Re: Horrible Catalina

[kalock]

I am still running Sierra on a number of iMacs.  No problems with what I do 
with them.

In the early 1960s whilst teaching in PNG, I had several flights in a Catalina. 
 The only updates I could see was the removal of the weaponry.  Beautiful 
machine!

Kev



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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 1 May 2020, at 8:57 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Peter. I don't think I have ever launched Numbers in my life. 
> I must take a look for my curiosity.  
> 
> 

Just don’t expect to run it like Excel. It uses the concept of Tables within 
Worksheets, so you can keep all your associated data nice and discreet. You can 
have multiple worksheets, of course, but multiple tables within each worksheet. 
You can also refrence data cells between tables as well as worksheets, just as 
in Excel. 

Numbers doesn’t support pivot tables, but it does have categories and summary 
fields, which gives you the same effect. So many other differences.


Enjoy.



Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Crisp]

Ok thanks Peter. I see now two options available for the 32 bit check.
Will take a look to see what I have at risk of 32 bit programs. 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Fri, 1 May 2020 07:55:51 +0800
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

On 30 Apr 2020, at 12:32 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Thanks Stephen for this and the other email on the Office link. I
presume there is a way to screen all applications installed to confirm
the 32bit/64bit compatibility as a predecessor before deciding to
launch into Catalina update.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

The System Report in MacOS gives you a guide, but by far the best
resource is Go64 from St Clair Software
https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/ [2]
This program scans your computer and shows a list of all software on
your computer. You can clearly see which apps are 64 bit and which are
32 bit, but it goes so much further than that. It also shows a list of
software which is “mostly” 64 bit, but may have problems because
of some components which may be 32 bit. In other words, the programs
will launch, but certain activities may wither fail or even cause the
software ot crash.
Go64 bit also has a delete function, letting you remove 32 -bit
software on the fly, rather than having to make a note of it and look
for it afterwards. Handy as a clean up tool even after installing
Catalina.
These are just a few of its functions. Did I mention it’s free
(donationware)? 
Well worth the download.
 Kind regards,
Peter Hinchliffe    Apwin Computer ServicesFileMaker Pro
Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482    Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.  


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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for that Peter. I don't think I have ever launched Numbers in
my life. I must take a look for my curiosity.  

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Fri, 1 May 2020 08:09:20 +0800
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

On 30 Apr 2020, at 3:05 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
Hi Peter,

 I must admit that, like you, I stayed away from subscription
software until very recently – I just wanted a one-off purchase that
I could use until it either stopped working or a new version had a
“must-have” feature – and I think Apple introducing Time Machine
was the last time I thought a new feature was must-have  ;o)

 However when I recently, finally, moved up from Snow Leopard I had
to say goodbye to Office 2004!

Like you, I resist subscription software as much as possible, but I
did bite the bullet with Office 365 and, like you, appreciate the
benefits. The one subscription lets me use it legally on all of my
computers, and even in Windows running under Parallels desktop.
I’d rather not use Microsoft Office at all, but I’m realistic
enough to know that it’s a necessary evil. I use it mainly to open
Office documents. While many other programs also open Office documents
such as Pages, Numbers, etc, sometimes the only way you can see the
document as it was intended is to open it in Office itself.
For document creation I pretty much always use Pages and Numbers. I
find Numbers to be an extremely capable and highly underrated
spreadsheet application. It certainly doesn’t do everything that
Excel does (and the Mac version of Excel doesn’t do everything the
Windows version does!) but Numbers does some very useful things that
leave Excel in the dust when it comes to efficiency and presentation.
I do wish Apple would pay more attention to it.
 Kind regards,
Peter Hinchliffe    Apwin Computer ServicesFileMaker Pro
Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482    Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.  


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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 30 Apr 2020, at 3:05 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
>  
> I must admit that, like you, I stayed away from subscription software until 
> very recently – I just wanted a one-off purchase that I could use until it 
> either stopped working or a new version had a “must-have” feature – and I 
> think Apple introducing Time Machine was the last time I thought a new 
> feature was must-have  ;o)
>  
> However when I recently, finally, moved up from Snow Leopard I had to say 
> goodbye to Office 2004!

Like you, I resist subscription software as much as possible, but I did bite 
the bullet with Office 365 and, like you, appreciate the benefits. The one 
subscription lets me use it legally on all of my computers, and even in Windows 
running under Parallels desktop.

I’d rather not use Microsoft Office at all, but I’m realistic enough to know 
that it’s a necessary evil. I use it mainly to open Office documents. While 
many other programs also open Office documents such as Pages, Numbers, etc, 
sometimes the only way you can see the document as it was intended is to open 
it in Office itself.

For document creation I pretty much always use Pages and Numbers. I find 
Numbers to be an extremely capable and highly underrated spreadsheet 
application. It certainly doesn’t do everything that Excel does (and the Mac 
version of Excel doesn’t do everything the Windows version does!) but Numbers 
does some very useful things that leave Excel in the dust when it comes to 
efficiency and presentation. I do wish Apple would pay more attention to it.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 30 Apr 2020, at 12:32 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Stephen for this and the other email on the Office link. I presume 
> there is a way to screen all applications installed to confirm the 
> 32bit/64bit compatibility as a predecessor before deciding to launch into 
> Catalina update.
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 


The System Report in MacOS gives you a guide, but by far the best resource is 
Go64 from St Clair Software

https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/ 

This program scans your computer and shows a list of all software on your 
computer. You can clearly see which apps are 64 bit and which are 32 bit, but 
it goes so much further than that. It also shows a list of software which is 
“mostly” 64 bit, but may have problems because of some components which may be 
32 bit. In other words, the programs will launch, but certain activities may 
wither fail or even cause the software ot crash.

Go64 bit also has a delete function, letting you remove 32 -bit software on the 
fly, rather than having to make a note of it and look for it afterwards. Handy 
as a clean up tool even after installing Catalina.

These are just a few of its functions. Did I mention it’s free (donationware)? 

Well worth the download.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Crisp]

Yes, thanks Neil, spot on it comes down to what suits the user. My
dear departed Dad was a strong Office 365 proponent too but he was
exclusively using his Mac and for the reasons you mention, it suited
his lifestyle well too.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"wamug@wamug.org.au" 
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:05:38 +0800
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

Hi Peter,

 

I must admit that, like you, I stayed away from subscription software
until very recently – I just wanted a one-off purchase that I could
use until it either stopped working or a new version had a
“must-have” feature – and I think Apple introducing Time Machine
was the last time I thought a new feature was must-have  ;o)

 

However when I recently, finally, moved up from Snow Leopard I had to
say goodbye to Office 2004!

 

After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I finally bit the bullet
and went to Office 365 and, I must admit, I am actually glad I did –
although I do renew every year by buying Office 365 from Officeworks
(and just applying this to my existing account) which is always
cheaper than MS auto-renew price. I guess there are a few factors for
me:

 

* I use a LOT of Excel spreadsheets/workbooks and I really want/need
to stick with Excel rather than any spreadsheet alternative.

* Georgina is on the Albany Hospice board and still has to
collaboratively deal with Word documents.

* One subscription covers both Georgina and myself and we each get
our 1TB OneDrive storage included

* With just one subscription, It all integrates well between several
computers, iPads etc

* I don’t have to worry about whether I need to buy new updates –
they are included with the subscription

* Being retired, we no longer have work computer(s) as an alternative

 

I realise that is just what suits me and that your situation is
different, particularly if you rarely use Office programs, but I just
thought I’d relay my experience.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

FROM:  on behalf of Peter Crisp 
REPLY-TO: 
DATE: Wednesday, 29 April 2020 at 17:22
TO: 
SUBJECT: Re: Horrible Catalina

 

Righto, thanks for that link Ronni. For a number of reasons in
reading through the link, I can see no reason for me to update to
Catalina yet - if ever. Currently I have an old (but still
functioning) MS Office for Mac 2011 which is useful for whenever I do
have an Office file, but I don't use it often and have alternatives
with my Work Windows laptop. The removal of iTunes. I didn't explore
that but it seems pretty large in impact. Presumably there are
precautions to take. But for the moment, with my perfectly functioning
Macbook Pro 2013 running High Sierra, it is all good. 

 

All I have to remind me is a constant red dot over App store saying I
have an OSX update I 'should' do. 

 

Will look into the iTunes things some time. 

 

I also think there is no longer available a localized installation
for Office 2016 or later and we now have to resort to the constant
funding model the software developers want us to use with annual fees
- Office 365 as an example. I may use Word or Excel up to 5 times in
any one year. It really doesn't make sense to fund an annual
subscription for one machine when I have alternatives. I know my case
is unique to me and others will be solely reliant on their Mac's, so
then it is justifiable for them. 

 

Kind Regards

 

 

Peter Crisp

 

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FROM:

wamug@wamug.org.au

 

TO:

CC:

 

SENT:

Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:51:02 +0800

SUBJECT:

    Re: Horrible Catalina

Hi Pat,

 


https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update
[1]

 

‘Apple’s latest Mac update, macOS Catalina [2], was released
earlier this week, and with it came a flurry of complications both
minor and major. 

For one, this update is the first for Apple to drop 32-bit
application support, which is causing all sorts of headaches for users
of smaller apps, plug-ins, and other software that may not be updated
for quite some time or may have been created by a company that no
longer exists. There are also a fair number of other issues with
Catalina, like Adobe software incompatibility problems and unforeseen
hurdles related to the removal of iTunes. 

That leads us to a series of important questions for Mac users who
may be at risk of having important workflows disrupted by Catalina.
What exactly might go wrong if you do upgrade? Should you upgrade now,
and what should you do before pulling t

Re: Horrible Catalina

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Peter,

 

I must admit that, like you, I stayed away from subscription software until 
very recently – I just wanted a one-off purchase that I could use until it 
either stopped working or a new version had a “must-have” feature – and I think 
Apple introducing Time Machine was the last time I thought a new feature was 
must-have  ;o)

 

However when I recently, finally, moved up from Snow Leopard I had to say 
goodbye to Office 2004!

 

After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I finally bit the bullet and went to 
Office 365 and, I must admit, I am actually glad I did – although I do renew 
every year by buying Office 365 from Officeworks (and just applying this to my 
existing account) which is always cheaper than MS auto-renew price. I guess 
there are a few factors for me:

 
I use a LOT of Excel spreadsheets/workbooks and I really want/need to stick 
with Excel rather than any spreadsheet alternative.
Georgina is on the Albany Hospice board and still has to collaboratively deal 
with Word documents.
One subscription covers both Georgina and myself and we each get our 1TB 
OneDrive storage included
With just one subscription, It all integrates well between several computers, 
iPads etc
I don’t have to worry about whether I need to buy new updates – they are 
included with the subscription
Being retired, we no longer have work computer(s) as an alternative
 

I realise that is just what suits me and that your situation is different, 
particularly if you rarely use Office programs, but I just thought I’d relay my 
experience.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

From:  on behalf of Peter Crisp 

Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, 29 April 2020 at 17:22
To: 
Subject: Re: Horrible Catalina

 

Righto, thanks for that link Ronni. For a number of reasons in reading through 
the link, I can see no reason for me to update to Catalina yet - if ever. 
Currently I have an old (but still functioning) MS Office for Mac 2011 which is 
useful for whenever I do have an Office file, but I don't use it often and have 
alternatives with my Work Windows laptop. The removal of iTunes. I didn't 
explore that but it seems pretty large in impact. Presumably there are 
precautions to take. But for the moment, with my perfectly functioning Macbook 
Pro 2013 running High Sierra, it is all good. 

 

All I have to remind me is a constant red dot over App store saying I have an 
OSX update I 'should' do. 

 

Will look into the iTunes things some time. 

 

I also think there is no longer available a localized installation for Office 
2016 or later and we now have to resort to the constant funding model the 
software developers want us to use with annual fees - Office 365 as an example. 
I may use Word or Excel up to 5 times in any one year. It really doesn't make 
sense to fund an annual subscription for one machine when I have alternatives. 
I know my case is unique to me and others will be solely reliant on their 
Mac's, so then it is justifiable for them. 

 

Kind Regards

 

 

Peter Crisp

 


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From:

wamug@wamug.org.au

 

To:



Cc:

 

Sent:

Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:51:02 +0800

Subject:

Re: Horrible Catalina

Hi Pat,

 

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update

 

‘Apple’s latest Mac update, macOS Catalina, was released earlier this week, and 
with it came a flurry of complications both minor and major. 

For one, this update is the first for Apple to drop 32-bit application support, 
which is causing all sorts of headaches for users of smaller apps, plug-ins, 
and other software that may not be updated for quite some time or may have been 
created by a company that no longer exists. There are also a fair number of 
other issues with Catalina, like Adobe software incompatibility problems and 
unforeseen hurdles related to the removal of iTunes. 

That leads us to a series of important questions for Mac users who may be at 
risk of having important workflows disrupted by Catalina. What exactly might go 
wrong if you do upgrade? Should you upgrade now, and what should you do before 
pulling the trigger?

 Or should you hold off for now, and if so, what’s the best way to do that and 
also monitor when it might be safe to make the jump?’

Kind Regards,

Ronni

 

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 

 

 

On 29 Apr 2020, at 4:42 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

Hi Pat, sorry to hear this. I had heard of some troubles from people on the 
WAMUG upon the initial release of Catalina but nothing of late. Your note comes 
out of the blue for WAMUG I think. Can you be specific about the issues you;re 
having?  I am holding off doing my update to Catalina simply because I hadn't 
had the time to research if the early issues had been resolved or not. Do 
others have any first hand user experience about it's use and issues they have 
had. 

 

Is there anyone else recommending to NOT install Catalina at this time?

 

 

Kind

Re: Horrible Catalina

[Stephen Chape]

Yep.

Click on the Apple Logo in top left of screen.
Then "About This Mac”
Then “System Report”
Then under “Software" click on “Applications”
Select each Application and look for “Kind”

A bit time consuming to check every one.
But I don’t know of a quicker way.

> On 30 Apr 2020, at 12:32 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Stephen for this and the other email on the Office link. I presume 
> there is a way to screen all applications installed to confirm the 
> 32bit/64bit compatibility as a predecessor before deciding to launch into 
> Catalina update.
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:19:24 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Horrible Catalina
> 
> 
> Yes Peter.
> 
> I have not had any issues.
> It is possible that Office 2011 may have because Microsoft stopped supporting 
> it about 18 months ago.
> But I spent quite a bit of time (well before Catalina release) identifying 
> all my 32 bit software on my iMac.
> Then set about either updating them or replacing them.
> 
> On 30 Apr 2020, at 10:51 am, Peter Crisp  <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen, thanks for that. I presume then that Office 2016 is compatible 
> and stable enough with Catalina OS? 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:20:00 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Horrible Catalina
> 
> 
> My wife and I have both been on Catalina since about 2 weeks after release.
> I find it very stable and have no issues at all.
> 
> But I made sure for some time prior that I gradually upgraded any 32 bit Apps 
> to 64 bit.
> Or I replaced them with something else.
> So when we moved to Catalina it went quite smoothly.
> 
> PS: I downloaded a genuine MS Office 2016 (with license) foe $110.00.
> But I tend to do a lot of research before diving into anything.
> 
> On 30 Apr 2020, at 9:07 am, Peter Crisp  <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill, thanks for that response. It triggered me into looking at the 
> availability of MS Office for a once off purchase. I see Office 2019 is also 
> available for once off purchase. I don't want to go down the Office 365 
> route. All I could see was the single user licence. Do MS still do the 5 user 
> licence for MS Office once off purchase? I thought that Office 2011 would be 
> incompatible with Catalina (being the 64 bit requirement). 
> 
> Does anyone have any guidance for a Once off purchased MS Office (Multi 
> licence) that is Catalina compatible?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:23:45 +1000
> Subject:
> Re: Horrible Catalina
> 
> 
> Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina but a 
> few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.
> Regards Bill K
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell  <mailto:clamsh...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> Hi, Alan,
> 
> It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am trying to 
> do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus around causes the 
> interface to switch to another, random location, or go totally blank. And, I 
> have 2 small Western Digital external disks. On the previous IOS, they showed 
> up on the desktop — now they don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I 
> have more gripes about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.
> 
> Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User Groups.
> Cheers,
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith  <mailto:sma...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Pat
> 
> Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one day!  In 
> the meantime - - -.
> 
> AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
> 
>   https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/ 
> <https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/>
> 
>  Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
> 
>   http://www.apple-q.org.au <http://www.apple-q.org.au/>
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  <mailto:clamsh...@iinet.net.au>

Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Stephen for this and the other email on the Office link. I
presume there is a way to screen all applications installed to confirm
the 32bit/64bit compatibility as a predecessor before deciding to
launch into Catalina update.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:19:24 +0800
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

 Yes Peter.
I have not had any issues.It is possible that Office 2011 may have
because Microsoft stopped supporting it about 18 months ago.But I
spent quite a bit of time (well before Catalina release) identifying
all my 32 bit software on my iMac.Then set about either updating them
or replacing them.

On 30 Apr 2020, at 10:51 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Hi Stephen, thanks for that. I presume then that Office 2016 is
compatible and stable enough with Catalina OS? 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au [2]
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:20:00 +0800
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

 My wife and I have both been on Catalina since about 2 weeks after
release.I find it very stable and have no issues at all.
But I made sure for some time prior that I gradually upgraded any 32
bit Apps to 64 bit.Or I replaced them with something else.So when we
moved to Catalina it went quite smoothly.
PS: I downloaded a genuine MS Office 2016 (with license) foe
$110.00.But I tend to do a lot of research before diving into
anything.

On 30 Apr 2020, at 9:07 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Hi Bill, thanks for that response. It triggered me into looking at the
availability of MS Office for a once off purchase. I see Office 2019
is also available for once off purchase. I don't want to go down the
Office 365 route. All I could see was the single user licence. Do MS
still do the 5 user licence for MS Office once off purchase? I thought
that Office 2011 would be incompatible with Catalina (being the 64 bit
requirement). 
Does anyone have any guidance for a Once off purchased MS Office
(Multi licence) that is Catalina compatible?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au [5]
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:23:45 +1000
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina
but a few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.Regards
Bill K
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell  wrote:
Hi, Alan,
It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am
trying to do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus
around causes the interface to switch to another, random location, or
go totally blank. And, I have 2 small Western Digital external disks.
On the previous IOS, they showed up on the desktop — now they
don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I have more gripes
about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.
Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User
Groups.Cheers,Pat

On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith  wrote:

Hi Pat
Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one
day!  In the meantime - - -.
AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
  https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/ [9]
 Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
  http://www.apple-q.org.au [10]
CheersAlan

On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  wrote:
 Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My
computer didn’t catch up with me for several of those months.  When
I finally cranked it up and pushed the Start button, there was
Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it is as good as its predecessor.
But, I was in for shock after shock. To  put it  in straight words:
I Hate Catalina.  There are so many horrible changes; what has Apple
been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that doesn’t
warrant the  infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.

Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon? 
And does anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 

I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.

Stay safe and warm,
Pat Scott

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Stephen Chape]

Hi again Peter.

The seller was called Lenshop and it was through eBay.
See below.

 
Microsoft Office 2016 Home and Business 1 MAC -... 
<https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11401.m1842.l5919/7?euid=801a491c79f94e5a9724114d7d959449=43868352046=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fvod%3Fitemid%3D122707141671%26transid%3D1844840475002=bu=bu>
Item ID: 122707141671
Quantity: 1
Estimated delivery: Tue. 26 Sep. - Thu. 28 Sep.
Paid: AU $105.00 with PayPal
Seller: lenshop 
<https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11401.m1842.l1181/7?euid=801a491c79f94e5a9724114d7d959449=43868352046=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fusr%2Flenshop=bu=bu>.












> On 30 Apr 2020, at 11:19 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Yes Peter.
> 
> I have not had any issues.
> It is possible that Office 2011 may have because Microsoft stopped supporting 
> it about 18 months ago.
> But I spent quite a bit of time (well before Catalina release) identifying 
> all my 32 bit software on my iMac.
> Then set about either updating them or replacing them.
> 
>> On 30 Apr 2020, at 10:51 am, Peter Crisp > <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stephen, thanks for that. I presume then that Office 2016 is compatible 
>> and stable enough with Catalina OS? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>
>> To:
>> "WAMUG Mailing List" mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:20:00 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: Horrible Catalina
>> 
>> 
>> My wife and I have both been on Catalina since about 2 weeks after release.
>> I find it very stable and have no issues at all.
>> 
>> But I made sure for some time prior that I gradually upgraded any 32 bit 
>> Apps to 64 bit.
>> Or I replaced them with something else.
>> So when we moved to Catalina it went quite smoothly.
>> 
>> PS: I downloaded a genuine MS Office 2016 (with license) foe $110.00.
>> But I tend to do a lot of research before diving into anything.
>> 
>> On 30 Apr 2020, at 9:07 am, Peter Crisp > <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bill, thanks for that response. It triggered me into looking at the 
>> availability of MS Office for a once off purchase. I see Office 2019 is also 
>> available for once off purchase. I don't want to go down the Office 365 
>> route. All I could see was the single user licence. Do MS still do the 5 
>> user licence for MS Office once off purchase? I thought that Office 2011 
>> would be incompatible with Catalina (being the 64 bit requirement). 
>> 
>> Does anyone have any guidance for a Once off purchased MS Office (Multi 
>> licence) that is Catalina compatible?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>
>> To:
>> "WAMUG Mailing List" mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:23:45 +1000
>> Subject:
>> Re: Horrible Catalina
>> 
>> 
>> Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina but a 
>> few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.
>> Regards Bill K
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell > <mailto:clamsh...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>> Hi, Alan,
>> 
>> It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am trying to 
>> do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus around causes 
>> the interface to switch to another, random location, or go totally blank. 
>> And, I have 2 small Western Digital external disks. On the previous IOS, 
>> they showed up on the desktop — now they don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t 
>> eject them.  I have more gripes about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on 
>> you.
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User Groups.
>> Cheers,
>> Pat
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith > <mailto:sma...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Pat
>> 
>> Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one day!  In 
>> the meantime - - -.
>> 
>> AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
>> 
>>   https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/ 
>> <https://www.appleusers.org/mug-

Re: Horrible Catalina

[Stephen Chape]

Yes Peter.

I have not had any issues.
It is possible that Office 2011 may have because Microsoft stopped supporting 
it about 18 months ago.
But I spent quite a bit of time (well before Catalina release) identifying all 
my 32 bit software on my iMac.
Then set about either updating them or replacing them.

> On 30 Apr 2020, at 10:51 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen, thanks for that. I presume then that Office 2016 is compatible 
> and stable enough with Catalina OS? 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:20:00 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Horrible Catalina
> 
> 
> My wife and I have both been on Catalina since about 2 weeks after release.
> I find it very stable and have no issues at all.
> 
> But I made sure for some time prior that I gradually upgraded any 32 bit Apps 
> to 64 bit.
> Or I replaced them with something else.
> So when we moved to Catalina it went quite smoothly.
> 
> PS: I downloaded a genuine MS Office 2016 (with license) foe $110.00.
> But I tend to do a lot of research before diving into anything.
> 
> On 30 Apr 2020, at 9:07 am, Peter Crisp  <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill, thanks for that response. It triggered me into looking at the 
> availability of MS Office for a once off purchase. I see Office 2019 is also 
> available for once off purchase. I don't want to go down the Office 365 
> route. All I could see was the single user licence. Do MS still do the 5 user 
> licence for MS Office once off purchase? I thought that Office 2011 would be 
> incompatible with Catalina (being the 64 bit requirement). 
> 
> Does anyone have any guidance for a Once off purchased MS Office (Multi 
> licence) that is Catalina compatible?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:23:45 +1000
> Subject:
> Re: Horrible Catalina
> 
> 
> Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina but a 
> few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.
> Regards Bill K
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell  <mailto:clamsh...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> Hi, Alan,
> 
> It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am trying to 
> do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus around causes the 
> interface to switch to another, random location, or go totally blank. And, I 
> have 2 small Western Digital external disks. On the previous IOS, they showed 
> up on the desktop — now they don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I 
> have more gripes about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.
> 
> Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User Groups.
> Cheers,
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith  <mailto:sma...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Pat
> 
> Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one day!  In 
> the meantime - - -.
> 
> AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
> 
>   https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/ 
> <https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/>
> 
>  Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
> 
>   http://www.apple-q.org.au <http://www.apple-q.org.au/>
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  <mailto:clamsh...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> 
> Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer didn’t 
> catch up with me for several of those months.  When I finally cranked it up 
> and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it 
> is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. To  put 
> it  in straight words: I Hate Catalina.  There are so many horrible changes; 
> what has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that 
> doesn’t warrant the  infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.
> 
> Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon?  And does 
> anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 
> 
> I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.
> 
> Stay safe and warm,
> Pat Scott
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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Stephen, thanks for that. I presume then that Office 2016 is
compatible and stable enough with Catalina OS? 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:20:00 +0800
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

 My wife and I have both been on Catalina since about 2 weeks after
release.I find it very stable and have no issues at all.
But I made sure for some time prior that I gradually upgraded any 32
bit Apps to 64 bit.Or I replaced them with something else.So when we
moved to Catalina it went quite smoothly.
PS: I downloaded a genuine MS Office 2016 (with license) foe
$110.00.But I tend to do a lot of research before diving into
anything.

On 30 Apr 2020, at 9:07 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Hi Bill, thanks for that response. It triggered me into looking at the
availability of MS Office for a once off purchase. I see Office 2019
is also available for once off purchase. I don't want to go down the
Office 365 route. All I could see was the single user licence. Do MS
still do the 5 user licence for MS Office once off purchase? I thought
that Office 2011 would be incompatible with Catalina (being the 64 bit
requirement). 
Does anyone have any guidance for a Once off purchased MS Office
(Multi licence) that is Catalina compatible?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au [2]
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:23:45 +1000
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina
but a few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.Regards
Bill K
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell  wrote:
Hi, Alan,
It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am
trying to do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus
around causes the interface to switch to another, random location, or
go totally blank. And, I have 2 small Western Digital external disks.
On the previous IOS, they showed up on the desktop — now they
don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I have more gripes
about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.
Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User
Groups.Cheers,Pat

On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith  wrote:

Hi Pat
Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one
day!  In the meantime - - -.
AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
  https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/ [6]
 Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
  http://www.apple-q.org.au [7]
CheersAlan

On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  wrote:
 Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My
computer didn’t catch up with me for several of those months.  When
I finally cranked it up and pushed the Start button, there was
Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it is as good as its predecessor.
But, I was in for shock after shock. To  put it  in straight words:
I Hate Catalina.  There are so many horrible changes; what has Apple
been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that doesn’t
warrant the  infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.

Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon? 
And does anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 

I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.

Stay safe and warm,
Pat Scott

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Stephen Chape]

My wife and I have both been on Catalina since about 2 weeks after release.
I find it very stable and have no issues at all.

But I made sure for some time prior that I gradually upgraded any 32 bit Apps 
to 64 bit.
Or I replaced them with something else.
So when we moved to Catalina it went quite smoothly.

PS: I downloaded a genuine MS Office 2016 (with license) foe $110.00.
But I tend to do a lot of research before diving into anything.

> On 30 Apr 2020, at 9:07 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill, thanks for that response. It triggered me into looking at the 
> availability of MS Office for a once off purchase. I see Office 2019 is also 
> available for once off purchase. I don't want to go down the Office 365 
> route. All I could see was the single user licence. Do MS still do the 5 user 
> licence for MS Office once off purchase? I thought that Office 2011 would be 
> incompatible with Catalina (being the 64 bit requirement). 
> 
> Does anyone have any guidance for a Once off purchased MS Office (Multi 
> licence) that is Catalina compatible?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:23:45 +1000
> Subject:
> Re: Horrible Catalina
> 
> 
> Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina but a 
> few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.
> Regards Bill K
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell  <mailto:clamsh...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> Hi, Alan,
> 
> It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am trying to 
> do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus around causes the 
> interface to switch to another, random location, or go totally blank. And, I 
> have 2 small Western Digital external disks. On the previous IOS, they showed 
> up on the desktop — now they don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I 
> have more gripes about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.
> 
> Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User Groups.
> Cheers,
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith  <mailto:sma...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Pat
> 
> Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one day!  In 
> the meantime - - -.
> 
> AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
> 
>   https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/ 
> <https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/>
> 
>  Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
> 
>   http://www.apple-q.org.au <http://www.apple-q.org.au/>
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  <mailto:clamsh...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> 
> Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer didn’t 
> catch up with me for several of those months.  When I finally cranked it up 
> and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it 
> is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. To  put 
> it  in straight words: I Hate Catalina.  There are so many horrible changes; 
> what has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that 
> doesn’t warrant the  infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.
> 
> Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon?  And does 
> anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 
> 
> I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.
> 
> Stay safe and warm,
> Pat Scott
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Hi Bill, thanks for that response. It triggered me into looking at the
availability of MS Office for a once off purchase. I see Office 2019
is also available for once off purchase. I don't want to go down the
Office 365 route. All I could see was the single user licence. Do MS
still do the 5 user licence for MS Office once off purchase? I thought
that Office 2011 would be incompatible with Catalina (being the 64 bit
requirement). 
Does anyone have any guidance for a Once off purchased MS Office
(Multi licence) that is Catalina compatible?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:23:45 +1000
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina
but a few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.Regards
Bill K
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell  wrote:
Hi, Alan,
It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am
trying to do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus
around causes the interface to switch to another, random location, or
go totally blank. And, I have 2 small Western Digital external disks.
On the previous IOS, they showed up on the desktop — now they
don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I have more gripes
about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.
Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User
Groups.Cheers,Pat

On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith  wrote:

Hi Pat
Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one
day!  In the meantime - - -.
AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
  https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/ [3]
 Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
  http://www.apple-q.org.au [4]
CheersAlan

On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  wrote:
 Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My
computer didn’t catch up with me for several of those months.  When
I finally cranked it up and pushed the Start button, there was
Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it is as good as its predecessor.
But, I was in for shock after shock. To  put it  in straight words:
I Hate Catalina.  There are so many horrible changes; what has Apple
been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that doesn’t
warrant the  infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.

Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon? 
And does anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 

I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.

Stay safe and warm,
Pat Scott

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Alan Smith]

Hi Pat

Some suggestions:

1.  Ensure you have the latest Catalina version (macOS 10.15.4) installed.   
What was your previous OS?  Did it update from Mojave or Sierra or ---?

2.  Are you using USB or Bluetooth for the Wacom tablet?  There may be a common 
USB issue if tablet and external drives are all affected.  Can you access data 
on both external drives?  

3.  Check external disks visibility is turned “on” in Finder > Preferences > 
General to show items on desktop.

4.  Check external disks visible in Finder Sidebar via Finder > Preferences > 
Sidebar.

5.  Use Disk Utility with “View - show all devices”.  This should show all 
mountable drives and their status.

6.  Have you tried SMC and NVRAM resets?  And the good old computer Restart has 
fixed many odd problems.  

Cheeers
Alan 



> On 30 Apr 2020, at 7:23 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
> 
> Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina but a 
> few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.
> Regards Bill K
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell  > wrote:
> Hi, Alan,
> 
> It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am trying to 
> do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus around causes the 
> interface to switch to another, random location, or go totally blank. And, I 
> have 2 small Western Digital external disks. On the previous IOS, they showed 
> up on the desktop — now they don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I 
> have more gripes about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.
> 
> Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User Groups.
> Cheers,
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith > > wrote:
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>> 
>> Hi Pat
>> 
>> Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one day!  In 
>> the meantime - - -.
>> 
>> AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
>> 
>>   https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/ 
>> 
>> 
>>  Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
>> 
>>   http://www.apple-q.org.au 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer 
>>> didn’t catch up with me for several of those months.  When I finally 
>>> cranked it up and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I 
>>> thought, I hope it is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock 
>>> after shock. To  put it  in straight words: I Hate Catalina.  There are so 
>>> many horrible changes; what has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac 
>>> virus problem, but that doesn’t warrant the  infliction of Catalina on 
>>> unsuspecting computers.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon?  And does 
>>> anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 
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>>> I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.
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>>> Stay safe and warm,
>>> Pat Scott
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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 30 Apr 2020, at 6:05 am, clamshell  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Alan,
> 
> It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am trying to 
> do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus around causes the 
> interface to switch to another, random location, or go totally blank. And, I 
> have 2 small Western Digital external disks. On the previous IOS, they showed 
> up on the desktop — now they don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I 
> have more gripes about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.
> 
> Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User Groups.
> Cheers,
> Pat
> 
> 

From a Finder window, have you checked Finder > Preferences > General? Not 
having Catalina yet either I’m not 100% sure of my ground here, but I’m 
assuming things haven’t changed THAT much, but there should be a checkbox 
allowing you to show a number of items on the desktop. You’ll see Hard disks at 
the top of the list.

Things have been extremely quiet on the Catalina from ever since it was 
released. I don’t know whether this is because nobody is downloading it or 
everyone who has is happy with it. I do know that Adam Engst from Tidbits was 
forced to move to Catalina after a recent SSD failure. Like the rest of us he 
was waiting for the “right” time, but since upgrading he seems to have no 
complaints.

Still thinking about it, but my Mojave frying pan is working so well I don’t 
want to go jumping into any fires...

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Juliet Kitson]

Office 2016 is available from software giants will run ok on Catalina but a
few functions are much harder to do compared to 2011.
Regards Bill K

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM clamshell  wrote:

> Hi, Alan,
>
> It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am trying
> to do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus around
> causes the interface to switch to another, random location, or go totally
> blank. And, I have 2 small Western Digital external disks. On the previous
> IOS, they showed up on the desktop — now they don’t. What’s worse is, I
> can’t eject them.  I have more gripes about Catalina, but I wont inflict
> them on you.
>
> Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User Groups.
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
>
>
>
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith  wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Pat
>
> Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one day!
> In the meantime - - -.
>
> AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland.
>
>   https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/
>
>  Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
>
>   http://www.apple-q.org.au
>
> Cheers
> Alan
>
>
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  wrote:
>
> Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer
> didn’t catch up with me for several of those months.  When I finally
> cranked it up and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I
> thought, I hope it is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock
> after shock. To  put it  in straight words: I Hate Catalina.  There are so
> many horrible changes; what has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac
> virus problem, but that doesn’t warrant the  infliction of Catalina on
> unsuspecting computers.
>
> Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon?  And does
> anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane?
>
> I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.
>
> Stay safe and warm,
> Pat Scott
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Re: Horrible Catalina

[clamshell]

Hi, Alan,

It’s not just disliking Catalina; it is interfering with what I am trying to 
do. I use a Wacom tablet and stylus. Just moving the stylus around causes the 
interface to switch to another, random location, or go totally blank. And, I 
have 2 small Western Digital external disks. On the previous IOS, they showed 
up on the desktop — now they don’t. What’s worse is, I can’t eject them.  I 
have more gripes about Catalina, but I wont inflict them on you.

Anyway, thanks very much for the links to the Queensland User Groups.
Cheers,
Pat




> On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:03, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Pat
> 
> Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one day!  In 
> the meantime - - -.
> 
> AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 
> 
>   https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/
> 
>  Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:
> 
>   http://www.apple-q.org.au
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  wrote:
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>>  Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer 
>> didn’t catch up with me for several of those months.  When I finally cranked 
>> it up and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I 
>> hope it is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. 
>> To  put it  in straight words: I Hate Catalina.  There are so many horrible 
>> changes; what has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, 
>> but that doesn’t warrant the  infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting 
>> computers.
>> 
>> Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon?  And does 
>> anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 
>> 
>> I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.
>> 
>> Stay safe and warm,
>> Pat Scott
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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Tim Law]

Peter I was initially nervous about ditching Word and Excel; and certainly was 
never going to pay for them. I have found Pages and Numbers to be perfectly 
suitable for the rare occasions I need to open a word or excel file.

I’ve found alternatives to the other 32 bit software that I really needed, and 
realised I never used most of them anyway when they died with Catalina. 

I know I’m an early adopter and enthusiastically embrace the next big new 
thing. Then troubleshoot my way around whatever that rash decision has 
presented. 

I know that’s not for everyone 

Regards
Tim

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 29 Apr 2020, at 5:38 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Like you Peter, I’m keeping both my Mac computers running High Sierra and I 
> see no reason for me to upgrade at this time.
> High Sierra is a very secure and stable OS.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni 
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 5:20 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>> Righto, thanks for that link Ronni. For a number of reasons in reading 
>> through the link, I can see no reason for me to update to Catalina yet - if 
>> ever. Currently I have an old (but still functioning) MS Office for Mac 2011 
>> which is useful for whenever I do have an Office file, but I don't use it 
>> often and have alternatives with my Work Windows laptop. The removal of 
>> iTunes. I didn't explore that but it seems pretty large in impact. 
>> Presumably there are precautions to take. But for the moment, with my 
>> perfectly functioning Macbook Pro 2013 running High Sierra, it is all good. 
>> 
>> All I have to remind me is a constant red dot over App store saying I have 
>> an OSX update I 'should' do. 
>> 
>> Will look into the iTunes things some time. 
>> 
>> I also think there is no longer available a localized installation for 
>> Office 2016 or later and we now have to resort to the constant funding model 
>> the software developers want us to use with annual fees - Office 365 as an 
>> example. I may use Word or Excel up to 5 times in any one year. It really 
>> doesn't make sense to fund an annual subscription for one machine when I 
>> have alternatives. I know my case is unique to me and others will be solely 
>> reliant on their Mac's, so then it is justifiable for them. 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> To:
>> 
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:51:02 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: Horrible Catalina
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Pat,
>> 
>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update
>> 
>> ‘Apple’s latest Mac update, macOS Catalina, was released earlier this week, 
>> and with it came a flurry of complications both minor and major. 
>> For one, this update is the first for Apple to drop 32-bit application 
>> support, which is causing all sorts of headaches for users of smaller apps, 
>> plug-ins, and other software that may not be updated for quite some time or 
>> may have been created by a company that no longer exists. There are also a 
>> fair number of other issues with Catalina, like Adobe software 
>> incompatibility problems and unforeseen hurdles related to the removal of 
>> iTunes. 
>> That leads us to a series of important questions for Mac users who may be at 
>> risk of having important workflows disrupted by Catalina. What exactly might 
>> go wrong if you do upgrade? Should you upgrade now, and what should you do 
>> before pulling the trigger?
>>  Or should you hold off for now, and if so, what’s the best way to do that 
>> and also monitor when it might be safe to make the jump?’
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 4:42 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Pat, sorry to hear this. I had heard of some troubles from people on the 
>> WAMUG upon the initial release of Catalina but nothing of late. Your note 
>> comes out of the blue for WAMUG I think. Can you be specific about the 
>> issues you;re having?  I am holding off doing my update to Catalina simply 
>> because I hadn't had the time to research if the early issues had been 
>> resolved or not. Do others have any first hand user experience about it's 
>> use and issues they have had. 
>> 
>> Is there anyone else recommending to NOT install Catalina at this time?
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>>

Re: Horrible Catalina

[Ronni Brown]

Like you Peter, I’m keeping both my Mac computers running High Sierra and I see 
no reason for me to upgrade at this time.
High Sierra is a very secure and stable OS.

Kind Regards,
Ronni 

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 29 Apr 2020, at 5:20 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Righto, thanks for that link Ronni. For a number of reasons in reading 
> through the link, I can see no reason for me to update to Catalina yet - if 
> ever. Currently I have an old (but still functioning) MS Office for Mac 2011 
> which is useful for whenever I do have an Office file, but I don't use it 
> often and have alternatives with my Work Windows laptop. The removal of 
> iTunes. I didn't explore that but it seems pretty large in impact. Presumably 
> there are precautions to take. But for the moment, with my perfectly 
> functioning Macbook Pro 2013 running High Sierra, it is all good. 
> 
> All I have to remind me is a constant red dot over App store saying I have an 
> OSX update I 'should' do. 
> 
> Will look into the iTunes things some time. 
> 
> I also think there is no longer available a localized installation for Office 
> 2016 or later and we now have to resort to the constant funding model the 
> software developers want us to use with annual fees - Office 365 as an 
> example. I may use Word or Excel up to 5 times in any one year. It really 
> doesn't make sense to fund an annual subscription for one machine when I have 
> alternatives. I know my case is unique to me and others will be solely 
> reliant on their Mac's, so then it is justifiable for them. 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:51:02 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Horrible Catalina
> 
> 
> Hi Pat,
> 
> https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update
> 
> ‘Apple’s latest Mac update, macOS Catalina, was released earlier this week, 
> and with it came a flurry of complications both minor and major. 
> For one, this update is the first for Apple to drop 32-bit application 
> support, which is causing all sorts of headaches for users of smaller apps, 
> plug-ins, and other software that may not be updated for quite some time or 
> may have been created by a company that no longer exists. There are also a 
> fair number of other issues with Catalina, like Adobe software 
> incompatibility problems and unforeseen hurdles related to the removal of 
> iTunes. 
> That leads us to a series of important questions for Mac users who may be at 
> risk of having important workflows disrupted by Catalina. What exactly might 
> go wrong if you do upgrade? Should you upgrade now, and what should you do 
> before pulling the trigger?
>  Or should you hold off for now, and if so, what’s the best way to do that 
> and also monitor when it might be safe to make the jump?’
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 4:42 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pat, sorry to hear this. I had heard of some troubles from people on the 
> WAMUG upon the initial release of Catalina but nothing of late. Your note 
> comes out of the blue for WAMUG I think. Can you be specific about the issues 
> you;re having?  I am holding off doing my update to Catalina simply because I 
> hadn't had the time to research if the early issues had been resolved or not. 
> Do others have any first hand user experience about it's use and issues they 
> have had. 
> 
> Is there anyone else recommending to NOT install Catalina at this time?
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "wamuG Mailing List" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:55:57 +1000
> Subject:
> Horrible Catalina
> 
> 
> Hello, WAMUGgers, I moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer didn’t 
> catch up with me for several of those months. When I finally cranked it up 
> and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it 
> is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. To put it 
> in straight words: I Hate Catalina. There are so many horrible changes; what 
> has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac vi

Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Crisp]

Righto, thanks for that link Ronni. For a number of reasons in reading
through the link, I can see no reason for me to update to Catalina yet
- if ever. Currently I have an old (but still functioning) MS Office
for Mac 2011 which is useful for whenever I do have an Office file,
but I don't use it often and have alternatives with my Work Windows
laptop. The removal of iTunes. I didn't explore that but it seems
pretty large in impact. Presumably there are precautions to take. But
for the moment, with my perfectly functioning Macbook Pro 2013 running
High Sierra, it is all good. 
All I have to remind me is a constant red dot over App store saying I
have an OSX update I 'should' do. 

Will look into the iTunes things some time. 
I also think there is no longer available a localized installation for
Office 2016 or later and we now have to resort to the constant funding
model the software developers want us to use with annual fees - Office
365 as an example. I may use Word or Excel up to 5 times in any one
year. It really doesn't make sense to fund an annual subscription for
one machine when I have alternatives. I know my case is unique to me
and others will be solely reliant on their Mac's, so then it is
justifiable for them. 
Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:51:02 +0800
Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina

Hi Pat,
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update
[1]

‘Apple’s latest Mac update, macOS Catalina [2], was released
earlier this week, and with it came a flurry of complications both
minor and major. 

For one, this update is the first for Apple to drop 32-bit
application support, which is causing all sorts of headaches for users
of smaller apps, plug-ins, and other software that may not be updated
for quite some time or may have been created by a company that no
longer exists. There are also a fair number of other issues with
Catalina, like Adobe software incompatibility problems and unforeseen
hurdles related to the removal of iTunes. 

That leads us to a series of important questions for Mac users who
may be at risk of having important workflows disrupted by Catalina.
What exactly might go wrong if you do upgrade? Should you upgrade now,
and what should you do before pulling the trigger?

 Or should you hold off for now, and if so, what’s the best way to
do that and also monitor when it might be safe to make the jump?’

Kind Regards,

Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 

On 29 Apr 2020, at 4:42 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

Hi Pat, sorry to hear this. I had heard of some troubles from
people on the WAMUG upon the initial release of Catalina but nothing
of late. Your note comes out of the blue for WAMUG I think. Can you be
specific about the issues you;re having?  I am holding off doing my
update to Catalina simply because I hadn't had the time to research if
the early issues had been resolved or not. Do others have any first
hand user experience about it's use and issues they have had. 
Is there anyone else recommending to NOT install Catalina at this
time?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp 

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"wamuG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:55:57 +1000
Subject:Horrible Catalina

 Hello, WAMUGgers, I moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer
didn’t catch up with me for several of those months. When I finally
cranked it up and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I
thought, I hope it is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for
shock after shock. To put it in straight words: I Hate Catalina. There
are so many horrible changes; what has Apple been thinking? I read
about the Mac virus problem, but that doesn’t warrant the infliction
of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.

 Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded? Soon? And
does anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 

 I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.

 Stay safe and warm,
 Pat Scott

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[1]
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[2]
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/7/20902020/macos-catalina-review-apple-music-podcasts-catalyst-ipad-apps

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Pat,

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update

‘Apple’s latest Mac update, macOS Catalina, was released earlier this week, and 
with it came a flurry of complications both minor and major. 

For one, this update is the first for Apple to drop 32-bit application support, 
which is causing all sorts of headaches for users of smaller apps, plug-ins, 
and other software that may not be updated for quite some time or may have been 
created by a company that no longer exists. There are also a fair number of 
other issues with Catalina, like Adobe software incompatibility problems and 
unforeseen hurdles related to the removal of iTunes. 

That leads us to a series of important questions for Mac users who may be at 
risk of having important workflows disrupted by Catalina. What exactly might go 
wrong if you do upgrade? Should you upgrade now, and what should you do before 
pulling the trigger?

 Or should you hold off for now, and if so, what’s the best way to do that and 
also monitor when it might be safe to make the jump?’

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 4:42 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> Hi Pat, sorry to hear this. I had heard of some troubles from people on the 
> WAMUG upon the initial release of Catalina but nothing of late. Your note 
> comes out of the blue for WAMUG I think. Can you be specific about the issues 
> you;re having?  I am holding off doing my update to Catalina simply because I 
> hadn't had the time to research if the early issues had been resolved or not. 
> Do others have any first hand user experience about it's use and issues they 
> have had. 
> 
> Is there anyone else recommending to NOT install Catalina at this time?
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
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> To:
> "wamuG Mailing List" 
> Cc:
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> Sent:
> Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:55:57 +1000
> Subject:
> Horrible Catalina
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> Hello, WAMUGgers, I moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer didn’t 
> catch up with me for several of those months. When I finally cranked it up 
> and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it 
> is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. To put it 
> in straight words: I Hate Catalina. There are so many horrible changes; what 
> has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that doesn’t 
> warrant the infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.
> 
> Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded? Soon? And does 
> anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 
> 
> I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.
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> Stay safe and warm,
> Pat Scott
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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Pat, sorry to hear this. I had heard of some troubles from people
on the WAMUG upon the initial release of Catalina but nothing of late.
Your note comes out of the blue for WAMUG I think. Can you be specific
about the issues you;re having?  I am holding off doing my update to
Catalina simply because I hadn't had the time to research if the early
issues had been resolved or not. Do others have any first hand user
experience about it's use and issues they have had. 
Is there anyone else recommending to NOT install Catalina at this
time?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp 

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"wamuG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:55:57 +1000
Subject:Horrible Catalina

 Hello, WAMUGgers, I moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer
didn’t catch up with me for several of those months. When I finally
cranked it up and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I
thought, I hope it is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for
shock after shock. To put it in straight words: I Hate Catalina. There
are so many horrible changes; what has Apple been thinking? I read
about the Mac virus problem, but that doesn’t warrant the infliction
of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.

 Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded? Soon? And
does anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 

 I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.

 Stay safe and warm,
 Pat Scott

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Re: Horrible Catalina

[Alan Smith]

Hi Pat

Sorry to read that you dislike Catalina.  It will be replaced - one day!  In 
the meantime - - -.

AppleUsers dot org website lists five MUGs in Queensland. 

  https://www.appleusers.org/mug-listings/

 Most appropriate would seem to be Apple-Q in Brisbane:

  http://www.apple-q.org.au 

Cheers
Alan


> On 29 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Pat  wrote:
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>   Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer 
> didn’t catch up with me for several of those months.  When I finally cranked 
> it up and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I 
> hope it is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. 
> To  put it  in straight words: I Hate Catalina.  There are so many horrible 
> changes; what has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, 
> but that doesn’t warrant the  infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting 
> computers.
> 
> Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon?  And does 
> anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 
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> I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.
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> Stay safe and warm,
> Pat Scott
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Horrible Catalina

[Pat]

Hello, WAMUGgers, I  moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer 
didn’t catch up with me for several of those months.  When I finally cranked it 
up and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it 
is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. To  put it  
in straight words: I Hate Catalina.  There are so many horrible changes; what 
has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that doesn’t 
warrant the  infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.

Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded?  Soon?  And does 
anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 

I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.

Stay safe and warm,
Pat Scott

 
































































































































































































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