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[Vo]:Testing
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[Vo]:testing the power of diversity in LENR
Dear Friends, Yuri Bazhutov more about his Plasma Electrolysis, thinking about what will be ICCF-19, reading many papers, Bill Gates invests time in LENR (which LENR?) AXIL building the New Paradigm, inspiration and motivation from Tanmay Vora Wish you good lecture and let's speak about LENR, but even better about LENR+ Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:14 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Or just ride your bike... http://koin.com/2014/09/05/electric-bike-battery-may-have-caused-bend-house-fire/ I have been studying the 18650, the cell which powers the Tesla. Proper charging of the cell is a far cry from slapping the old trickle charger on the '64 Chev Impala. There are three stages in the charge cycle: http://www.electronicproducts.com/Power_Products/Challenges_in_Li-ion_charging.aspx For your multi-cell laptop battery, there is a 4th stage between the CC and CV stages called cell equalization. Due to variations in the internal resistance of each cell, cells in series will not charge evenly. Your 11.1 V (nom) laptop battery can separately charge each 3.7 V parallel stage. The fully charged laptop will actually read about 4.2 V per cell. It is considered fully discharged at about 2.8 V. Optimum life is achieved by always charging between 25 and 50% discharge. This kid has a series of videos where he builds his homemade electric bike. This is in the middle of the series where he gets into the 18650: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-VLdE6RxYQ Tesla Motors and Panasonic are building a plant to produce 35,000,000 18650s by 2018 to the tune of $5,000,000,000 capital cost.
RE: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
Ok, after escalating from random-questions-embedded-in-a-long-posting to open-conjecture-with-direct-questions and getting nowhere, I went with the shakily-supported-but-loudly-declared-claim-of-fact route so popular on the internet, and that elicited a couple of responses from kind and knowledgeable researchers (Merci!). Although I did not resolve all of the questions which formed the basis of my conjecture about a potential signal hidden within the noise of the peak-69 artifacts, I am able to infer and presume the following: 1) Although not directly specified, the sputter-cleaning ion source was most likely also isotopically-pure Ga-69. This and many other models of ToF-SIMS analyzers are apparently capable of performing sputter-cleaning and SIMS-scanning with a variety of ion sources, using either the same or different sources, notably including cesium, argon, oxygen, and gold. In this case, given only a single ion source specified, common practice implies that they are both performed with Ga69. 2) The high variability of residual Ga69 in different post-sputtering sample spectra (particularly figure 11b) is apparently within the normal variance range for different sample substances. So, if there is something interesting to be found regarding a mass-69 species, it will need to be discovered using an analytic method that does not employ Ga-69 such as this one does. I hope that other analytic results will be published soon! Unless and until then, I'll just presume this to be artifact. -Bob From: Robert Ellefson Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:29 PM Subject: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor Given the results of the SIMS analysis from the Lugano report, particularly as detailed in this posting: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg98596.html I believe that it is possible to evaluate the nuclear activity of candidate fuel samples simply by sputter-cleaning them as part of a ToF-SIMS analysis. If researchers with access to such analytic equipment were willing to run the experiment, I believe that a successful replication of Rossi's reaction can be observed occurring with before-and-after spectra of the fuel. So, skip the reactors, start evaluating powders in the SEM itself!
[Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
Given the results of the SIMS analysis from the Lugano report, particularly as detailed in this posting: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg98596.html I believe that it is possible to evaluate the nuclear activity of candidate fuel samples simply by sputter-cleaning them as part of a ToF-SIMS analysis. If researchers with access to such analytic equipment were willing to run the experiment, I believe that a successful replication of Rossi's reaction can be observed occurring with before-and-after spectra of the fuel. So, skip the reactors, start evaluating powders in the SEM itself! I sure hope this helps, -Bob Ellefson
RE: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
Bob, Just so you know, your insight is not being ignored - although you may reasonably suspect it is, since there are few comments. Lots of people are trying to come to grips with this data, as preposterous as it may seem at first glance. But the main problem remains: these are very energetic reactions with extreme Coulomb barriers. Obviously, if Ni-62 is the key to the Rossi effect - which is what his patent would suggest, and it fused with Li7, then there is a putative case for gallium-69. Beyond that, there is no support for anything close to this in the literature. -Original Message- From: Robert Ellefson Given the results of the SIMS analysis from the Lugano report, particularly as detailed in this posting: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg98596.html I believe that it is possible to evaluate the nuclear activity of candidate fuel samples simply by sputter-cleaning them as part of a ToF-SIMS analysis. If researchers with access to such analytic equipment were willing to run the experiment, I believe that a successful replication of Rossi's reaction can be observed occurring with before-and-after spectra of the fuel. So, skip the reactors, start evaluating powders in the SEM itself! I sure hope this helps, -Bob Ellefson
RE: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Look for 69Ga in the debris field of the next Boeing Dreamliner crash. Krivit is on the case http://news.newenergytimes.net/2013/01/17/are-nuclear-reactions-causing-boei ng-dreamliner-battery-fires/ but he would face a huge problem if this turned out to be the Rossi effect :) Bob, Just so you know, your insight is not being ignored - although you may reasonably suspect it is, since there are few comments. Lots of people are trying to come to grips with this data, as preposterous as it may seem at first glance. But the main problem remains: these are very energetic reactions with extreme Coulomb barriers. Obviously, if Ni-62 is the key to the Rossi effect - which is what his patent would suggest, and it fused with Li7, then there is a putative case for gallium-69. Beyond that, there is no support for anything close to this in the literature. -Original Message- From: Robert Ellefson Given the results of the SIMS analysis from the Lugano report, particularly as detailed in this posting: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg98596.html I believe that it is possible to evaluate the nuclear activity of candidate fuel samples simply by sputter-cleaning them as part of a ToF-SIMS analysis. If researchers with access to such analytic equipment were willing to run the experiment, I believe that a successful replication of Rossi's reaction can be observed occurring with before-and-after spectra of the fuel. So, skip the reactors, start evaluating powders in the SEM itself! I sure hope this helps, -Bob Ellefson
Re: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Or just ride the bus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11158277/CCTV-mobile-phone-battery-explodes-in-womans-hands-on-bus.html
Re: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
Or just ride your bike... http://koin.com/2014/09/05/electric-bike-battery-may-have-caused-bend-house-fire/ On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net javascript:; wrote: BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Or just ride the bus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11158277/CCTV-mobile-phone-battery-explodes-in-womans-hands-on-bus.html
RE: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jones Beene wrote: BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Or just ride the bus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11158277/CCTV-mobile-phone-battery-explodes-in-womans-hands-on-bus.html how galling ! One wonders - given the cost of the Dreamliner, if Boeing will not be far behind on catching onto this. They can easily put $100 mill into the task. The gall of them... Gall n. bold, impudent behavior. synonyms: effrontery, impudence, impertinence, cheek, cheekiness, insolence, audacity, temerity, presumption, cockiness, nerve, shamelessness, disrespect, bad manners; Hmm... I represent that remark...
Re: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
In general, I think it is not a good idea to fly plastic fuselage airplanes with lithium batteries @ 42,000 feet up near the ionosphere... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jones Beene wrote: BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Or just ride the bus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11158277/CCTV-mobile-phone-battery-explodes-in-womans-hands-on-bus.html how galling ! One wonders - given the cost of the Dreamliner, if Boeing will not be far behind on catching onto this. They can easily put $100 mill into the task. The gall of them... Gall n. bold, impudent behavior. synonyms: effrontery, impudence, impertinence, cheek, cheekiness, insolence, audacity, temerity, presumption, cockiness, nerve, shamelessness, disrespect, bad manners; Hmm... I represent that remark...
RE: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
How long will it be before the dreaded Ni-62 bombe (best Inspector Clouseau accent) From: ChemE Stewart In general, I think it is not a good idea to fly plastic fuselage airplanes with lithium batteries @ 42,000 feet up near the ionosphere... From: Terry Blanton Jones Beene wrote: BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Or just ride the bus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11158277/CCTV-mobile-phone-battery-explodes-in-womans-hands-on-bus.html how galling ! One wonders - given the cost of the Dreamliner, if Boeing will not be far behind on catching onto this. They can easily put $100 mill into the task. The gall of them... Gall n. bold, impudent behavior. synonyms: effrontery, impudence, impertinence, cheek, cheekiness, insolence, audacity, temerity, presumption, cockiness, nerve, shamelessness, disrespect, bad manners; Hmm... I represent that remark...
Re: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
Are you implying exploding pennies? On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: How long will it be before the dreaded Ni-62 bombe (best Inspector Clouseau accent) *From:* ChemE Stewart In general, I think it is not a good idea to fly plastic fuselage airplanes with lithium batteries @ 42,000 feet up near the ionosphere... From: Terry Blanton Jones Beene wrote: BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Or just ride the bus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11158277/CCTV-mobile-phone-battery-explodes-in-womans-hands-on-bus.html how galling ! One wonders - given the cost of the Dreamliner, if Boeing will not be far behind on catching onto this. They can easily put $100 mill into the task. The gall of them... Gall n. bold, impudent behavior. synonyms: effrontery, impudence, impertinence, cheek, cheekiness, insolence, audacity, temerity, presumption, cockiness, nerve, shamelessness, disrespect, bad manners; Hmm... I represent that remark...
RE: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
Nah… that’s Randy’s gig. Say, in case it hasn’t dawned on ya’ … using up most of your Li-7 with nickel – which makes the ratio decrease compared Li-6 … this makes it look like you have converted Li-7 to Li-6 which is not the case. It still costs a helluva a lot to make power this way. From: ChemE Stewart Are you implying exploding pennies? Jones Beene wrote: How long will it be before the dreaded Ni-62 bombe (best Inspector Clouseau accent) From: ChemE Stewart In general, I think it is not a good idea to fly plastic fuselage airplanes with lithium batteries @ 42,000 feet up near the ionosphere... From: Terry Blanton Jones Beene wrote: BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Or just ride the bus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11158277/CCTV-mobile-phone-battery-exp lodes-in-womans-hands-on-bus.html how galling ! One wonders - given the cost of the Dreamliner, if Boeing will not be far behind on catching onto this. They can easily put $100 mill into the task. The gall of them... Gall n. bold, impudent behavior. synonyms: effrontery, impudence, impertinence, cheek, cheekiness, insolence, audacity, temerity, presumption, cockiness, nerve, shamelessness, disrespect, bad manners; Hmm... I represent that remark... attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor
When the latest TPT is analyzed in the light of what happens in the context of an E-Cat reactor melt down, things start to make sense. Let us remember what the E-Cat meltdown is all about as follows: James Bowery December 28th, 2013 at 7:54 PM Dr. Rossi, When you say that reactors “explode” when out of control, do you mean they actually produce a loud noise? Or do they merely destructively over-heat? (As apparently happened to a HotCat in this photograph during the prior validation test:) [image: Image] --- Andrea Rossi December 28th, 2013 at 8:32 PM James Bowery: Very sorry, I cannot answer to this question exhaustively, but I can say something. Obviously, the experiments are made with total respect of the safety of my team and myself. During the destructive tests we arrived to reach temperatures in the range of 2,000 Celsius degrees, when the “mouse” excited too much the E-Cat, and it is gone out of control, in the sense that we have not been able to stop the raise of the temperature ( we arrived on purpose to that level, because we wanted to study this kind of situation). A nuclear Physicist, analysing the registration of the data, has calculated that the increase of temperature (from 1,000 Celsius to 2,000 Celsius in about 10 seconds), considering the surface that has increased of such temperature, has implied a power of 1 MW, while the Mouse had a mean power of 1.3 kW. Look at the photo you have given the link of, and imagine that the cylinder was cherry red, then in 10 seconds all the cylinder became white-blue, starting from the white dot you see in the photo ( after 1 second) becoming totally white-blue in the following 9 seconds, and then an explosion and the ceramic inside ( which is a ceramic that melts at 2,000 Celsius) turned into a red, brilliant stone, like a ruby. When we opened the reactor, part of the AISI 310 ss steel was not molten, but sublimated and recondensed in form of microscopic drops of steel. Warm Regards, A.R. Sometimes it good to step back and look at the big picture. That picture includes a endpoint of that energy band. There comes a point at the end of the energy band of the Rossi reaction when the nickel particles do not function anymore in the reaction. The nickel particles become irrelevant. These nickel particles vaporize and other facets of the reaction gain prominence and take over. Even the alumina begins to vaporize. What nickel isotopes are produced is not even relevant at that juncture. The reaction becomes much more exotic than that. In the Hot-cat, Rossi has adjusted the LENR reaction to function in a controllable band of it energy potential. Even in this relatively quiescent state, no gamma radiation is produced. And even in the violent and energetic meltdown state, still no gamma radiation or radioactive isotopes are produced. The very fact that the meltdown stage is so energetic proves that nuclear energy is being taped in ever increasing amounts to vaporize the reactor structure. The answer to the LENR riddle will not be found in what isotopes are being produced, the ultimate basic of the reaction is more wondrous than you can imagine now. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Nah… that’s Randy’s gig. Say, in case it hasn’t dawned on ya’ … using up most of your Li-7 with nickel – which makes the ratio decrease compared Li-6 … this makes it look like you have converted Li-7 to Li-6 which is not the case. It still costs a helluva a lot to make power this way. From: ChemE Stewart Are you implying exploding pennies? Jones Beene wrote: How long will it be before the dreaded Ni-62 bombe (best Inspector Clouseau accent) From: ChemE Stewart In general, I think it is not a good idea to fly plastic fuselage airplanes with lithium batteries @ 42,000 feet up near the ionosphere... From: Terry Blanton Jones Beene wrote: BTW Bob - you suggested a simple way to look for the Ni+Li reaction. There is a simpler way yet... get hold of some those exploding lithium batteries... you know ... the one's with nickel electrodes. Or just ride the bus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11158277/CCTV-mobile-phone-battery-exp lodes-in-womans-hands-on-bus.html how galling ! One wonders - given the cost of the Dreamliner, if Boeing will not be far behind on catching onto this. They can easily put $100 mill into the task. The gall of them... Gall n. bold, impudent behavior. synonyms: effrontery, impudence, impertinence, cheek, cheekiness, insolence,
[Vo]:Testing pyramid power!
Raving loonie True Believer stuff! Daiso, the Japanese dollar-store, has replacement blades for hair cutter. They're double-edged razor blades! Ten for a buck. Finally I can build an ultra-black beam-dump. Thick stacks of double-edge razor blades are used as high-power beam dumps in research. The optical wattage goes in, but it don't come back out. Why Pyramid power? RAZOR BLADES duh. In theory we can easily test edge-sharpness by measuring optical return from the hyper-blackness effect created by a screw-clamped stack of razor blades. No need to actually shave, since any contact with a hard object tends to ruin the blackness of the http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/blade.htm beam dump. Then, can any anomalous process restore the damage? Exposure to moonlight while aligning them to magnetic north? Placing inside a cardboard cube while thinking Geller-spoonbending thoughts? Slowly rotate your cardboard Cheops, and plot the sharpening effect vs magnetic north alignment. If this works as a receiver, we can try sending (perhaps very slow) Morse Code in the form of Spoonbending Radiation to trigger the metal-memory healing of the damaged-bladestack receiver. Maybe even detect cosmic signals from remote alien civilizations which have no need of cartridges for Schick Disposable with octo-blade shaving system. (yes, disposables are up to seven blades currently.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Testing the Popper
IMHO Russ can go happily without getting in the labview mud. There is very serious stuff for free and free for use and modify. Some popular hits: http://www.scilab.org/ http://www.scicos.org/ https://www.modelica.org/ http://www.scipy.org/ http://pandas.pydata.org/ http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/ http://yorick.sourceforge.net/index.php http://rlabplus.sourceforge.net/ http://www.r-project.org/ mic 2012/10/22 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Russ Gries is a self-funded open source Edison type experimenter who gets his equipment from donations or the dumpster. Being an open sourse experimenter, Russ cannot get money from an investor to fund his research. He is about to begin a data generation stage of his review of the Papp reaction. I am not an experimentalist but I have developed both test and acceptance plans so I know enough to have an opinion. I have posted this suggestion to him on how to do this type of testing as follows: When we make an experimental change to the popper test configuration, we need feedback data to see if we are going in the right or wrong direction. Before we come up with a test plan, we need to define what that instrumentation of the popper is comprised of. The main piece of data that would be nice to have is a record of the power and energy that the piston produces. This data should be collected automatically by using a data acquisition pressure sensor which is read automatically by a computer and profiled to a spreadsheet. The spreadsheet can then be used to form data plots and correlations of the piston force as the experimental variable is changed. As an example, by increasing the gas pressure in the cylinder, by N minibars, how does the force of the piston increase/decrease? This data should come out as a family of plots using the cylinder gas pressure as an independent variable. Another data stream that should be provided is the strength and energy content of the feedback current. Another independent experimental variable could be the gas or gases used and their mix by percentage. A automatically generated family of data plots produced by computer should reflect the magnitude and timing of the voltage(V), and current(I) of the feedback current that is generated as the independent experimental variable is increased/decreased(i.e., cylinder pressure). All plots should include the input power of the spark and the energy gain as reflected in the sum of the mechanical power produced by the piston and the electrical power/energy that is derived by the feedback current. This is an important requirement to prove that the Popper is an over unity device, that is, the Popper generates more energy output than the input energy warrants. There are usually computer literate programmers on his forum willing to donate their expertise and experience to automate the drudgery of experimentation. Dr. James Truchard President, CEO, and Cofounder of National Instruments is excited about LENR. If he is approached properly, He may be persuaded to provide Russ with a copy of Labview and associated test equipment to support Russ’s testing. See 15:10 into this video for Truchard's offer of free LabView for LENR. However, you should watch the entire video to get a feel for automated experimentation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=NxjxFdFEBsw#! My question to the vortex fellowship is as follows: Does anyone here know of how to get a complimentary copy of LabView from National Instruments in pursuit of LENR experimentation? Is anyone here have any interest in interceding with Dr. James Truchard with the intent to help Russ Gries in his experimentation? Your opinions regarding how to test the Popper or other advice to explore the Papp reaction are also welcomed. Cheers:axil
[Vo]:Testing widom-larsen theory with gamma ...
Hi, reading about widom-larsen theory, like probably many reader I get the idea to test the theory by observing gamma screening. the idea is to launch a LENR reaction big enough, so that the active sites are numerous. the you use a gamma source, and observe if the gamma a reduced by the active sites. is that have been done ? I imaging the effect should be thin, since the active zone are very small. maybe one should observe the diffraction of a small beam, if not of gamma, at least of hard Xray (if widom-larsen screening is still true) is there any paper on this hypothetic experience, or even results? is widom-larsen the only theory that propose similar screening, or is it a key predictive event? TIA
Re: [Vo]:Testing widom-larsen theory with gamma ...
At 02:45 PM 2/6/2012, Alain Sepeda wrote: is widom-larsen the only theory that propose similar screening, or is it a key predictive event? I haven't seen another LENR theory that explains it. WL do have a patent (US 7,893,414 B2 : Feb 2011) on the heavy-electron gamma screening: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/WL/docs/US7893414B2.pdf so if the eCat relies on that, there might be yet another patent battle.
Re: [Vo]:Testing widom-larsen theory with gamma ...
At 02:45 PM 2/6/2012, Alain Sepeda wrote: is there any paper on this hypothetic experience, or even results? Here's a (non-LENR) paper that discusses nonlinear compton scattering off heavy electrons: http://www.imath.kiev.ua/~sigma/2010/041/sigma10-041.pdf see 4.5 Nonlinear Compton scattering
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
Axil, I have had same suspicion due to her arrival relative to timeline. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:22 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms Mary, you do not have the current Rossi inter-personal and political dynamics down correctly or even worse maybe you do. As I see things, Rossi never wanted to reveal the details of his work, but Levi through an appeal to friendship forced Rossi to be more open to revealing information. His need to attract customers also forced some minimal level of revelation. But Rossi always wanted to keep this info flow to a minimum. E-Cat evaluation at the University of Bologna was Levi's idea because as an academic, Levi's status in academia requires a degree of verification, openness, publication, and information flow to peers. Now that Rossi is partnered with the US military, The UofP research effort is not needed. Rossi will get all the RD he would ever want or need from the DOD and it will be kept secret with no possible information leakage. This is the best of all worlds for Rossi. Along with this RD effort, the DOD will mount an intelligence campaign of duplicity and disinformation to hide their interest in LENR development work much in the same way that the UFO disinformation campaign was used to covertly hide Stealth aircraft development at Area 51 from the Soviet Union. Consistent with this scenario as informed by their past actions, I believe it is highly probable that the DOD will assign field and/or senior level intelligence officers to spread disinformation on various information outlets including web sites that deal with LENR to cover their real defense related efforts on the E-Cat. With Vortex as the premier LENR web information site, this is why I think you are actually an air force major with the appropriate background assigned here to hound this web site, to spread disinformation about the E-Cat, and to cover Rossi's work for the DOD. In the same way you demand of Rossi, to establish your good faith bona fide please provide unsalable and definitive proof to the Vortex community that you are not some DOD shill assigned by the DOD to put the Vortex community off the scent, discourage the development and promulgation of the real story of the E-Cat, Rossi and Defkalion, together with ridiculing and undermining possible replication of the E-Cat. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.commailto:maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.commailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.commailto:maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile, Defkalion promises independent testing. When? Oh... soon! They do not promise it. They hope to have it. They are a privately held business. They do not owe the public anything. They do not need to make any promises or commitments to the public, but only to customers, stockholders and regulators. The same is true of Rossi. You seem to have difficulty understanding this concept. What concept is that, exactly? That someone can continue to make huge claims, present no or insufficient evidence for an entire year and then expect some sort of credibility or respect? Is that your thesis? Rossi and Defkalion would owe nothing to anybody if they had kept their mouths shut, except to their investors, about their claims. Once someone makes claims which have huge public impact, you bet they owe something. They owe proof.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Axil, I have had same suspicion due to her arrival relative to timeline. She's been skepticizing for several years now. I first saw her on the Steorn forum. I told her how to join Vortex; so, I guess I have to share some of the guilt for her postings. T
Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
T, Ok - fair enough explanation for her ETA, I don't really have issue with her skepticism relative to Rossi - there is plenty of reason for that. I am waiting instead on an impact from these recent reports of transmuted elements and reports of inverted temp coefficients of Ni - Cu alloys. I think these discoveries will finally allow theory to catch up with claims. If the negative TC can be used as feedback then this anomaly will soon be understood. I saw Jones thread last spring regarding Romanowski alloys but missed the significance - I see it now. Fran -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Axil, I have had same suspicion due to her arrival relative to timeline. She's been skepticizing for several years now. I first saw her on the Steorn forum. I told her how to join Vortex; so, I guess I have to share some of the guilt for her postings. T
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
I have to say, take a look at: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=483page=1#Item_0 The username maryyugo was banned from Steorn before December 2009. Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times; Quite loudly. Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:18:28 -0500 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Axil, I have had same suspicion due to her arrival relative to timeline. She's been skepticizing for several years now. I first saw her on the Steorn forum. I told her how to join Vortex; so, I guess I have to share some of the guilt for her postings. T
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: I have to say, take a look at: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=483page=1#Item_0 The username maryyugo was banned from Steorn before December 2009. Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times; Quite loudly. Sorry? For what? I invited MY for the pure entertainment value. When I was young, I enjoyed stirring ants' nests also. (I mostly enjoyed those ants who only occasionally exited their holes only to encounter immediate immolation from my grandfather's reading glass focusing the sun. I have since found the Buddha's teachings and no longer engage in such.) T
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I was just showing that, after a short Google search, it is quite evident that the maryyugo persona is not, and I quote: DOD shill assigned by the DOD to put the Vortex community off the scent, discourage the development and promulgation of the real story of the E-Cat, Rossi and Defkalion, together with ridiculing and undermining possible replication of the E-Cat It may seem self-evident to most that the assertion is silly, but, you never really know what people will believe. My statement that, Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times.. was merely to state that maryyugo's presence is not evidence of a DOD coverup, no matter how much some people may want there to be one. Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:30:17 -0500 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: I have to say, take a look at: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=483page=1#Item_0 The username maryyugo was banned from Steorn before December 2009. Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times; Quite loudly. Sorry? For what? I invited MY for the pure entertainment value. When I was young, I enjoyed stirring ants' nests also. (I mostly enjoyed those ants who only occasionally exited their holes only to encounter immediate immolation from my grandfather's reading glass focusing the sun. I have since found the Buddha's teachings and no longer engage in such.) T
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: My statement that, Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times.. was merely to state that maryyugo's presence is not evidence of a DOD coverup, no matter how much some people may want there to be one. Ah, you were really talking to Francis. I know she's no G-shill. Got it. Thanks! T
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BTW, MY should be awake and online soon. It will be interesting to see what she has to say. T
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One of the more extravagant and incredible (on any basis) claims made by Rossi on his blog is that he is tooling up to manufacture a million E-cats during calendar year 2012. Comments on the moletrap forum noted that: A million ECats. National Instruments stock must be going up, then. I'd like to know who is supplying his valves and other stuff like that there. An order for a million of anything will make a major contribution to the bottom line of most any company. Unless it's anchovies. One million of the 5kW e-cats is only $5 billion dollars of sales. Assuming a 75% GPM, he only has to come up with $1.25 billion in capital to finance that. Maybe he got more for his house than I thought. Oh, but of course, that's what he needs investors for: production capital. Maybe I lack imagination, but I am having trouble imagining anyone anywhere manufacturing one million of anything without significant and highly visible infrastructure. Who is going to do all this and where? If it is five guys in a garage in Bologna, they had better get cracking. They need to build 2 ecats every minute around the clock to meet their goal. That could seriously cut in on blogging time. Someone compared the construction of an E-cat or Hyperion to that of a Toyota automobile and examined the statistics associated with that sort of endeavor: In 2002, Toyota began scouting locations in Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas for a new assembly plant to build the second generation Tundra pickup.[1] After long deliberations including the offer of $227 million in subsidies, a 2,000-acre (8.1 km2) site in San Antonio was selected as the location for the new 2,000,000-square-foot (190,000 m2) assembly plant.[2][3] Toyota broke ground at the new plant site on 17 October 2003.[4] During construction, the project evolved from a simple assembly plant into an automotive production site including several on-site suppliers which shipped directly to the factory. In addition, Toyota announced that production capacity, originally planned for 150,000 units per year, would be expanded to 200,000 units. This increase brought Toyota's investment in the plant to $1.2 Billion. Following four years of construction, the first new Tundra pickups rolled off the line in November 2006 during a grand-openeing celebration which drew executives, employees and dealers of Toyota from around the country. http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2212page=693#Item_6 I am amazed that anyone takes Rossi's claim seriously that he will produce a million units and sell them for under $1500 in 2012.
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He didn't give a date for 1 million e-cats :) He just says he is working towards that! 2012/1/6 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com One of the more extravagant and incredible (on any basis) claims made by Rossi on his blog is that he is tooling up to manufacture a million E-cats during calendar year 2012. Comments on the moletrap forum noted that: A million ECats. National Instruments stock must be going up, then. I'd like to know who is supplying his valves and other stuff like that there. An order for a million of anything will make a major contribution to the bottom line of most any company. Unless it's anchovies. One million of the 5kW e-cats is only $5 billion dollars of sales. Assuming a 75% GPM, he only has to come up with $1.25 billion in capital to finance that. Maybe he got more for his house than I thought. Oh, but of course, that's what he needs investors for: production capital. Maybe I lack imagination, but I am having trouble imagining anyone anywhere manufacturing one million of anything without significant and highly visible infrastructure. Who is going to do all this and where? If it is five guys in a garage in Bologna, they had better get cracking. They need to build 2 ecats every minute around the clock to meet their goal. That could seriously cut in on blogging time. Someone compared the construction of an E-cat or Hyperion to that of a Toyota automobile and examined the statistics associated with that sort of endeavor: In 2002, Toyota began scouting locations in Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas for a new assembly plant to build the second generation Tundra pickup.[1] After long deliberations including the offer of $227 million in subsidies, a 2,000-acre (8.1 km2) site in San Antonio was selected as the location for the new 2,000,000-square-foot (190,000 m2) assembly plant.[2][3] Toyota broke ground at the new plant site on 17 October 2003.[4] During construction, the project evolved from a simple assembly plant into an automotive production site including several on-site suppliers which shipped directly to the factory. In addition, Toyota announced that production capacity, originally planned for 150,000 units per year, would be expanded to 200,000 units. This increase brought Toyota's investment in the plant to $1.2 Billion. Following four years of construction, the first new Tundra pickups rolled off the line in November 2006 during a grand-openeing celebration which drew executives, employees and dealers of Toyota from around the country. http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2212page=693#Item_6 I am amazed that anyone takes Rossi's claim seriously that he will produce a million units and sell them for under $1500 in 2012. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Terry sez: BTW, MY should be awake and online soon. It will be interesting to see what she has to say. My only contact with MY these days is through indirect exposure. There has been a lot of that lately. Robert's Google search was informative. It ought to put to rest imaginative scenarios concerning the MY persona. My own impression of MY's posting activity is one that I suspect most here have already come to: she is in it primarily for the unique kind of exposure and notoriety it gives her out on the Internet. It's just one of the activities some of us do to prove to ourselves that we actually amount to something in a universe we unconsciously fear would just assume ignore our existence. To constantly express post disagreeable opinions is a way to point to the self and say See, I DO exist... and I'm unique! It's a way to be noticed. Alas, there are obvious problems with such behavior if taken to an extreme. For example, becoming banned could be perceived as a badge of honor - a kind of consolation prize. (However, least I sound too uppety,I guess I could say that me resigning from Krivits' NET BoD was in a sense being banned as well... so go figger!) But let me get back to my spiel. If in subsequent years Rossi eCats actually DO start rolling off the shelves of stores like Home Depot I suspect MY will soon start searching around for another group (preferably linked to a controversial subject) so that she can continue to prove to an indifferent world that she actually does exist. I suspect grasshopper MY will probably not take the following advice in an agreeable fashion: Zen masters realize self doesn't exist, so stop constantly trying to prove to an indifferent universe that it does. It is a futile gesture that ultimately fails. I suspect a number of Zen masters would simply shrug their shoulders and say there are far more enjoyable things to do with consciousness as compared to constantly wearing a chip self's shoulder. Regards Swami OrionWorks
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On 2012-01-05 18:38, Robert Leguillon wrote: It seems that Rossi may have reaped the benefits associated with promises of independent university testing, but that delivery of this may never occur. Sterling D. Allan of PESN will conduct a live interview with him on January 14th with user submitted questions: http://pesn.com/2012/01/05/9602002_Anniversary_Interview_with_Rossi_Slated_for_January_14_3pm_MST/ Maybe we can press him to clarify Rossi's relationship with the University of Bologna as the deadline looms? Cheers, S.A.
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:16 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: If in subsequent years Rossi eCats actually DO start rolling off the shelves of stores like Home Depot I suspect MY will soon start searching around for another group (preferably linked to a controversial subject) so that she can continue to prove to an indifferent world that she actually does exist. Long before Rossi devices appear on store shelves, some SINGLE proper and definitive independent test will have to be done and some ONE customer will have to admit buying and testing a Rossi reactor and will show it being properly tested in public. Despite continuous claims that they will do so, neither has done it. Rossi and Defkalion projections of huge numbers of sales to the public, including American customers, in calendar year 2012 are absurd.
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012-01-05 18:38, Robert Leguillon wrote: It seems that Rossi may have reaped the benefits associated with promises of independent university testing, but that delivery of this may never occur. Sterling D. Allan of PESN will conduct a live interview with him on January 14th with user submitted questions: http://pesn.com/2012/01/05/**9602002_Anniversary_Interview_** with_Rossi_Slated_for_January_**14_3pm_MST/http://pesn.com/2012/01/05/9602002_Anniversary_Interview_with_Rossi_Slated_for_January_14_3pm_MST/ I suggest they start by asking him why he and Focardi are freezing their buns off in a room in which a running fusion reactor is present, supposedly making 10 to 15 kW of thermal energy. See the classical black and white photo with Levi's byline dated December 15,2010 (current location on Sterling's site is http://pesn.com/2012/01/05/9602002_Anniversary_Interview_with_Rossi_Slated_for_January_14_3pm_MST/index.1.gif) . Maybe we can press him to clarify Rossi's relationship with the University of Bologna as the deadline looms? Nah-- it's a waste of time. We already know his answer. He will say his new customer has solved the issues he wanted U of Bologna to investigate and he doesn't need them any more. Asked about verification tests by U of B to reassure the public, he will simply say to wait for marketing to proceed. He has a tangential or evasive answer for everything as evidenced by reading his blog. This upcoming interview is as likely to be lacking in useful content as most of the previous ones. Rossi has glib and uninformative answers to practically every relevant question. Guess what that suggests.
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Rossi seems to have trouble even keeping track of what he writes on his own blog. Here, the device has an output of 5 kW net: 1. Andrea Rossi January 6th, 2012 at 12:10 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=10#comment-165106 Mr ” Tom Jones”: Since you used (a little bit cowardly) a fake name to make your comment, I can say without fear to damage you: what a stupid comment! Of course the E-Cat is a water heater, all the persons who have pre-ordered it and who will buy it know perfectly that it is what we always said it is: a water heater. With a difference between a normal water heater and the E-Cat: the normal water heaters use gas or oil or electricity in a measure bigger than the thermal energy produced heating the water, while the E-Cat makes 6 kWh consuming 1 kWh. Good Bye, “Tom Jones”. A.R. Here, it's 10 kW: 1. Andrea Rossi January 6th, 2012 at 11:42 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=41#comment-165083 Dear K. Dobrolecki: We must make a distinction between the price of the industrial plants and the price of the domestic plants. For the industrial plants ( the 1 MW plants) the price from 2012 will be around 1,500.00 US$/kW, moreless 10%. The domestic E-Cats of 10 kW will be manufactured with a different technology and with a very good economy scale, due to the fact that we have started the production of 1 million pieces; such scale, obviously, will reduce by an order of magnitude the costs. If all goes as I hope and as I am working for, the 10 kW E-Cats will cost between 100 and 150 US$/kW. This fact will: 1- allow to everybody to buy an E-Cat 2- cancel the competition The reverse engineering will be, I think, impossible, due to a system we invented for this purpose, but even if somebody will succeed to do it, it will anyway be impossible for him to compete economically. The 1 MW plants have a totally different technology and engineering. Warm Regards, A.R. A different technology? What technology is that? From: http://www.rossilivecat.com/
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Mary Yugo wrote: I suggest they start by asking him why he and Focardi are freezing their buns off in a room in which a running fusion reactor is present, supposedly making 10 to 15 kW of thermal energy. That reactor produced 5 to 8 kW, not 15 kW. It was in a large, drafty room. 8 kW = 27,000 BTU/h which is nowhere near enough to heat a large room. It is about the same as a kerosene heater such as this one: DuraHeat 23,000 BTU Portable Kerosene Heater http://www.homedepot.com/buy/building-materials-heating-venting-cooling-heaters-portable-heaters/duraheat-23-000-btu-portable-kerosene-heater-159784.html This kind of heater was used in houses in Japan in the 1970s. It is not enough to keep a house comfortable in winter. You would hardly notice one blazing away in a warehouse, a barn, a classroom lecture hall, or the women's dormitory at Okayama U. -- which was, in fact, a barn, formerly occupied by Imperial Japanese Army horses. I wore a coat in such places, and I always had a cold. A 2000 sq. ft. house in Atlanta calls for a 45,000 BTU/h heater. Kerosene heaters are really dangerous, by the way. Picturesque but dangerous. - Jed
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Kerosene heaters are really dangerous, by the way. Picturesque but dangerous. Especially in houses with paper walls. T
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo wrote: I suggest they start by asking him why he and Focardi are freezing their buns off in a room in which a running fusion reactor is present, supposedly making 10 to 15 kW of thermal energy. That reactor produced 5 to 8 kW, not 15 kW. It was in a large, drafty room. 8 kW = 27,000 BTU/h which is nowhere near enough to heat a large room. It is about the same as a kerosene heater such as this one: It's not a barn, it's a small room. I heat a small garage with a 1.875 kW quartz tube vertical heater and it does just fine. In a room about 12 x 18 feet, with a standard ceiling, I can get a delta T of better than 10 degrees C which really makes a difference. It takes a bit of time is all. And close to the heater, it's actually too warm for comfort.They supposedly had about three times that power or more depending what you read -- plenty to warm the cockles of their hearts. Except clearly, it didn't.
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo wrote: It's not a barn, it's a small room. Where is this photo? The photo I have is in a warehouse sized room. I linked the photo. I think it's the same location that Krivit described -- a small room connected to a large warehouse. BTW, even if it's a large room, the local effect should be substantial. The insulation hurts a bit but then, they could've removed it, circulated the steam in a copper coil and proved that they could heat the local area. Guess they didn't. Funny how Rossi never does the obvious tests but does all the obscure and misdirecting ones. Must be coincidence. More on that room -- it appears to be just 80 square feet and while I am not sure it's the same room, it seems probable from the looks of it that it is: I entered a 7,500-square-foot room. Nothing was installed in it, and electrical power came into the room from an extension cable. Except for a few dozen folding chairs, a few tables, and a small portable coffee machine (essential in Italy), the room was barren. Adjacent to this large room were two smaller rooms. One was a bathroom, and next to that, in an 80-square-foot room, Rossi’s E-Cat sat on a small table. Two large tanks of hydrogen stood next to it. From Kirivit's trip report here: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/RossiECatReport1.shtml That was probably the same room. If it was not, then whatever room it is should have heated up-- it was only appx 8 x 10 feet! Larger images of the room with Focardi and Rossi are here (LOL!): http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions This is sort of a trivial matter and can't be settled for sure without cooperation from Rossi or Levi which I am certain won't be forthcoming, LOLOLOL! I only talked about it for the amusement value.
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Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Larger images of the room with Focardi and Rossi are here (LOL!): http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions This is sort of a trivial matter and can't be settled for sure without cooperation from Rossi or Levi . . . The heat from that reactor is going down the drain. This is like running a hot water heater, dumping water into your kitchen sink and down the drain, and expecting it to heat your house. My home water heater is 12 kW, about the same as this device. It does not heat up the closet it is installed in much. (The closet is off the back porch, and has no register from the central heating.) Running hot water through the dishwasher and down the drain in the kitchen does not heat the kitchen much. It triggers the water heater to supply 12 kW for a while, so that much heat is going through the system. I thought you were talking about the stand alone space heater in the EON factory in Italy. That's about 8 kW. - Jed
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I wrote: Running hot water through the dishwasher and down the drain in the kitchen does not heat the kitchen much. It triggers the water heater to supply 12 kW for a while, so that much heat is going through the system. Actually, it is probably more than 12 kW. A U.S.-style tank water heater with 12 kW heater gets measurably colder if you run the water full blast through the kitchen for about ~4 minutes. Mine does, anyway. This means you are taking more than 12 kW of heat out. The heater cannot keep up. The whole point of making it a tank instead of a heat-on-demand heater is to have a reservoir of heat so the instantaneous heat from the gas fire can be less than your peak demand. Here is a heater that has to keep up with demand, with no reservoir: Bosch Water Heating AE-115 Electric Tankless Whole House Water Heater It is 18 kW. Flow Rate at 45 Degree F Rise: 2.6 GPM That's not enough of a flow for my whole house! I digress. To answer Mary Yugo's question, they are wearing overcoats because most of the heat from the reactor is warming up the sewer pipes below the building. Note that people in Europe and Japan keep buildings cold by American standards. They often wear overcoats indoors. Ah ha . . . I see now that I tested this very thing on Dec. 7, when I ran tests with water running through the bathroom sink for an hour and a half, where I tied together the hot and cold pipes. I monitored ambient temperature. It is a small bathroom. The tests triggered the water heater, and the hot water cooled down. So 12 kW was not keeping up. Ambient temperature did not change much. In other words, letting hot water gush through the sink and down the drain did not heat the room much. Ambient rose from 19 to 22 deg C . . . Good thing I did not toss out these notes. The bathroom is off of the hall which has the central heating thermostat, so that would prevent the temperature from rising if the warm air from the bathroom warmed up the hallway. But the door was closed much of the time because it was noisy. There is a ceiling vent with a fan. Running water through the sink does not heat up the air, but running it though the shower will, because the water mixes with a lot of air. It puts a lot of moisture into the air. In my house, when you open the bathroom door after a shower, the water in the air may trigger the smoke alarm in the hallway. You have to remember to turn on the ceiling fan while showering to prevent this. - Jed
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And it would become unbearably humid inside, so why hassle with it? From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 1:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo wrote: It's not a barn, it's a small room. Where is this photo? The photo I have is in a warehouse sized room. I linked the photo. I think it's the same location that Krivit described -- a small room connected to a large warehouse. BTW, even if it's a large room, the local effect should be substantial. The insulation hurts a bit but then, they could've removed it, circulated the steam in a copper coil and proved that they could heat the local area. Guess they didn't. Funny how Rossi never does the obvious tests but does all the obscure and misdirecting ones. Must be coincidence. More on that room -- it appears to be just 80 square feet and while I am not sure it's the same room, it seems probable from the looks of it that it is: I entered a 7,500-square-foot room. Nothing was installed in it, and electrical power came into the room from an extension cable. Except for a few dozen folding chairs, a few tables, and a small portable coffee machine (essential in Italy), the room was barren. Adjacent to this large room were two smaller rooms. One was a bathroom, and next to that, in an 80-square-foot room, Rossi's E-Cat sat on a small table. Two large tanks of hydrogen stood next to it. From Kirivit's trip report here: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/RossiECatReport1.shtml That was probably the same room. If it was not, then whatever room it is should have heated up-- it was only appx 8 x 10 feet! Larger images of the room with Focardi and Rossi are here (LOL!): http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions This is sort of a trivial matter and can't be settled for sure without cooperation from Rossi or Levi which I am certain won't be forthcoming, LOLOLOL! I only talked about it for the amusement value.
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About the University of Bologna deadline, I posted to journal-of-nuclear-physics last night, asking Rossi about the pending deadline. The post was awaiting moderation; as it doesn't appear to have passed moderation, I'll add it here for posterity: Robert L. Your comment is awaiting moderation January 4th, 2012 at 7:45 PM According to a New Energy Times article: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/01/university-of-bologna-clarifies-relationship-with-rossi/ The University of Bologna was expecting the university evaluations to begin in the next couple of weeks. 1) Will UNIBO be receiving a test device and first payment, as originally planned? 2) Have you made agreements with UNIBO to modify this timeframe? 3) If the U of B contract is no longer projected to occur, is there any other academic institution that will be testing, validating, or improving upon the E-Cat line? Thank you very much for your time. A great deal of early consideration was weighted by the UNIBO involvement and the spectre of university testing. Many people following LENR progress are anxiously awaiting academic review. In regards to false reporting of UNIBO testing, there were certainly errors made by reporters; they are not entirely to blame. Many, many reporters were led to believe that these tests were being independently performed at the university facilities. Here's an example: https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?documentId=ER9T8S6Y2527FI4number=EP08873805lng=ennpl=false Dott. Prof. Franco Cicogna (Rossi's patent counsel) invited the European Patent Office to attend testing at a laboratory made available by the University of Bologna and attended by Professors from the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, as well as by Professors in Physics from the U.S.A., China, Japan, France, Great Britain, Greece, Russia, and Italy. ___ Levi made claims that the University would be performing independent testing, and that those results, positive or negative, would be published. This kind of a claim carries a lot of weight, lending credence to Rossi's claims: --- 00:28:59 | Levi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7lAlzMBzLQt=28m59s There will be a research agreement between us and Rossi, it is currently being defined, and part of our job will be submitted to industrial secrecy. The Department of Physics will be completely free to publish the results of its experiments, whether the results are positive for Rossi or not. ___ I know that Rossi has reaped a lot of benefits from his association with UNIBO, and early promises of independent tests. Though the university made it abundantly clear that they were not performing any independent testing of E-Cats, it directly contradicts Rossi's claims (here's one from September) that testing had begun. Piers D September 9th, 2011 at 10:26 AM Dear Mr Rossi, I would like to congratulate all your team who have worked on bringing cold fusion from the lab to industrial and commercial reality. It seems so many years ago that Fleishman and Pons first introduced the concept to the wider global audience. I have two questions that you might wish to answer: • Have fully working E-Cats been provided to the Bologna and Uppsala Universities for research and testing? • Do you have any prospective European or Asian partners that will license the E-Cat technology for commercial production? Yours sincerely Piers Dickinson Andrea Rossi September 9th, 2011 at 11:28 AM Dear Piers D: 1- yes 2- yes Warm regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi _ I think that Rossi's previous exchange on this subject makes it appear that he's open to receiving the benefits of association with UNIBO, but he doesn't want truly independent testing to occur or be published: alig2004 December 22nd, 2011 at 9:02 AM Dear Ing. Rossi, I’m a fan of yours and I hope with all my heart that all the snakes will eat their hat soonest, just like Rockerduck in Mickey Mouse comics. I can’t wait this to happen, first for the benefit of all mankind, second for all the naysayers that I can’t stand. I wanted to ask you some questions: 1.any forecast on when you will be able to get the international patent for e-cat? 2.You said that anybody can buy a 1Mw plant. Are you not afraid that one of the customers will steal the secret after the installation and use it before you are able to get the patent? 3.Maybe I missed some informations, but I have not read anymore info on the agreement with University of Bologna, I knew that you have to pay the first installment to start their tests, I read something about an ultimatum and then nothing. What is the situation now with this issue? Please accept, by the way, my pre-order for a home e-cat. My Best Wishes for a Merry Christmas and a 2012 that will give you the recognition you deverve. Best regards Francesco Bonomi Andrea Rossi
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Meanwhile, Defkalion promises independent testing. When? Oh... soon! http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=831
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Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile, Defkalion promises independent testing. When? Oh... soon! They do not promise it. They hope to have it. They are a privately held business. They do not owe the public anything. They do not need to make any promises or commitments to the public, but only to customers, stockholders and regulators. The same is true of Rossi. You seem to have difficulty understanding this concept. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
I'm much less apt to dismiss Defkalion out-of-hand. It's partly just an objective evaluation of what limited information we have of the organization. I'll happily grant them a bit of time before real skepticism sets in, mostly based on Jed's claim that a competent observer has done a site survey to discuss testing protocols. From what I've gathered of the Defkalion story, they were gearing up to be a systems integration hub, and an early Ni-H reactor sales force. It appears that they found Rossi to have overstated his product, his capabilities, and the system maturity. When they discovered this, and fell silent, it seemed that they would lick their wounds, never to return. That they have returned to life without Rossi, leads me to believe that they have achieved some level of success on their own. The chance that they are now being fooled or misled by mismeasurement is so unlikely as to make no odds. This leaves only fraud, which I have no reason (yet) to seriously spend time on. Rossi's past requires a cautious observer to consider fraud or exaggeration as possible scenarios. Defkalion's BoD, to the best of my knowledge, have not been shown to have any such backgrounds. I cannot conceive that someone duped by Rossi would go on to perpetrate an even-larger fraud, especially when there doesn't appear to be a long game in sight. So, with this, I am going with my gut. I'd recommend witholding judgment, and only point out that most evidence of Defkalion is limited to their statements. I find their handling of the entire situation to be significantly more consistent with a true developmental strategy. - Of course, there's always the chance that their statements only appear so professional, because of the juxtaposition of Rossi's childish rants about clowns, snakes, and paid spies. Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:33:21 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms From: maryyu...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Meanwhile, Defkalion promises independent testing. When? Oh... soon! http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=831
Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile, Defkalion promises independent testing. When? Oh... soon! They do not promise it. They hope to have it. They are a privately held business. They do not owe the public anything. They do not need to make any promises or commitments to the public, but only to customers, stockholders and regulators. The same is true of Rossi. You seem to have difficulty understanding this concept. What concept is that, exactly? That someone can continue to make huge claims, present no or insufficient evidence for an entire year and then expect some sort of credibility or respect? Is that your thesis? Rossi and Defkalion would owe nothing to anybody if they had kept their mouths shut, except to their investors, about their claims. Once someone makes claims which have huge public impact, you bet they owe something. They owe proof.
Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: What concept is that, exactly? That someone can continue to make huge claims, present no or insufficient evidence for an entire year and then expect some sort of credibility or respect? Some people respect them and give them credibility. Others do not. You do not, obviously, but not everyone agrees with you. I know some smart people who find them completely credible, such as the people who visited Defkalion I spoke with last month. Is that your thesis? Rossi and Defkalion would owe nothing to anybody if they had kept their mouths shut, except to their investors, about their claims. Once someone makes claims which have huge public impact, you bet they owe something. They owe proof. No, they do not owe proof. Businesses often make unsubstantiated claims without showing any proof. Sometimes they never introduce a product. That is not illegal, or unethical, or even unusual. At worst it is wishful thinking. Or bad management, I suppose. It is unimportant. It affects only stockholders and employees. Sometimes companies do this to stymie competition, as I pointed out before. This strategy does not work well, in my experience. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
Mary, you do not have the current Rossi inter-personal and political dynamics down correctly or even worse maybe you do. As I see things, Rossi never wanted to reveal the details of his work, but Levi through an appeal to friendship forced Rossi to be more open to revealing information. His need to attract customers also forced some minimal level of revelation. But Rossi always wanted to keep this info flow to a minimum. E-Cat evaluation at the University of Bologna was Levi’s idea because as an academic, Levi’s status in academia requires a degree of verification, openness, publication, and information flow to peers. Now that Rossi is partnered with the US military, The UofP research effort is not needed. Rossi will get all the RD he would ever want or need from the DOD and it will be kept secret with no possible information leakage. This is the best of all worlds for Rossi. Along with this RD effort, the DOD will mount an intelligence campaign of duplicity and disinformation to hide their interest in LENR development work much in the same way that the UFO disinformation campaign was used to covertly hide Stealth aircraft development at Area 51 from the Soviet Union. Consistent with this scenario as informed by their past actions, I believe it is highly probable that the DOD will assign field and/or senior level intelligence officers to spread disinformation on various information outlets including web sites that deal with LENR to cover their real defense related efforts on the E-Cat. With Vortex as the premier LENR web information site, this is why I think you are actually an air force major with the appropriate background assigned here to hound this web site, to spread disinformation about the E-Cat, and to cover Rossi’s work for the DOD. In the same way you demand of Rossi, to establish your “good faith” bona fide please provide unsalable and definitive proof to the Vortex community that you are not some DOD shill assigned by the DOD to put the Vortex community off the scent, discourage the development and promulgation of the real story of the E-Cat, Rossi and Defkalion, together with ridiculing and undermining possible replication of the E-Cat. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile, Defkalion promises independent testing. When? Oh... soon! They do not promise it. They hope to have it. They are a privately held business. They do not owe the public anything. They do not need to make any promises or commitments to the public, but only to customers, stockholders and regulators. The same is true of Rossi. You seem to have difficulty understanding this concept. What concept is that, exactly? That someone can continue to make huge claims, present no or insufficient evidence for an entire year and then expect some sort of credibility or respect? Is that your thesis? Rossi and Defkalion would owe nothing to anybody if they had kept their mouths shut, except to their investors, about their claims. Once someone makes claims which have huge public impact, you bet they owe something. They owe proof.
Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: As I see things, Rossi never wanted to reveal the details of his work, but Levi through an appeal to friendship forced Rossi to be more open to revealing information. It was Focardi, not Levi. I think Rossi wanted to reveal some of his work, to some extent, to attract some attention, but not too much. See: fan dance. Focardi is an important guy in Italian physics, by the way. His need to attract customers also forced some minimal level of revelation. But Rossi always wanted to keep this info flow to a minimum. Exactly. Jim Patterson had the same plan. It did not work in his case. I have to grant, it seems to be working pretty well for Rossi. He is an amazing guy. I assume he has picked this strategy because he is having trouble getting a patent. I recently suggested to him that he consider asking the U.S. Congress or some agency such as the DoD for special consideration regarding a patent. The Congress has stepped in to clear up patent disputes in the past, especially in 1917 to clear up the aviation patent mess, during the war emergency. (I described that history here.) Now that Rossi is partnered with the US military, The UofP research effort is not needed. . . . Where did you hear he is partnering with the U.S. military? Is there authoritative proof of that? Rossi may have abandoned his plans with U. of P. He often changes his mind and his plans. He is mercurial. That is an old word, defined as: Adjective:(of a person) Subject to sudden or unpredictable changes.Noun:A drug or other compound containing mercury.Synonyms: fickle - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: With Vortex as the premier LENR web information site, this is why I think you are actually an air force major with the appropriate background assigned here to hound this web site, to spread disinformation about the E-Cat, and to cover Rossi’s work for the DOD. Naaa. Second lieutenant at best. T
Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: What concept is that, exactly? That someone can continue to make huge claims, present no or insufficient evidence for an entire year and then expect some sort of credibility or respect? Some people respect them and give them credibility. Others do not. You do not, obviously, but not everyone agrees with you. I know some smart people who find them completely credible, such as the people who visited Defkalion I spoke with last month. Is that your thesis? Rossi and Defkalion would owe nothing to anybody if they had kept their mouths shut, except to their investors, about their claims. Once someone makes claims which have huge public impact, you bet they owe something. They owe proof. No, they do not owe proof. Businesses often make unsubstantiated claims without showing any proof. Sometimes they never introduce a product. That is not illegal, or unethical, or even unusual. At worst it is wishful thinking. Or bad management, I suppose. It is unimportant. It affects only stockholders and employees. Actually IMO it is unethical. Lawful and ethical activity do not necessarily overlap. They have made no promises in the legal sense, but they have raised expectations and they should feel a duty to explain the delays. If they don't, then there is something wrong with their sense of ethics, or if you prefer fair play. Harry Sometimes companies do this to stymie competition, as I pointed out before. This strategy does not work well, in my experience. - Jed
[Vo]:Testing Mozilla Thunderbird
Are these messages actually getting through or is it just my e-mail system telling me they are? Sort of telling me that. I guess I should check the Vortex archive . . . I had to replace Eudora e-mail which I have been using for 20 years. They don't make it anymore and it never did work with Japanese. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Testing Mozilla Thunderbird
Good grief! The messages I was sending to Vortex were coming back and being vectored into the Gmail spam folder! Hoist by my own petard. Here I was blaming it on Mozilla Thunderbird. You should check your spam filter from time to time. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Testing Mozilla Thunderbird
Odd, gmail spam filter is normally very good. Maybe you have marked some as spam once? On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Good grief! The messages I was sending to Vortex were coming back and being vectored into the Gmail spam folder! Hoist by my own petard. Here I was blaming it on Mozilla Thunderbird. You should check your spam filter from time to time. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Testing Mozilla Thunderbird
Wow, just checked and found a swag of recent vort emails in there, none from you though. odd. maybe if everyone who uses gmail marks vort false positives as not spam gmail will get the message. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:17 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, gmail spam filter is normally very good. Maybe you have marked some as spam once? On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Good grief! The messages I was sending to Vortex were coming back and being vectored into the Gmail spam folder! Hoist by my own petard. Here I was blaming it on Mozilla Thunderbird. You should check your spam filter from time to time. - Jed
[Vo]:Testing Newton's 2nd
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527493.900-dark-matter-could-meet-its-nemesis-on-earth.html Dark matter could meet its nemesis on Earth 01 March 2010 by Stuart Clark A SPINNING disc may be all that is needed to overturn Newton's second law of motion - and potentially remove the need for dark matter. The second law states that a force is proportional to an object's mass and its acceleration. But since the 1980s, some physicists have eyed the law with suspicion, arguing that subtle changes to it at extremely small accelerations could explain the observed motion of stars in galaxies. Stars move at speeds that suggest that galaxies have far more mass than is visible, which astronomers attribute to dark matter. But if Newton's second law could be modified ever so slightly, it would obviate the need for dark matter. The hypothesis, known as modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND), was proposed in 1981 by Mordehai Milgrom, then at Princeton University. Ground-based tests of MOND had been thought impossible because of the confounding motions of the Earth. But now, Vitorio De Lorenci of the Federal University of Itajubá, Brazil, and colleagues have devised an experiment to do just that (arxiv.org/abs/1002.2766). The key is to cancel out the acceleration of Earth's rotation, its orbit round the sun, and the orbit of the sun round the galactic centre. The basic idea was first proposed in 2007, when Alex Ignatiev calculated that the accelerations all cancel out for a millisecond at two particular points on Earth's surface, twice a year. That makes the experiment possible in theory, but not feasible. Now, De Lorenci's team has figured out that a spinning disc can reproduce the effect any time and anywhere on Earth. Their calculations show that if the disc is positioned accurately and its speed precisely controlled, the acceleration at specific points on the disc's rim would cancel out the accelerations produced by the motion of the Earth and the sun. If the second law is correct at all accelerations, a measuring device mounted on the rim should register no anomalous force at these points. However, if MOND is correct, the device should feel an aberrant kick. We are able to control the conditions to produce the MOND regime in any place at any time, says De Lorenci. However, the experiment can only test a version of MOND that says that all forces act differently at tiny accelerations. Another version postulates that just gravity would be affected, and this can only be tested in space. Still, the new work is a boon to those interested in MOND. This is a brilliant twist on an experiment that could conceivably be performed on the Earth's surface, says astronomer Stacy McGaugh at the University of Maryland in College Park. end
[Vo]:Testing Relativistic Cavities
Hi Fran! It is good to hear from you! You are the first person that has dilscussed the temporal aspects of these cavities. Is my description of them in the Relativistic-Cavities section of Self-Sheltering Plates??? http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/Self-Sheltering_Casimir-Plate.pdf From: froarty...@comcast.net To: scott...@hotmail.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:A Nano-Cavity \Rocket\ Z-PEC Zero-Point Energy Converter Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:47:31 -0500 Wm, I think it is a little more complicated than that although you are on the right track. In my opinion The trick is vacuum flux are moving on the time axis so from their perspective your “box” has 6 sides –they manifest while traveling from the future side to the past side while the other 4 sides located in 3D space appear flattened out to a “width” = to what we perceive as the “present”. Casmir “plates” can force these fluctuations to shrink, squeezing through the lattices to achieve “equivalent” acceleration from our perspective just like a large gravitational mass but on a mesoscopic scale. It is the tiny cavity between the plates that produces something the macro scale cannot, ”equivalent deceleration”, The squeezed fluctuations accumulate a pressure behind the plates that is suddenly released by the cavity forming a fast moving vortex/venture. Instead of slowing time by opposing fluctuation flow, the cavity accelerates time flow. You can ignore the temporal and conservation of energy aspects if you put it in terms of catalytic action which really just disguises these terms but avoids a lot of controversy. This puts your present description on the right track, you have a time machine in the form of a rigid catalyst, you have the uncertainty principle driving gas law to keep atoms in motion, you have natures preference for a diatomic state and apparently you also have natures resistance to molecular motion in a catalytic environment but we know disassociated hydrogen can make a non radiative translation to fractional state. This suggests that a fractional molecule formed From these translated atoms also opposes catalytic action (change in Casimir force) so that the atomic motion of gas law provides relative motion with the stationary plates producing changes in Casmir force which break the bond – It is during this period while vacuum fluctuations are accumulating boundary conditions in opposition to the covalent bond that the potential for reactionless drive exist. The Plasma is produced at the moment of molecular formation locking the atomic fractional states proportional to local plate geometry, the molecule then moves based on gas law with the fractional states trying to change but opposed by the covalent bond, If this “post plasma” but “pre bond break” gas can be driven preferentially on one axis it may provide the elusive “ether oar”. If I had the ability to create black light plasma I would put the device in a nonferrous balance scale and change the opposing weights while the unit was on and compare to changing the weights while the unit is off – My theory is that the “settle” time would be much slower with the plasma on then off because of these increased boundary conditions. Regards Fran _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/
[Vo]:Testing Relativistic Cavities Completed e-mail
(This e-mail sent itself before it was done---here is the rest) Hi Fran! It is good to hear from you! You are the first person that has dilscussed the temporal aspects of these cavities. Is my description of them in the Relativistic-Cavities section of Self-Sheltering Plates??? http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/Self-Sheltering_Casimir-Plate.pdf It would be so easy to test this whole notion by simply exposing a precise amount Raney Nickel to sllightly-radioactive Kr 81 gas and comparing its reaction-rate to the same amount of gas that was not exposed to the Raney Nickel. Raney Nickel has many cavities under 20 nm. However, it is probably important that the cavity walls have a certain nominal thickness due to skin-depth penetration issues; therefore, one might want to make a Raney Allow that is 50/50 molar-ratio rather than 50/50 ratio by weight as is more typical Do you think the process-acceleration aspects are what cause the cavities to manifest a higher apparent pressure---I am really trying to understand what drives the so-called Repulsive Casimir Effect. What actually causes the flux-pressure to build in these cavities: Resonance? Optical Pumping? Relativistic From: froarty...@comcast.net To: scott...@hotmail.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:A Nano-Cavity \Rocket\ Z-PEC Zero-Point Energy Converter Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:47:31 -0500 Wm, I think it is a little more complicated than that although you are on the right track. In my opinion The trick is vacuum flux are moving on the time axis so from their perspective your “box” has 6 sides –they manifest while traveling from the future side to the past side while the other 4 sides located in 3D space appear flattened out to a “width” = to what we perceive as the “present”. Casmir “plates” can force these fluctuations to shrink, squeezing through the lattices to achieve “equivalent” acceleration from our perspective just like a large gravitational mass but on a mesoscopic scale. It is the tiny cavity between the plates that produces something the macro scale cannot, ”equivalent deceleration”, The squeezed fluctuations accumulate a pressure behind the plates that is suddenly released by the cavity forming a fast moving vortex/venture. Instead of slowing time by opposing fluctuation flow, the cavity accelerates time flow. You can ignore the temporal and conservation of energy aspects if you put it in terms of catalytic action which really just disguises these terms but avoids a lot of controversy. This puts your present description on the right track, you have a time machine in the form of a rigid catalyst, you have the uncertainty principle driving gas law to keep atoms in motion, you have natures preference for a diatomic state and apparently you also have natures resistance to molecular motion in a catalytic environment but we know disassociated hydrogen can make a non radiative translation to fractional state. This suggests that a fractional molecule formed From these translated atoms also opposes catalytic action (change in Casimir force) so that the atomic motion of gas law provides relative motion with the stationary plates producing changes in Casmir force which break the bond – It is during this period while vacuum fluctuations are accumulating boundary conditions in opposition to the covalent bond that the potential for reactionless drive exist. The Plasma is produced at the moment of molecular formation locking the atomic fractional states proportional to local plate geometry, the molecule then moves based on gas law with the fractional states trying to change but opposed by the covalent bond, If this “post plasma” but “pre bond break” gas can be driven preferentially on one axis it may provide the elusive “ether oar”. If I had the ability to create black light plasma I would put the device in a nonferrous balance scale and change the opposing weights while the unit was on and compare to changing the weights while the unit is off – My theory is that the “settle” time would be much slower with the plasma on then off because of these increased boundary conditions. Regards Fran _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/
[Vo]:Testing Relativistic Cavities Completed e-mail
WM, The repulsive Casimir effect is a misnomer, If you read the articles carefully you will discover there is a medium used to cause this effect. The nanomaterial is still attracted but less so than the medium which gets between the sphere and the plate - quite literally floating it above the surface on a more attractive medium. I don't recall the chemical used but the effect should really be called less attractive not repulsive. Judging from your use of terms like photon birth rate on one side of the plate vs the other and other places where you have referred to vacuum fluctuations I take it you embrace both camps of Casimir theory. After much investigation I also concluded they are equivalent and even found references to other researchers that concluded that regardless of which is correct both models provide same results whether vacuum flux exist or not. You also noted the 20 nm scale of Rayney Nickel pores - So far I haven't found any one other than myself proposing that all catalytic action is based on Casmir geometry stemming from this discovery so I don't know if I actually found something or am simply stating the obvious. For a couple months I thought I was the only one that noted this relationship until I found the Haisch- Moddel patent based on Casmir cavities was filed 6 months previous to my claim! They didn't make the connection to a Catalyst but then they wouldn't want to make the point of any similarity to Mills yet they make use of same environment by creating synthetic cavities. The interesting thing that has occurred since I first made this proposal is that Peng Chen at Cornell university discovered that catalytic action in nanotubes only occurs at the opening and defects in nanotubes using an atomic force microscope, This strongly suggests that it is the change in Casmir force we perceive as catalytic action. Unlike a steady magnetic field the Casmir field becomes a white water ride for hydrogen as the spacing of the plates change producing catalytic action. Even field variations experienced by atoms due to relative motion with the plates would be a wash from the perspective of CoE if it not for the Asymmetrical way covalent bonds oppose changes in the field vs the way atoms simply reshape. Regards Fran
Re: [Vo]:testing the Amish heater
thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: a) Do you have a link to it? b) How much energy does the hypothetical coffee maker draw? 1 coffee maker is a nonstandard unit and it's hard to compare it with 5 kW. Jeff Fink wrote: I have been seeing ads for a portable plug in electric fire place that uses as much electricity as a kitchen coffee maker but puts out 5000 watts of heat. Has anybody checked this out from an o.u. perspective? A coffee maker takes about 1900 watts, This ties up a 20 Amp circuit. Mine's a lot smaller. It says 900 W on the bottom. I have not tested it with an ammeter or watt meter. You can test this machine in the following manner. Amp meters are for sale in stores like Home Depot. There is a digital one called the Kill-a-watt which is cheap and comes built into power strips and plug in wall units. - Jed
[Vo]:testing the Amish heater
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: a) Do you have a link to it? b) How much energy does the hypothetical coffee maker draw? 1 coffee maker is a nonstandard unit and it's hard to compare it with 5 kW. Jeff Fink wrote: I have been seeing ads for a portable plug in electric fire place that uses as much electricity as a kitchen coffee maker but puts out 5000 watts of heat. Has anybody checked this out from an o.u. perspective? A coffee maker takes about 1900 watts, This ties up a 20 Amp circuit. If the heater's out put is anywhere near 5 KW heat out put, you can resolve the matter. You can test this machine in the following manner. Amp meters are for sale in stores like Home Depot. Get an amplifier, this plugs into the power supply. The load plugs into it, and the amp meter hooks into the amplifier which makes the amp meter read 10 times higher, which improves it accuracy. Find a metallic container with a metallic pot that fits inside it. place the heater in a metallic container and wrap a bat of fiberglass insulation around it. place a container of water on the top. Use a scale to determine an quantity of water and ice, allow most of the ice to melt. Put this thing together and allow the pot of water to sit on the heater for a period of time and monitor it's temperature with a thermometer. Report the results, and we'll do the math. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:testing the Amish heater
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: a) Do you have a link to it? b) How much energy does the hypothetical coffee maker draw? 1 coffee maker is a nonstandard unit and it's hard to compare it with 5 kW. Jeff Fink wrote: I have been seeing ads for a portable plug in electric fire place that uses as much electricity as a kitchen coffee maker but puts out 5000 watts of heat. Has anybody checked this out from an o.u. perspective? A coffee maker takes about 1900 watts, This ties up a 20 Amp circuit. If the heater's out put is anywhere near 5 KW heat out put, you can resolve the matter. You can test this machine in the following manner. Amp meters are for sale in stores like Home Depot. Get an amplifier, this plugs into the power supply. The load plugs into it, and the amp meter hooks into the amplifier which makes the amp meter read 10 times higher, which improves it accuracy. Find a metallic container with a metallic pot that fits inside it. place the heater in a metallic container and wrap a bat of fiberglass insulation around it. place a container of water on the top. Use a scale to determine an quantity of water and ice, allow most of the ice to melt. Put this thing together and allow the pot of water to sit on the heater for a period of time and monitor it's temperature with a thermometer. Report the results, and we'll do the math. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]: Testing
well, all i did was write a suject in the subject field. are you adding the [Vo}: yourself jones? On 9/29/06, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: testing subject. -- That which yields isn't always weak. -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]: Testing
- Original Message - From: leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] well, all i did was write a suject in the subject field. are you adding the [Vo}: yourself jones? No - did not add [Vo] but I started the message out in HTML (using Outlook Express) and then changed it to plain text at the end, as Vortex seems to be the only forum where readers complain it if it is not in plain. But I have always done this before and only seldom had the dropped subject. That which yields isn't always weak. ... true, but often - that which is weak does not yield much g Jones
RE: [Vo]: Testing
Well, there are two options.
A) Complain.
or
B) Debug Bills mail script, as follows.
:0
* ! ^Subject: (Re:(\[[1-9]+\])? )?\[Vo\]:
{
:0 w
CURRENT_SUBJ=| formail -zx Subject:
:0 fhw
| formail -ISubject: [Vo]: $CURRENT_SUBJ
}
K.
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:22 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Testing
well, all i did was write a suject in the subject field. are you
adding the [Vo}: yourself jones?
On 9/29/06, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
testing subject.
--
That which yields isn't always weak.
--
That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]: Testing
Hi Keith,
Well ... as a notroious non-complainer g ...
Debug Bills mail script, as follows.
:0
* ! ^Subject: (Re:(\[[1-9]+\])? )?\[Vo\]:
{
:0 w
CURRENT_SUBJ=| formail -zx Subject:
:0 fhw
| formail -ISubject: [Vo]: $CURRENT_SUBJ
}
OK ... but assume that we do not all possess your programming
acumen.
How does one go about Debugging Bills mail script ?? is this
done in Outlook Express? I am loathe to change mail clients as I
have over 10 years worth of sorted messages
RE: [Vo]: Testing
Hi Jones,
This is the mail script Bill posted to this forum several
months ago when he implemented the new policy. Clearly,
it has a bug. He installed it on his server, so someone
needs to find the bug and correct it, then send him the
revised version for him to install.
Could I do this? Probably, but the language is unfamilar
to me, I tend to work mostly in C++ these days and
avoid the scripting stuff. I am however very curious
who will take it upon themselves to do the work at
hand and solve the problem. A social experiment, if you will.
Again, here is the script.
:0
* ! ^Subject: (Re:(\[[1-9]+\])? )?\[Vo\]:
{
:0 w
CURRENT_SUBJ=| formail -zx Subject:
:0 fhw
| formail -ISubject: [Vo]: $CURRENT_SUBJ
}
K.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:54 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Testing
Hi Keith,
Well ... as a notroious non-complainer g ...
Debug Bills mail script, as follows.
:0
* ! ^Subject: (Re:(\[[1-9]+\])? )?\[Vo\]:
{
:0 w
CURRENT_SUBJ=| formail -zx Subject:
:0 fhw
| formail -ISubject: [Vo]: $CURRENT_SUBJ
}
OK ... but assume that we do not all possess your programming
acumen.
How does one go about Debugging Bills mail script ?? is this
done in Outlook Express? I am loathe to change mail clients as I
have over 10 years worth of sorted messages
Re: [Vo]: Testing
ohh, youre using outlook express. thats your problem there. its a pos. ive had mails sent but not sent, subject lines mangled and dropped ALL the time when i was using it. On 9/29/06, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] well, all i did was write a suject in the subject field. are you adding the [Vo}: yourself jones? No - did not add [Vo] but I started the message out in HTML (using Outlook Express) and then changed it to plain text at the end, as Vortex seems to be the only forum where readers complain it if it is not in plain. But I have always done this before and only seldom had the dropped subject. That which yields isn't always weak. ... true, but often - that which is weak does not yield much g Jones -- That which yields isn't always weak.
[Vo]: Testing Transmutation
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.alchemy22jul22,0,3470071.story?track=rss%20 http://tinyurl.com/zl7v8 By Michael Stroh Sun reporter Originally published July 22, 2006 PHILADELPHIA // It's not exactly a seminar at Hogwarts. But Harry Potter devotees would still feel right at home with the scholars gathering this week to discuss the philosopher's stone, arsenic and the finer points of transmuting lead to gold. I have a few flasks heating back in Baltimore as we speak, says Larry Principe, a Johns Hopkins professor of chemistry and history whose academic specialty might be dubbed experimental alchemy. more
