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LNP's are not so healthy and should only be used in terminally ill patients... Or as a spice for butter... https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210315/Research-looks-at-inflammatory-nature-of-lipid-nanoparticle-component-in-mRNA-vaccines.aspx J.W. On 20.01.2023 05:36, MSF wrote: What have you been smoking, Jed? The lipid nanoparticles are butter? Well hardly. From the MIT Technology Review: The Pfizer lipid nanoparticle ingredients: * (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis (ALC-3015) * (2- hexyldecanoate),2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide (ALC-0159) * 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC) * cholesterol Who knew that butter could be so complex? I just couldn't even taste that phosphocholine compound last time I spread some butter on my toast. As I should have said in my previous post, you know, as someone who doesn't know the first thing about biology, I believe that these lipid nanoparticles could catalyze and provide a scaffold for the formation of a biopolymer. The "feed stock" for this polymer would be the phospholipid bilayer that comprises most of the area of the cell membrane. As cells in the human body break down, as they inevitably do, the remnants of the phospholipid layer, instead of dissipating might polymerize into one of those rubbery clots assisted by the lipid nanoparticles in from the "vaccine". I suspect, given its structure the 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC) would be the primary cause of this. I realize this is sheer speculation, from someone who "doesn't know the first thing about biology", but what other explanation is possible? I'd like spread some 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine on my toast, but bought in small quantities it's about $200 per milligram. I can't find any reference to the Moderna lipid nanoparticles, but I imagine they are the same or similar. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, January 18th, 2023 at 6:44 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: MSF wrote: While there has been a great deal of discussion about the properties of the spike protein in the covid mRNA treatment, little has been mentioned of the lipid nanoparticles carrying said spike protein. These lipid nanoparticles are organo-phosporous compounds specifically designed to penetrate the blood-brain barrier. This lipid is also known as "butter." Do you seriously think that injecting butter into a muscle causes harm? It is conceivable that injecting it into the bloodstream might cause a problem, but all rMNA vaccines are intramuscular. How do you think the lipids reach the brain, or anywhere other than the tissue surrounding the injection? You people do not know the first thing about biology. All of the comments here make anti-cold fusion fanatics look good in comparison. -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr. 22 8910 Affoltern am Albis +41 44 760 14 18 +41 79 246 36 06
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
What have you been smoking, Jed? The lipid nanoparticles are butter? Well hardly. From the MIT Technology Review: The Pfizer lipid nanoparticle ingredients: - (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis (ALC-3015) - (2- hexyldecanoate),2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide (ALC-0159) - 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC) - cholesterol Who knew that butter could be so complex? I just couldn't even taste that phosphocholine compound last time I spread some butter on my toast. As I should have said in my previous post, you know, as someone who doesn't know the first thing about biology, I believe that these lipid nanoparticles could catalyze and provide a scaffold for the formation of a biopolymer. The "feed stock" for this polymer would be the phospholipid bilayer that comprises most of the area of the cell membrane. As cells in the human body break down, as they inevitably do, the remnants of the phospholipid layer, instead of dissipating might polymerize into one of those rubbery clots assisted by the lipid nanoparticles in from the "vaccine". I suspect, given its structure the 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC) would be the primary cause of this. I realize this is sheer speculation, from someone who "doesn't know the first thing about biology", but what other explanation is possible? I'd like spread some 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine on my toast, but bought in small quantities it's about $200 per milligram. I can't find any reference to the Moderna lipid nanoparticles, but I imagine they are the same or similar. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, January 18th, 2023 at 6:44 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > MSF wrote: > >> While there has been a great deal of discussion about the properties of the >> spike protein in the covid mRNA treatment, little has been mentioned of the >> lipid nanoparticles carrying said spike protein. These lipid nanoparticles >> are organo-phosporous compounds specifically designed to penetrate the >> blood-brain barrier. > > This lipid is also known as "butter." Do you seriously think that injecting > butter into a muscle causes harm? It is conceivable that injecting it into > the bloodstream might cause a problem, but all rMNA vaccines are > intramuscular. How do you think the lipids reach the brain, or anywhere other > than the tissue surrounding the injection? > > You people do not know the first thing about biology. All of the comments > here make anti-cold fusion fanatics look good in comparison.
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These are nanolipids made in Canada. On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 1:44 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > MSF wrote: > > >> While there has been a great deal of discussion about the properties of >> the spike protein in the covid mRNA treatment, little has been mentioned of >> the lipid nanoparticles carrying said spike protein. These lipid >> nanoparticles are organo-phosporous compounds specifically designed to >> penetrate the blood-brain barrier. > > > This lipid is also known as "butter." Do you seriously think that > injecting butter into a muscle causes harm? It is conceivable that > injecting it into the bloodstream might cause a problem, but all rMNA > vaccines are intramuscular. How do you think the lipids reach the brain, or > anywhere other than the tissue surrounding the injection? > > You people do not know the first thing about biology. All of the comments > here make anti-cold fusion fanatics look good in comparison. > >
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
MSF wrote: > While there has been a great deal of discussion about the properties of > the spike protein in the covid mRNA treatment, little has been mentioned of > the lipid nanoparticles carrying said spike protein. These lipid > nanoparticles are organo-phosporous compounds specifically designed to > penetrate the blood-brain barrier. This lipid is also known as "butter." Do you seriously think that injecting butter into a muscle causes harm? It is conceivable that injecting it into the bloodstream might cause a problem, but all rMNA vaccines are intramuscular. How do you think the lipids reach the brain, or anywhere other than the tissue surrounding the injection? You people do not know the first thing about biology. All of the comments here make anti-cold fusion fanatics look good in comparison.
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
While there has been a great deal of discussion about the properties of the spike protein in the covid mRNA treatment, little has been mentioned of the lipid nanoparticles carrying said spike protein. These lipid nanoparticles are organo-phosporous compounds specifically designed to penetrate the blood-brain barrier. Kinda scary, don't you think? Especially when you consider the increased rate of strokes among the "vaxxed" and boosted. I have a hypothesis about the so-called blood clots being pulled out of those victims of the mRNA shot. These clots are not blood clots. When the blood is rinsed off, they are gray or light brown. I believe they are a polymer of the lipid nanoparticles. Analysis of these clots reveal a concentration of phosphorous more than four times higher that actual blood clots. They contain only a small fraction of the iron normally found in blood. Since each booster shot contains the lipid nanoparticles, it seems to me that this gunk is going to get worse with each shot, each time increasing the possibility of various adverse reactions. --- Original Message --- On Friday, January 6th, 2023 at 5:51 PM, Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > On 06.01.2023 17:43, CB Sites wrote: > > > I think this URL can help clear up some of this. > > https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/video/can-mrna-vaccines-alter-a-persons-dna > > People here mix up what a vaccine (RNA gene therapy in fact) can do > without looking at what can happen inside a cell. > Reverse transcriptase can potentially be active in any cell as people > with AIDS/Hepatitis B know very well. Other virus are ominpresent in > your body. > . > Reverse transcription is responsible for about 30% of your DNA. Most of > the historic virus genes are inactive because these are fragmented. > Thus in general integration of RNA/DNA into the genome is not the real > problem as rarely the whole virus gets entered and after this is just > dormant. > > The spike protein enters the nucleus as a protein as many other virus do > too and blocks mitosis. Measles chicken pox virus, HTLV-1.. stay in > diverse tissue after you managed the illness and can reoccur once your > immune system gets weaker. > > Simply be aware that a RNA vaxxine = gene therapy. And yes there is an > other term = gen-editing, what is an other kind of therapy to make gene > therapy permanent. > > Sorry for the folks that got the useless RNA shot. Try to level up your > basic health. > > > For the German speaking here a summary from Prof. Hadisch a leader of a > vaccine institute who refused to vaxxinate his patients...(3 parts) > > https://youtu.be/nZf366Qsp3g > > https://youtu.be/9TaPypNESDk > > https://youtu.be/mB0EVgFyLz8 > > J.W. > > > -- Jürg Wyttenbach > Bifangstr. 22 8910 Affoltern am Albis +41 44 760 14 18 +41 79 246 36 06
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On 06.01.2023 17:43, CB Sites wrote: I think this URL can help clear up some of this. https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/video/can-mrna-vaccines-alter-a-persons-dna People here mix up what a vaccine (RNA gene therapy in fact) can do without looking at what can happen inside a cell. Reverse transcriptase can potentially be active in any cell as people with AIDS/Hepatitis B know very well. Other virus are ominpresent in your body. . Reverse transcription is responsible for about 30% of your DNA. Most of the historic virus genes are inactive because these are fragmented. Thus in general integration of RNA/DNA into the genome is not the real problem as rarely the whole virus gets entered and after this is just dormant. The spike protein enters the nucleus as a protein as many other virus do too and blocks mitosis. Measles chicken pox virus, HTLV-1.. stay in diverse tissue after you managed the illness and can reoccur once your immune system gets weaker. Simply be aware that a RNA vaxxine = gene therapy. And yes there is an other term = gen-editing, what is an other kind of therapy to make gene therapy permanent. Sorry for the folks that got the useless RNA shot. Try to level up your basic health. For the German speaking here a summary from Prof. Hadisch a leader of a vaccine institute who refused to vaxxinate his patients...(3 parts) https://youtu.be/nZf366Qsp3g https://youtu.be/9TaPypNESDk https://youtu.be/mB0EVgFyLz8 J.W. -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr. 22 8910 Affoltern am Albis +41 44 760 14 18 +41 79 246 36 06
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I think this URL can help clear up some of this. https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/video/can-mrna-vaccines-alter-a-persons-dna On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 1:20 AM MSF wrote: > > > > This is sort of a digression. But doesn't the phenomenon of epi-genetics > mean that Lysenko was at least partially right? > > In any case, the mrna treatments, regardless of the theory of spike > protein behavior, appear to be a horrid and dangerous fraud perpetrated on > an unsuspecting population. Pfizer and Moderna already knew in advance many > of the deadly side effects, yet went ahead. According to insurance company > date in the U.S., the excess mortality rate is at 40%. > > --- Original Message --- > On Friday, January 6th, 2023 at 12:30 AM, Jürg Wyttenbach < > ju...@datamart.ch> wrote: > > > > On 05.01.2023 19:38, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > > > No, it is a fundamental law of microbiology, established in 1957 by > > > Watson. > > > > > > > > This is utmost silly and simply outdated. Watson just found the > > structure of the DNA and had not the slightest clue of cellular biology. > > > > > > I can only advise you to buy a more recent text book. May be there you > > will still miss many things about epi- genetics and how this can lead to > > DNA inclusions. Of course this path is slow but already the bible > > referenced it with "seven generations will suffer from your evil" what > > exactly could be seen by an Israel research team that tortured rats. > > > > > > I agree that most vaccines are safe. But RNA gene therapy is not a > > vaccine. Its a forced allergy by a high concentration of one of the > > worst poison we know... > > > > The safety record of RNA gene therapy is very poor and you can only pray > > that we will not see more than the current 15% excess mortality we now > > face world wide. > > > > Switzerland is actually at 30% excess mortality for age > 64. May be > > > > some RNA vaxxinated can no longer fight the flue... > > > > J.W. > > > > -- > > Jürg Wyttenbach > > Bifangstr. 22 > > 8910 Affoltern am Albis > > > > +41 44 760 14 18 > > +41 79 246 36 06 > >
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
This is sort of a digression. But doesn't the phenomenon of epi-genetics mean that Lysenko was at least partially right? In any case, the mrna treatments, regardless of the theory of spike protein behavior, appear to be a horrid and dangerous fraud perpetrated on an unsuspecting population. Pfizer and Moderna already knew in advance many of the deadly side effects, yet went ahead. According to insurance company date in the U.S., the excess mortality rate is at 40%. --- Original Message --- On Friday, January 6th, 2023 at 12:30 AM, Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > On 05.01.2023 19:38, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > No, it is a fundamental law of microbiology, established in 1957 by > > Watson. > > > > This is utmost silly and simply outdated. Watson just found the > structure of the DNA and had not the slightest clue of cellular biology. > > > I can only advise you to buy a more recent text book. May be there you > will still miss many things about epi- genetics and how this can lead to > DNA inclusions. Of course this path is slow but already the bible > referenced it with "seven generations will suffer from your evil" what > exactly could be seen by an Israel research team that tortured rats. > > > I agree that most vaccines are safe. But RNA gene therapy is not a > vaccine. Its a forced allergy by a high concentration of one of the > worst poison we know... > > The safety record of RNA gene therapy is very poor and you can only pray > that we will not see more than the current 15% excess mortality we now > face world wide. > > Switzerland is actually at 30% excess mortality for age > 64. May be > > some RNA vaxxinated can no longer fight the flue... > > J.W. > > -- > Jürg Wyttenbach > Bifangstr. 22 > 8910 Affoltern am Albis > > +41 44 760 14 18 > +41 79 246 36 06
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On 05.01.2023 19:38, Jed Rothwell wrote: No, it is a fundamental law of microbiology, established in 1957 by Watson. This is utmost silly and simply outdated. Watson just found the structure of the DNA and had not the slightest clue of cellular biology. I can only advise you to buy a more recent text book. May be there you will still miss many things about epi- genetics and how this can lead to DNA inclusions. Of course this path is slow but already the bible referenced it with "seven generations will suffer from your evil" what exactly could be seen by an Israel research team that tortured rats. I agree that most vaccines are safe. But RNA gene therapy is not a vaccine. Its a forced allergy by a high concentration of one of the worst poison we know... The safety record of RNA gene therapy is very poor and you can only pray that we will not see more than the current 15% excess mortality we now face world wide. Switzerland is actually at 30% excess mortality for age > 64. May be some RNA vaxxinated can no longer fight the flue... J.W. -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr. 22 8910 Affoltern am Albis +41 44 760 14 18 +41 79 246 36 06
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Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > RNA never enters the cell nucleus, > > This is dilettante wording. > No, it is a fundamental law of microbiology, established in 1957 by Watson. It is called the Central Dogma. It is described in every textbook published since the 1960s. The only exception is a retrovirus. > RNA is not directly reverse transcribed into DNA and included in the > nucleus DNA. Physically the spike protein does enter the nucleus a shown by > many researchers. Once there it disturbs mitosis (splitting of a cell > during growth). So its is potentially inducing cancer in fast growing > tissues. > If that were true, every cold would induce cancer. Life on earth would not exist. And even if it is true, the number of spike proteins from a cold, covid or any other coronavirus is about a million times greater than from the mRNA vaccine, and the spike proteins from a cold are in all parts of the body, not confined mainly in shoulder tissue. So it is a million times more dangerous to get a cold than it is to get vaccinated.
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RNA never enters the cell nucleus, This is dilettante wording. RNA is not directly reverse transcribed into DNA and included in the nucleus DNA. Physically the spike protein does enter the nucleus a shown by many researchers. Once there it disturbs mitosis (splitting of a cell during growth). So its is potentially inducing cancer in fast growing tissues. The cellular immune system can include any RNA into the nucleus under special conditions that rarely happen. The number of spike proteins generated by the vaccine is roughly a million times smaller This is comparing apples with tires. The spike protein of a virus stays in the cell and is cut down to pieces by the RNA clean up apparatus. The spike protein from the RNA causes two very bad effects. It may stick in many tissues and cause inflammation that e.g. finally kills athletes on the field that suffer from a hidden heart inflammation. Even worse is the second effect that follows from the allergy like immune reaction. After all contacts with the virus the body reproduces spikes and hence the damage restarts/progresses. The spike antibody that finally occurs masks the ACE2 receptors, that are needed to fight any viral infection. UK data (very reliable) did show that the group age between 50..60, double (RNA) vaxx got 10x more often CoV-19 than the unvaxx. RNA vaxxines cause immune suppression and do negatively protect from a CoV-19 infection. This effect has already occurred during the Pfizer phase III study where in the vaxxine group > 1200 people were denied a PCR test despite having CoV-.19 symptoms All this is public - but Pfizer is to big to jail or they and their buddies pay halve the Congress CDC, FDA... J.W. On 05.01.2023 15:01, Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: I tend to agree that the mRNA vaccines are not proven safe and effective and likely contribute to an increased rate of mutation. That is physically impossible. RNA never enters the cell nucleus, except with a retrovirus, and this is not a retrovirus. It is a fragment of an ordinary virus. It cannot even reproduce. If viral RNA from a coronavirus could cause mutations or change DNA, the common cold and every other viral infection would do this. No species would survive. The number of spike proteins generated by the vaccine is roughly a million times smaller than the number generated by any coronavirus infection, including the cold. Furthermore, nearly all of the proteins are confined to a small amount of tissue in the arm. So that cannot be a problem. Furthermore, no RNA survives for more than a few days. Cells produce a steady stream of RNA. If it was not destroyed by the body, we would turn into blobs of RNA in a month. This is high-school level biology. -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr. 22 8910 Affoltern am Albis +41 44 760 14 18 +41 79 246 36 06
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Also, from NPR: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965703047/vaccines-could-drive-the-evolution-of-more-covid-19-mutants On Thu, Jan 5, 2023, 11:13 AM Terry Blanton wrote: > CIMB | Free Full-Text | Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer > BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line > > https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73 > > True it was in vitro; but, it has raised concern. > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2023, 9:01 AM Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> Terry Blanton wrote: >> >> I tend to agree that the mRNA vaccines are not proven safe and effective >>> and likely contribute to an increased rate of mutation. >>> >> >> That is physically impossible. RNA never enters the cell nucleus, except >> with a retrovirus, and this is not a retrovirus. It is a fragment of an >> ordinary virus. It cannot even reproduce. If viral RNA from a coronavirus >> could cause mutations or change DNA, the common cold and every other viral >> infection would do this. No species would survive. >> >> The number of spike proteins generated by the vaccine is roughly a >> million times smaller than the number generated by any coronavirus >> infection, including the cold. Furthermore, nearly all of the proteins are >> confined to a small amount of tissue in the arm. So that cannot be a >> problem. Furthermore, no RNA survives for more than a few days. Cells >> produce a steady stream of RNA. If it was not destroyed by the body, we >> would turn into blobs of RNA in a month. >> >> This is high-school level biology. >> >>
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CIMB | Free Full-Text | Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73 True it was in vitro; but, it has raised concern. On Thu, Jan 5, 2023, 9:01 AM Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > > I tend to agree that the mRNA vaccines are not proven safe and effective >> and likely contribute to an increased rate of mutation. >> > > That is physically impossible. RNA never enters the cell nucleus, except > with a retrovirus, and this is not a retrovirus. It is a fragment of an > ordinary virus. It cannot even reproduce. If viral RNA from a coronavirus > could cause mutations or change DNA, the common cold and every other viral > infection would do this. No species would survive. > > The number of spike proteins generated by the vaccine is roughly a million > times smaller than the number generated by any coronavirus infection, > including the cold. Furthermore, nearly all of the proteins are confined to > a small amount of tissue in the arm. So that cannot be a problem. > Furthermore, no RNA survives for more than a few days. Cells produce a > steady stream of RNA. If it was not destroyed by the body, we would turn > into blobs of RNA in a month. > > This is high-school level biology. > >
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Terry Blanton wrote: I tend to agree that the mRNA vaccines are not proven safe and effective > and likely contribute to an increased rate of mutation. > That is physically impossible. RNA never enters the cell nucleus, except with a retrovirus, and this is not a retrovirus. It is a fragment of an ordinary virus. It cannot even reproduce. If viral RNA from a coronavirus could cause mutations or change DNA, the common cold and every other viral infection would do this. No species would survive. The number of spike proteins generated by the vaccine is roughly a million times smaller than the number generated by any coronavirus infection, including the cold. Furthermore, nearly all of the proteins are confined to a small amount of tissue in the arm. So that cannot be a problem. Furthermore, no RNA survives for more than a few days. Cells produce a steady stream of RNA. If it was not destroyed by the body, we would turn into blobs of RNA in a month. This is high-school level biology.
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I tend to agree that the mRNA vaccines are not proven safe and effective and likely contribute to an increased rate of mutation. But I think you have less to worry about with an adenovirus vectored vaccine. We have 50 yrs of experience with the latter. On Wed, Jan 4, 2023, 9:08 PM Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > On 05.01.2023 02:53, Terry Blanton wrote: > > You're kidding, right? > > > Obviously not! > > The Moderna patent/spin-off is a fact the US contribution can be seen in > the Fauci e-mails - sorry all facts. and open since one year at least... > > The virus has been planted several times also once in USA (Oregon) or > Italy (3 places) ahead of Wuhan. The pandemic plot has been trained around > 2017. I have the official white paper written by a famous US think tank. > > But may be its better/more save for most to read NYT, the W-Post or other > crap info sources like UK's BBC, CNN, FAZ, Figaro, NZZ... > > J.W. > On 05.01.2023 02:53, Terry Blanton wrote: > > You're kidding, right? > > -- > Jürg Wyttenbach > Bifangstr. 22 > 8910 Affoltern am Albis > > +41 44 760 14 18 > +41 79 246 36 06 > >
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On 05.01.2023 02:53, Terry Blanton wrote: You're kidding, right? Obviously not! The Moderna patent/spin-off is a fact the US contribution can be seen in the Fauci e-mails - sorry all facts. and open since one year at least... The virus has been planted several times also once in USA (Oregon) or Italy (3 places) ahead of Wuhan. The pandemic plot has been trained around 2017. I have the official white paper written by a famous US think tank. But may be its better/more save for most to read NYT, the W-Post or other crap info sources like UK's BBC, CNN, FAZ, Figaro, NZZ... J.W. On 05.01.2023 02:53, Terry Blanton wrote: You're kidding, right? -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr. 22 8910 Affoltern am Albis +41 44 760 14 18 +41 79 246 36 06
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You're kidding, right? On Wed, Jan 4, 2023, 8:40 PM Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > The western Oligarchs got a free CoV-19 check of about 1000'000'000'000 $ > just by brain damaging population manipulation through all news channels. > > > The US military (free masons) were the driving force behind the military > gain of research (Fort Detrick). The military spin off Moderna submitted > the first CoV-19 spike patent 2016 (hidden by national security) so the > true war here was against the population. > > > The eastern Oligarchs (including most Israel ones that had no Pfizer > shares) did ask for a compensation and it was obvious to hunt the fat goose > right over the boarder > > > The rest has been caused by Vodka and the jet-sex live of Russian generals > that meant nukes are cocks to help force the rape > > > So its all a game. 2 RNA shots and you will die 15% earlier than expected > - in average. So enjoy your live and hope the CoV-19 war is over. > > > > For the Americans among the list- The real US death count from CoV-19 is > just 5% of the official figures. If you analyses the official US mortality > data even this seems to be to high after the first 2020 wave. So stay off > any boosters if you want to enjoy your live and buy some drugs like > Ivermectin to early stop an infection. Prepare yourself with V-D3 > (5000IU/day) +K2 200ug). It's all about sun the easier way to get it. A > Swedish study did show that enough sun prolongates your live by 30% > compared to the cave mans... > > > J.W. > > > On 04.01.2023 17:15, ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > > You are pointing out more reasons why Putin/Russia feel provoked when you > say things like - "Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as > well as the original processing plants going back to the cold war ..." - > Supposedly from his point-of-view -> Ukraine and West were not going to > negiotate with him about such things and so was forced to take action. > > -- Original Message -- From: "Jones Beene" > To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At > 13:48 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year > There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never trusted > Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history - and therefore > never gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no. > They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which would > have been easier to hide. > This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The > Ukrainians are not so stupid as to trust Russia and before Zelenskyy they > were corrupt so another motivation could have been financial gain. At any > rate they would surely have kept enough fissile material to serve as a > deterrent, but also --- some or all of that material may be in private > hands maybe in a neighboring country such as Poland. > Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy. His > bluster is directed at NATO. > Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the original > processing plants going back to the cold war when there were several > "secret cities" scattered around the Donbas which may explain why that area > is the center of attention of the Wagner group ... which has likely been > promised billions of Euros to retrieve the material. > If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the Ukrainians > - they would already have been toast by now. > Terry Blanton wrote: > Regretfully, I agree. > ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > > Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia, > hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was > seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for > Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has > nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than recognised > > -- Original Message -- From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" < > bobcook39...@hotmail.com> To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous > New Year > > I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin > that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still > is working IMHO/ > > I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 > CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY. > > FRC > > - > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows > > *From: *Jones Beene *Sent: *Saturday, December 31, > 2022 5:39 PM *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:2023 --
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
The western Oligarchs got a free CoV-19 check of about 1000'000'000'000
$ just by brain damaging population manipulation through all news channels.
The US military (free masons) were the driving force behind the military
gain of research (Fort Detrick). The military spin off Moderna submitted
the first CoV-19 spike patent 2016 (hidden by national security) so the
true war here was against the population.
The eastern Oligarchs (including most Israel ones that had no Pfizer
shares) did ask for a compensation and it was obvious to hunt the fat
goose right over the boarder
The rest has been caused by Vodka and the jet-sex live of Russian
generals that meant nukes are cocks to help force the rape
So its all a game. 2 RNA shots and you will die 15% earlier than
expected - in average. So enjoy your live and hope the CoV-19 war is over.
For the Americans among the list- The real US death count from CoV-19 is
just 5% of the official figures. If you analyses the official US
mortality data even this seems to be to high after the first 2020 wave.
So stay off any boosters if you want to enjoy your live and buy some
drugs like Ivermectin to early stop an infection. Prepare yourself with
V-D3 (5000IU/day) +K2 200ug). It's all about sun the easier way to get
it. A Swedish study did show that enough sun prolongates your live by
30% compared to the cave mans...
J.W.
On 04.01.2023 17:15, ROGER ANDERTON wrote:
You are pointing out more reasons why Putin/Russia feel provoked when
you say things like - "Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the
USA as well as the original processing plants going back to the cold
war ..." - Supposedly from his point-of-view -> Ukraine and West were
not going to negiotate with him about such things and so was forced to
take action.
-- Original Message -- From: "Jones Beene"
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"
Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 13:48 Subject:
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never
trusted Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history -
and therefore never gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no.
They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which
would have been easier to hide.
This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The
Ukrainians are not so stupid as to trust Russia and before
Zelenskyy they were corrupt so another motivation could have been
financial gain. At any rate they would surely have kept enough
fissile material to serve as a deterrent, but also --- some or all
of that material may be in private hands maybe in a neighboring
country such as Poland.
Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy.
His bluster is directed at NATO.
Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the
original processing plants going back to the cold war when there
were several "secret cities" scattered around the Donbas which may
explain why that area is the center of attention of the Wagner
group ... which has likely been promised billions of Euros to
retrieve the material.
If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the
Ukrainians - they would already have been toast by now.
Terry Blanton wrote:
Regretfully, I agree.
ROGER ANDERTON wrote:
Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements
with Russia, hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access
to nukes - and that was seen as breaking agreements with
Russia hence one of the reasons for Putin's invasion - i.e
deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has nukes then
they broke agreement much earlier than recognised
-- Original Message -- From:
"bobcook39...@hotmail.com" To:
"vortex-l@eskimo.com" Sent:
Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An
ominous New Year
I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia
to remind Putin that they are not the onley onrs with
tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is working IMHO/
I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 %
WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR
THE RUSSIAN NAVY.
FRC
-
Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
*From: *Jones Beene <mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> *Sent:
*Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM *To:
*vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An
ominous New Year
Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago.
We have to remember that Ukraine was just as c
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
You are pointing out more reasons why Putin/Russia feel provoked when you say things like - "Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the original processing plants going back to the cold war ..." - Supposedly from his point-of-view -> Ukraine and West were not going to negiotate with him about such things and so was forced to take action. -- Original Message -- From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 13:48 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never trusted Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history - and therefore never gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no. They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which would have been easier to hide. This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The Ukrainians are not so stupid as to trust Russia and before Zelenskyy they were corrupt so another motivation could have been financial gain. At any rate they would surely have kept enough fissile material to serve as a deterrent, but also --- some or all of that material may be in private hands maybe in a neighboring country such as Poland. Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy. His bluster is directed at NATO. Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the original processing plants going back to the cold war when there were several "secret cities" scattered around the Donbas which may explain why that area is the center of attention of the Wagner group ... which has likely been promised billions of Euros to retrieve the material. If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the Ukrainians - they would already have been toast by now. Terry Blanton wrote: Regretfully, I agree. ROGER ANDERTON wrote: Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia, hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than recognised -- Original Message -- From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com <mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> " mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> > To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> " mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is working IMHO/ I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY. FRC - Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Jones Beene <mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent past. The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not aligned with NATO/USA ?? This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset Terry Blanton wrote: The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... Jones Beene wrote: Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the ear
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never trusted Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history - and therefore never gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no. They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which would have been easier to hide. This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The Ukrainians are not so stupid as to trust Russia and before Zelenskyy they were corrupt so another motivation could have been financial gain. At any rate they would surely have kept enough fissile material to serve as a deterrent, but also --- some or all of that material may be in private hands maybe in a neighboring country such as Poland. Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy. His bluster is directed at NATO. Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the original processing plants going back to the cold war when there were several "secret cities" scattered around the Donbas which may explain why that area is the center of attention of the Wagner group ... which has likely been promised billions of Euros to retrieve the material. If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the Ukrainians - they would already have been toast by now. Terry Blanton wrote: Regretfully, I agree. ROGER ANDERTON wrote: Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia, hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than recognised -- Original Message -- From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is working IMHO/ I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY. FRC - Sent from Mail for Windows From: Jones Beene Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent past. The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not aligned with NATO/USA ?? This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset Terry Blanton wrote: The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... Jones Beene wrote: Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the early 1990s The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes many things... Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i -- Happy New Year !!!
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
Regretfully, I agree. On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 7:41 PM ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia, > hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was > seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for > Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has > nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than recognised > > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" > To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 > Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year > > I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin > that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still > is working IMHO/ > > I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 > CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY. > > FRC > > - > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows > > *From: *Jones Beene > *Sent: *Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM > *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year > > Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. > > We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the > recent past. > > The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in > Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years > ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. > > The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands > of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is > not aligned with NATO/USA ?? > > This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. > I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST > hasn't found them by now, well... > > Jones Beene wrote: > > Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? > > Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over > everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so > long as a nuclear option exists. > > Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one > hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold > War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See > the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost > track of... > > It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to > control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably > have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately > researched back in the early 1990s > > The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world > with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion > assumes many things... > > Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in > hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are > surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may > have already been planted.., maybe even in DC > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 > > If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i > > -- Happy New Year !!! > >
RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
as per MAD if one side breaks the balance of terror to their advantage then the other side has to do a pre-emptive strike. Ukraine getting nukes is too near Russia (and being able to do a nuke strike before Russia can adequately respond) and seen as breaking balance of terror -- Original Message -- From: "ROGER ANDERTON" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:41 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia, hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than recognised -- Original Message -- From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is working IMHO/ I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY. FRC - Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Jones Beene <mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent past. The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not aligned with NATO/USA ?? This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset Terry Blanton wrote: The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... Jones Beene wrote: Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the early 1990s The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes many things... Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854> If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i -- Happy New Year !!!
RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia, hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than recognised -- Original Message -- From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is working IMHO/ I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY. FRC - Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Jones Beene <mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent past. The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not aligned with NATO/USA ?? This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset Terry Blanton wrote: The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... Jones Beene wrote: Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the early 1990s The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes many things... Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854> If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i -- Happy New Year !!!
RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is working IMHO/ I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY. FRC - Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent past. The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not aligned with NATO/USA ?? This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset Terry Blanton wrote: The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... Jones Beene wrote: Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the early 1990s The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes many things... Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i -- Happy New Year !!!
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
another great one is - orme https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/ORMUS and the old favorite - snake oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil -- Original Message -- From: "Terry Blanton" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 1 Jan, 23 At 17:47 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 6:25 AM ROGER ANDERTON mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > wrote: You mean mercury sulfide? Supposedly exaggerated unfounded claims are made about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mercury <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mercury>
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 6:25 AM ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > You mean mercury sulfide? Supposedly exaggerated unfounded claims are made > about it > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mercury
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
You mean mercury sulfide? Supposedly exaggerated unfounded claims are made about it Anyway, in case of Ukraine war - West has its narrative and Putin has his. West says Putin is lying but offers no proof. So just the uaually thing in war - all war propaganda and whats really going on - "they" are not telling us -- Original Message -- From: "Terry Blanton" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 1 Jan, 23 At 03:52 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Right and they utilize Red Mercury. On Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 9:06 PM ROGER ANDERTON mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > wrote: maybe Zelensky is using it to blackmail West to support him? -- Original Message -- From: "Jones Beene" mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> > To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> " mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Sunday, 1 Jan, 23 At 01:39 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent past. The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not aligned with NATO/USA ?? This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset Terry Blanton wrote: The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... Jones Beene wrote: Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the early 1990s The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes many things... Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854> If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i -- Happy New Year !!!
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
Right and they utilize Red Mercury. On Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 9:06 PM ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > maybe Zelensky is using it to blackmail West to support him? > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jones Beene" > To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" > Sent: Sunday, 1 Jan, 23 At 01:39 > Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year > > Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. > > We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the > recent past. > > The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in > Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years > ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. > > The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands > of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is > not aligned with NATO/USA ?? > > This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset > > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > > The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. > I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST > hasn't found them by now, well... > > Jones Beene wrote: > > Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? > > Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over > everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so > long as a nuclear option exists. > > Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one > hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold > War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See > the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost > track of... > > It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to > control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably > have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately > researched back in the early 1990s > > The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world > with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion > assumes many things... > > Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in > hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are > surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may > have already been planted.., maybe even in DC > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 > > If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i > -- Happy New Year !!! > >
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
maybe Zelensky is using it to blackmail West to support him? -- Original Message -- From: "Jones Beene" To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" Sent: Sunday, 1 Jan, 23 At 01:39 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent past. The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not aligned with NATO/USA ?? This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset Terry Blanton wrote: The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... Jones Beene wrote: Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the early 1990s The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes many things... Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854> If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i -- Happy New Year !!!
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago. We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent past. The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine. The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not aligned with NATO/USA ?? This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset Terry Blanton wrote: The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... Jones Beene wrote: Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the early 1990s The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes many things... Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i -- Happy New Year !!!
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't found them by now, well... On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 5:26 PM Jones Beene wrote: > Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? > > Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over > everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so > long as a nuclear option exists. > > Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one > hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold > War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See > the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost > track of... > > It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to > control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably > have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately > researched back in the early 1990s > > The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world > with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion > assumes many things... > > Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in > hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are > surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may > have already been planted.., maybe even in DC > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 > > If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i > -- Happy New Year !!! > >
[Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ? Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear option exists. Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of... It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back in the early 1990s The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes many things... Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854 If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i -- Happy New Year !!!
