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And now some dark Lovecraftian creature from lightning: http://whofortedblog.com/2013/05/04/hell-it-bizarre-organism-appears-lightning-strike/
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DARPA first attempt at quantum teleportation via dark energy of a human volunteer... On Friday, May 10, 2013, Terry Blanton wrote: And now some dark Lovecraftian creature from lightning: http://whofortedblog.com/2013/05/04/hell-it-bizarre-organism-appears-lightning-strike/
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I think understanding this will aid in the explanation of NiH LENR.
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Terry, thanks for this post. This discovery of dark lightning is what I was referring to as the systems engineering approach to LENR research in the thread “Editorial by Hagelstein in Infinite Energy”. Who could have ever guessed that meteorology could show the same basic mechanisms happening in Ni/H LENR. This type of dark lightning has been recently discovered to exist in sub-nanometer sized “hot spots” in between the touching surfaces of nano-particles. Electric charge accumulates on the particles like static charge does in a clouded sky of a thunderstorm. A steady discharge between the nano-particles forms static EMF that does not radiate outward; this outward bright radiation is called far field radiation. In contrast, this dark mode radiates furtively though powerfully inward toward the center of the “hot spot”. This is how the powerful atomic level electrostatic EMF discharge disrupts the subatomic processes inside the nuclei of nearby atoms. But in LENR, being somewhat different from dark lightning because of its almost infinitesimally small size, the hot spot is entangled throughout the entire volume of all the micro-particles. The nuclear energy that is produced by this dark mode is distributed roughly evenly through a quantum mechanical sharing mechanism as that nuclear energy is broken up into a million small individual thermal pieces throughout the entire volume of the micro-powder. In a thunderstorm, when the lightning turns inward in a dark mode toward the atoms of air in the thunder stroke, no entanglement of the roiling and heaving air is possible and the nuclear radiation that the dark lightning produces is released in its full intensity as gamma and x-rays. Nature is replete with countless examples of fractal reflections of all its processes from the huge processes possible throughout the entire sky, down to the near atomic level LENR processes between micro-particles. How amazing this all is. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I think understanding this will aid in the explanation of NiH LENR.
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Terry, I think we are going to find strings and micro black hole balls of dark matter/energy (which is really just entropy/vacuum energy) triggering those electromagnetic discharges in the clouds. They have also detected positrons during lightning discharges, which is a signature of dark matter/energy collisions and beta plus decay. http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/11jan_antimatter/ I sent the professors an email this morning, I am looking to fund flying an RV/Drone into the dark band of a double rainbow (which I believe is a toroid) to check for thermodynamic, electromagnetic and gravitational disturbances. I think we will find a very energetic animal hiding within that closed string we call a double rainbow which mostly reserve themselves for some of the most sever thermodynamic upsets in nature such as the Joplin, MO tornadic episode and others. If you look closely, I think you will see condensation coming off the rainbow as it extracts entropy from the surrounding gas and cools the atmosphere. Many of them also have lightning coming off them if you search for it on Youtube or look at the videos on my blog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=r2cznbI8ha4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpYQI7iNwFI Humans have a tendency to see what they believe to be true. Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I think understanding this will aid in the explanation of NiH LENR.
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The first thing that came to mind for the missing bolt was Dirac reciprocal space. Can lightning sometimes end up in reciprocal space? If so, it should be some kind of Fourier transform. This site turned up: http://www.rodenburg.org/theory/Reciprocalspace20.html ... which is interesting, but another site other may actually give us a better and mundane explanation: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101223-lightning-x-rays-came ra-science-technology/ Which suggests that a lightning bolt carries almost all its x-ray radiation in its tip. Thus, if an observer saw only lots of x-rays and no flash of light, a plausible explanation is that the bolt was coming directing at the observer. Another observer located almost anywhere else far removed, could see the bolt from its side angle as a string-like bolt. But if that bolt is mostly in your line of sight, it would be mostly dark. OK, then why was the observer not fried by the bolt coming directly towards him - if the bolt was aligned in his direct line of sight? Although most lightning strikes do hit the ground or a structure on earth, some don't, especially at high altitude. Lightning is defined as a massive electrostatic discharge between electrically charged regions within clouds, or between a cloud and the Earth's surface. Pilots report lightning flashes which start and terminate in clouds without ever going to ground. Presumably there are pockets of differing polarity at altitude and occasionally will be aligned in such a way that the lightning will come directly at the observer but be intercepted by the opposite polarity before it hits the observer, with only the high energy radiation to show for it. IOW - if the observer happened to be located in an airplane, so that both pockets of charge were aligned in his line of sight, he might never see the flash itself - only the radiation. The flash would be a small dot of light which would not stand out like a bolt would. Note: this is NOT a claim of factuality - simply a flash suggestion, so to speak. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/thunderstorms-contain- dark-lightning-invisible-pulses-of-powerful-radiation/2013/04/08/1c796ebc-8a 76-11e2-a051-6810d606108d_story.html Sometimes its flashes are invisible, just sudden pulses of unexpectedly powerful radiation.
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Gamma rays are only produced by nuclear reactions. The wavelength of these rays is just 10 picometers, the size only compatible with the insides of the nucleus of an atom. Also remember that Rossi said he has seen gamma rays coming electron/positron annihilation. From http://www.livescience.com/28594-dark-lightning-zaps-airline-passengers.html Dark lightning that is almost invisible within clouds may regularly blast airline passengers with large numbers of gamma rays, scientists find. However, these outbursts do not seem to reach truly dangerous levels, researchers added. More than a decade ago, researchers unexpectedly discovered thunderstorms could generate brief but powerful bursts of gamma rays, the highest-energy form of light. These so-called terrestrial gamma-ray flashes are so bright that they are able to blind sensors on satellites many hundreds of miles away. *• The amount of gamma emissions from dark lightning are very large.* Worryingly, terrestrial gamma-ray flashes can occur near the same altitudes at which commercial aircraft regularly fly. Attempts to discover whether these flashes pose a radiation hazard to airline passengers have been hampered by a poor understanding of the cause of these flashes. Past research has also found these flashes hurl beams of antimatter into space. [The 5 Real Hazards of Air Travel] We know in detail how black holes work at the centers of distant galaxies, but we don't really understand what is going on inside thunderclouds just a few miles over our heads, said researcher Joseph Dwyer, a physicist at the Florida Institute of Technology. Extreme lightning Now computer models suggest the flashes are caused by an extreme form of lightning. Although they may blast out large numbers of gamma rays, they generate very little visible light, leading scientists to call the phenomenon dark lightning. I find it amazing that it took us two-and-a half centuries after Ben Franklin to find out that there is another kind of lightning inside thunderstorms, Dwyer told LiveScience. Normal lightning involves slow electrons that carry electric current to the ground or within clouds. In contrast, dark lightning involves high-energy electrons. These electrons slam into air molecules, producing gamma rays. In turn, these gamma rays generate electrons and their antimatter counterparts, known as positrons. These high-energy particles collide into still more air molecules, generating more gamma rays, ultimately explaining many of the properties of the gamma-ray flashes that scientists have detected from thunderstorms. Ordinary lightning arcs from one spot to another to reduce the voltage growing within clouds. Dark lightning does so as well, and since much higher energy particles are involved, it reduces voltage far more quickly, so the electric fields within them can collapse in a few tens of microseconds, Dwyer said. Dwyer is underestimating the gamma producing power of dark lightning. From this site http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/news/fermi-thunderstorms.html NASA's Fermi Catches Thunderstorms Hurling Antimatter into Space Scientists using NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope have detected beams of antimatter produced above thunderstorms on Earth, a phenomenon never seen before. Scientists think the antimatter particles were formed in a terrestrial gamma-ray flash (TGF), a brief burst produced inside thunderstorms and shown to be associated with lightning. It is estimated that about 500 TGFs occur daily worldwide, but most go undetected. These signals are the first direct evidence that thunderstorms make antimatter particle beams, said Michael Briggs, a member of Fermi's Gamma-ray Burst Monitor (GBM) team at the University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH). He presented the findings Monday, during a news briefing at the American Astronomical Society meeting in Seattle. The videos on this site are interesting to watch. They explain how NASA thinks how both gamma rays and positrons are formed by lightning. •* The theory does not explain how only certain lightning strokes produce positrons. Only about 500 strokes out of tens of thousands produce positrons.* *One way to tell where the gamma rays are coming from is to determine what spectrum comes from these rays. If they derive from nuclear transmutation reactions, then LENR may be involved.* On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, thanks for this post. This discovery of dark lightning is what I was referring to as the systems engineering approach to LENR research in the thread “Editorial by Hagelstein in Infinite Energy”. Who could have ever guessed that meteorology could show the same basic mechanisms happening in Ni/H LENR. This type of dark lightning has been recently discovered to exist in sub-nanometer sized “hot spots” in between the touching surfaces of nano-particles. Electric charge accumulates on the particles like static charge does in
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The study of this phenomena will be interesting. I can imagine that a large lightning discharge would be proceeded by many small unsuccessful attempts. I do not recall a rule that states that once a charge movement is initiated that it must continue to a large conclusion. Perhaps the dark lightning is one of these smaller events that does not involve enough current to be visible. For my hypothesis to be possible it is necessary for the electric field to vary within a thunder cloud. This seems like a reasonable assumption. You need a relatively short space between the positive and negative charge carriers where an intense electric field resides. This field might be modulated by nearby discharges that lead to local intensification. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 10, 2013 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dark Lightning The first thing that came to mind for the missing bolt was Dirac reciprocal space. Can lightning sometimes end up in reciprocal space? If so, it should be some kind of Fourier transform. This site turned up: http://www.rodenburg.org/theory/Reciprocalspace20.html ... which is interesting, but another site other may actually give us a better and mundane explanation: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101223-lightning-x-rays-came ra-science-technology/ Which suggests that a lightning bolt carries almost all its x-ray radiation in its tip. Thus, if an observer saw only lots of x-rays and no flash of light, a plausible explanation is that the bolt was coming directing at the observer. Another observer located almost anywhere else far removed, could see the bolt from its side angle as a string-like bolt. But if that bolt is mostly in your line of sight, it would be mostly dark. OK, then why was the observer not fried by the bolt coming directly towards him - if the bolt was aligned in his direct line of sight? Although most lightning strikes do hit the ground or a structure on earth, some don't, especially at high altitude. Lightning is defined as a massive electrostatic discharge between electrically charged regions within clouds, or between a cloud and the Earth's surface. Pilots report lightning flashes which start and terminate in clouds without ever going to ground. Presumably there are pockets of differing polarity at altitude and occasionally will be aligned in such a way that the lightning will come directly at the observer but be intercepted by the opposite polarity before it hits the observer, with only the high energy radiation to show for it. IOW - if the observer happened to be located in an airplane, so that both pockets of charge were aligned in his line of sight, he might never see the flash itself - only the radiation. The flash would be a small dot of light which would not stand out like a bolt would. Note: this is NOT a claim of factuality - simply a flash suggestion, so to speak. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/thunderstorms-contain- dark-lightning-invisible-pulses-of-powerful-radiation/2013/04/08/1c796ebc-8a 76-11e2-a051-6810d606108d_story.html Sometimes its flashes are invisible, just sudden pulses of unexpectedly powerful radiation.
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Ken shoulders has discovered something he call a black EV(a ball of electrons). The propagation of EVs through a gas atmosphere produces very thin, bright ion streamers in the gas or along the wall of the envelope. In an electrodeless device, other EVs may follow along the same sheath of an ion streamer formed by a preceding EV. The thickness of the ion sheath increases as multiple EVs propagate along the same streamer. If the gas pressure is very low, EVs will propagate without the formation of a visible streamer. Such are known as black EVs. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The study of this phenomena will be interesting. I can imagine that a large lightning discharge would be proceeded by many small unsuccessful attempts. I do not recall a rule that states that once a charge movement is initiated that it must continue to a large conclusion. Perhaps the dark lightning is one of these smaller events that does not involve enough current to be visible. For my hypothesis to be possible it is necessary for the electric field to vary within a thunder cloud. This seems like a reasonable assumption. You need a relatively short space between the positive and negative charge carriers where an intense electric field resides. This field might be modulated by nearby discharges that lead to local intensification. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 10, 2013 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dark Lightning The first thing that came to mind for the missing bolt was Dirac reciprocal space. Can lightning sometimes end up in reciprocal space? If so, it should be some kind of Fourier transform. This site turned up: http://www.rodenburg.org/theory/Reciprocalspace20.html ... which is interesting, but another site other may actually give us a better and mundane explanation: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101223-lightning-x-rays-came ra-science-technology/ Which suggests that a lightning bolt carries almost all its x-ray radiation in its tip. Thus, if an observer saw only lots of x-rays and no flash of light, a plausible explanation is that the bolt was coming directing at the observer. Another observer located almost anywhere else far removed, could see the bolt from its side angle as a string-like bolt. But if that bolt is mostly in your line of sight, it would be mostly dark. OK, then why was the observer not fried by the bolt coming directly towards him - if the bolt was aligned in his direct line of sight? Although most lightning strikes do hit the ground or a structure on earth, some don't, especially at high altitude. Lightning is defined as a massive electrostatic discharge between electrically charged regions within clouds, or between a cloud and the Earth's surface. Pilots report lightning flashes which start and terminate in clouds without ever going to ground. Presumably there are pockets of differing polarity at altitude and occasionally will be aligned in such a way that the lightning will come directly at the observer but be intercepted by the opposite polarity before it hits the observer, with only the high energy radiation to show for it. IOW - if the observer happened to be located in an airplane, so that both pockets of charge were aligned in his line of sight, he might never see the flash itself - only the radiation. The flash would be a small dot of light which would not stand out like a bolt would. Note: this is NOT a claim of factuality - simply a flash suggestion, so to speak. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/thunderstorms-contain- dark-lightning-invisible-pulses-of-powerful-radiation/2013/04/08/1c796ebc-8a 76-11e2-a051-6810d606108d_story.html Sometimes its flashes are invisible, just sudden pulses of unexpectedly powerful radiation.
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Streamers sounds like strings to me. As in String Theory. I think they create the low pressure as they suck entropy at their surface. They also shred atoms at their surface creating the EV/ball of electrons and possibly positrons neutrinos. You watch cirrus clouds closely, lots of little streamers proceeeding foul weather approaching, including ice halos, etc. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Ken shoulders has discovered something he call a black EV(a ball of electrons). The propagation of EVs through a gas atmosphere produces very thin, bright ion streamers in the gas or along the wall of the envelope. In an electrodeless device, other EVs may follow along the same sheath of an ion streamer formed by a preceding EV. The thickness of the ion sheath increases as multiple EVs propagate along the same streamer. If the gas pressure is very low, EVs will propagate without the formation of a visible streamer. Such are known as black EVs. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: The study of this phenomena will be interesting. I can imagine that a large lightning discharge would be proceeded by many small unsuccessful attempts. I do not recall a rule that states that once a charge movement is initiated that it must continue to a large conclusion. Perhaps the dark lightning is one of these smaller events that does not involve enough current to be visible. For my hypothesis to be possible it is necessary for the electric field to vary within a thunder cloud. This seems like a reasonable assumption. You need a relatively short space between the positive and negative charge carriers where an intense electric field resides. This field might be modulated by nearby discharges that lead to local intensification. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 10, 2013 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dark Lightning The first thing that came to mind for the missing bolt was Dirac reciprocal space. Can lightning sometimes end up in reciprocal space? If so, it should be some kind of Fourier transform. This site turned up: http://www.rodenburg.org/theory/Reciprocalspace20.html ... which is interesting, but another site other may actually give us a better and mundane explanation: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101223-lightning-x-rays-came ra-science-technology/ Which suggests that a lightning bolt carries almost all its x-ray radiation in its tip. Thus, if an observer saw only lots of x-rays and no flash of light, a plausible explanation is that the bolt was coming directing at the observer. Another observer located almost anywhere else far removed, could see the bolt from its side angle as a string-like bolt. But if that bolt is mostly in your line of sight, it would be mostly dark. OK, then why was the observer not fried by the bolt coming directly towards him - if the bolt was aligned in his direct line of sight? Although most lightning strikes do hit the ground or a structure on earth, some don't, especially at high altitude. Lightning is defined as a massive electrostatic discharge between electrically charged regions within clouds, or between a cloud and the Earth's surface. Pilots report lightning flashes which start and terminate in clouds without ever going to ground. Presumably there are pockets of differing polarity at altitude and occasionally will be aligned in such a way that the lightning will come directly at the observer but be intercepted by the opposite polarity before it hits the observer, with only the high energy radiation to show for it. IOW - if the observer happened to be located in an airplane, so that both pockets of charge were aligned in his line of sight, he might never see the flash itself - only the radiation. The flash would be a small dot of light which would not stand out like a bolt would. Note: this is NOT a claim of factuality - simply a flash suggestion, so to speak. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/thunderstorms-contain- dark-lightning-invisible-pulses-of-powerful-radiation/2013/04/08/1c796ebc-8a 76-11e2-a051-6810d606108d_story.html Sometimes its flashes are invisible, just sudden pulses of unexpectedly powerful radiation.
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This study linked cosmic rays to creating clouds. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110824/full/news.2011.504.html I think the cosmic rays are micro black hole balls and strings removing entropy/cooling the surrounding atmospheric gas and creating the clouds and the electromagnetic charge(lightning) is created at the surface of the particles/ strings. The solar wind is streaming entropy towards Earth at all different energy levels. I think the sun is a Hydrogen collapser and string generator at her nucleus. Sunspots are cooler than their surrounding gas due to those strings. It is the quantum field we live in and it is lumpy and stringy and not very smooth at all. Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:49 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Streamers sounds like strings to me. As in String Theory. I think they create the low pressure as they suck entropy at their surface. They also shred atoms at their surface creating the EV/ball of electrons and possibly positrons neutrinos. You watch cirrus clouds closely, lots of little streamers proceeeding foul weather approaching, including ice halos, etc. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Ken shoulders has discovered something he call a black EV(a ball of electrons). The propagation of EVs through a gas atmosphere produces very thin, bright ion streamers in the gas or along the wall of the envelope. In an electrodeless device, other EVs may follow along the same sheath of an ion streamer formed by a preceding EV. The thickness of the ion sheath increases as multiple EVs propagate along the same streamer. If the gas pressure is very low, EVs will propagate without the formation of a visible streamer. Such are known as black EVs. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: The study of this phenomena will be interesting. I can imagine that a large lightning discharge would be proceeded by many small unsuccessful attempts. I do not recall a rule that states that once a charge movement is initiated that it must continue to a large conclusion. Perhaps the dark lightning is one of these smaller events that does not involve enough current to be visible. For my hypothesis to be possible it is necessary for the electric field to vary within a thunder cloud. This seems like a reasonable assumption. You need a relatively short space between the positive and negative charge carriers where an intense electric field resides. This field might be modulated by nearby discharges that lead to local intensification. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 10, 2013 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dark Lightning The first thing that came to mind for the missing bolt was Dirac reciprocal space. Can lightning sometimes end up in reciprocal space? If so, it should be some kind of Fourier transform. This site turned up: http://www.rodenburg.org/theory/Reciprocalspace20.html ... which is interesting, but another site other may actually give us a better and mundane explanation: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101223-lightning-x-rays-came ra-science-technology/ Which suggests that a lightning bolt carries almost all its x-ray radiation in its tip. Thus, if an observer saw only lots of x-rays and no flash of light, a plausible explanation is that the bolt was coming directing at the observer. Another observer located almost anywhere else far removed, could see the bolt from its side angle as a string-like bolt. But if that bolt is mostly in your line of sight, it would be mostly dark. OK, then why was the observer not fried by the bolt coming directly towards him - if the bolt was aligned in his direct line of sight? Although most lightning strikes do hit the ground or a structure on earth, some don't, especially at high altitude. Lightning is defined as a massive electrostatic discharge between electrically charged regions within clouds, or between a cloud and the Earth's surface. Pilots report lightning flashes which start and terminate in clouds without ever going to ground. Presumably there are pockets of differing polarity at altitude and occasionally will be aligned in such a way that the lightning will come directly at the observer but be intercepted by the opposite polarity before it hits the observer, with only the high energy radiation to show for it. IOW - if the observer happened to be located in an airplane, so that both pockets of charge were aligned in his line of sight, he might never see the flash itself - only the radiation. The flash would be a small dot of light which would not stand out like a bolt would. Note: this is NOT a claim of factuality - simply a flash suggestion, so to speak. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science
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did you ever read this... http://www.svn.net/krscfs/Black%20Holes%20as%20EVOs.pdf On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:59 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: This study linked cosmic rays to creating clouds. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110824/full/news.2011.504.html I think the cosmic rays are micro black hole balls and strings removing entropy/cooling the surrounding atmospheric gas and creating the clouds and the electromagnetic charge(lightning) is created at the surface of the particles/ strings. The solar wind is streaming entropy towards Earth at all different energy levels. I think the sun is a Hydrogen collapser and string generator at her nucleus. Sunspots are cooler than their surrounding gas due to those strings. It is the quantum field we live in and it is lumpy and stringy and not very smooth at all. Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:49 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Streamers sounds like strings to me. As in String Theory. I think they create the low pressure as they suck entropy at their surface. They also shred atoms at their surface creating the EV/ball of electrons and possibly positrons neutrinos. You watch cirrus clouds closely, lots of little streamers proceeeding foul weather approaching, including ice halos, etc. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Ken shoulders has discovered something he call a black EV(a ball of electrons). The propagation of EVs through a gas atmosphere produces very thin, bright ion streamers in the gas or along the wall of the envelope. In an electrodeless device, other EVs may follow along the same sheath of an ion streamer formed by a preceding EV. The thickness of the ion sheath increases as multiple EVs propagate along the same streamer. If the gas pressure is very low, EVs will propagate without the formation of a visible streamer. Such are known as black EVs. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: The study of this phenomena will be interesting. I can imagine that a large lightning discharge would be proceeded by many small unsuccessful attempts. I do not recall a rule that states that once a charge movement is initiated that it must continue to a large conclusion. Perhaps the dark lightning is one of these smaller events that does not involve enough current to be visible. For my hypothesis to be possible it is necessary for the electric field to vary within a thunder cloud. This seems like a reasonable assumption. You need a relatively short space between the positive and negative charge carriers where an intense electric field resides. This field might be modulated by nearby discharges that lead to local intensification. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 10, 2013 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dark Lightning The first thing that came to mind for the missing bolt was Dirac reciprocal space. Can lightning sometimes end up in reciprocal space? If so, it should be some kind of Fourier transform. This site turned up: http://www.rodenburg.org/theory/Reciprocalspace20.html ... which is interesting, but another site other may actually give us a better and mundane explanation: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101223-lightning-x-rays-came ra-science-technology/ Which suggests that a lightning bolt carries almost all its x-ray radiation in its tip. Thus, if an observer saw only lots of x-rays and no flash of light, a plausible explanation is that the bolt was coming directing at the observer. Another observer located almost anywhere else far removed, could see the bolt from its side angle as a string-like bolt. But if that bolt is mostly in your line of sight, it would be mostly dark. OK, then why was the observer not fried by the bolt coming directly towards him - if the bolt was aligned in his direct line of sight? Although most lightning strikes do hit the ground or a structure on earth, some don't, especially at high altitude. Lightning is defined as a massive electrostatic discharge between electrically charged regions within clouds, or between a cloud and the Earth's surface. Pilots report lightning flashes which start and terminate in clouds without ever going to ground. Presumably there are pockets of differing polarity at altitude and occasionally will be aligned in such a way that the lightning will come directly at the observer but be intercepted by the opposite polarity before it hits the observer, with only the high energy radiation to show for it. IOW - if the observer happened to be located in an airplane, so that both pockets of charge were aligned in his line of sight, he might never see the flash itself - only the radiation. The flash would be a small dot of light which would not stand out like a bolt would. Note
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No, but thanks for posting The problem I see launching a micro black hole/EV is that they are very squirrly, like ball lightning and obey HUP and can change momentum fast. But if there are strings throughout this planet and possibly throughout magnetic fields solar winds, that will be our ticket to ride... Stewart On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: did you ever read this... http://www.svn.net/krscfs/Black%20Holes%20as%20EVOs.pdf On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:59 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: This study linked cosmic rays to creating clouds. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110824/full/news.2011.504.html I think the cosmic rays are micro black hole balls and strings removing entropy/cooling the surrounding atmospheric gas and creating the clouds and the electromagnetic charge(lightning) is created at the surface of the particles/ strings. The solar wind is streaming entropy towards Earth at all different energy levels. I think the sun is a Hydrogen collapser and string generator at her nucleus. Sunspots are cooler than their surrounding gas due to those strings. It is the quantum field we live in and it is lumpy and stringy and not very smooth at all. Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:49 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Streamers sounds like strings to me. As in String Theory. I think they create the low pressure as they suck entropy at their surface. They also shred atoms at their surface creating the EV/ball of electrons and possibly positrons neutrinos. You watch cirrus clouds closely, lots of little streamers proceeeding foul weather approaching, including ice halos, etc. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Ken shoulders has discovered something he call a black EV(a ball of electrons). The propagation of EVs through a gas atmosphere produces very thin, bright ion streamers in the gas or along the wall of the envelope. In an electrodeless device, other EVs may follow along the same sheath of an ion streamer formed by a preceding EV. The thickness of the ion sheath increases as multiple EVs propagate along the same streamer. If the gas pressure is very low, EVs will propagate without the formation of a visible streamer. Such are known as black EVs. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: The study of this phenomena will be interesting. I can imagine that a large lightning discharge would be proceeded by many small unsuccessful attempts. I do not recall a rule that states that once a charge movement is initiated that it must continue to a large conclusion. Perhaps the dark lightning is one of these smaller events that does not involve enough current to be visible. For my hypothesis to be possible it is necessary for the electric field to vary within a thunder cloud. This seems like a reasonable assumption. You need a relatively short space between the positive and negative charge carriers where an intense electric field resides. This field might be modulated by nearby discharges that lead to local intensification. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 10, 2013 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dark Lightning The first thing that came to mind for the missing bolt was Dirac reciprocal space. Can lightning sometimes end up in reciprocal space? If so, it should be some kind of Fourier transform. This site turned up: http://www.rodenburg.org/theory/Reciprocalspace20.html ... which is interesting, but another site other may actually give us a better and mundane explanation: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101223-lightning-x-rays-came ra-science-technology/ Which suggests that a lightning bolt carries almost all its x-ray radiation in its tip. Thus, if an observer saw only lots of x-rays and no flash of light, a plausible explanation is that the bolt was coming directing at the observer. Another observer located almost anywhere else far removed, could see the bolt from its side angle as a string-like bolt. But if that bolt is mostly in your line of sight, it would be mostly dark. OK, then why was the observer not fried by the bolt coming directly towards him - if the bolt was aligned in his direct line of sight? Although most lightning strikes do hit the ground or a structure on earth, some don't, especially at high altitude. Lightning is defined as a massive electrostatic discharge between electrically charged regions within clouds, or between a cloud and the Earth's surface. Pilots report lightning flashes which start and terminate in clouds without ever going to ground. Presumably there are pockets of differing polarity at altitude and occasionally will be aligned in such a way that the lightning will come directly at the observer
