Was re: Alternatives to entourage and mail now in english please :-)
If normal mortals would care to read the below, the reason some of us may not use the list in the way others would like us to is readily apparent :-) What I'd be interested in knowing is - how'd you create that list? I am guessing a quick perl script run over a Eudora mailbox... No need for perl: grep X-Mailer mbox | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r No need for that, I have BBEdit (oh, ok, I did use uniq :) I have no idea what it is all about. I use Mac OS since I prefer it to Windows OS, (I like to be different) and I have a reasonable understanding of them, but no more so than the average Mac user ... Or so I thought. I now see that I am way down the evolutionary scale when it comes to understanding them. I now what they do, and I know how to make them do what I want to do once someone has done all the hard work and given me a nice piece of software to use. I also wondered how Shay sorted out who used what (in apparently record time) and am still wondering how he did it. However the important thing is that he did, and it maybe sheds light on numerous issues ( I for one will be looking into Mozilla) Cheers Angus
Re: Was re: Alternatives to entourage and mail now in english please :-)
If normal mortals would care to read the below, the reason some of us may not use the list in the way others would like us to is readily apparent :-) What I'd be interested in knowing is - how'd you create that list? I am guessing a quick perl script run over a Eudora mailbox... No need for perl: grep X-Mailer mbox | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r No need for that, I have BBEdit (oh, ok, I did use uniq :) I have no idea what it is all about. I use Mac OS since I prefer it to Windows OS, (I like to be different) and I have a reasonable understanding of them, but no more so than the average Mac user ... Or so I thought. I now see that I am way down the evolutionary scale when it comes to understanding them. I now what they do, and I know how to make them do what I want to do once someone has done all the hard work and given me a nice piece of software to use. Basically I did * Open BBEdit * Find for X-Mailer: in multiple files pointed at my WAMUG mailbox folder' (all options in BBEdit's Find dialog) * Wait for the results * Copy the results out of the find window and paste them into a blank BBEdit document * Use BBEdit's 'Sort' tool to sort the document * Run the Unix program uniq over the document (with the -c option, for counting) to count occurrences of each line Nothing too mystical, and more understandable to the layperson than the unix arcanery, albeit essentially the same process :) Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Join Team Sungroper, race the Opinions for hire [POQ] 2003 World Solar Challenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord http://sungroper.asn.au/
Re: Was re: Alternatives to entourage and mail now in english please :-)
While this may look really scary: grep X-Mailer mbox | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r It really isn't. You can entirely ignore this message if you like, but you might just like this method of doing things - which I confess I much prefer to more manual methods suggested by Shay. While I typed the command into a Linux console, the principle is the same for MacOS X. (The options may be slightly different, but I don't have an OS X box handy right now.) If I use the word unix below, I mean any flavour of unix, so MacOS X, Linux, Solaris - whatever. When a program runs, it generally requires some input and generally creates some output. Under unix you can string together a number of commands using a pipe which is denoted by the |. Instead of saving the output that comes from a command to a file, then processing that file with the next command, you can directly send the output as input to the next command. So, let's break this down: grep X-Mailer mbox The grep command looks for a string in a file. So here we look for the string X-Mailer in the file mbox. If you had a file mbox and it contained the string X-Mailer on any of its lines, the output would include only those lines that matched. So, we'd get something like: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster So, grep created a list of lines that had X-Mailer in them. The next step is to sort these lines alphabetically using the sort command, which results in: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster The next step is to make each entry unique, so each email program only appears once. The uniq command can not only make each line unique, but it also has the ability to count the number of occurrences using the '-c' option, so: uniq -c Results in: 1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) 2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) 1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) 1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster While this list contains all of the information we wanted, it's not in any order that allows us easily to determine which is the most used mailer. The sort command called with no options sorts a list alphabetically. If you give it '-n', it sorts numerically. '-r' makes the sorted list reversed. So: sort -n -r Results in: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) 2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) 1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster 1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster 1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Which is the list that shay supplied us with. (I'll leave it as an excercise to the reader to learn about the cut command to remove the string X-Mailer: from the output :-) How did I know what to do to get all this to work? Under unix you can use the man command to find out what options each program uses. If you use the apropos command, you can find out which commands might be appropriate to actually do a task. So, you can do: man sort man uniq man grep And: apropos duplicate apropos sort Any more questions? Send them on down and I'll see what I can do... PS, was this English enough? Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 from S33:37'33 - E115:07'30 (Dunsborough, WA) -- ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno.. |? ..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On Saturday, Jun 21, 2003, at 14:54 Australia/Perth, Onno Benschop wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 14:27, Angus Russell wrote: However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( That is absolute rubbish and I take offence. You have now on three different occasions asked us about automatically adding addresses to Entourage. The fact that no-one responded indicates to me that the problem has likely nothing to do with Entourage, and much more likely something in your personal setup. Alternatively everybody hates you :-) In-fact, a suggestion was made in the message you just responded to. So, perhaps you should learn to read before you start abusing people. In-fact, you've not even suggested what you've done to investigate the problem yourself, nor have you provided any evidence of using a simple google search. If you feel that my response is too strong, then I unreservedly apologise. I feel that too many viewers are *expecting* to be helped, even though that expectation is entirely unreasonable. You may be helped or you may not be helped. The result is entirely random and by the grace of other readers. Perhaps you've not gotten to this paragraph because now you're upset, but that's just tough. If you were to look in the rules section of Entourage you might find a filter that is adding entries to the Address book. I know this is possible, because a simple google search has as the first result a discussion about using Entourage to manage a mailing list. http://www.google.com/ search?q=entourage+adding+addresses+to+addressbook So, go away and do your home-work, or if you already did, then show us, so we don't all duplicate your efforts to that point. I'm upset, grumpy and it's not because I didn't have any coffee. Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 from S33:37'33 - E115:07'30 (Dunsborough, WA) -- ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno.. |? ..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.html Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.html Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Dear Onno, Maybe you should not reply to emails when you are upset and grumpy which unfortunately appears to be the case most of the time. All the smily faces in the world don't change the fact that most of your replies, whether they are helpful or not, come off sounding sarcastic and arrogant. I don't deny that you are very knowledgeable, but methinks you are also a wanker, and perhaps every so often you should remove your head from your ass, and actually think about what you are typing when replying. Regards James Green
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
You must have turned something on to do this. I looked through Entourage preferences and couldn't find any setting for it. Do you use any third party software like spam filters or something? You can search the FAQ and archives at www.microsoft.com/mac under the Entourage section and see if they have anything mentioning it there and if there is nothing there will be a support link at the bottom of the page so you can email Microsoft directly and ask them. You paid for the software so get them to help you sort the problem out, that's what the support team are for. Best of luck, Kelly Duffy On 21/6/03 3:49 PM, Bob Howells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WAIT UP ANGUS ! I am one amongst prosbably many who have never used Entourage and as a consequence have no idea what your problem can be caused by. I use Netscape Messenger and until recently version 4.79 and it had no such automatic function to add email addresses that I have come across. However version 7.0.2 which I have just started trialling does have that as an alternative selectable in the mail preferences somewhere. I suggest yours should have a choice in preferences SOMEWHERE. You just have to find it. Have fun Bob Angus Russell wrote: Hi Neil Somehow or other every e-mail I receive has it's senders address added to the Entourage address book. Due to this I have nearly 1500 e-addresses in the address book - which is insane. However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( Thanks anyway :-) Angus On 20/6/03 8:55 PM, Angus Russell wrote: As an afterthought I seem to recall that it is possible to choose whether or not Entourage adds all new e-addresses to the address book, but damned if I can find this option anywhere. Angus As far as I can establish it isn't possible to automatically add new addresses to the address book in Entourage. You can of course manually create a new address by using the new contact menu command, or by pointing at the 'from' header in any received message and doing a 'control + click' (which brings up an 'add to address book' option). What Entourage will allow you to do - which serves the same purpose that you want - is to show you a list of recently used addresses (from messages in your inbox and outbox) when you are addressing a new message. To turn this feature on you need to go to Mail and News Preferences Compose Recently Used Addresses and check the box if you want to turn this feature on. What this means is that if I wanted to send a message to you all I need to do is type 'a' or 'an' in the 'To' field and I immediately get a drop down list of everyone I have sent or received a message from who's name starts with 'a' or 'an', from which I can choose your name. Neil Blake Associates Environmental and Community Consultants RMB 1050 South Coast Highway Denmark Western Australia 6333 Phone/Fax/Answering Machine: (08) 9840 9284 Mobile 0428 761 466 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.html Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.html Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.html Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.html Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 11:34, James Green wrote: On Saturday, Jun 21, 2003, at 14:54 Australia/Perth, Onno Benschop wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 14:27, Angus Russell wrote: I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( That is absolute rubbish and I take offence. methinks you are also a wanker, and perhaps every so often you should remove your head from your ass Thank you for your constructive feedback. Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 from S33:37'33 - E115:07'30 (Dunsborough, WA) -- ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno.. |? ..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ADMIN] Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On Saturday, Jun 21, 2003, at 14:54 Australia/Perth, Onno Benschop wrote: The fact that no-one responded indicates to me that the problem has likely nothing to do with Entourage, and much more likely something in your personal setup. Alternatively everybody hates you :-) On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 11:34 AM, James Green wrote: Maybe you should not reply to emails when you are upset and grumpy which unfortunately appears to be the case most of the time. All the smily faces in the world don't change the fact that most of your replies, whether they are helpful or not, come off sounding sarcastic and arrogant. I don't deny that you are very knowledgeable, but methinks you are also a **, and perhaps every so often you should remove your head from your ***, and actually think about what you are typing when replying. 1. This language is not appropriate for this list. 2. Personal attacks have NO PLACE on this list. 3. If you must to continue, take it off the list. 4. Disregard this warning and be permanently banned. Enough said. - Matt -- 0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0 Matt Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
Hi All, On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 03:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However it does throw up an interesting question as far as I am concerned - what do all you Mac users on the list use for e-mail? Other then Eudora or Entourage/Outlook I didn¹t think there was much available other than some of the others I asked about. Other sources seem to think PowerMail , Mailsmith Gyaz mail are all pretty good, when compared to Mail or other mainstream clients. I used to use Outlook Express (OS9) for ages, but found some strange networking problems when I moved to OSX. I currently use Mail, but I'm not that impressed with it. It doesn't handle IMAP folders as well as OE did. I tried Entourage, but it is much slower on my graphite iBook than the Mail app. Maybe someone would like to create a yahoo group poll on the mail apps to see which one is the most widely used... Regards, Paul. -- Paul W. Mulroney Logical Developments [EMAIL PROTECTED] 86 Coolgardie Street www.logicaldevelopments.com.au BENTLEY WA 6102 Ph: +61 8 9458 3889 ICQ# 154484472 Fax: +61 8 9458 7204
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
Hi Ryan, Hi John, Hi Neil Many thanks for your input - it was enough incentive to go back in and check all my mail rules for about the fourth time - and yup it was a rogue mail rule. Can not understand how it got in there - still racking my brains on that one - just thankful I eventually found it :-) Many thanks. Angus When I first saw Angus's email I tested this option using my Curtin email account, which isn't in my address book. It wasn't added, so I concluded that it doesn't cause unknown addresses to be added, just creates a Link between the message and a Contact. It still sounds a lot like the action of a rogue Mail Rule... Can't imagine what else could cause it in Entourage. -Ry On 2003-06-22 19:31, John Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angus, In the general preferences of Entourage, there is an option to Automatically link contacts with the messages I receive from them I am no office guru, and the documentation is vague, but this implies to me that the incoming email addresses will be automatically added so that the link can be created (as distinct from manual addition using command =). Perhaps you might (un)check this setting. Let us all know if that helps. HTH John on 21/6/03 2:27 PM, Angus Russell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Neil Somehow or other every e-mail I receive has it's senders address added to the Entourage address book. Due to this I have nearly 1500 e-addresses in the address book - which is insane. However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( Thanks anyway :-) Angus Later, Ry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
One thing I have noticed with Entourage is that it will suggest email addresses when you are composing. The list from your address book can be augmented with recently used addresses that may not be in your address book. These latter addresses are identified by the @ sign next to them as opposed to the address book addresses that have a little person icon. It seems to me that recently received emails are classified for use in this list so if you receive an email from someone recently and they are not in your address book they may show up if you start typing a similar address when composing. You can turn this feature on and off in the Mail and New Prefs under the compose tab. Hope this makes sense - I've got a cold and the head is a bit muddled today. Cheers Greg on 22/6/03 8:17 PM, Ryan Jay Schotte at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first saw Angus's email I tested this option using my Curtin email account, which isn't in my address book. It wasn't added, so I concluded that it doesn't cause unknown addresses to be added, just creates a Link between the message and a Contact. It still sounds a lot like the action of a rogue Mail Rule... Can't imagine what else could cause it in Entourage. -Ry On 2003-06-22 19:31, John Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angus, In the general preferences of Entourage, there is an option to Automatically link contacts with the messages I receive from them I am no office guru, and the documentation is vague, but this implies to me that the incoming email addresses will be automatically added so that the link can be created (as distinct from manual addition using command =). Perhaps you might (un)check this setting. Let us all know if that helps. HTH John on 21/6/03 2:27 PM, Angus Russell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Neil Somehow or other every e-mail I receive has it's senders address added to the Entourage address book. Due to this I have nearly 1500 e-addresses in the address book - which is insane. However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( Thanks anyway :-) Angus Later, Ry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
Maybe someone would like to create a yahoo group poll on the mail apps
to see which one is the most widely used...
Regards,
Paul.
Well, a brief analysis of my WAMUG mail reveals the following
information from X-Mailer headers. Note that this is 'number of
posts' not 'number of people using'.
Sadly, Eudora doesn't include the X-Mailer header (aside from the odd
few cases), so you can't tell much about its frequency of use.
It's left as an exercise to the reader to break this down by platform
and product :)
Have fun,
Shay
742 Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410)
355 Apple Mail (2.551)
342 Yahoo Groups Message Poster
308 QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2
274 Apple Mail (2.552)
271 Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
258 eGroups Message Poster
251 Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998
233 Apple Mail (2.482)
224 Apple Mail (2.481)
171 Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
168 Mozilla 4.74 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
167 Apple Mail (2.546)
142 Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
141 Musashi 3.2.3-us
136 Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
134 Apple Mail (2.548)
131 Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
118 Apple Mail (2.543)
117 Apple Mail (2.480)
110 Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
107 Apple Mail (2.388)
97 QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58
97 Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
95 Apple Mail (2.472)
95 Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
88 QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16)
87 Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
81 CTM PowerMail 2.4v6 http://www.ctmdev.com
81 Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC)
80 iiNet WebMail v2
79 QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3
73 AspMail 2.62 (SMTP85107B)
68 Claris Emailer 1.1
65 Apple Mail (2.475)
63 Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
57 Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
53 Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC)
51 Ximian Evolution 1.0.5
50 Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295)
47 Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
45 Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC)
40 QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32)
40 Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
40 Mozilla 4.78 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
39 Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
36 Ximian Evolution 1.0.3
36 Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
35 Ximian Evolution 1.2.4
34 Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32)
34 Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
34 Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997
33 Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.
33 www.eGroups.com Message Poster
32 ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL48 (25)]
32 Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1
31 Apple Mail (2.387)
31 Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55)
30 Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
30 Musashi 3.2.2-us
27 GoMail 3.0.0
27 Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211
26 Excite Inbox
26 MBM v2.6.3-US
26 Ximian Evolution 1.0.8
26 Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
26 Musashi 3.1.1
24 Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295)
24 CTM PowerMail 2.4v7 http://www.ctmdev.com
24 Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59)
22 Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616
22 MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117)
21 Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c)
21 Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.02 (298)
20 QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32)
19 Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
19 Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
17 Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
17 Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
16 Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
16 Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
15 Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024
15 Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997
14 Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
14 Evolution/1.0.2
14 GoldMine [5.50.10424]
13 Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
13 QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2
13 InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.08
13 Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
12 Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
11 Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K)
11 Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
10 Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700
10 Eudora Pro F4.0.2
10 Mozilla 3.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K)
10 Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I)
10 AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28
10 Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC)
10 Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0
9 CTM PowerMail 2.4v3 http://www.ctmdev.com
9 Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I)
9 Mr.Mail 0.5
9 Netscape Webmail
9 Novell GroupWise 5.5.2
8 QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58
8 Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K)
8 MBM v2.1.1-US
8 MailCity Service
8 Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC)
8 Mailsmith 1.5.4 (Blindsider)
8 Novell GroupWise 5.5
7 Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600
7 SMTPit - FileMaker Pro Email Plugin (mac ver. 3.0.11)
7 Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K)
7 Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
7 Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K)
7 CTM PowerMail 4.1.3 Carbon http://www.ctmdev.com
6 QuickMail Pro 1.5.3 (Mac)
6 Excite Mail
6 Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I)
6 CTM PowerMail 3.0.1 http://www.ctmdev.com
6 Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win98; U)
6 Mozilla 4.75 [en]
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 07:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe someone would like to create a yahoo group poll on the mail apps to see which one is the most widely used... Well, a brief analysis of my WAMUG mail reveals the following information from X-Mailer headers. Note that this is 'number of posts' not 'number of people using'. very big snip 1 AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Made me smile :) What I'd be interested in knowing is - how'd you create that list? Regards, Paul. -- Paul W. Mulroney Logical Developments [EMAIL PROTECTED] 86 Coolgardie Street www.logicaldevelopments.com.au BENTLEY WA 6102 Ph: +61 8 9458 3889 ICQ# 154484472 Fax: +61 8 9458 7204
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 08:25 PM, Paul Mulroney wrote: 1 AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Well some people are in to that sort of stuff! Made me smile :) What I'd be interested in knowing is - how'd you create that list? I am guessing a quick perl script run over a Eudora mailbox... - Matt -- 0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0 Matt Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 20:33, Matthew Healey wrote: On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 08:25 PM, Paul Mulroney wrote: What I'd be interested in knowing is - how'd you create that list? I am guessing a quick perl script run over a Eudora mailbox... No need for perl: grep X-Mailer mbox | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 from S33:37'33 - E115:07'30 (Dunsborough, WA) -- ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno.. |? ..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 20:33, Matthew Healey wrote: On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 08:25 PM, Paul Mulroney wrote: What I'd be interested in knowing is - how'd you create that list? I am guessing a quick perl script run over a Eudora mailbox... No need for perl: grep X-Mailer mbox | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r No need for that, I have BBEdit (oh, ok, I did use uniq :) Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Join Team Sungroper, race the Opinions for hire [POQ] 2003 World Solar Challenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord http://sungroper.asn.au/
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It has been brought to my attention that my response to Angus' email using the words: Alternatively everybody hates you :-) could be read as a personal attack on Angus, even-though it came within the following context: On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 14:54, Onno Benschop wrote: The fact that no-one responded indicates to me that the problem has likely nothing to do with Entourage, and much more likely something in your personal setup. Alternatively everybody hates you :-) If you did indeed read this as a personal attack and not tongue firmly planted in cheek - as it was intended - hence the :-) - I'm sorry. While I now reread my message I concede that it was not the most balanced posting I've ever contributed to the group. Can we now please move on? Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 from S33:37'33 - E115:07'30 (Dunsborough, WA) -- ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno.. |? ..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to Entourage and Mail
PowerMail is excellent. I've used it for two years without hassles. It uses Apple's Address Book. Vlad James -- Angus Russell asked --- Does anyone have anything to say about any of the following? Power Mail Mail smith GyazMail
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
on 21/6/03 14:27, Angus Russell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Neil Somehow or other every e-mail I receive has it's senders address added to the Entourage address book. Due to this I have nearly 1500 e-addresses in the address book - which is insane. However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( Thanks anyway :-) Angus You would be assuming wrong. Most members of this list do NOT use Entourage. I happen to be one of the few that do. Entourage doesn't automatically add all email addresses to my Address Book. I've never bothered to investigate why it doesn't because to me this seems like it should be this way. I don't share your problem and didn't feel a need to investigate it on your behalf because I'd hope that as a good list user you would have already gone through the preliminary steps of a basic Google search as well as checking the help documents for the relevant program and that's the most I'd be able to do anyway.
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
Angus, In the general preferences of Entourage, there is an option to Automatically link contacts with the messages I receive from them I am no office guru, and the documentation is vague, but this implies to me that the incoming email addresses will be automatically added so that the link can be created (as distinct from manual addition using command =). Perhaps you might (un)check this setting. Let us all know if that helps. HTH John on 21/6/03 2:27 PM, Angus Russell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Neil Somehow or other every e-mail I receive has it's senders address added to the Entourage address book. Due to this I have nearly 1500 e-addresses in the address book - which is insane. However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( Thanks anyway :-) Angus -- John Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph +61 8 9367 9277 Fax +61 8 9367 9244
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
When I first saw Angus's email I tested this option using my Curtin email account, which isn't in my address book. It wasn't added, so I concluded that it doesn't cause unknown addresses to be added, just creates a Link between the message and a Contact. It still sounds a lot like the action of a rogue Mail Rule... Can't imagine what else could cause it in Entourage. -Ry On 2003-06-22 19:31, John Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angus, In the general preferences of Entourage, there is an option to Automatically link contacts with the messages I receive from them I am no office guru, and the documentation is vague, but this implies to me that the incoming email addresses will be automatically added so that the link can be created (as distinct from manual addition using command =). Perhaps you might (un)check this setting. Let us all know if that helps. HTH John on 21/6/03 2:27 PM, Angus Russell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Neil Somehow or other every e-mail I receive has it's senders address added to the Entourage address book. Due to this I have nearly 1500 e-addresses in the address book - which is insane. However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( Thanks anyway :-) Angus Later, Ry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- There are only 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
Hi Neil Somehow or other every e-mail I receive has it's senders address added to the Entourage address book. Due to this I have nearly 1500 e-addresses in the address book - which is insane. However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( Thanks anyway :-) Angus On 20/6/03 8:55 PM, Angus Russell wrote: As an afterthought I seem to recall that it is possible to choose whether or not Entourage adds all new e-addresses to the address book, but damned if I can find this option anywhere. Angus As far as I can establish it isn't possible to automatically add new addresses to the address book in Entourage. You can of course manually create a new address by using the new contact menu command, or by pointing at the 'from' header in any received message and doing a 'control + click' (which brings up an 'add to address book' option). What Entourage will allow you to do - which serves the same purpose that you want - is to show you a list of recently used addresses (from messages in your inbox and outbox) when you are addressing a new message. To turn this feature on you need to go to Mail and News Preferences Compose Recently Used Addresses and check the box if you want to turn this feature on. What this means is that if I wanted to send a message to you all I need to do is type 'a' or 'an' in the 'To' field and I immediately get a drop down list of everyone I have sent or received a message from who's name starts with 'a' or 'an', from which I can choose your name. Neil Blake Associates Environmental and Community Consultants RMB 1050 South Coast Highway Denmark Western Australia 6333 Phone/Fax/Answering Machine: (08) 9840 9284 Mobile 0428 761 466
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 14:27, Angus Russell wrote: However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( That is absolute rubbish and I take offence. You have now on three different occasions asked us about automatically adding addresses to Entourage. The fact that no-one responded indicates to me that the problem has likely nothing to do with Entourage, and much more likely something in your personal setup. Alternatively everybody hates you :-) In-fact, a suggestion was made in the message you just responded to. So, perhaps you should learn to read before you start abusing people. In-fact, you've not even suggested what you've done to investigate the problem yourself, nor have you provided any evidence of using a simple google search. If you feel that my response is too strong, then I unreservedly apologise. I feel that too many viewers are *expecting* to be helped, even though that expectation is entirely unreasonable. You may be helped or you may not be helped. The result is entirely random and by the grace of other readers. Perhaps you've not gotten to this paragraph because now you're upset, but that's just tough. If you were to look in the rules section of Entourage you might find a filter that is adding entries to the Address book. I know this is possible, because a simple google search has as the first result a discussion about using Entourage to manage a mailing list. http://www.google.com/search?q=entourage+adding+addresses+to+addressbook So, go away and do your home-work, or if you already did, then show us, so we don't all duplicate your efforts to that point. I'm upset, grumpy and it's not because I didn't have any coffee. Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 from S33:37'33 - E115:07'30 (Dunsborough, WA) -- ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno.. |? ..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
WAIT UP ANGUS ! I am one amongst prosbably many who have never used Entourage and as a consequence have no idea what your problem can be caused by. I use Netscape Messenger and until recently version 4.79 and it had no such automatic function to add email addresses that I have come across. However version 7.0.2 which I have just started trialling does have that as an alternative selectable in the mail preferences somewhere. I suggest yours should have a choice in preferences SOMEWHERE. You just have to find it. Have fun Bob Angus Russell wrote: Hi Neil Somehow or other every e-mail I receive has it's senders address added to the Entourage address book. Due to this I have nearly 1500 e-addresses in the address book - which is insane. However since you have provided the only response to my dilemma I can only assume that no-one else takes me seriously :-( Thanks anyway :-) Angus On 20/6/03 8:55 PM, Angus Russell wrote: As an afterthought I seem to recall that it is possible to choose whether or not Entourage adds all new e-addresses to the address book, but damned if I can find this option anywhere. Angus As far as I can establish it isn't possible to automatically add new addresses to the address book in Entourage. You can of course manually create a new address by using the new contact menu command, or by pointing at the 'from' header in any received message and doing a 'control + click' (which brings up an 'add to address book' option). What Entourage will allow you to do - which serves the same purpose that you want - is to show you a list of recently used addresses (from messages in your inbox and outbox) when you are addressing a new message. To turn this feature on you need to go to Mail and News Preferences Compose Recently Used Addresses and check the box if you want to turn this feature on. What this means is that if I wanted to send a message to you all I need to do is type 'a' or 'an' in the 'To' field and I immediately get a drop down list of everyone I have sent or received a message from who's name starts with 'a' or 'an', from which I can choose your name. Neil Blake Associates Environmental and Community Consultants RMB 1050 South Coast Highway Denmark Western Australia 6333 Phone/Fax/Answering Machine: (08) 9840 9284 Mobile 0428 761 466 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.html Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.html Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Alternatives to entourage and mail
On 2003-06-20 20:55, Angus Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone Does anyone have anything to say about any of the following? Power Mail Mail smith GyazMail All I can say about them is that the Mailsmith demo appeared very nice and reliable and fast... Like most of the Bare Bones products. Can't remember why I didn't switch to it. Probably because I already had so much of Entourage set up already... As an afterthought I seem to recall that it is possible to choose whether or not Entourage adds all new e-addresses to the address book, but damned if I can find this option anywhere. Can someone tell me if I am hallucinating, or just being incompetent and suffering major memory failure please :-) I can't see this option anywhere either. Perhaps, though, you should check for a Mail Rule or AppleScript that is adding senders addresses automatically? Later, Ry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. Voltaire
