspiracies, paranormal activities, UFOs, mysteries,
>> etc.
>>
>> As far as I understand this show deals with the subjects treated with
>> excessive credulity and almost total lack of skepticism in a sort of
>> flamboyant style, and for this reason it is often ridiculed and parodied
>> [3] by the rest of the media and not taken very seriously by them and the
>> informed public.
>>
>> So, if footage of the E-Cat and people involved with it or LENR and cold
>> fusion in general were to appear in this show, both them and their
>> supporters would be mocked up by skeptics for some time; just in Italy,
>> however.
>>
>> Anyway, this is just my speculation and educated guess by reading other
>> related comments on that site, I'm not sure if it's really what he was
>> referring about. It might as well been tongue-in-cheek that I didn't get.
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Voyager_%28programma_**televisivo%29<http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_%28programma_televisivo%29>
>> [2] http://www.voyager.rai.it/
>> [3] 
>> http://www.youtube.com/**results?search_query=kazzenger<http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kazzenger>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.A.
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:DGT Screenshot

[Patrick Ellul]

You can read it blourrily - "Channel 1 inner", "Channel 2 external"

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>
> Yes, it is basically the same kind of temperature spike seen by Janssen in
> the BLP video but probably both traces are from RTDs mounted in different
> locations.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg
>
>
>
> From: Terry Blanton
> Direct Link:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/g26QI.jpg
>
> T
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> So, Jones (and others)  what do you think we are seeing here?
>
> http://imgur.com/g26QI
>
> [img]http://imgur.com/g26QI[/img] 
>
> Temperature vs time?
>
> T
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:DGT Screenshot

[Patrick Ellul]

I meant, "blurred" - gee i wrote that email in a rush!

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote:

> You can read it blourrily - "Channel 1 inner", "Channel 2 external"
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, it is basically the same kind of temperature spike seen by Janssen in
>> the BLP video but probably both traces are from RTDs mounted in different
>> locations.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Terry Blanton
>> Direct Link:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/g26QI.jpg
>>
>> T
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Terry Blanton 
>> wrote:
>> So, Jones (and others)  what do you think we are seeing here?
>>
>> http://imgur.com/g26QI
>>
>> [img]http://imgur.com/g26QI[/img] <http://imgur.com/g26QI%5B/img%5D>
>>
>> Temperature vs time?
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>
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[Vo]:Acoustic Fusion Article on the International Business Times

[Patrick Ellul]

Hello all,

Came across this article and I thought it might be of some interest to this
forum.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/294046/20120207/acoustic-fusion-potentially-ggreen-inexpensive-virtually-inexhaustible.htm


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[Vo]:DOE Budget Analysis on Science Mag

[Patrick Ellul]

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/at-doe-body-blows-to-fusion-nucl.html


"While programs with connections to clean energy technologies come out
ahead, the fusion energy science, nuclear physics, and high-energy physics
programs suffer."
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RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Patrick Ellul]

Rossi will not flinch. He will ignore this request and dismiss it with "not
worth the effort".
On Feb 15, 2012 7:23 AM, "Jones Beene"  wrote:

>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Blanton
>
> > Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and
> waiting ???
>
> http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg
>
>
> Outstanding!
>
> "Constant Growth = Doom"  ?!?
>
> From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM!
>
>
>
> Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'?
>
> Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days. Lingerie
> engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning.
>
> Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional
> analysis, it's measured in "Wilberforce"?
>
> http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Patrick Ellul]

Also, how did krivit get hold of the email? Especially if he was
deliberately cced, Rossi will see it as coming from a snake's friend.
On Feb 15, 2012 7:33 AM, "Patrick Ellul"  wrote:

> Rossi will not flinch. He will ignore this request and dismiss it with
> "not worth the effort".
> On Feb 15, 2012 7:23 AM, "Jones Beene"  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Terry Blanton
>>
>> > Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and
>> waiting ???
>>
>> http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg
>>
>>
>> Outstanding!
>>
>> "Constant Growth = Doom"  ?!?
>>
>> From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM!
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'?
>>
>> Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days.
>> Lingerie
>> engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning.
>>
>> Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional
>> analysis, it's measured in "Wilberforce"?
>>
>> http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Patrick Ellul]

Just for the record, this is Rossi's updated response:

Andrea Rossi
February 14th, 2012 at 6:23
PM

Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1
million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that
gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial
guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they
choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS
will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to buy for
few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why waste money? I
do not need his money.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:

> On 2012-02-15 00:56, Andre Blum wrote:
>
>> Rossi's answer
>>
>> Andrea Rossi
>> February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
>> > cpage=3#comment-185047
>> >
>>
>>
>> Dear Archibald Fields:
>> This is a Clownerie.
>>
>
> Please note: "clownerie" = travesty
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi Jarold,

What will exactly happen on your self-imposed deadline date?

Regards,
Patrick

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jarold McWilliams wrote:

> I've been on the fence until just a couple of days ago when I heard
> Rossi's terrible excuse for not even giving Smith's proposal a chance.  I
> want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns.  Some other
> things Rossi has said haven't come to fruition.  I'm using his timeline,
> and he hasn't delivered.  Rossi's actions over the last couple of weeks
> have made me think that there is a greater chance of him being a fraud.
>  I'll wait until my original deadline of March 31, but there really needs
> to start being some answers instead of speculation.
>
> On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
>
> Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse.
> ** **
> Jarold, GET OVER IT!
> Just wait it out like the rest of us…
> ** **
> Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a
> few of us…
> ** **
> If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on… nothing to
> see here.
> ** **
> -Mark
> ** **
>  *From:* Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
> ** **
> I have been very patient with all of this.  I was willing to wait until
> March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests.
>  Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith,
> and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof.
> On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
>
>
> 
> ** **
>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT willing to accept Dick Smith's offer + Official tests info

[Patrick Ellul]

Dick Smith will make offer official to DGT. below his replies on
http://ecatnews.com/?p=2045

Assuming it really is him.

Dick Smith
February 16, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Yes. I am the real Dick Smith and the offer is genuine.
I will contact Defkalion and organize the simple testing protocols. Does
anyone have the best email address?
The $1 m must go to an individual- not some big company. That person can
then forward it on if they want to.
As I am convinced this is a scam similar to Firepower International ( make
sure you look it up on Wikipedia) I I am not prepared to waste money on
this until the test conditions have been agreed on.
As with the Rossie challenge the test must be one where the result will be
accepted by reasonable people in the scientific community .
I hope the Swedish scientists will be involved. If not I feel sure we can
get equivalent independent experts.

Dick Smith
February 16, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Thanks for the suggestion. I would like to this live on international
television- say the U S 60 minutes.
But unfortunately I am convinced that the offer will end up like my offer
to Rossi.
They will find some excuse to delay or back out . I have seen it all before!

Dick Smith
February 16, 2012 at 10:27 pm
It has been pointed out that a COP of three would not be high enough to be
accepted by the scientific community as LENR.
In that case I will accept the COP minimum that would be accepted or the
COP that Defkalion claim they can offer for the tests they are conducting
I want it to be fair for all sides.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> The names were those of the leaders and investors.
> The gentleman with a seemingly Romanian name
> - Aurel- is actually Swiss Hungarian -they told.
> Their very good engineers-high class- remain still unknown. I hope to meet
> them and to congratulate hem this Spring when I will visit Defkalion.
> For the time given here is the greatest snow in more than 50 years- not
> good for travel.
> Peter
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>>  *From:* Roarty, Francis X 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **Ø **
>>
>> **Ø  **So Feb 25th may reveal a new leader in the field but without a
>> big name researcher at the helm?  Will a new name responsible for all the
>> claimed improvements arise or will they remain just an engineering house
>> tweaking the discoveries of others?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * *
>>
>> Actually there is a “name” out there, mentioned before, of the head
>> engineer of the project, who is regionally well-respected with a prior
>> record of accomplishment.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> However, I seem to have lost the name. Peter may remember, as he could
>> possibly be Romanian. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Not sure about the nationality - but DGT is more than a collection of
>> young engineers (the ones seen in the photos).
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I do understand where you’re coming from, with that concern…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jones
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT willing to accept Dick Smith's offer + Official tests info

[Patrick Ellul]

and the discussion continues here:  http://ecatnews.com/?p=2054

Dick Smith
February 16, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I would consider piggy backing on the Greek Government test if is conducted
shortly and if it is carried out by their internationally respected
scientific community .
Of course it would have to be totally open and the results available to
everyone.
I presume Greece has a chief government scientist. That’s the person we
need to be involved.
I predict Defkalion will not allow this.

Dick Smith
February 16, 2012 at 11:50 pm
I guarantee the independent testing or very likely the results of the
independent testing will be stalled. Thats how these systems work.
Gives more time for multimillion dollar exclusive agencies to be sold!

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote:

> Dick Smith will make offer official to DGT. below his replies on
> http://ecatnews.com/?p=2045
>
> Assuming it really is him.
>
> Dick Smith
> February 16, 2012 at 9:03 pm
> Yes. I am the real Dick Smith and the offer is genuine.
> I will contact Defkalion and organize the simple testing protocols. Does
> anyone have the best email address?
> The $1 m must go to an individual- not some big company. That person can
> then forward it on if they want to.
> As I am convinced this is a scam similar to Firepower International ( make
> sure you look it up on Wikipedia) I I am not prepared to waste money on
> this until the test conditions have been agreed on.
> As with the Rossie challenge the test must be one where the result will be
> accepted by reasonable people in the scientific community .
> I hope the Swedish scientists will be involved. If not I feel sure we can
> get equivalent independent experts.
>
> Dick Smith
> February 16, 2012 at 9:08 pm
> Thanks for the suggestion. I would like to this live on international
> television- say the U S 60 minutes.
> But unfortunately I am convinced that the offer will end up like my offer
> to Rossi.
> They will find some excuse to delay or back out . I have seen it all
> before!
>
> Dick Smith
> February 16, 2012 at 10:27 pm
> It has been pointed out that a COP of three would not be high enough to be
> accepted by the scientific community as LENR.
> In that case I will accept the COP minimum that would be accepted or the
> COP that Defkalion claim they can offer for the tests they are conducting
> I want it to be fair for all sides.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:
>
>> The names were those of the leaders and investors.
>> The gentleman with a seemingly Romanian name
>> - Aurel- is actually Swiss Hungarian -they told.
>> Their very good engineers-high class- remain still unknown. I hope to
>> meet them and to congratulate hem this Spring when I will visit Defkalion.
>> For the time given here is the greatest snow in more than 50 years- not
>> good for travel.
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>>>  *From:* Roarty, Francis X 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> **Ø **
>>>
>>> **Ø  **So Feb 25th may reveal a new leader in the field but without a
>>> big name researcher at the helm?  Will a new name responsible for all the
>>> claimed improvements arise or will they remain just an engineering house
>>> tweaking the discoveries of others?
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> Actually there is a “name” out there, mentioned before, of the head
>>> engineer of the project, who is regionally well-respected with a prior
>>> record of accomplishment.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> However, I seem to have lost the name. Peter may remember, as he could
>>> possibly be Romanian. 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Not sure about the nationality - but DGT is more than a collection of
>>> young engineers (the ones seen in the photos).
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I do understand where you’re coming from, with that concern…
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Jones
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Peter Gluck
>> Cluj, Romania
>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Vo]:[JONP] About Leonardo Corp. property + end of partnership with NI

[Patrick Ellul]

If you were Rossi and were 1000% convinced that it's all good to go, and
you only needed another 12-18 months to start shipping, wouldn't you try to
keep everything under wraps and obfuscate where possible? There's nothing
to gain, and IP to lose, by giving even the slightest thing away. That's
Rossi's most convincing argument, that he is very secretive and
obfuscating. The rest of us, we can only wait or ignore.



On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Some weeks ago, Rossi said that NI, he and the customer were working
> together on the 1MW plant. And now the customer wants something different?
> Why change a running system (if it ever was running)? And why is it
> important to the customer, which company supplies the controlling mechanism
> for a heating plant?
>
>
> Earning a place for your business on an approved vendor list can be your
> ticket to winning more government-contract work. Nearly all prime
> contractors maintain lists of preferred vendors and subcontractors based on
> the quality and timeliness of their work and other attributes. Many
> businesses work diligently to get on these lists because they put these
> businesses one step closer to participating in a government procurement.
>
>
>
> If secrecy is involved, the approved vendor has been cleared to do secret
> work with employees that have been vetted to the appropriate security
> level. The vender also assigns a security officer that maintains a
> confidential file system in a secured location within the vender’s facility
> and handles and maintains the security clearances of the employees.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Wolf Fischer  wrote:
>
>> Some weeks ago, Rossi said that NI, he and the customer were working
>> together on the 1MW plant. And now the customer wants something different?
>> Why change a running system (if it ever was running)? And why is it
>> important to the customer, which company supplies the controlling mechanism
>> for a heating plant?
>>
>> Wolf
>>
>>
>>  From Rossi:
>>>
>>> "Also our Customer has chosen other
>>> suppliers for the first generation of the domestic E-Cats and of the 1
>>> MW plants. "
>>>
>>> It is possible that a simple PLC/PAC could have been chosen.  I don't
>>> think stabilization would be that big a challenge.  All Rossi needed
>>> was some feedback.
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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[Vo]:"There is no tomorrow" Video

[Patrick Ellul]

Most of you might have already come across this, but here it goes:

About the future of energy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMWzjrRiBg&feature=share

How much of the figures are for real? What about the gloomy conclusion?

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[Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream

[Patrick Ellul]

Best stream i found so far. http://www.ustream.tv/nasaedge
Enjoy.

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Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream

[Patrick Ellul]

welcome. Please do share if you find a better stream.

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Harry Veeder  wrote:

> thanks.
> Harry
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Patrick Ellul 
> wrote:
> > Best stream i found so far. http://www.ustream.tv/nasaedge
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > --
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> >
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> >
>
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[Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

[Patrick Ellul]

Funded by marketing it as one big reality show... Possible?? And would you
buy a one way ticket to Mars?

http://mars-one.com/en/

Regards,
Patrick

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Re: [Vo]:Baltic mystery update

[Patrick Ellul]

It's a meteorite.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sverre Haslund  wrote:

> A new video from a swedish television station has been uploaded to
> YouTube. The language is swedish, but the images speak for themselves.
> The divers suspect the circular 60m. diam. anomaly to be made of
> something like concrete, too hard to take any samples from, with an
> egg shaped hole in the middle.
> A third 80m dive is now prepared with hydraulic tools to get samples
> from the object.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7NpKwZexDk&feature=youtu.be
>
> Sverre Haslund
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Mills : Solid State eCat ?

[Patrick Ellul]

 How would one measure COP in a "Solid State" e-cat?

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

> The New Solid State E-Cat
> http://pesn.com/2012/06/30/9602121_Solid_State_E-Cat/
>
> When first introduced to the world, Andrea Rossi's E-Cat required a flow
> of water to remain stable, even at low temperatures. Now, he has developed
> a new "solid state" high temperature model that is stable at temperatures
> even higher than 600C -- with no cooling needed!
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

[Patrick Ellul]

Just a note : it was I who picked up on his comment during the podcast and
asked for further detail on jonc.
On Nov 26, 2011 12:36 AM, "Aussie Guy E-Cat" 
wrote:

> The E-Cat keeps getting better and better. I like 450 deg C steam very
> much:
> http://www.e-catworld.com/**2011/11/andrea-rossi-working-**
> with-domenico-fioravanti-on-**electrical-power-from-e-cat/
>
> "Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from
> E-CatNovember 25, 2011
>
> Andrea Rossi has recently reported making a significant breakthrough in
> producing electricity from the E-Cat, something that had been a challenge
> for him for a long time. Rossi mentioned this breakthrough in the Tom and
> Doug show interview earlier this month, but didn’t go into any detail on
> the nature of it. Yesterday a reader on the JONP site asked for more
> information about the discovery, and Rossi responded <
> http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=510#**comments>
> with this comment:
>
>   “Actually, we have found a breakthrough with a primary fluid with
>   which the reactors remain stable when we make steam at 450 Celsius.
>   We are working on it together with our Customer. I am learning very
>   much from him, and in particular I am learning from the person who
>   made the test of the plant on October 28th. This person, now
>   retired, is an engineer who used to test for military concerns
>   thermic plants and missiles, so that he has a tremendous experience
>   in thermodynamics. Here is to learn really and, honestly, when it
>   turns to learn I am pretty fast. This collaboration is accelerating
>   the development of the technological declinations.”
>
>
> We see Rossi discussing again the need for stability within the reactors,
> and apparently now an appropriate fluid has been found to maintain
> stability, and to allow for the production of steam at a high enough
> temperature for efficient electrical production. Earlier this year Rossi
> was seeking solutions to create electricity at 200 Celsius, so there’s
> apparently been a lot of progress made.
>
> The retired engineer Rossi mentions is Domenico Fioravanti, the consultant
> that was sent by Rossi’s military customer to test the first 1 MW plant in
> Bologna. Now it looks like the two are working together to find ways to
> make these 1 MW plants (the military entity has ordered 12 more) produce
> electricity and steam, and Rossi is evidently learning a great deal from
> Fioravanti, and he seems to be very happy about the collaboration.
> Rossi is not shy about seeking help from any source that is willing to
> offer it, and his teachableness could turn out to be one of his greatest
> strengths when it comes to improving his invention."
>
>

[Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi all,

I have set up a long bet on a well respected website where the money from
both sides go to charity.

If you have a strong opinion on either side of this debate, you can
challenge this prediction and turn it into a bet. (Minimum $200).

The prediction is: "By November 30th 02013, Andrea Rossi's E-Cat technology
will be widely accepted to produce a COP of 6 or above"

The money will go to your nominated charity.

Read more at http://longbets.org/618/

Regards,
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

Mary Yugo,

Would you take up the challenge if I state the terms to be:

"More than 5 companies with at least 50 employees each publicly acknowledge
the satisfactory use of E-Cat for at least 3 months"

Let me know,
Patrick

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

> Widely recognized could mean that Fleishman and Pons and/or Rossi will get
> the nobel prize in 2013. High temperature conductivity, which is a much
> lesse expressive discovery, got within 1 year. If a couple customers
> confirm that e-cat works, which, if not a scam, is certainly going to
> happen within 1 year from this post.
>
>
> 2011/11/28 Ahsoka Tano 
>
>> Mary Yugo is correct.  The term "widely accepted to produce a COP of 6"
>> could mean anything depending on the observer and testing methodology.  By
>> many accounts in this forum, many of whom are textually prolific, it is
>> already widely accepted.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>>
>>> ..
>>> The prediction is: "By November 30th 02013, Andrea Rossi's E-Cat
>>> technology will be widely accepted to produce a COP of 6 or above".
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

Ok, so let's change it to:

"More than 10 companies with at least 50 employees and that Rossi has no
ownership of, each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat for
at least 3 months"

So?



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

> Let me think about.  They'd have to be verifiable as unrelated to Rossi
> and unconnected in any way other than as a client.
>
> Rossi probably has 5 companies and he can make any claims through them as
> he wants to -- for example Leonardo and Ampenergo so I don't think so.  If
> this thing is real, it will be widely acclaimed so you should have no
> worries with my previous suggestion.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> Mary Yugo,
>>
>> Would you take up the challenge if I state the terms to be:
>>
>> "More than 5 companies with at least 50 employees each publicly
>> acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat for at least 3 months"
>>
>> Let me know,
>> Patrick
>>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

I'm fine with 10, makes it more challenging.

And I'd be happy to lose on such a small technicality. Would still prove my
point. And the money goes to charity.

So, Mary Yugo, what do you say?

I do have one condition though, that the challenger reveals their true
identity.

Regards,
Patrick

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

> Patrick Ellul  wrote:
>
>
>> "More than 10 companies with at least 50 employees and that Rossi has no
>> ownership of, each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat for
>> at least 3 months"
>>
>
> Not good. He sold 13 to the mystery client. That may be a large fraction
> of his annual output. There may not be enough left for 10 other companies.
> I think 5 would be more reasonable.
>
> - Jed
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

Mary Yugo,

Yep that is a problem.

Certainly says something about your convictions if you are not able to back
them up with your real identity.

Is there anyone else who is game enough to put his real identity behind
this?

Regards,
Patrick Ellul

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> I do have one condition though, that the challenger reveals their true
>> identity.
>>
>
> Well, that's a problem.  I have no intention of discussing anything about
> my identity.
>



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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

This is just a novel way of giving some money to charity, while showing
your conviction right now.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

> Don't you think this challenge is too simple? If the ecat is true, a nobel
> prize is one of the smallest achievements.
>
>
> 2011/11/29 Patrick Ellul 
>
>> I'm fine with 10, makes it more challenging.
>>
>> And I'd be happy to lose on such a small technicality. Would still prove
>> my point. And the money goes to charity.
>>
>> So, Mary Yugo, what do you say?
>>
>> I do have one condition though, that the challenger reveals their true
>> identity.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Ellul  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "More than 10 companies with at least 50 employees and that Rossi has
>>>> no ownership of, each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat
>>>> for at least 3 months"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not good. He sold 13 to the mystery client. That may be a large fraction
>>> of his annual output. There may not be enough left for 10 other companies.
>>> I think 5 would be more reasonable.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>>
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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

Agree Daniel.

Yet some "skeptics" are not willing to put their true identity behind their
skepticism, even for such a "simple" challenge.

Regards,
Patrick


On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

> No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or 10
> companies is insignificant. If this is true, I expect no less than a nobel
> prize by 11/30/2013.
>
>
> 2011/11/29 Patrick Ellul 
>
>> This is just a novel way of giving some money to charity, while showing
>> your conviction right now.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>>
>>> Don't you think this challenge is too simple? If the ecat is true, a
>>> nobel prize is one of the smallest achievements.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/11/29 Patrick Ellul 
>>>
>>>> I'm fine with 10, makes it more challenging.
>>>>
>>>> And I'd be happy to lose on such a small technicality. Would still
>>>> prove my point. And the money goes to charity.
>>>>
>>>> So, Mary Yugo, what do you say?
>>>>
>>>> I do have one condition though, that the challenger reveals their true
>>>> identity.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Ellul  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "More than 10 companies with at least 50 employees and that Rossi has
>>>>>> no ownership of, each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat
>>>>>> for at least 3 months"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not good. He sold 13 to the mystery client. That may be a large
>>>>> fraction of his annual output. There may not be enough left for 10 other
>>>>> companies. I think 5 would be more reasonable.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

There are not so many companies with 2000 employees. For the sake of the
prediction, it doesnt matter if they have 50 employees or 2,000. It would
still prove  the technology is accepted.

Daniel, would you be willing to challenge the prediction?


On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

> Alright, so, at least 20 companies with at least 2 thousand employees will
> happily announce they are using e-cats
>
>
> 2011/11/29 Jed Rothwell 
>
>> Daniel Rocha  wrote:
>>
>> No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or 10
>>> companies is insignificant. If this is true, I expect no less than a nobel
>>> prize by 11/30/2013.
>>
>>
>> There is not a chance in hell the Nobel prize will ever go to anyone
>> associated with cold fusion. Not now, not ever. Too many people on the
>> committees have staked their reputations on it being wrong. They will all
>> have to die, and they are younger than most researchers. Even if I am wrong
>> about that, it will *certainly* not happen this year.
>>
>> Gene Mallove said the Nobel prize will fade away and be forgotten because
>> of cold fusion. I think that is a more likely outcome. It will
>> become irrelevant the way the French academy gradually did under the
>> onslaught of the Impressionist's increasing fame. (The Impressionists were
>> much more celebrated than some history books portray. When Monet painted
>> the Gare Saint Lazare in 1877, I have heard the station master cooperated
>> to the extent of delaying trains.
>>
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

Yep ok,

The long bet system accepts one name. It checks it against a credit card
number to make sure of true identity.

Glad to see that many would be up for this challenge :)

Regards,
Patrick

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint <
zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Patrick Ellul asks:
>
> “Is there anyone else who is game enough to put his real identity
> behind this?”
>
> ** **
>
> I think what would include most anyone on this list, except Mary, and
> perhaps Cude. 
>
> ** **
>
> To hide behind the veil of anonymity on a discussion group such as this is
> cowardly.
>
> ** **
>
> I have followed vortex-l since the 90s, and can’t remember any dispute
> between contributors which might have caused one to be fearful of
> ‘retaliation’; perhaps some of the real ol-timers could provide further
> comment.  At the worst, you’d have to buy everyone a round of drinks at the
> dime box saloon… real dangerous indeed!  ;-)
>
> ** **
>
> -Mark 
>
> ** **
>



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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

Fair enough Mary Yugo.

But surely someone else in this forum is willing to bet $200 that will go
to charity, on the E-Cat not working.

Anyone??

Or has the E-Cat already been accepted by the wide majority already? :)

Regards,
Patrick


On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint <
> zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> To hide behind the veil of anonymity on a discussion group such as this
>> is cowardly.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have followed vortex-l since the 90s, and can’t remember any dispute
>> between contributors which might have caused one to be fearful of
>> ‘retaliation’
>>
>
> This has nothing to do with Vortex of cold fusion issues.  I have been
> involved in issues in which a lot of money was involved and the
> unscrupulous sociopaths responsible for the scams would never think twice
> before using violence if it could be done without their being detected and
> prosecuted.
>



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Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi Mary Yugo,

You might be able to get away with your pseudo-identity on long bets.

There's no harm in trying to register at the website.

Let me know how it goes.

Regards,
Patrick

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> My bet is:
> at 30 nov 2013 at least 5 companies other than Rossi's will manufacture
> commercial energy
> generators based on Transition Metals-H LENR.
> Peter
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
>> Fair enough Mary Yugo.
>>
>> But surely someone else in this forum is willing to bet $200 that will go
>> to charity, on the E-Cat not working.
>>
>> Anyone??
>>
>> Or has the E-Cat already been accepted by the wide majority already? :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint <
>>> zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To hide behind the veil of anonymity on a discussion group such as this
>>>> is cowardly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have followed vortex-l since the 90s, and can’t remember any dispute
>>>> between contributors which might have caused one to be fearful of
>>>> ‘retaliation’
>>>>
>>>
>>> This has nothing to do with Vortex of cold fusion issues.  I have been
>>> involved in issues in which a lot of money was involved and the
>>> unscrupulous sociopaths responsible for the scams would never think twice
>>> before using violence if it could be done without their being detected and
>>> prosecuted.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Patrick
>>
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>>
>
>
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> Cluj, Romania
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Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi Mary,

Do you intend to ever reveal your true identity? If Rossi is proved right?
Or proved wrong?

Regards,
Patrick

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
>
>>  The other tests cannot be faked as far as I know. No skeptic has come
>> up with a plausible method.
>>
>> The usual history of scammers is that they eventually have to do more
> demonstrations and then they get caught or become obvious.  That's what
> happened to Sniffex and Steorn, for example.   Or they stay quiet so long
> that nobody cares about them any more.  That's what Mark Goldes and his
> various magnetic motor and superconductor claims have achieved -- nobody
> who knows anything about how things work really cares.   I suppose that a
> few fringe lunatics might still believe him.   Out of respect for this
> crowd, I won't name names but it's probably the usual suspects and their
> usual blogs.
>
> I think that within a year or so, we'll have a pretty good idea of whether
> Rossi is for real...   or not.   I'm sure if he chooses the quiet route,
> some believers will scream "Men in black!"  and "Suppressed by the CIA or
> the oil companies" but nobody will believe them, I hope.
>
>
>


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[Vo]:Apple's Hydrogen Batteries..

[Patrick Ellul]

... won't need a recharge for weeks...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8975382/Apple-plots-smartphones-powered-by-hydrogen.html

Merry Christmas.

Re: [Vo]:Celani WSEC 2012 slides online

[Patrick Ellul]

So Celani is claiming that the effect is real beyond any reasonable doubt.
How credible is Celani? And what do the sceptics think?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:

> Hello group,
>
> Francesco Celani just sent to Daniele Passerini (22passi) the slides he
> will show tomorrow during his preliminary 20 minutes talk at the Geneva
> WSEC 2012 conference, in English (the day after he will hold a more
> detailed two hour workshop on LENR in which he will supposedly also
> introduce relevant news on Piantelli):
>
> http://www.22passi.it/**downloads/WSEC2012%20Present.**pdf
>
> (source: http://22passi.blogspot.com/**2012/01/ancora-una-email-da-**
> francesco-celani.html)
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Request volunteer assistance revamping LENR-CANR.org website

[Patrick Ellul]

I also recommend Drupal, Wordpress, or Joomla

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:

> Hallo,
>
> If you need help, I can do database stuff with php and MySql. However, I
> am lousy webdesigner, so I will not build you modern looking tempelate from
> scratch.
>
> However, there are ready made templates and I can modify one for the needs
> of your site. So if you can find a web a html+css template for your site, I
> can do the database programming. So that it is easy for you to maintain.
>
>   —Jouni
>  On Jan 13, 2012 5:18 PM, "Jed Rothwell"  wrote:
>
>> Ed Storms, Akira Shirakawa and others have suggested I update the look
>> and feel of the LENR-CANR.org website. In particular, the library indexes
>> are badly out of data and useless. I was thinking of doing this a few years
>> ago but a large organization said they might take over the maintenance of
>> the site, so I put it off. I have not heard from them lately so I guess
>> that's on hold. Anyway, I've been thinking about doing this.
>>
>> The actual work is trivial because the website is simple. I could do it
>> in a week. It would save me time and prevent errors if someone who knows
>> about modern rituals would assist. I could pay a consultant but it am a
>> cheapskate and this is a volunteer effort anyway so I don't feel like
>> paying.
>>
>> Please contact me by direct e-mail if you're interested in
>> assisting. This is off topic here, but let me briefly what I have in mind.
>>
>> LOOK & FEEL
>>
>> Converting the screens to a modern look should take a week. It could use
>> some reorganization along the way. I welcome any suggestions. The thing
>> about the "look and feel" is, I do not like the way modern websites look so
>> I have not bothered to do it. I have no strong opinion about this, but
>> changing it seems pointless. If someone who likes modern web design would
>> be willing to lend a hand and get me started I would be happy to finish up.
>> I do not want to burden it with pop-ups or lots of graphic images.
>>
>> Akira suggested I look at Wordpress instead of HTML editors. I see it has
>> some advantages but it seems more suited to blog-style web pages than a
>> library. I use Namo Webeditor 9. That is a creaky, unfriendly old
>> program. LENR-CANR.org pages is so rudimentary I often just edit the HTML
>> directly by hand.
>>
>> INDEXES
>>
>> In the present version of LENR-CANR.org the indexes are crude, static
>> HTML code. The obvious way to do this is with SQL. When we started, the ISP
>> did not even offer an online utility SQL. Later we moved to ISPs that offer
>> this kind of thing but it cost a lot of money. So I never bothered to
>> convert. Now that MySQL and PostgreSQL are free, I might as well use SQL
>> instead of my home-grown indexes. I downloaded the manual. Relational
>> databases have no changed much since the 1980s. This is simple database
>> with only 3000 items so it is a piece of cake.
>>
>> I tested the PostgreSQL at our ISP, which is Jumpline.com. There is
>> nothing to it. I can reformat the database into their import format and
>> make the one-to-many links and whatnot.
>>
>>  The problem is, Namo Webeditor 9 does not want to talk to Jumpline's
>> SQL utilities. Maybe I just can't figure out the right parameters.
>> Companies such as Jumpline and Namo offer no help for things like that. I
>> have been poking around with Wavemaker.com and some other SQL utilities. I
>> do not like the idea of using two different programs to maintain the
>> website.
>>
>> Perhaps someone can recommend an integrated solution? One program that
>> does it all and works with the latest version of PostgreSQL? I don't
>> mind paying for a program. I am not that much of a cheapskate! I do not
>> want any Microsoft web programs such as Frontpage. I am allergic to
>> Microsoft. Frontpage was a nightmare to work with. It generated
>> outrageously bloated HTML with lots of nonfunctional stuff. I mean stuff
>> like HTML that does not display! You wonder how they managed to do that.
>> HTML is an idiotic standard in many ways. It has lots of ad hoc stuff lying
>> around. But it is simple and relatively foolproof. How do you manage to
>> crank out HTML code that flies off the screen or makes the background the
>> same as the foreground?!? It takes a kind of genius. I have to convert
>> Word files to HTML sometimes, for the abstracts in the database. I ended up
>> writing a Pascal program to clean out the garbage. I see that Frontpage
>> has been replaced with Microsoft Expression. Probably just as bad.
>>
>>
>> As I said, contact me directly if you would like to assist. For free.
>> Bearing in mind that virtue is its own reward.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>


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[Vo]:Rossi selling Licences?

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Lure+of+cold+fusion+backfires#q=Lure+of+cold+fusion+backfires&hl=en&prmd=imvnsu&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=Zy8WT8TDC7CviQfm_9RD&ved=0CDMQqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=e0379f193c830c55&biw=1440&bih=839


"He said Byron New Energy Charitable Trust had planned to use some of that
money (understood to be $100,000) to buy the Australian rights to the
technology."

"The only impediment to us obtaining this licence right now is your default
of payment of the $200,000 that you owe us by close of business (on January
17). "

Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licences?

[Patrick Ellul]

@Aussie Guy: You better hurry before you lose the exclusivity to sell
e-cats down under, to Dick Smith :) just kidding!

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Like, wow!  This is hotter than a Rossi Reactor.
>
> T
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

[Patrick Ellul]

The interview was in Bologna on Jan 12, but it does not mean that all the
footage in this video was also taken in Jan 12. Maybe it's a montage from
older videos.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Wolf Fischer  wrote:

> I did some further analysis of the picture and I am now pretty sure that
> the Ecat has either NOT been moved or it has been put back to exactly the
> same position. I have reuploaded the picture in the following link:
> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-**images/696/ecatcollage.png/
> The important stuff is in the pictures in row 3 (i drew a red circle
> around the additional black lines and the crossings which I think are
> important; At the back of the ecat I only inserted the vertical black line,
> the crossing horizontal black line is from the window / wall / whatever).
> Both vertically as well as horizontally this seems to be the same position
> (give or take a few centimeters because of the picture resolution as well
> as the slightly different angle / position of the camera man).
>
> Wolf
>
>
>
>  Akira,
>>
>> Then are you saying Rossi was a bit untruthful when he said the customer
>> was
>> completely satisfied with the demo, and took delivery?
>>
>> Anyway - I'm not so sure that it is exactly in the same position on Jan 12
>> as Oct 28.
>>
>> It is in a similar position, as it would need to be, near the loading dock
>> door and on the mat.
>>
>> Jones
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Akira Shirakawa
>>
>>  It looks like the container has never been moved from its original
>>>
>> location.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.A.
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

[Patrick Ellul]

   1. Italo R.
   January 18th, 2012 at 2:02
PM

   Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna
   realized on the 12th of January 2012
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc
   In it appears a 1 MW container.
   May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with
   ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer?
   Thank you.
   Kind regards,
   Italo R.
   2. Andrea Rossi
   January 18th, 2012 at 6:44
PM

   Dear Italo R.
   Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National
   Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it
   will be ready.
   Warm Regards,
   A.R.


On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
>  wrote:
> > It is very obvious.
>
> Indeed it is.  The telltale is the tilt in the pipe feeding the
> pressure meter on the outside.
>
> The only question, as Beene points out, is when the vid was filmed.
> IMO, the B^3 is unmoved.  (Besides, the top Ottomans outside the box
> would have been blown off when pulled by a truck.)
>
> Probably archived stock anyway.
>
> T
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

[Patrick Ellul]

I must say, the acronym for the company name is SHT.


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYliDUI8bY4#t=173
>
>
>
> See story at 
> http://pesn.com/2014/04/29/9602478_So...
> Interview: Solar Hydrogen Trends is revolutionizing all energy
> I calculate 577 x overunity based on their third-party test results of 697
> Watt input producing 2322 liters of gas/minute, equating to 402 kW output,
> from a device twice the size of a microwave oven, drawing from 16 different
> simultaneous phenomena creating what they call their "Symphony", including
> turning O into H and controlling particles. They're ready to go into
> production manufacturing these.
>
>
>
> This might be a cavatation system what uses a shock wave. Or it could be a
> scam, time will tell.
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

[Patrick Ellul]

You are so right Jed. (not that it means anything from me)

But remember the chain:

Rossi -> Tom Darden (Cherokee/IH) -> Bill McDonough (
Cherokee/McDonough Challenge)
->Larry Page, Richard Branson, Elon Musk, Jimmy Wales etc

see:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HO64ew8KwyUfNz-RD63k69MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0

So there is hope.

Thanks to Frank Acland for re-digging that link.

Regards.

Patrick



On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Eric Walker  wrote:
>
> I'm less confident on getting the timing right for a breakout development
>> than you.  Even if we saw a spike of interest comparable to the one shown
>> for the first Elforsk test, I very much doubt there will be more publicity
>> following upon it than happened the last time.
>>
>
> I agree. I doubt that ELFORSK wants people to know, other than the small
> circle of people who follow this field. I doubt they will keep the paper
> secret. They probably couldn't; it would leak. I expect them to publish at
> arXiv again.
>
>
>
>> Even if the test results are stellar, I do not think they would cause a
>> movement in the oil markets at this point.
>>
>
> If stellar results could have any effect on public opinion or industry,
> the whole world would have believed in cold fusion after McKubre published.
> Experts such as Gerisher and later Duncan looked at the data and were
> instantly convinced. Fully replicated, high sigma, top quality experimental
> proof from hundreds of world class laboratories plus $18 will buy you a 30
> Hershey Bars at Amazon.com. That is all it is good for.
>
>
>
>>  If I had to guess, there would need to be three or four credible,
>> completely independent reproductions that were given high degree of
>> visibility in the mainstream media before cold fusion is even sufficiently
>> funded.
>>
>
> The mainstream media would never publish any report, no matter how
> convincing. Not from ELFORSK, EPRI or any other power company organization.
> The physics establishment will say that power companies know nothing about
> nuclear physics so they must be wrong. The mass media will only report on
> what the physics establishment blesses.
>
> Other than that, the mass media would only report:
>
> 1. A famous mogul such as Bill Gates is funding cold fusion OR
>
> 2. A commercial cold fusion device has actually gone sale.
>
> Anything less newsworthy will never see the light of day.
>
> That does not matter much. We do not not need the mass media. What we need
> is money, from someone like Gates, and we need experiments that work.
>
> - Jed
>
>


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[Vo]:Bitcoin P2P Betting on E-Cat report

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi guys,

I'm not too sure how it would work, but here it goes anyway.

I don't think that there is anyone in this world who would bet that the
reported COP will be < 2, not even the skeptics, as they believe that the
report will be wrong or faked.

https://www.betmoose.com/bet/result-of-independent-test-of-rossi-ecat-2014-240

Regards.
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Bitcoin P2P Betting on E-Cat report

[Patrick Ellul]

According to that bet, the report will be the judge.

The report is the judge of that bet by the COP that it reports.


On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Alain Sepeda 
wrote:

> Who will judge the bet is won ?
> Nature, Science ?
>
> the problem is that in the case the report is positive based on the
> experimental results :
> - first the testers will weaken their language , like they already did, to
> avoid commiting, whatever is the result.
> - second the skeptics will just say "no it is not true" and they will win
> the bet... because Nature, Science, APS will confirm...
>
>
> you should rather bet on something opposable like :
> an announce by a big companies (how many billions sales?>10bn?), who never
> communicate on LENR (list in th bet the companies to exclude), they are
> funding research in LENR...
>
>
> or a client who communicates. NB: is Cherokee not a client since they
> bought the technology ?
>
>
>
> 2014-06-22 0:02 GMT+02:00 Patrick Ellul :
>
> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm not too sure how it would work, but here it goes anyway.
>>
>> I don't think that there is anyone in this world who would bet that the
>> reported COP will be < 2, not even the skeptics, as they believe that the
>> report will be wrong or faked.
>>
>>
>> https://www.betmoose.com/bet/result-of-independent-test-of-rossi-ecat-2014-240
>>
>> Regards.
>>  Patrick
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Bitcoin P2P Betting on E-Cat report

[Patrick Ellul]

Now, have you got some bitcoins to back your belief?


On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> Thanks for posting this.  I signed up at betmoose.com and set up 3 more
> contracts to trade on.
>
>
> https://www.betmoose.com/bet/cyclone-po ... rt-out-257
> <https://www.betmoose.com/bet/cyclone-power-will-go-bankrupt-before-ecat-report-out-257>
>
>
> https://www.betmoose.com/bet/effect-of- ... n-cypw-259
> <https://www.betmoose.com/bet/effect-of-3rd-independent-report-on-ecat-on-cypw-259>
>
> https://www.betmoose.com/bet/will-andre ... r-ecat-260
> <https://www.betmoose.com/bet/will-andrea-rossi-be-indicted-for-fraud-over-ecat-260>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Patrick Ellul 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm not too sure how it would work, but here it goes anyway.
>>
>> I don't think that there is anyone in this world who would bet that the
>> reported COP will be < 2, not even the skeptics, as they believe that the
>> report will be wrong or faked.
>>
>>
>> https://www.betmoose.com/bet/result-of-independent-test-of-rossi-ecat-2014-240
>>
>> Regards.
>>  Patrick
>>
>>
>


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[Vo]:Hydrogen From Water Using Nickel nanoparticle Catalyst

[Patrick Ellul]

A cheap hydrogen generator that relies on a nickel nanoparticle may be the
game-changer we have been waiting for.
https://beta.cosmosmagazine.com/physical-sciences/hydrogen-fuel-water-almost-within-our-grasp

[Vo]:Rossi asks for patent reconsideration extension

[Patrick Ellul]

In waiting of the second independent third party report.

http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123564999_3.pdf

via: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ECat.LENR/

Regards,
Patrick