RE: [wanita-muslimah] Tirani Dibalik Seni
http://www.hidayatullah.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=2913Itemid=1 Tirani Dibalik Seni Kamis, 23 Maret 2006 //Kaum feminis Barat sangat mengecam pornografi bahkan tergabung dalam Women Against Pornography (WAP). Kaum feminis Indonesia sebaliknya. Malah menganggap mengekang perempuan dan seni// Oleh: Syamsuddin Arif *) --- cut --- Tak kalah anehnya reaksi kaum feminis Indonesia dalam kontroversi ini. Aneh, karena mereka ikut-ikutan menolak draf undang-undang tersebut dengan dalih membela kaum perempuan. Sementara kita ketahui aktivis perempuan di banyak negara justru sangat anti dan mengecam habis-habisan segala bentuk pornografi karena dianggap menghina perempuan. Sebutlah misalnya Andrea Dworkin, Susan Brownmiller, Diana Russell, Catherine MacKinnon, Dorchen Leidholdt dan lain-lain yang tergabung dalam Women Against Pornography (WAP) dan National Organization for Women (NOW) di Amerika, atau Alice Schwarzer, Lore Maria Peschel, dan Sabine Leutheusser dari Bonner Frauenbündnis, Jerman. wuih Alice Schwarzer, Lore Maria Peschel dan Sabine Leutheusser pasti akan protes lho kalau nama mereka dikutip untuk memperkuat argumentasi pro-RUU APP. Ya, mereka sangat anti-pornografi, tetapi mereka pasti juga sangat anti RUU APP itu. Justru karena RUU APP itu tidak membedakan antara pornografi dan tubuh perempuan. Herannya, di sini seorang tokoh aliran fundamentalisme (? cmiiw) Islam kok mengutip nama Alice Schwarzer untuk memperkuat argumentasinya... fyi Alice Schwarzer akhir2 ini di Jerman terkenal semakin anti-Islam, memukul rata jilbab = opresi totaliter terhadap perempuan, sama seperti Syamsuddin Arif memukul rata dalam memandang tubuh perempuan dan masalah pornografi, tak bisa membedakan antara porno, cabul dan erotik... Sedih juga melihat cara argumentasi ini, apalagi oleh seorang kandidat Dr. kedua... selektif dan manipulatif sekali dalam mengutip nama orang lain... para pembaca kan pasti tidak tahu posisi Alice Schwarzer yang sebenarnya... malah mereka dibuat berpikir ini feminis Barat semua pro RUU APP, sedangkan feminis Indonesia kok anti... padahal feminis Barat sama dengan feminis Indonesia pada umumnya anti-pornografi, tetapi jelas tidak anti-seni, seni dalam definisi Barat, dan anti-tubuh perempuan. Btw, menggunakan istilah aurat dalam membicarakan pornografi mungkin juga terlalu multitafsir sehingga membingungkan... soalnya kalau aurat yang tidak boleh diperlihatkan, berarti foto portrait perempuan tanpa jilbab bisa dianggap termasuk pornografi juga? kan auratnya (rambutnya) jelas sekali kelihatan? Bisa membuat laki2 birahi melihat keindahan rambut itu? Akhirnya mari kita kembalikan masalah pornografi-pornoaksi ini kepada hati nurani dan rasa tanggung-jawab kita terhadap masa depan bangsa. Tanpa disadari bangsa yang tunduk kepada tirani hawa nafsu sebenarnya tengah melakukan proses bunuh diri. setuju... :) jangan mengalah terhadap tirani hawa nafsu paranoid yang mau eliminir daya tarik dan sensualitas tubuh kita yang diciptakan oleh Yang Maha Esa... mbok belajar menghadapinya secara dewasa dan civilized... jangan tunduk pada hawa nafsu main asal melarang dan suruh serba menutupi/menghilang... semakin dilarang, semakin dasyhat godaannya... semakin panik juga... semakin terjebat dalam dinamika bunuh diri dalam melawan godaan - bunuh diri secara psikologis, sosial dan kultural. The unconscious dream of the fundamentalists: there is nothing left but the desert, the sky and GOD's WORD. Peace on Earth, no more messy and ambiguous human conditions like different opinions or sexual attraction left to deal with... Sedihnya kalau orang yang sudah lama (?) tinggal dan belajar di Barat, malah sudah program doktor kedua, tapi etika argumentasinya dengan menyebut pendapat orang lain kok manipulatif ya... menyesatkan pembacanya... :( Yang jelas pemahaman Alice Schwarzer cs tentang pornografi sangat berbeda dengan pornografi dan pornoaksi yang dimaksud oleh Syamsuddin Arif. salam, Ni Londo = Penulis adalah peneliti pada Institute for the Studi of Islamic Thought and Civilization (INSISTS). Kini menempuh program doktor keduanya di Universitas Frankfurt, Jerman. Tulisan ini dimuat di www.hidayatullah.com ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Barat dan Free Sex,
liebe Mbak Ida, --- idakhouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: O gicu tho maksudnya Ni Londo (Ni maksudnya semacam Mbak kan ya?) betul... dulu teman saya orang Jawa manggil saya dengan nama itu... katanya, Ni itu untuk perempuan yang masih muda, Nyi itu untuk perempuan yang sudah lebih tua atau lebih senior. Tapi banyak orang juga mengertinya sebagai (u)ni, jadi dalam bahasa Minang mbak... boleh juga... :) Ni Londo mungkin sering dengar gimana kampungannya cowok2 Indonesia kalau ada kesempatan ke daerah wisata red-light districts? kenalan saya, seorang guide, suka malu bawa2 mereka2 itu PSK2 --yang sudah dianggap profesional-- bahkan sampe berani melecehkan cowok2 itu katanya sih sebagai guidenya kan jadi malu juga. Belum lagi kalau masuk sex shops dengan gaya kampungannya benar2 memalukan saya belum pernah menemani teman2 Indonesia yang baru datang ke Jerman ke red light districts... jadi saya sendiri tidak punya pengalaman first hand. Tetapi beberapa tahun yang lalu saya pernah ajak teman saya orang Jerman ikut nonton film Indonesia yang diputar di Universitas kami. Filmnya oleh Garin Nugroho, Cinta Dalam Sepotong Roti. Audiensnya kebanyakan orang Indonesia, mahasiswa dan orang Indonesia yang sudah lama tinggal di Jerman. Jadi semua sudah dewasa. Tapi saya cukup malu terhadap teman Jerman saya pas ada adegan dengan seorang cewek berpakaian seksi dan ketat2, soalnya banyak penonton Indonesia yang laki2 bereaksi seperti di Jerman anak2 laki2 yg lagu hot pubernya... seperti baru mulai sadar akan adanya seksualitas... excitednya itu lho, sambil ber-wah atau wuiiih atau h! dan selalu ketawa-ketiwi, pokoknya reaksinya puber banget menurut ukuran Jerman... nah saya malu terhadap teman Jerman saya karena dia bingung dengan reaksi dari penonton Indonesia... yang nonton kan bukan anak laki2 umur 13 tahun, tapi sudah umur mahasiswa ke atas... ? salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: tegakkan syariat Islam
btw, informasi tambahan tentang arti ente, dalam bahasa Jerman Ente itu artinya bebek... :)) mau tak mau setiap kali saya membaca kata ente yang terbayang seekor bebek... :P salam, Ni Londo --- idakhouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Oooppss,,, salah yha baik deh kalo gitu Pak Ich :) Kok Pak Ich nggak jawab sih pertanyaan ane, mau diapain tuh gadis? Saya ganti telur jadi mangga deh :))) --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, H. M. Nur Abdurrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bodoh, ana itu bukan nama orang, ana = Ich. Ida ini feremfuan ato lelaki? Kalau Ida feremfuan apa Ida ada telurnya ? Muammar Qaddhafi, yang pake e-mailnya Abah pd mlm/hr Jum'at - Original Message - From: idakhouw To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 23:09 Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Re: tegakkan syariat Islam h,,, kira2 apa ya yang akan dilakukan Pak Ana kalau yang memamerkan telur (yang lebih besar) itu seorang gadis, di hadapan Pak Ana, di tempat sepi, tak ada orang lain lagi Kira-kira Pak Ana ngapain yha [:-?] --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, H. M. Nur Abdurrahman hmna@ wrote: Lalu ya'muruwna bil ma'rufi wayanhawna 'anil munkari (menyuruh berbuat baik, mencegah kemungkaran ) dikemanakan ??? Ingat, Syari'at Islam bukan hanya sekadar urusan privat saja. Kalau nyata-nyata di depan ana Nathanael berbuat maksiyat melakukan yang a-moral, insya-Allah akan ana cegah dengan ana punya tangan, kalau perlu akan ana lumpuhkan, karena itu sudah menjadi ana punya urusan, mencegah kemunkaran. Insya-Allah ana akan istiqamah sok mengurus orang lain yang mengerjakan maksiyat nyata-nyata di depan ana, seperti pernah ana tendang telur burung-nya seorang jahannam yang sengaja ia pertontonkan kepada anak gadis yang sedang lewat di depannya yang kebetulan waktu itu jalanan sedang sepi. Si jahannam itu tidak menyangka, karena ana ada di seberang jalan, ana lari seperti menjemput bola, seperti ana biasa lakukan sebagai back. Ana tendang lagi rahangnya waktu ia jatuh terjerembab, ia pingsan, ana seret ia masukkan ke selokan, habis perkara. Muammar Qaddhafi yang pakai e-mailnya Abah pd mlm/hr Jum'at [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[wanita-muslimah] Words are treated as a crime
Renowned Syrian Poet Adonis: The Arabs are Extinct, Like the Sumerians, Greeks, and Pharaohs; If the Arabs are So Inept They Cannot Be Democratic, External Intervention Will Not Make Them So To view this Special Dispatch in HTML, visit: http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD112106 . The poet Ali Ahmad Sa'id (b. 1930), known by his pseudonym Adonis, a 2005 candidate for the Nobel Prize for Literature, left his native Syria for Lebanon in the 1950s following six months' imprisonment for political activity. In 1973, he received his Ph.D. from St. Joseph University in Beirut; in 1985, he settled in Paris, where he now works as a writer and literary critic. Among other occupations, he has edited the modernist magazine Mawaqif (Viewpoints), and translated some of the great French poets into Arabic. The following are excerpts from an interview with Syrian poet Adonis, aired on Dubai TV on March 11, 2006. TO VIEW THIS CLIP: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9P1=1076 . Adonis: Words are treated as a crime today. Throughout history, there has never been anything similar to what's happening today in our Arab society - when you say a word, it is like committing a crime. Interviewer: True. Adonis: Words and opinions are treated as a crime. This is inconceivable. Interviewer: You can be arrested for writing an article. Adonis: That's one example. [...] In the Koran itself, it says that Allah listened to his first enemy, Satan, and Satan refused to obey him. I believe that Allah was capable of wiping out Satan, yet He listened to Satan's refusal to obey Him. At the very least, we demand that Muslims today listen to people with different opinions. [...] Interviewer: How do you view the plan for democracy, the 'Greater Middle East' plan? Adonis: First of all, I oppose any external intervention in Arab affairs. If the Arabs are so inept that they cannot be democratic by themselves, they can never be democratic through the intervention of others. If we want to be democratic, we must be so by ourselves. But the preconditions for democracy do not exist in Arab society, and cannot exist unless religion is reexamined in a new and accurate way, and unless religion becomes a personal and spiritual experience, which must be respected. On the other hand, all issues pertaining to civil and human affairs must be left up to the law and to the people themselves. Interviewer: Mr. Adonis, how do you view the democracy in Palestine, which brought Hamas to power? Adonis: I support it, but I oppose the establishment of any state on the basis of religion, even if it's done by Hamas. Interviewer: Even if it liberates Palestine? Adonis: Yes, because in such a case, it would be my duty to fight this religious state. [...] Interviewer: What are the reasons for growing glorification of dictatorships - sometimes in the name of pan-Arabism, and other times in the name of rejecting foreigners? The glorification comes even from the elites, as can be seen, for example, in the Saddam Hussein trial, and in all the people who support him. Adonis: This phenomenon is very dangerous, and I believe it has to do with the concept of 'oneness,' which is reflected - in practical or political terms - in the concept of the hero, the savior, or the leader. This concept offers an inner sense of security to people who are afraid of freedom. Some human beings are afraid of freedom. Interviewer: Because it is synonymous with anarchy? Adonis: No, because being free is a great burden. It is by no means easy. Interviewer: You've got to have a boss... Adonis: When you are free, you have to face reality, the world in its entirety. You have to deal with the world's problems, with everything... Interviewer: With all the issues... Adonis: On the other hand, if we are slaves, we can be content and not have to deal with anything. Just as Allah solves all our problems, the dictator will solve all our problems. [...] I don't understand what is happening in Arab society today. I don't know how to interpret this situation, except by making the following hypothesis: When I look at the Arab world, with all its resources, the capacities of Arab individuals, especially abroad - you will find among them great philosophers, scientists, engineers, and doctors. In other words, the Arab individual is no less smart, no less a genius, than anyone else in the world. He can excel - but only outside his society. I have nothing against the individuals - only against the institutions and the regimes. If I look at the Arabs, with all their resources and great capacities, and I compare what they have achieved over the past century with what others have achieved in that period, I would have to say that we Arabs are in a phase of extinction, in the sense that we have no creative presence in the world. Interviewer: Are we on the brink of extinction, or are we already extinct? Adonis: We have become extinct. We have the quantity. We have the
Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Barat dan Free Sex,
Tentang seks dalam film Barat: kalau filmnya bermutu, adegan seks itu pasti proporsional dengan ceritanya, artinya tidak dipertunjukkan secara ekstrim atau wah ini kesempatan utk adegan porno, tetapi justru harus sesuai dengan character development dalam cerita. Dalam kehidupan manusia seksualitas merupakan salah satu unsur dari perkembangan kepribadian seseorang. Tujuan film Barat (yang bermutu, bukan film porno) justru menggambarkan character development secara kompleks, termasuk peran seksualitasnya. Seksualitas juga ditunjukkan bukan hanya sebagai sesuatu yang serba wah (itu fungsi film porno), tetapi sebagai salah satu tempat human experience yang penuh dengan ambiguity dan potential conflicts. Film yang bermutu dan bagus berhasil dalam membangun narasi yang membahas human dilemmas secara dalam dan tanpa menyederhanakan konflik batin yang terdapat dalam setiap individu. Seksualitas itu salah satu aspek kehidupan kita di mana banyak orang mengalami konflik batin, baik konflik yang sudah eksplisit, maupun konflik yang implisit/latent. Makanya seksualitas juga diangkat menjadi salah satu topik dalam film Barat. Seksualitas itu diakui sebagai sebagian dari realitas kita sebagai manusia. Itu bedanya dengan film porno. Dalam film porno, seksualitas itu hanya serba wah saja. Topiknya cuman itu aja. Asik, nothing else. Dan film porno itu merupakan visualisasi fantasi laki2. Film yang bermutu justru akan mengangkat bedanya dan konflik antara male sex phantasies dengan realitas sebagai topik yang dibahas dalam narasinya. Btw, ngomongin film porno, saya sering agak heran, di Indonesia film porno kok sering dianggap sebagai dokumentasi tentang seks yang (lebih) baik dan benar, yang patut untuk ditiru? Sepertinya seks yang digambarkan oleh film porno dianggap this is how good sex should be dan para istri diminta untuk meniru adegan perempuan dalam film xxx? Rasanya heran karena di Barat film porno itu dianggap hanya meladeni fantasi seks khas laki2 saja, seks dalam film porno itu sama sekali tidak memperdulikan kebutuhan seksual perempuan yang tidak sama dengan kebutuhan laki2. Makanya di Barat biasanya para perempuan tidak tertarik dengan film xxx. Konotasi film xxx itu justru bahwa film spt itu ditujukan untuk laki2 yang kesepian. Laki2 yg gak laris, yg gak dapet partner, yg lagi kesepian di kamar hotel dsb. Perempuan barat akan cukup heran kalau mereka disuruh utk ikut nonton film porno supaya bisa belajar dari film itu. Karena film porno itu hanya tentang fantasi seksual pihak laki2, peran perempuan dalam film itu hanya merupakan visualisasi dari fantasi laki2. Jadi heran juga kalau banyak perempuan Indonesia begitu antusias ingin identifikasi diri dengan peran perempuan dalam film porno... salam, Ni Londo --- Ary Setijadi Prihatmanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Bang Wida, Namanya juga film Bang Wida, selain produk budaya tapi juga suatu komoditas ekonomi. Bagaimana kalau kita melihat bangsa Indonesia dari telenovelanya Punjabi. Atau dari sinetron-sinetron misteri yang marak belakangan ini. Bukankah itu mayoritas produk budaya sinematografi kita? Apakah hal itu bangsa kita kira-kira spt. itu? IMHO, Kita bisa mendapatkan hint ttg bangsa itu dari produk suatu bangsa termasuk film. Tapi nggak bisa setelanjang itu dong mengambil hint-nya. Film itu spt. orang mimpi ttg ide-ide, ada obsesi, ada trauma, ada ketakutan2, ada otokritik Makin lama saya melihat, selain beberapa hal yang sifatnya artifisial, manusia di manapun dia berasal sebetulnya isi kepalanya sangat mirip. Salam Ary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Barat dan Free Sex, Salam juga mas KM, ya.. mungkin saya salah menilai Barat hanya dari Film, sekalipun memang ada juga film Barat yang jelas2 mnunjukkan perilaku anak mudanya, seperti American Pie, Sex and The City, dan yang sejenis itu. Lalu kalau ternyata film2 itu terlalu jauh dengan gambaran yang ada di Barat, saya bingung juga nih. Apa maksud dibuatnya film2 itu? Untuk mengelabui orang-orang yang jauh dari Barat? Agar mengikuti pola hidup yang disuguhkan di Film itu sekalipun itu bertolak belakang dengan kehidupan di Barat itu? Juga dengan keberadaan Situs Porno, VCD Porno dan majalah porno? Saya tidak anti Barat secara keseluruhan. Banyak sekali hal yang positif di masyarakat Barat, yang sayangnya sering terdistorsi oleh film2 Holywood ya? Saya suka film Disney. Juga film2 yang serius atau berkisah keluarga. Atau untuk mengenang masa kecil saya dengan film2 Marvel: Sipderman, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Dare Devil, dll. Tetapi ada juga yang saya tidak setujui dari Barat. Sebagaimana kita juga bisa memberikan banyak kritik bagi budaya di negara2 Muslim yang sangat jauh tertinggal dari Barat. Tetapi ada juga budaya di
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Barat dan Free Sex,
Mbak Ida, maksud saya, kalau di Indonesia film porno sering dianggap sebagai film yang bermanfaat untuk ditonton oleh suami istri, itu yang membuat saya heran... kalau ada pasangan suami istri nonton film porno demi belajar lebih banyak posisi atau entah apa, itu kan berarti si istri merasa dia harus (atau si istri siap untuk) meniru peran perempuan dalam film porno...? Dan karena saya kenal beberapa perempuan Indonesia yang cukup suka nonton film porno (saya terus terang merasa bosan sekali nonton film2 gituan, tapi kesan saya rata2 lebih banyak teman2 perempuan Indonesia yang merasa excited nonton film porno daripada teman2 saya yang perempuan Jerman), saya menduga mereka suka juga mengimitasi peran perempuan dalam film porno... ? Dan mereka memang bilang mereka bisa belajar dari film2 itu. Saya pernah membaca sebuah studi antropologi tentang Nepal, tentang pengaruh film porno dalam kehidupan rumah tangga orang Nepal. Di sana fenomenanya sama, film porno dari Barat dianggap sebagai dokumentasi, bukan sebagai visualisasi male sex phantasies... sehingga misalnya para istri merasa mereka harus melakukan oral sex karena itu standard, seperti yang ditunjukkan dalam film xxx. Padahal dalam budaya Nepal oral sex itu tidak biasa dan banyak istri yang merasa jiji Tapi para suami bisa minta layanan yang mirip adegan seks di film porno, dengan merujuk ke film2 itu... karena film2 itu dianggap sebagai dokumentasi, how to do it the right and best way... nah saya tidak tahu apakah istri2 Indonesia yang ikut nonton film porno sama suaminya juga merasa harus menyesuaikan perilaku seksnya dengan contoh pihak perempuan dalam film? Kalau iya, saya heran... gitu maksudnya... :) salam, Ni Londo --- idakhouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Bagian pertama komentar Ni Londo mencerahkan, mungkin bisa ditambahkan teori Representasi vs. Realitas oleh Mbak Herni ;-) Namun saya heran kesimpulan(?) Ni Londo kok nggak nyambung ya? :) Ida. --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, ni londo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jadi heran juga kalau banyak perempuan Indonesia begitu antusias ingin identifikasi diri dengan peran perempuan dalam film porno... salam, Ni Londo Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Fw: Re: PENOLAKAN RUU APP
--- ayeye1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: ---cut--- Mas Wida, terminologi seks bebas sering menjadi misleading, khususnya apabila dikaitkan dengan perilaku seksual generasi muda di Barat. Sudah sering saya pernah menyinggung soal itu dalam milis ini :-) ikut nimbrung ya... tentang free sexnya orang Barat yang begitu dashyat dalam fantasi banyak orang Indonesia: baru tadi pagi saya baca dalam majalah Der Spiegel (majalah mingguan terkemuka di Jerman), menurut salah satu penelitian oleh seorang seksolog, di Jerman malah rata2 seorang istri yang umurnya 60 tahun lebih sering melakukan seks (dengan suaminya) daripada seorang laki2 berumur 30 tahun yang berstatus single/jomblo padahal menurut klise tentang jomblo bule, apalagi cowok, pasti sex lifenya serba wah dan hot... pasti gonta-ganti pasangan... kapan saja kalau lagi butuh ya one-night-stand... gampang ah... pasti rajin affair sini affair sana... abis gak ada batasnya, wong hidupnya dalam budaya free sex... begitu fantasinya kan? Bad news: rupanya fantasinya jauh lebih asyik dan hot daripada realitas di lapangan... :-) salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[wanita-muslimah] Violence still
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/print/2006/785/li1.htm Violence still Numerous efforts are exerted to eliminate violence against Egyptian women, but how far they have been echoed in women's day-to-day life, asks Amira El-Noshokaty Another International Women's Day comes by, but Magda Abdel-Rahman has little to celebrate. Abdel-Rahman, a married mother of four, is a government employee with a monthly salary of LE190. She, like several of her colleagues has suffered verbal and physical violence from her husband over the past 16 years. Yet six month ago, his violence took a new form. He stopped supporting her and her children financially. In reaction to the current situation, Abdel-Rahman chose to offer her service as a house-keeper in order to support her family. Last month, she sold her television set to help pay the rent. Since her husband refrained from any financial obligations, she is seriously considering filing a law suit against him. Yet both, procedures and expenses remain grand obstacles. Isn't what's happening to me considered a kind of violence against women? I hear about those women NGOs but where can I find them and can they really help me? Abdel-Rahman is certainly not alone. Violence against women is an interwoven cultural, social and educational dilemma that faces women worldwide. According to the first World Health Organisation's (WHO) multi-country study on women's health and domestic violence against women in 2005, violence against women is a universal phenomenon that persists in all countries of the world. The study that targeted 24,000 women in 10 countries -- unfortunately Egypt is not one of them -- stated that domestic violence is frighteningly common as well as acceptable as normal within too many societies. Since the World Conference on Human Rights in Geneva 1993, the declaration of the elimination of violence against women at the same year, and down to the eight millennium goals, out of which gender equality and women empowerment is a main aim, national and international efforts are exerted to implement human rights-based approaches on governmental and non-governmental levels in order to empower women all over the globe. According to WHO, the Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women (1993) defines violence against women as any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or mental harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivation of liberty, whether occurring in public or in private life. Moreover, it is physical, sexual and psychological violence occurring in the family and in the general community, including battering, sexual abuse of children, dowry-related violence, rape, female genital mutilation and other traditional practices harmful to women, non-spousal violence and violence related to exploitation, sexual harassment and intimidation at work, in educational institutions and elsewhere, trafficking in women, forced prostitution, and violence perpetrated or condoned by the state. Nationally speaking, efforts have drastically increased during the past decade. The way Amani Qandil, director of the Non-Governmental Associations Arab Network, during the 1990s only a handful of women NGOs have took the initiative in breaking the codes of silence, Qandil told Al-Ahram Weekly. Yet ever since the Peking conferences and onwards, women have been on the agenda. By the turn of the new millennium, she continued, the National Council of Women was established as a sincere gesture and confession on behalf of the government stating that the civil society efforts are not enough; that a governmental intervention is needed. And indeed lots of development projects that aimed at women empowerment were implemented. Women research centres, women legal rights, women political rights, women studies, women shelters, and lots of civil societies activities all piled up in order to empower Egyptian women. True lots of micro-credit programmes saved lives of female-headed families, lots of girl-friendly schools and development projects have touched and perhaps altered lives forever. Yet often the issue of sustainability is hardly tangible in some of these development projects that lack a future planning and the concept of networking in order to have a horizontal other than a vertical scope of the impact of such development projects on society at large. However, the effectiveness of such development projects remains quite subtle if one considers the facts and figures. According to Egypt's Human Development Report 2005, (EHDR) over 90 per cent of married women were subjected to female genital mutilation, and the incidence of illiteracy among female-headed households is 85 per cent in rural areas and 57 per cent in urban areas. To Fatemah Suleiman, a dentist's secretary, in her 20s, from a lower-middle class background, the idea of violence against women is quite obvious. I am
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: MUI: Pakaian Pertontonkan Aurat, Simpan di Museum
Mungkin bisa diatur dengan izin khusus dari pemerintah untuk orang yang mau masuk museum yang menyimpan pakaian adat Indonesia. Jadi pemerintah akan memeriksa dulu apakah secara moral bisa dipertanggungjawabkan kalau orang itu melihat materi sensitif dan khusus dewasa alias budaya Indonesia. Anak2 sekolah tentu saja dilarang keras masuk museum tersebut. Terlalu berbahaya...! wah sorri deh, saya kok semakin sinis saja... salam, Ni Londo PS: Pak HMNA, komentar ini BUKAN merupakan pendapat saya. Ini permainan ironi yang sinis, menunjukkan betapa absurdnya usulan MUI tersebut. Tolong jangan mengutip teks saya dalam Seri2 Anda, seperti sudah terjadi dengan salah satu email saya sebelumnya, di mana Anda malah membuang bagian awal dari kalimat pertama, sehingga makna kalimat itu jadi berubah total. Pls. :) --- ayeye1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Pakaian adat Indonesia memang tidak sesuai martabat bangsa ini di waktu kini, tetapi merupakan peninggalan dari jaman pra-moral serta jaman kolonial yang barbar dan anti-moral. Usulan untuk disimpan di musium harus ditolak dengan sekeras-kerasnya, karena musium merupakan tempat publik, sehingga -apabila dipamarkan di musium- bisa merusak moral bangsa, khususnya generasi muda kita yang tercinta. Tolak pornografi! Tolak pornoaksi! Mari kita selamatkan dan bangun bangsa kita, menjadi bangsa yang bermoral, cerdas dan maju! Salam, ayeye --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, Muhkito Afiff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUI: Pakaian Pertontonkan Aurat, Simpan di Museum http://www.kompas.com/utama/news/0603/13/174110.htm Laporan : Heru Margianto Jakarta, KCM Ketua Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), Cholil Ridwan, mengatakan pakaian adat Indonesia yang mempertontonkan aurat sebaiknya disimpan saja di museum. Itu harus dianggap sebagai pornoaksi dan harus masuk dalam kategori porno yang diatur dalam RUU Anti Pornografi dan Pornoaksi (APP). Itu disimpan saja di museum, jangan dilestarikan, karena tidak sesuai dengan martabat bangsa ini. Biar menjadi sejarah bahwa itu pernah menjadi bagian dari bangsa ini, katanya, Senin (13/3). Cholil mengemukakan hal itu ketika ditanya pendapatnya soal revisi RUU APP. Ia tidak sependapat jika pakaian yang mempertontonkan aurat di muka umum tidak termasuk dalam kategori porno. Ia juga tidak sependapat jika pornografi hanya dikategorikan sebagai menjual pornoaksi. Menurutnya, pornografi adalah tindakan orang yang melakukan pornoaksi. Jadi orangnya, misalnya striptease atau mereka yang melakukan tari telanjang, ujarnya. Ia menambahkan, MUI dan ormas Islam sudah membentuk tim yang akan mengawal pembahasan mengenai RUU APP ini. Penulis: Ima Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Perda Banten : Wanita bukan PSK dan sedang hamil pun ditahan.....
--- Mhoel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Itu lah hebatnya jilbab, bisa memperbaiki citra seseorang. Barang busuk jadi kelihatan bagus khan? Apa lagi itu dipake oleh barang bagus, makin tambah bagus deh. Tapi saya setuju pemakaiannya tidak perlu dipaksakan. Mhoel Pak Mhoel... berarti Anda itu menyamakan perempuan dengan sebuah barang, memandang perempuan sebagai obyek yang bisa bagus atau busuk? Maaf, saya protes keras kalau saya sebagai perempuan disamakan dengan sebuah barang dan dinilai seperti orang menilai sebuah barang atau obyek. Kenapa analogi barang itu tidak pernah digunakan untuk menilai dan mendeskripsi laki2? Berarti justru dalam wacana Islam a la Pak Mhoel perempuan disamakan dengan sebuah obyek... obyek yang dinilai dari perspektif laki2, dimana laki2 selalu sebagai subyek, tidak pernah sebagai obyek... ? salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Ni Londo
--- reporter_jalanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Ni Londo, Komentar Anda soal RUU APP amat dipuji oleh pak ustadz HMNA. Kemarin diposting ke email saya Selamat ya wah berarti kalau saya ngelamar mau nyantri ke Pak Ustadz, bakal keterima ya? hehehe :) tapi... ehemm... kok malah dipuji ya komentar saya... gak nyangka hihi... barusan saya baca ulang komentar saya, dan mmh... ternyata emang bisa dimengerti sebagai tuntutan jangan ada pengecualian dalam RUU APP itu untuk Bali, supaya Bali tidak sampai terstigmatisasi sebagai Pulau Porno... padahal maksud saya kan ironis... Jadi sebagai klarifikasi untuk Pak Ustadz HMNA: bagi saya, budaya Bali itu jelas *tidak* porno, budaya Papua juga *tidak* porno. Definisi pornografi dalam RUU APP itu yang sangat rancu dan ngawur dan berpotensial menyebabkan cultural suicide dalam budaya2 Indonesia, menghancurkan perbedaan yang notabene (cmiiw) merupakan sunatullah dalam ajaran Islam. Btw, Islam a la PKS dan RUU APP justru membenarkan stereotipe2 tentang Islam yang terdapat dalam wacana Islamfobia sebagai fakta (orang yg fobia terhadap Islam akan bilang: tuh liat, Islam emang gitu...), jadi jangan heran kalau Islamfobia juga semakin marak... Memang ironis juga ya, Islamnya orang yang fobia Islam dan Islamnya orang ngisfun cenderung sama, cuman penilaiannya beda, buat yg fobia Islam spt itu ya mengerikan, buat yg ngisfun Islam spt itu ya the one and only legitimate form of Islam... salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[wanita-muslimah] Must we respect religiosity?
http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2005-12-02-reemtsma-en.html Jan Philipp Reemtsma Must we respect religiosity? On questions of faith and the pride of the secular society It is said that Western societies are entering an age of post-secularity, in which there is a need for a truth beyond that offered by conventional science. Fine, say liberals, simply take your pick from the many faiths on offer. But from religion's standpoint, the idea that You can believe what you want seems indifferent and mistaken. Respect between the religious and the non-religious is necessary if this tension is not to become intolerance. Though the basis for respect may be different the religious person respects the non-religious person as a potential believer, the non-religious person respects the religious person as an individual with the freedom to decide what or what not to believe the outcome is the same. Secular society takes pride precisely in its refusal to interfere with the beliefs of its members. In excluding Muslim teachers wearing headscarves from state schools, Reemtsma argues, secular society has forgotten this. When people refuse to see anything greater than themselves, any limits to their power, they always end up by debasing life: first Herod, who ordered the deaths of the children of Bethlehem; then, among others, Hitler and Stalin, who had millions of people exterminated; and today, in our own time, unborn children are being killed in their millions. This was part of a sermon given by the cardinal of Cologne, Joachim Meisner. His words caused a stir. The president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Paul Spiegel, spoke of a slander against millions of Holocaust victims and against women forced to make a decision in a crisis. The cardinal claimed in response to have been misunderstood and left out Hitler's name in the printed version of his sermon. For religious Catholics, life begins at conception. In their eyes, as far as the reprehensibility of the act is concerned, it makes no difference whether an embryo, a child, or an adult is killed. According to this view, when hundreds, thousands, or millions of abortions are taking place, mass murder is being committed, and there is absolutely no reason not to compare it to any another historical mass murder even the Holocaust. So, for a religious Catholic, there is nothing scandalous in the cardinal's words. All he has done is express his religious convictions, as befits his office. Of course one may find his religious convictions scandalous. But what of it? A secular society is distinguished by the fact that religion can indeed be practised both in the private and in the public realm, but that the public realm is not defined by any one religion. Even where religion is practised in public, it is a private matter. In a secular society, religion takes place in public because religion is a private matter, and because in a secular society many different private views can play a part in shaping the public sphere. What do I mean by religiosity? Of course I am using a broad concept that includes or at any rate does not automatically exclude not only Christians, Jews, and Muslims, but also Jehova's Witnesses and animists. Being religious consists in the belief that the world cannot be understood in and of itself. Of course, most non-religious people also take the view that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in [our] philosophy. But that has nothing to do with being religious. Nor are people religious if they believe that there are other natural forces besides the ones known to us (for instance those at work in homeopathic medicine), or if they believe in ghosts, telepathy, telekinesis, and whatever else. The division of the world into the accessible and the transcendent People are religious if they believe that whatever we can still discover about the world by one means or another will not be that which holds the world together most fundamentally, the secret of the world, its meaning its essence in some sense. And this essence is what matters. For someone who says that science cannot provide an answer to all these questions, but considers this by no means to be a shortcoming, is clearly not religious. The religious person divides the world into that which is accessible to our quest for knowledge, and which is precisely for that reason not the essence, and the other, essential part, to which there must be some different form of access. A non-religious person cannot therefore prove a religious person's belief to be mistaken in this regard: Virchow failed to find a soul in the autopsies he performed, but, says the religious believer, that was not only not to be expected, it was indeed an impossibility. No space probe will ever be able to show that God does not exist, and no chemical experiment will be able to show that there is no such thing as Dao. Conversely, one who undertakes to prove his God through some form of ritual
[wanita-muslimah] Yenny Wahid, Daughter of Islam
http://www.welt.de/z/plog/blog.php/the_free_west/the_free_wests_weblog/2006/02/25/daughter_of_islam_wsj Daughter of Islam (WSJ) An interesting article for you to read in the Wall Street Journal about a prominent Muslim woman, Ms. Yenny Wahid, who tries to make an important difference in her native country Indonesia. She speaks out against terror and the hijacking of her religion by ideologues. COMMENTARY: THE WEEKEND INTERVIEW Yenny Wahid Daughter of Islam By NANCY DE WOLF SMITH February 25, 2006; Page A10 WASHINGTON -- Yenny Wahid has a smile that could melt a Hershey bar at 100 yards. Her sunny disposition is all the more remarkable because Ms. Wahid is on what may be the world's most difficult mission right now: She's a prominent Muslim (and a woman at that) who speaks out against terror and the hijacking of her religion by ideologues who twist it to their own political ends. After 9/11, many Americans assume that the radical Islamic agenda is to destroy the U.S. The reality is that attacks on Western targets are designed to function as brutal propaganda coups that will attract recruits to the cause of violent revolution. The main goal of ideologues like Osama bin Laden is to topple the governments of Muslim countries, including, most famously, the Wahabi royal regime of Saudi Arabia. But the real strategic plum, Ms. Wahid says, would be her native Indonesia and its 220 million citizens -- with the largest Muslim population on earth. We are the ultimate target, she told me in Washington during a trip to the U.S. earlier this month. The real battle for the hearts and minds of Muslims is happening in Indonesia, not anywhere else. And that's why the world should focus on Indonesia and help. Think of it as a potential domino whose fall would be felt far beyond Asia. It's big enough to destabilize the region, Ms. Wahid notes. But imagine if Indonesia became a hotbed for terrorism, or a source for people to get martyrs from. We've got enough people to provide an army of terrorists if we're not careful. At present, Ms. Wahid calls that a worst-case, doomsday scenario, and she is probably correct, given Indonesia's history of moderate, syncretic Islam, with elements from the region's Hindu and Buddhist past. While there have been demonstrations there over the Danish cartoons that lampooned the prophet Muhammad, they have generally involved a only few hundred people. By contrast, Ms. Wahid points out, a December rally she helped organize under the banner of Islam for Peace attracted some 12,000 marchers. * * * At the head of that crowd, riding in a wheelchair alongside Ms. Wahid, was her father, Abdurrahman Wahid, the respected and beloved Islamic scholar who headed Indonesia's largest Muslim cultural organization, Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), before becoming the first president of newly democratic Indonesia from 1999 to 2001. In a seminal article for this newspaper -- Right Islam vs. Wrong Islam -- Mr. Wahid wrote on Dec. 30 that a terrible danger threatens humanity in the form of an extreme and perverse ideology that grossly distorts the true meaning of the religion. He called on fellow Muslims to end the complicity of silence about terrorism and other acts of intolerance which characterize the radicals' behavior. At 31, Yenny Wahid -- her real name is Zannuba -- is trying to follow her father's example and defend the values their faith teaches. Educated in Indonesia, she got a Master's degree in public administration from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government in 2002. Her ease in Western surroundings is apparent not merely from the snappy cream-colored pantsuit she was wearing when we met but also from her elegantly accented English. She is active in the NU's political wing, the National Awakening Party, and an adviser to Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. The job most dear to her heart, however, is running the Wahid Foundation -- named after her father -- which works to promote, in the words of its Web site (at www.wahidinstitute.org), democratic reform, religious pluralism, multiculturalism and tolerance amongst Muslims and reflects a universal Islam [that] desires justice and prosperity for all. The key word may be prosperity. Indonesia, which was on its way to Asian Tigerhood until the currency crisis of 1997-98, has not recovered from the economic meltdown that coincided with the fall of the Suharto dictatorship. The country is a democracy now, but a struggling one to which few investors have returned. It also has a free press, among the friskiest in Asia. Yet the new openness has also paved the way for vocal opponents of Indonesia's traditional secular approach to government -- voices previously suppressed -- and they are gaining ground. It is still politically incorrect to call for an Islamic state; and the mainstream press, along with the vast majority of Indonesians, vigorously supports efforts to fight and arrest terrorists such as the ones who perpetrated the Bali and
[wanita-muslimah] Banning the Burka
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-476/_nr-533/i.html Banning the Burka Facing up to Islam in the Netherlands As the Dutch parliament considers banning the burka from all public spaces, a measure that would apply to fifty or so women in total, Markha Valenta explores how a piece of clothing is disturbing the Netherlands' tradition of tolerance Once again, the Netherlands surprises. Flying in the face of a centuries-old commitment to freedom of religion, of conscience, and of expression, it is about to prohibit Muslim women from covering their faces in public. Should this legislation pass, and apply to the whole of the public sphere as the Dutch parliament desires, it will constitute one of the most restrictive responses to Islamic clothing both in Europe and beyond. Only one other western country, France, has passed legislation aimed at restricting Islamic dress at the national level. But the French law has some significant differences: it is more limited in the spaces it targets schools and other public buildings; and it applies to all forms of ostentatious religious dress, not just Islamic ones (though, of course, it was the Islamic veil that generated the legislation in the first place). The Islamic facial veil's eradication Other countries, such as Germany, Belgium and Denmark have also seen legislation enabling the restriction of Islamic dress, but only at either the local level or in the realm of private business. The Dutch legislation, by contrast, would entirely remove the niqab and the burka from the public space. This is the Islamic facial veil's eradication rather than privatisation, to the extent that the veil only has a function in public and not in private. Proposed some months ago by the populist anti-Islamic MP Geert Wilders, the idea was immediately taken up by Rita Verdonk, the Dutch minister of integration and immigration. Her first step was to commission a report on the legislation's legal feasibility, analyzing whether or not it would constitute religious discrimination and to what extent it would overlap with current laws that already require all people to be identifiable when in public (therefore prohibiting the wearing of balaclavas, carnival masks, and so forth). Her report is due any day now. Late last December, however, well in advance of the report's publication, the Liberal and the Christian Democratic parties in Parliament had already expressed their support for such a ban. Reasons given by Geert Wilders and other politicians included those of defending women's equality, ensuring public safety and security, and asserting the need for Muslims to integrate into Dutch society. Does this heavy-handed approach seal the failure of Dutch tolerance? The paradoxes of the situation suggest that such a surface analysis cannot capture the very modern aspects of the Netherlands' and indeed Europe's dilemma. Through Dutch eyes One million of Holland's sixteen million citizens are Muslim, roughly six percent. This is the second-highest percentage in Europe after France's, at ten percent. Of these million, only a handful of women, fifty or so, wear a burka. That is, fewer than a dozen per major city. Probably less. In light of this, the legislation constitutes little more than a bit of symbolic politics in what is, according to a recent Pew Global Attitudes study, the most anti-Islamic country in the west. Though others may be more concerned than the Dutch about Islamic extremism or the entry of Turkey into the European Union, the Netherlands is the only country in the west where a majority actually views Muslims unfavorably (51%, followed by the Germans at 47%). By contrast, majorities of the French, British, and Americans view Muslims favorably, and even very favorably. Correspondingly, while ethnically Dutch opponents of the ban oppose it on the grounds of freedom of expression and freedom of religion, many and perhaps most Muslims, whatever their dress, see in the ban yet one more expression of a Dutch aversion to Islam. It is not so much the ban itself troubles them, since so few of them cover their faces or have mothers and wives who do so, but rather the way it would seem to confirm and strengthen the Dutch rejection of Islam and, by extension, of Dutch Muslims. In this sense, while specifically targeting only a minute proportion of Dutch Muslims, the legislation actually touches the whole of Dutch Muslim citizenry. Women with veils wonder if they will be next; women without are reminded that however integrated they are, however modern they may look, the Dutch will not let them forget that they are not quite Dutch; and all Muslims recognize in this legislation the assumption of Islamic inferiority. Influence and enlightenment Whatever the reasons given for supporting or contesting the legislation, the logic driving it is the widespread conviction in and beyond the Netherlands that neither Islam nor Muslims have within themselves the resources and
[wanita-muslimah] Democracy's Enemy Within
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-476/_nr-530/i.html Islamism in Indonesia Democracy's Enemy Within Indonesia's Justice and Prosperity Party, PKS, threatens Indonesia with ballots more than bullets, writes Sadanand Dhume. It shares the radical beliefs of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and threatens the nation's success in a globalizing world As world leaders condemned last month's suicide bombings on the resort island of Bali, Indonesian leaders set a different tone. Hidayat Nur Wahid, speaker of the People's Consultative Assembly (Indonesia's highest legislative body) pooh-poohed the idea of another terrorist strike just three years after the October 2002 attack that killed more than 200 people, and instead blamed the most recent bombings on rivalries within the local tourism industry. For those who follow Indonesia, Nur Wahid's comments hardly came as a surprise. The speaker has been one of the most outspoken defenders of Abu Bakar Bashir, the spiritual head of Jemaah Islamiyahal Qaeda's Southeast Asian franchise. Nur Wahid is also the former head of the Justice and Prosperity Party (PKS), which threatens to import a more subtle form of radical Islam to Indonesiaand which is rising rapidly. In the seven years since it was founded the Justice Party has emerged as the country's most disciplined political force. In last year's election it won nearly 7.5 percent of the vote and 45 seats, making it the seventh-largest party in Indonesia's parliament. Indonesia's fabled heterodoxy has faded On the face of it you couldn't seem to find less promising ground for militant Islam than Indonesia. Indonesian Islam has long been famed for an easygoing approach to the faith that incorporates elements of Hinduism and Buddhism, which preceded Islam on the archipelago by more than a millenium. Over the past three decades, however, Indonesia's fabled heterodoxy has faded. During his 32-year rule anti-communist strongman General Suharto enforced uniform religious education in schools. At the same time, petrodollars from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf financed mosques and preachers demanding a purer reading of Islam. The Internet and desktop publishing imported the discourse of Riyadh and Tehran to Java, Sumatra and Sulawesi. Indonesia was rapidly urbanizing in the 1980s. Many college students were the first in their families to acquire a higher education or to live in a city. Tarbiyah gave its members a sense of purpose and dignity; simple ideas of right and wrong; a framework for understanding the changes taking place around them. By the early 1990s it controlled student movements in virtually all of Indonesia's largest public universities. Muslim Brotherhood ideology With the end of the Suharto era in 1998, the first generation of Tarbiyah activists emerged in the open and formed the Justice Party. In 1999 the new party won only 1.4 percent of the votebelow the 2 percent threshold to participate in the next election. Undeterred, it simply sidestepped the law by changing its name to the Justice and Prosperity Party. The party's top leadership is steeped in Brotherhood ideology. Nur Wahid, who resigned from the party chairmanship last year to take his present position, holds a B.A., M.A. and Ph.D. from the Brotherhood-founded University of Medina in Saudi Arabia. Party Secretary-General Anis Matta graduated from the Jakarta branch of Riyadh's Al-Imam Muhammad bin Saud University, also linked to the Brotherhood. The party has the blessing of today's most prominent Muslim Brother, the Egyptian-born cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who believes that democratic means can be used to pursue Islamist ends. He has visited Indonesia several times over the last twenty years and is quoted in the Justice Party's founding manifesto. Tight-knit party cadres The party has grown from 60,000 members in 1999 to between 400,000 and 500,000 in 2004.What explains its extraordinary success? For one, it is the only party in the country based on a network of tight-knit cadres. These well-trained party workers, many graduates of technical and scientific departments, tend to be driven and organized. The party also takes its self-image as an agent of moral reform seriously. It's virtually impossible to find a Justice Party member who smokes or a female party member without the headscarf. When there's a natural disaster such as last year's tsunami, party cadres are among the first volunteers at the scene. Despite the Justice Party's social work, little separates its thinking from Jemaah Islamiyah's. Like Jemaah Islamiyah, in its founding manifesto, the Justice Party called for the creation of an Islamic caliphate. Like Jemaah Islamiyah, it has placed secrecyfacilitated by the cell structure both groups borrowed from the Brotherhoodat the heart of its organization. Selective vision of modernity Both offer a selective vision of modernityone in which global science and technology are welcome, but un-Islamic values are shunned. The
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Perang Identitas - Re: kartun yg melecehkan Rasul SAW
agresif, sexist dan super duper patriarkinya itu lho (dan mungkin ada bias/stereotype laki2 afrika = agresif, potensial melakukan tindakan kriminal). cewek Jerman juga banyak yang suka sama cowok Afrika... dianggap sangat jantan, sangat maskulin... dan sangat sensual, tidak kaku2 spt klise cowok bule... Tapi hubungan mereka (co Afrika dgn ce bule) juga rata2 tidak bertahan lama... (sama dengan cowok Asia dengan cewek bule). Yang masih paling langgeng mungkin memang cowok bule dengan cewek Asia... paling pas kali ya hehehe... :) salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Selera Laki2 Kaukasian
--- Aisha [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Yang dimaksud jelek seperti pembokat (pembantu) itu bukan kulit coklatnya - kulit coklat sih kata temen2 bule justru kulit sensual, tapi bentuk wajah - mungkin karena di Indonesia itu orang menceritakan cantik itu dengan bentuk hidung mancung, bibir yang bagus (tidak terlalu tebal tapi tidak tipis), dll. Jadi kalau ada yang berhidung pesek (mancung kedalam? ..:) atau bibir yang tidak indah, dll disebut tidak cantik. Hallo Mbak Aisha yang baik, mungkin ini masalah apriori ya, jadi pesek langsung dianggap jelek, sedangkan untuk bule hidung pesek malah bisa lucu dan bagus lho... dan bibir tebal malah sensual banget... bule kan sering bibirnya agak tipis, jadi dianggap kurang sensual hehehe... saya rasa pesek atau tidak, yang penting bentuk wajahnya dianggap proporsional dan seimbang, jadi enak dipandang. Kalau hidung mancung, bentuknya sering cenderung terlalu dominan dalam muka lho. Hidung mancung lebih berisiko untuk membuat muka tidak proporsional dan seimbang, entah karena terlalu mancung, terlalu dominan, terlalu bentuknya gimana gitu... nah kalau hidung pesek kan pesek aja, gak banyak risiko utk menyimpang hehehe... :) Jadi wajah tetep enak untuk dipandang. Saya pernah nonton dokumentasi di tv tentang kelas menengah di Iran, perempuan di sana ramai2 operasi plastik mengecilkan hidung mancung mereka... karena dianggap terlalu mancung dan terlalu dominan dalam wajahnya. hihi kok jadi ngomongin bentuk hidung ya... :) Tidak punya akses ke perempuan cantik? Memangnya bule2 tidak mau menunggu, jadi langsung samber yang tersedia? ...:) saya sering dengar, cowok suka memuji cewek yang cantik, tapi untuk mencari pasangan hidup, mereka sering merasa lebih nyaman dengan cewek yang biasa-biasa saja. Sering juga cowok takut mendekati cewek yang super cantik... takut ditolak karena siapa tahu cewek yang super cantik itu seleranya juga serba tinggi... jadi ya lebih gampang dan kurang stress dengan cewek yang sedang2 saja. Dari teman2 bule saya yang berpasangan, banyak yg ceweknya ya biasa2 saja. Sedangkan dari yang cantik2, kok rasanya lebih susah ya menemukan pendamping hidup? Banyak yang masih single. Atau itu hanya berlaku di Jerman sini? gak tahu juga ya... tapi yang jelas, norma2 masyarakat tentang kecantikan itu kayaknya tidak terlalu dominan dalam menentukan apakah kita jatuh cinta atau tidak... saya setuju dengan Pak Ayeye dalam hal ini. salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [wanita-muslimah] First Mosque for Women in Kabul
--- Aisha [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hal Ni Londo ..:) Hal Mbak Aisha... :)) Di Indonesia mesjid itu untuk laki2 dan perempuan, perempuan bisa sholat di bagian belakang, para ibu2 juga menggunakan mesjid untuk pengajian, untuk akad nikah, dll. Di negara2 lain memang mesjid hanya untuk laki2 ya, padahal di zaman Nabi, mesjid itu untuk perempuan juga kan? dari Indonesia dan Malaysia saya tahunya ya masjid untuk laki2 dan perempuan, tapi di TimTeng kayaknya lain ya... berarti dalam hal ini Indonesia dan Malaysia sudah lebh Islami daripada dunia Arab... :) Kalau ada hari raya Islam, di koran Jerman biasanya ada foto orang sholat Id di mesjid. Fotonya biasanya dari Indonesia, yang sholat ya perempuan, semua bermukena putih... biasanya foto dari mesjid Istiqlal. Motif ini kayaknya dianggap paling berkesan untuk dunia non-Muslim, lautan jilbab eh mukena putih gitu... btw, ada yang tahu asal-usulnya mukena itu? soalnya, setahu saya perempuan di Afrika Utara dan Turki kalau sholat tidak mengenakan mukena spt di Indonesia dan Malaysia. Mereka cukup dengan jilbab dan baju yang lagi dipakai. Kalau di Indonesia sepertinya wajib ya mengenakan mukena kalau sholat? salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[wanita-muslimah] Outlook India: Death Becomes Her
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060227fname=Cover+Story+%28F%29sid=1 Feb 27, 2006 Death Becomes Her Punjab has the worst sex ratio in the country. Female foeticide is at an alarming high. The worst culprits are the affluent. CHANDER SUTA DOGRA *** Kulwinder Kaur Housewife: I have two daughters and my mother-in-law is threatening to get another wife for her son if I dont have a boy. I got an abortion done last year when the scan showed it was a female foetus. This time I have been lucky. Simran College Lecturer: I have one girl and cannot afford to have another daughter. Its so difficult to marry them off as boys demand hefty dowries. I have undergone five abortions at a private nursing home as all of them were female foetuses. I may not be able to conceive again. Kashmiri Devi Housewife: Ive two daughters, after which I had four abortions because the foetuses were female. Now, I want to have a son of my own so that he can take care of us in our old age. Satinder Kaur Wife of a landed farmer: I have one daughter, and I know that if I dont have a son soon my status in the family will come down. Femicide is not an issue in our family. I got my last pregnancy aborted, it helped me to limit our family size. Otherwise I could be saddled with a whole lot of girls until I get a boy. Satnam Singh Sarpanch, Nai Majara: No matter what people might say, at heart everyone wants a son. Imagine the plight of a couple who has two daughters in a row. Life in Punjab is cruel for those with too many daughters. *** Look hard and you won't find anything out of the ordinary in Dhanduha village in Punjab's Nawanshahr district. But anganwadi worker Harminder Kaur knows well the foul secrets her village keeps. As she produces her register, which maintains a record of all births which take place in the village, she says, I've been telling these women not to go in for female foeticide as it's against the law and bodes ill for our society. Words which most anganwadi workers and health department officials in rural Punjab can mouth in their sleep. Dhanduha's register shows that of the seven babies born in the last six months, there were six boys and just one girl. In the last one year, against 12 boys only three girls were born, and in the last five years, 34 baby boys were born as against only 18 girls. A sex ratio of just 529:1000! But it's not fair to point fingers at Dhanduha. Everyone in the district knows of Nai Majara, the village where an on-the-spot survey conducted by deputy commissioner Krishan Kumar a month ago, of children in the 0-1 age group, came up with a ratio of 437:1000. A local NGO staged an instant demonstration in the village but its sarpanch Satnam Singh wrings his hands in despair. It's such a shame for our village, but what can I do? This happens everywhere. Sure it does. And much more than anyone previously imagined. Gobindpura is a village just off the main road to Jalandhar, with pretty bungalows built with money sent home by its expatriate population. With its fields of yellow mustard, the wheat crop just beginning to ripen and the juicy sugarcane ready for harvesting, Gobindpura presents a picture of agrarian prosperity. A prosperity which many feel is responsible for the village's fast falling sex ratio. Out of the 24 baby boys born in the last one year, the village produced just 10 girls. A sex ratio of 416:1000. A few years ago it was slightly better, at 636:1000. Nawanshahr district's gory secrets began tumbling out when Krishan Kumar took over as the deputy commissioner in May last year. Kumar took it upon himself to improve the female sex ratio of his district to a respectable level.Nine months into the campaign and Nawanshahr has uncovered a sordid story of rampant female foeticide which goes on with the active participation of the state's health department officials. It all began when Kumar initiated a survey of all children from 0-6 years in the 477 villages of the district, to gauge the extent of the problem in his area. It turned out that there are 16 villages where the ratio is in the range of 500:1000. And 65 more villages recorded a ratio of below 700:1000. These are prosperous villages in the state's Doaba belt. Mud houses are a rarity in these parts, and grand mansions built by NRIs or even prosperous villagers are common. Incidentally, Nawanshahr had emerged as one of Punjab's better districts according to the sex ratio mapped in the 2001 census, in which it stood at 808:1000. By 2004, it had fallen to 775. Manjit Kaur with her husband, daughter, mother-in-law who had an abortion at the nursing home Kumar suspects the situation in the four towns of the district, still to be surveyed, would be much worse because of greater accessibility to scanning centres and clinics. Villages like Sekhopur, Kador, Sultanpur, Sajawalpur, Jatpura, Kherevewal and many others like them, all with a sex ratio below 700:1000, are a sad reflection of a chilling trend
[wanita-muslimah] New York Times Book Review: Wounded by the West
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/books/review/12mishra.html?ex=1140584400en=c9ae17e4decc7e17ei=5070 February 12, 2006 'The Inheritance of Loss,' by Kiran Desai Wounded by the West Review by PANKAJ MISHRA ALTHOUGH it focuses on the fate of a few powerless individuals, Kiran Desai's extraordinary new novel manages to explore, with intimacy and insight, just about every contemporary international issue: globalization, multiculturalism, economic inequality, fundamentalism and terrorist violence. Despite being set in the mid-1980's, it seems the best kind of post-9/11 novel. The Inheritance of Loss opens with a teenage Indian girl, an orphan called Sai, living with her Cambridge-educated Anglophile grandfather, a retired judge, in the town of Kalimpong on the Indian side of the Himalayas. Sai is romantically involved with her math tutor, Gyan, the descendant of a Nepali Gurkha mercenary, but he eventually recoils from her obvious privilege and falls in with a group of ethnic Nepalese insurgents. In a parallel narrative, we are shown the life of Biju, the son of Sai's grandfather's cook, who belongs to the shadow class of illegal immigrants in New York and spends much of his time dodging the authorities, moving from one ill-paid job to another. What binds these seemingly disparate characters is a shared historical legacy and a common experience of impotence and humiliation. Certain moves made long ago had produced all of them, Desai writes, referring to centuries of subjection by the economic and cultural power of the West. But the beginnings of an apparently leveled field in a late-20th-century global economy serve merely to scratch those wounds rather than heal them. Almost all of Desai's characters have been stunted by their encounters with the West. As a student, isolated in racist England, the future judge feels barely human at all and leaps when touched on the arm as if from an unbearable intimacy. Yet on his return to India, he finds himself despising his apparently backward Indian wife. The judge is one of those ridiculous Indians, as the novel puts it, who couldn't rid themselves of what they had broken their souls to learn and whose Anglophilia can only turn into self-hatred. These Indians are also an unwanted anachronism in postcolonial India, where long-suppressed peoples have begun to awaken to their dereliction, to express their anger and despair. For some of Desai's characters, including one of the judge's neighbors in Kalimpong, this comes as a distinct shock: Just when Lola had thought it would continue, a hundred years like the one past Trollope, BBC, a burst of hilarity at Christmas all of a sudden, all that they had claimed innocent, fun, funny, not really to matter, was proven wrong. There is no mistaking the literary influences on Desai's exploration of postcolonial chaos and despair. Early in the novel, she sets two Anglophilic Indian women to discussing A Bend in the River, V. S. Naipaul's powerfully bleak novel about traditional Africa's encounter with the modern world. Lola, whose clothesline sags under a load of Marks and Spencer's panties, thinks Naipaul is strange. Stuck in the past. . . . He has not progressed. Colonial neurosis, he's never freed himself from it. Lola goes on to accuse Naipaul of ignoring the fact that there is a new England, a completely cosmopolitan society where chicken tikka masala has replaced fish and chips as the No. 1 takeout dinner. As further evidence, she mentions her own daughter, a newsreader for BBC radio, who doesn't have a chip on her shoulder. Desai takes a skeptical view of the West's consumer-driven multiculturalism, noting the sanitized elegance of Lola's daughter's British-accented voice, which is triumphant over any horrors the world might thrust upon others. At such moments, Desai seems far from writers like Zadie Smith and Hari Kunzru, whose fiction takes a generally optimistic view of what Salman Rushdie has called hybridity, impurity, intermingling, the transformation that comes of new and unexpected combinations of human beings, cultures, ideas, politics, movies, songs. In fact, Desai's novel seems to argue that such multiculturalism, confined to the Western metropolis and academe, doesn't begin to address the causes of extremism and violence in the modern world. Nor, it suggests, can economic globalization become a route to prosperity for the downtrodden. Profit, Desai observes at one point, could only be harvested in the gap between nations, working one against the other. This leaves most people in the postcolonial world with only the promise of a shabby modernity modernity, as Desai puts it, in its meanest form, brand-new one day, in ruin the next. Not surprisingly, half-educated, uprooted men like Gyan gravitate to the first available political cause in their search for a better way. He joins what sounds like an ethnic nationalist movement largely as an opportunity to vent his rage and frustration. Old hatreds are
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: [ppiindia] Tiap Menit 1,3 Wanita Diperkosa di AS!
--- irwank [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Angka segitu di luar 'yang suka-sama-suka' baik yang pake bayaran maupun tidak, betul gak? Kalau yang 3s dihitung juga, jadi berapa tuh angkanya? :-p (Pake common sense) beda antara 'perkosaan' dan 3s, cuma di soal kesepakatan atau tidak. Di luar unsur 'memanfaatkan' keluguan dan kepercayaan salah satu pihak. Misalnya: kepada 'pacar', atau soal diporotin 'x matre' (baca: x bisa diganti dengan cewek or cowok).. Pak Irwank, wah itu common sense yg menarik... kalau dipikir2, sebenarnya gak beda juga ya antara mencuri dan meminjam... abis, bedanya ya cuman di soal kesepakatan atau tidak. Mencuri: tidak sepakat, alias ambil aja tanpa nanya dulu minta ijin. Pinjam: nanya dulu, tapi itu cenderung hanya memanfaatkan keluguan dan kepercayaan salah satu pihak, ya kan? Esensinya kan tetep sama: barang X punya si A sekarang di tangan si B. Mau sepakat atau tidak, itu kan hanya eufemisme, blablabla aja... esensinya ya barang x sekarang di tangan B, padahal yg punya A. Titik... :-) ttg melompat dari angka pemerkosaan langsung ke pornografi, kayaknya udah sering dibahas di sini... coba baca lagi teksnya, ternyata di Jepang di mana pornografi kalau tak salah paling bebas, angka pemerkosaan termasuk paling rendah. Dan coba lihat angka untuk Jerman dan Inggris. Di Jerman dan Inggris juga lebih bebas untuk pornografi daripada di Amrik, tapi angka pemerkosaan kok lebih sedikit? any ideas why this might be so? Menurut logika Anda kan mestinya justru lebih parah lagi... ? salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[wanita-muslimah] First Mosque for Women in Kabul
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-399/i.html First Mosque for Women in Kabul God Isn't Only There for Men Over the past few decades, women in Islamic countries have become more self-assertive and have also rediscovered going to the mosque. These developments are now gradually being felt in Afghanistan. The first official mosque for women recently opened in Kabul. Ratbil Shamel reports The imam calls the faithful to prayer and Muslims all over the world heed this call five times a day - even in Afghanistan. Just as in most other predominantly Islamic countries, the mosques of the Hindu Kush are almost exclusively attended by men. Things are now about to change at the request of many women, especially those living in the capital Kabul. In addition, the State Ministry for Religious Affairs has given its expressed permission and support. God is not only there for men, argues the Afghan Women's Association. Women want to be more visible in public. The mosque as a house of God should no longer remain the exclusive domain of men. Following a request from the women's association, an existing mosque in the east of Kabul was renovated a few months ago and officially declared a mosque for men and women. They weren't given the whole of the Imam Ali Mosque. Even so, the second floor of the building is now reserved for women. There is room for 150 persons. The opening of the women's mosque has been a historic success for us. It is the first such mosque in the history of our country. And I am certain that we will witness the establishment of other such houses of God throughout the whole of Afghanistan, said Roh Afzah from the Ministry for Religious Affairs enthusiastically. Hardly any criticism raised Outside of Kabul, however, tradition still reigns. For the most part, traditional practices are respected more than state law and, in effect, even more than religious prescripts. The majority simply ignore the fact that men and women have an equal right to pray in the mosque. Tradition restricts the role of women to the domestic sphere. Public space is set aside for men. What is possible in Kabul isn't necessarily applicable to other areas of Afghanistan. Nevertheless, many Afghan women's associations have been campaigning for the establishment of women's mosques outside of Kabul. They argue that in the long term, equal treatment in religious matters will also strengthen the role women play in society. This is why they are not only promoting the setting up of further women's mosques, but also for mullahs to preach there. We want mullahs who will inform women on their religious rights! demanded one woman from Kabul. So far, the Imam Ali Mosque is an experiment with as yet unforeseeable consequences. There has been no opposition to the women's mosque in Kabul. Surprisingly, conservative religious and fundamentalist circles have as yet remained reserved in their criticism. Despite this, opposition is expected. Discussion on issues of faith The supporters of women's mosques no longer want conservative groups stipulating how they should practice their faith. They also demand the right to have a say in religious matters. They aren't the only ones making such a demand. For months now, women Islamic scholars have been discussing matters of faith with their male counterparts on private Afghan television and have provided alternative interpretations to religious sources. The opening of the women's mosque is for many Afghan women a small step towards equal treatment even when the number of women attending the Imam Ali Mosque remains comparatively quite small. One male frequenter of the mosque, however, hopes that this will gradually change. Women are still being forced to do a lot of work at home. Many just can't find the time to attend the mosque. Yet, I think this will change. When women somehow manage to find more time, they too will come here more often. Ratbil Shamel © DEUTSCHE WELLE/DW-WORLD.DE/Qantara.de 2006 Translation from German: John Bergeron ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any
[wanita-muslimah] Zeitgeist of Fear and Prejudice
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-402/i.html Baden-Württemberg's Conscience Test Zeitgeist of Fear and Prejudice The conscience test, conceived by the interior ministry in the German state of Baden-Württemberg to check whether potential German citizens have the right moral convictions, reflects current German attitude towards Muslims, says Ülger Polat Since the beginning of this year, a so-called conscience test has been sent out to all the 44 regional offices of the state of Baden-Württemberg. The test is to serve as a guideline for checking whether Muslim immigrants fulfil the conditions for naturalisation as a German citizen. The test, which was developed by the state interior ministry, consists of thirty questions which should be asked orally of the applicant, and which should give an indication of the applicant's attitude towards democracy and basic democratic values. Testing the migrants In this questionnaire, applicants are tested as to their religious tolerance as well as to their tolerance towards other ethnic groups and people with homosexual tendencies. In addition, they are asked to make clear their attitude to religiously motivated terrorism, to the issue of social and political equality and self-determination for women, as well as to possible culturally defined codes of honour, customs and traditions. The answers are noted down and given to the applicant to sign, so that the answers they have given can be referred to, if necessary, in future years. Following intense criticism on the part of Muslim organisations, as well as from political parties, it has been decided to modify the questionnaire, and to extend it to all immigrant groups. All the same, when the test was first introduced, it was justified as a response to what was seen as a purely Muslim problem. According to the interior minister of Baden-Württemberg, Heribert Rech, the questionnaire was needed because it could be assumed that, when Muslims stated their commitment to the German constitution, as all applicants for citizenship are required to do, the commitment did not match their deepest convictions. Rech justified this assumption on the basis of reports of the maltreatment of Muslim women in Germany by their husbands or other male relatives. His initiative came right in the middle of a public discussion about so-called honour killings and forced marriage among Muslim immigrants. Anti-Islamic mood as background to the debate It is no mere accident that this discussion has become the justification for a new naturalisation procedure. The discussion itself emerges from an anti-Islamic mood which is currently being felt across the whole of Europe. The causes can obviously be found in the terrorist attacks of 11th September 2001 in New York, as well as the attacks which brought terrorism to Europe on 11th March 2004 in Madrid and 7th July 2005 in London. A turning point in public perception of Muslim migrants in Europe occurred when the Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh was murdered on 2nd November 2004 by a Muslim migrant. Since then, as never before, members of the majority communities in Europe feel themselves threatened by Muslims and the threat seems to face them right in front of their own front door. In addition, according to a report in March 2005 by the International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights, the number of Muslim migrants who complain against discrimination and stigmatisation in daily life has never been as high as it is now. Specifically in Germany the report shows that more than 80 percent of those questioned associated the term Islam with terrorism and oppression of women. Looking at migrants as merely a cultural phenomenon In this emotionalised atmosphere, individual migrants have been able to make a killing with tearful reports of their own maltreatment by members of their Muslim families. Among them was Necla Kelek, who is now an advisor to the federal interior ministry and had a major role in the concept behind the Baden-Württemberg conscience test. It seems to be a symptom of the current overheated climate that Kelek's tendentious and populist presentation has put entirely into the shade a forty-year-old tradition of migration studies in Germany. It's a tradition of scholarship which itself has only with difficulty and with considerable effort emerged in the last few years from a culture-based approach to Muslim migrants. The test itself also seems to reflect the current zeitgeist of fear and prejudice, rather than to be based on a rational analysis of the conditions under which Muslim migrants actually live. With alarming openness, the test has taken over all the current clichés about Muslims which are currently doing the rounds of German society and its institutions. Muslim applicants find themselves now in a situation in which they have to justify themselves in the face of characterisations and accusations which are not just personally insulting on
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Dawam Raharjo: Pindah Agama Tidak Murtad
setahu saya, isu Nawal El Sadawi dianggap sesat itu kalau tak salah karena dia menulis bahwa Kaaba dan ritualnya secara historis sebenarnya merupakan peninggalan dari ritual animis yang dipraktekkan di Mekka pada zaman sebelum Islam/jahiliyah... salam, Ni Londo --- ayeye [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Menurut saya, artikel tersebut memutar-balikan fakta dan bersifat tendensius. Nawal El Sadawi adalah tokoh yang mengritik globalisasi, termasuk politik negara-2 industri (baca: Barat) terhadap negara-2 berkembang. Contohnya, ia mempertanyakan pemasaran produk kosmetik, yang sebenarnya tidak diperlukan oleh penduduk yang miskin (secara materi). Seharusnya para penduduk miskin mengeluarkan uang untuk hal-hal yang lebih bermanfaat daripada membeli produk pemutih kulit, lipstik, dll. Karena itu hanya salah satu bentuk penjajahan yang membuat para penduduk tersebut menjadi tergantung dari produk luar yang mahal. Nawal El Sawadi juga pengritik keras atas politik Israel terhadap Palestina. Namun ia juga mengritik para rejim Arab yang otoriter, termasuk Mesir di bawah pemerintahan Mubarak dan sebelumnya, Sadat. Memang dulu Nawal El Sawadi pernah menjadi pejabat dalam pemerintah Mesir. Tentunya pemerintah yang otoriter tidak senang sama tokoh yang kritis, maka Nawal El Sadawi dibilang 'sesat dalam berfikir'. Pernyataan seperti ini kan untuk dikonsumsi oleh massa yang bodoh dan fanatik, padahal fitnah. Sama dengan singkatan (Sipilis) terhadap sekularisme, pluralisme dan liberalisme. Asosiasinya kan ke penyakit menular seksual, padahal tidak klop. Tujuan hanya untuk mendiskreditkan. Lagi, targetnya massa yang tidak mau atau mampu untuk berpikir kritis. Salam, ayeye *** -deleted Sebagaimana diketahui, Hamid Abu Zayd dan Nawal El Sadawi adalah tokoh penggagas gerakan liberalisme yang dikucilkan di negaranya karena dianggap telah 'sesat dalam berfikir'. Tokoh yang dikenal pendukung Ahmadiyah ini telah beberapa kali memberikan pernyataan kontroversial , utamanya dalam pembelaan terhadap gerakan 'Sekularisme, Pluralisme dan Liberalisme' (Sipilis) di Indonesia. -deleted ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Perang Identitas - Re: kartun yg melecehkan Rasul SAW
--- Herni Sri Nurbayanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Soal perkawinan campuran di Eropa? Bener kali, mbak. Aku kurang tau juga. Tanya sama Ni Londo atau mas Ayeye aja :-) Tapi sptnya lagi2 masyarakat muslim di Eropa yg mungkin tidak terbuka dng perkawinan campuran. Jadi gantian ya, sama mental kumpeni dulu yg gak mau nikah sama pribumi, hehehe. Orang (pribumi) Islam yg sekarang punya mental begitu, gak mau nikah ma (eks) kumpeni..:-) Kebetulan hari ini dalam koran Jerman Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung ada sebuah artikel ttg politik integrasi di Belanda. Katanya, sekitar 90% orang Maroko dan Turki di Belanda menikah dalam kelompoknya sendiri. Lebih dari 50% calon pasangan mereka baru masuk ke Belanda shortly sebelum perkawinannya. Hampir 90% dari orang Turki dan Maroko yang imigrasi ke Belanda datang dalam rangka perkawinan atau reuni keluarga. Kalau mahasiswa Indonesia di Jerman, yang saya melihat adalah bahwa mereka biasanya juga tidak terbuka untuk pacaran/nikah sama orang Jerman. Berteman saja jarang... Pasutri Indonesia-Jerman kebanyakan kenalan di Indonesia, bukan di Jerman... trus si (calon) istri (biasanya kan cewek Indo + cowok bule... lebih pas kali ya?) ikut ke sini... tapi cewek2 Indo yg sudah di sini dalam rangka studi jarang terbuka untuk pacaran/nikah dengan orang Jerman... kalau cowok kadang2 (tapi jarang tuh) ada yg pacaran ama cewek bule, tapi biasanya gak lama trus putus... Mungkin mirip dengan yang di Belanda ya Mbak Herni? salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [wanita-muslimah] Perang Identitas - Re: kartun yg melecehkan Rasul SAW
Saya juga tidak begitu tertarik pada ce Jerman , soalnya berbulu dan suka bintik-bintik , mendingan cewek lokal yang lebih mulus :)) hahaha ya betul... banyak bulunya... :) tapi yg lebih banyak bulu lagi yaitu cewek Timteng... paling mulus ya cewek Asia... :)) kalau org Jerman/bule juga kulitnya suka merah2... temen2 Indonesia kadang2 pada panik, terutama kalau mereka baru di sini, trus melihat wajah temen bulenya yg begitu cepat bisa berubah warnanya... mendadak merah2 gitu, entah apakah karena lagi kepanasan atau lagi konsentrasi atau lagi asyik ngobrol atau lagi marah atau malu atau lagi kedinginan (kalau winter juga banyak hidung bule jadi merah... sedangkan hidung orang Asia tetep aja putih atau hitam manis mulus... hiks...) saya yakin kalau perempuan Indonesia iri ama kulit bule yang putih, sebenarnya mereka pasti gak mau deh kalau kebagian kulit bule yg agak pink2an... hihi... soalnya menurut pengalaman saya, temen2 Indonesia jauh lebih memperhatikan kemulusan kulit daripada temen2 Jerman... ada perubahan dikit2 aja di kulit, temen Indonesia langsung wah kulit kamu kenapa?!, sedangkan temen Jerman nggak melihat apa2... hehehe... aneh ya? Sebenarnya perempuan Indonesia yg iri ama kulit putih mestinya ya iri ama perempuan Asia Timur... kan kulit mereka benar2 putih mulus luar biasa... kulit bule rata2 kasar dan sekaligus terlalu sensitif dibandingkan ama kulit perempuan Asia Timur... kulit bule tuh sering repot hehehe... Ada satu yang saya heran co bule di Indonesia kalo kawin sama ce lokal koq rata-rata milih yang jelek , yang tampang pembokat gitu padahal yang cantik banyak.Dulu bokap kan ngurusin para tenaga asing , liat yang kawin sama ce Indonesia rata-rata kayak gitu. betul... hihi... itu juga sering menjadi topik pembicaraan antara saya dan temen2 Indonesia di sini. Mereka selalu heran, kok cowok bule suka yang wajah pembokat... yg hitam lagi... sedangkan menurut saya wajah mereka lumayan cantik kok, memang bukan yg paling cantik, tapi ya kalau dibandingkan dengan rata2 cewek Jerman di sekitar saya ya masih cantik. mungkin cewek2 Indo yg cantik lebih menjaga diri (karena mereka tahu mereka cantik) atau tidak begitu gampang terbuka terhadap co bule, sehingga si co bule itu lebih cepat bisa akrab dengan ce Indo yg wajahnya ya biasa2 aja? Saya memperhatikan co bule juga biasanya pilih ce Indo yg tidak terlalu halus atau educated-professional dalam pergaulan. Terutama kalau saya melihat ce Thailand yg nikah ama co Jerman, wah ce Thailandnya banyak yg kasar2, saya sampai kaget denger mereka ngomong. Sama sekali bukan memenuhi klise perempuan Asia yang begitu halus dan siap meladeni, ini malah si ce Asia banyak yang suka dominan ngurus suaminya hehehe Memang ce Thainya banyak yg bekas WTS, tapi ya... katanya suka sama ce Asia karena mereka begitu halus dan feminin, tapi pilihnya kok malah yg dominan dan kasar? tapi selera temen2 Indo juga sering beda dengan selera org bule... misalnya siapa yang dianggap cantik atau ganteng... pernah saya ketemu ama cowok Jawa, trus saya bilang ke temen saya, wah dia itu ganteng sekali, wajah klasik Jawa gitu, tapi temen saya kaget, lho itu dibilang ganteng??? hehehe... salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Kristenisasi Merebak di Irak
--- noteokrasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Kenapa sewot kalau orang-orang Irak menjadi kristen? Merasa kalah? Kalah dari apa? Kalah apanya? nggak usah merasa kalah kok... wong di Eropa dan Amrik Islam lagi booming... tinggal beberapa tahun lagi, para missionaris bule generasi kedua (mualaf Islam) akan masuk ke Irak, mengislamkan Irak kembali... :-) salam, ni londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Perang Identitas - Re: kartun yg melecehkan Rasul SAW
--- Mia [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Saya tulis di thread ini 'masyarakat plural Eropa'. Sebetulnya jangan dibandingkan dengan plural di Amerika. Masyarakat Eropa relatif homogeneous dibandingkan dengan Amerika yang sudah mempunyai sejarah panjang imigrasi, bener nggak Ni Londo? Dalam hal ini sungguh Eropa bisa mengambil lesson learned dari Amerika. Mbak Mia yang baik, betul sekali, terutama di Jerman. Sampai sekarang masyarakat Jerman tidak mau menerima fakta bahwa Jerman sudah menjadi country of immigration, self-image masyarakat Jerman masih ngotot bahwa Jerman ini homogen berbudaya Jerman. Kehadiran para imigran yang akan tetap tinggal di sini masih susah sekali untuk diterima. Saya rasa dalam hal ini Belanda, Perancis dan juga Inggris sudah lebih maju daripada Jerman (dan Austria). Apalagi kalau dibandingkan sama Amerika... masih banyak yang harus dipelajari oleh orang Jerman. Islam di Indonesia. Mbak/Pak Kilat Biru. Islam di Indonesia, warnanya dipengaruhi sifat bangsa Indonesia yang feminin (dan dulu budaya matriarkat). Ini sudah sering kita diskusikan. Pak Arcon kayaknya selalu siap mendukung hipotesa ini dengan risetnya siapa tuh...lupa. --cut-- Identitas bangsa Indonesia berwarna feminin, yang seharusnya cepat beradaptasi dengan budaya modern maskulin di jaman ini dari Barat, Cina, Jepang, maupun Mid-East. ini menarik sekali... apakah Pak Arcon atau member lain tahu apakah warna feminin budaya Indonesia pernah dibahas dalam artikel atau essay ilmiah? soalnya, menurut saya sangat meyakinkan, cuman kalau mau disebut dalam tulisan ilmiah, wah gak berani... nanti langsung dituduh kambuh orientalis... dikotomi stereotip masyarakat Barat sebagai maskulin, rasional, masyarakat Timur sebagai feminin, sensual dsb... tapi kalau ada tulisan ilmiah yang membahas kesan itu, saya pengin banget membacanya... salam, Ni Londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Islam Booming di Eropah, Mualaf Perancis Menepis Paranoid
saya juga tidak punya data, tapi dari pengalaman saya sebagai seorang Jerman yang tinggal di Jerman, berkembanganya Islam di sini terutama disebabkan oleh orang imigran yang beragama Islam dan anak2 mereka yang biasanya lebih banyak dari 2 anak. Memang secara statistis terdapat juga kenaikan jumlah orang Jerman yang masuk Islam, tapi itu biasanya kalau ada orang Jerman ingin menikah dengan seorang Muslim (biasanya Muslimah). Jadi kebanyakan dari orang Jerman yang masuk Islam itu termasuk para abangan. Persentase orang Jerman yang masuk Islam karena mereka benar2 ingin memeluk agama Islam agak naik, terutama setelah 9/11. Tentu saja, para muallaf serius itu semakin sering mendapat perhatian khusus di media massa. Dalam media Muslim, mereka dianggap sebagai bukti bahwa Islam itu booming di Eropa, sedangkan dalam media Jerman, mereka biasanya diundang untuk diskusi seputar masalah agama, terutama Islam, karena mereka sebagai German native speakers diharapkan bisa menerangkan dengan jelas kepada pemirsa tentang Islam dan keyakinan mereka. Mereka dalam media Jerman mewakili sebuah kelompok yang sangat marjinal dan terasa asing sekali oleh orang Jerman mainstream. Dalam diskusi di tv, biasanya mereka juga kurang berhasil untuk meyakinkan para pemirsa bahwa stereotip2 tentang Islam itu salah... :( Jadi, secara umum, Islam masih sangat asing untuk mainstream orang Jerman. Saya tidak yakin apakah itu pantas untuk dibilang booming. Yang jelas booming di Jerman yaitu agama Buddisme dan aliran2nya. Bukunya buanyak sekali, pasti laris, banyak bestseller (buku bestseller ttg Islam biasanya membahas sisi negatif budaya Islam... dari honor killings ke kawin paksa...). Orang Jerman mainstream sangat tertarik dengan ajaran Buddha, terutama meditasi dsb. Wajah agama Buddha di Jerman sangat positif, friendly gitu, dianggap benar2 bisa membawa kedamaian lahir batin. Beda dengan agama2 Semit dengan konsep Tuhan yang (katanya) terlalu mirip seorang ayah yang otoriter dan cepat marah dan iri sama agama/Tuhan lain, yang selalu pakai ngancam dengan neraka segala... nah orang Jerman pada umumnya merasa metaforika neraka dan surga dan Tuhan yang menghukum dengan sangat strict itu sudah gak pas ama dunia kita zaman sekarang... metaforika itu katanya terlalu mirip fantasi anak umur 5 tahun tentang ayahnya yang otoriter dan bilang kamu harus gini gitu, kalau tidak, awas kamu akan saya ... apa gitu, tapi kalau kamu mau nurut, saya sayang sama kamu dan kamu pasti bakal mendapatkan bonus... Nah orang2 sini sudah semakin susah percaya dengan konsep2 semacam itu. Ceramah Kristen sudah semakin jarang bicara tentang neraka (ini Kristen mainstream di Eropa, bukan kaum fundies di Amrik), tapi toh masih tetap terasa gimana buat banyak orang Jerman. Nah kalau Islam kan jauh lebih eksplisit lagi tentang neraka dan surga dan hukuman dsb., jadi untuk kebanyakan orang Jerman malah jauh lebih tidak atraktif daripada agama Kristen. Makanya spiritualisme dari Asia Timur seperti Buddhisme sangat menarik untuk orang sini. Herannya, artikel2 yang membanggakan orang bule masuk Islam dan langsung mendiagnosa booming kok tidak pernah melihat Buddhisme sebagai saingan yang patut diperhatikan juga... semuanya hanya terfokus pada Islam-Kristen, Kristen-Islam... apakah Buddhisme tak usah dipikirin lagi gitu? dari awal sudah out kayaknya? gak masuk skenario persaingan global Kristen-Islam... sedangkan dalam realitas di negara Barat, justru Buddhisme atau konsep2 spiritualisme Hindu-Buddhis-dsb. (alirannya udah gak bisa dihitung...) itu yang benar2 booming. Mungkin secara statistik tidak begitu kelihatan, karena setahu saya, banyak orang di sini sebenarnya lebih percaya sama beberapa konsep Buddhisme daripada sama dogma agama Kristen, tapi mereka belum keluar Kristen atau secara resmi masuk Buddhisme. Hal2 spt itu dianggap terlalu lahiriah... lain sama agama semit, di mana selalu harus jelas, kamu ikutin agama A atau B... gak boleh dicampur... salam, ni londo --- sorgadonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: man, jangan kayak buang susur gitu man...data...man...data. kalo gak pernah ngelakuin kajian sendiri beri link-nya (url-nya) dong spt yg kamu tulis di bawah. pernah kuliah kan? kalo pake data (sumber kan enak agar enggak dibilang omdo or buang susur ttg perkembangan ngislam di ero n amrik, gitu. --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, He-Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islam berkembang di Eropa atau Amrika itu bukan karena dakwah tapi imigran. Kalau pun ada yang masuk Islam itu cuma satu dua dan belum tentu juga yang dimaksud Islam sunni , yang banyak masuk paling Islam ala Amerika seperti yang dianut Malcolm X sebelum pergi haji atau Islam Ahmadiyah. Kenaikan terbesarnya tetap pada imigran , ada tiga macam imigran pertama atas dasar kesulitan ekonomi , ini paling banyak jumlahnya juga paling banyak ngelahirin anak dan kalangan inilah yang hobby bikin getho juga banyak menjadi pelaku
RE: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Islam Booming di Eropah, Mualaf Perancis Menepis Paranoid
tambahan data tentang para mualaf Jerman: saya menemukan sebuah artikel dari majalah Stern, salah satu majalah mingguan di Jerman, bertanggal 13 Des 2005 (URL: http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/551414.html?nv=cb) dalam artikel itu terdapat data sebagai berikut: Menurut pengurus Institut Pusat Archiv Islam di Soest, Salim Abdullah, biasanya setiap tahun terdapat sekitar 350 orang Kristen yang masuk Islam di Jerman. Pada periode Mai 2004 sampai dengan Mai 2005 tercatat kenaikan yang drastis, yaitu 1152 orang yang masuk Islam. Menurut Abdullah, fenomena itu kemungkinan besar merupakan isolated case dan pada tahun2 yang akan datang jumlahnya diperkirakan akan kembali ke sekitar 350 orang/tahun. Menurut statistik Institut Pusat Archiv Islam itu, di Jerman tinggal 3,2 juta orang Muslim, di antaranya 14.352 Muslim orang Jerman (kebanyakan dari mereka adalah orang Jerman keturunan Turki). salam, ni londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Kekerasan pada anak:....--Injil bukan Firman Tuhan.(revisi)
Mas Ilham, mohon maaf, tapi saya tidak akan membalas email Mas Ilham ini. Rasanya milis ini bukan tempatnya untuk debat Islam-Kristen, sudah ada milis lain untuk topik itu (dan saya tidak anggota di sana, karena terus terang males sekali dengan diskusi2 macem itu, terlalu sering cenderung hanya mengumbar emosi dan nafsu ingin menang sendiri sambil membawa2 nama Tuhan... diskusi macam itu hanya menimbulkan kebencian, rasa sakit hati dsb... dosa besar menurut saya dan menghina nama Tuhan). Saya anggota di sini karena saya ingin belajar tentang Islam dan Indonesia. Tapi bukan untuk membuktikan (atau orang lain membuktikan kepada saya) bahwa agama A itu benar dan agama B itu salah (atau sebaliknya). Apa yang akhirnya dianggap benar atau salah itu urusan masing2 dan perlu direspect. salam, ni londo --- Ilham Firdaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hari ini karena kesibukan saya yang terlalu padat. saya ngetik jadi terburu2x, banyak yang salah ketik. Ini saya posting lagi On Friday 03 February 2006 01:27, ni londo wrote: Soalnya, setahu saya, Injil itu tidak pernah diturunkan, IFKata diturunkan buat sebuah kitab suci itu khan berarti kitab suci itu berasal dari tuhan (bukan dari bumi). Betul, khan? Berarti Anda mengakui bahwa injil yang sekarang dipakai oleh umat kristiani adalah bukan dari tuhan. Kein Thema (alias Udah jelas). Injil itu dari awal bukan sesuatu yang diturunkan dalam bentuk siap pakai, melainkan merupakan cerita2 tentang Isa oleh orang2 yang pernah hidup bersamanya. IFIni sama-sekali tidak benar. Anda tauk Paulus, khan? Paulus tidak pernah bertemu Nabi Isa (yang Anda sebut Jesus). Apalagi untuk dibilang Paulus hidup bersama dengan Nabi Isa. Jelas salah besar. Tapi pada kenyataannya Injil itu berisi lebih dari 70% adalah tulisan Paulus saja. Paulus sendiri menurut sejarah bahkan bukan murid Nabi Isa. Yang mengangkat Nabi Isa menjadi tuhan (Anda sebut tuhan jesus) itu bukan Alloh (Anda sebut Allah) melainkan manusia biasa, yaitu: Kaisar Roma. Lucu, khan? Masa manusia mengangkat manusia lainnya menjadi tuhan semesta alam. Cerita2 dari mulut manusia biasa yang tentu saja bisa khilaf juga atau salah ingat. IFJadi Anda mengakui bahwa dalam injil itu terdapat kesalahan. Gut (good), bahkan menurut saya banyak sekali dalam injil terdapat kesalahan2x. Anda tauk khan apa yang disebut dengan 'kitab suci'? suci itu berarti bersih dari kesalahan. Itu berarti Anda sudah mengakui bahwa injil Anda adalah bukan Kitab Suci. dan otomatis tidak salah kalau orang beranggapan bahwa agama kristen tidak memiliki kitab suci. IFTapi wajar kalo dalam injil yang dipakai oleh umat kristiani terdapat banyak kesalahan. Karena itu adalah bikinin manusia. Bukan Firman Tuhan. Jadi tidak salah kalo saya katakan Injil yang dipakai oleh umat kristiani saat ini sudah direvisi sesuai selera penganut kristen. IFTambahannya: Silahkan baca buku the choice ditulis oleh Ahmed Deedat. ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Kekerasan pada anak:....--Injil bukan Firman Tuhan.(revisi)
Mas Ilham, Anda kayaknya sudah begitu sibuk ngurusin otak anggota lain... kasihan kalau nanti saya juga mengecewakan Anda, soalnya saya ini juga termasuk kaum lazy... :-) jadi untuk sementara no thanks dulu ya... salam, ni londo - lazy girl :-) --- Ilham Firdaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Monday 06 February 2006 03:29, ni londo wrote: Mas Ilham, mohon maaf, tapi saya tidak akan membalas email Mas Ilham ini. Rasanya milis ini bukan tempatnya untuk debat Islam-Kristen, sudah ada milis lain untuk topik . IFJangan gitu Mas Londo.. Masak tempat aja jadi alesan... Mumpung banyak yang menyaksikan nich. Biar sekalian ketahuan bahwa umat kristen itu memang nggak punya injil yang asli Injil yang dipakai oleh umat kristiani itu khan kayak majalah aja. seolah2x ada edisi januari, februari, maret dst Saya anggota di sini karena saya ingin belajar tentang Islam dan Indonesia. IFNach mumpung mau tauk khan.. yuk kita lanjutkan diskusi. Jadi bisa ketahuan bahwa Agama Islam itu salah satu misinya adalah untuk menggantikan agama Umat Nabi Isa yang sudah dimanipulasi oleh umat kristiani. Tapi bukan untuk membuktikan (atau orang lain membuktikan kepada saya) bahwa agama A itu benar dan agama B itu salah (atau sebaliknya). Apa yang akhirnya dianggap benar atau salah itu urusan masing2 dan perlu direspect. IFWach. ini sich pluralisme agama donk.. sori.cuman ada 1 agama yang benar karena memang cuman ada 1 Tuhan dialam semesta ini. Anda keberatan dengan kalimat saya? Ayo kita lanjutkan diskusinya. Dimulai dengan: coba jawab e-mail saya sebelumnya itu. Masih ada dibawah itu loch. salam, ni londo --- Ilham Firdaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hari ini karena kesibukan saya yang terlalu padat. saya ngetik jadi terburu2x, banyak yang salah ketik. Ini saya posting lagi On Friday 03 February 2006 01:27, ni londo wrote: Soalnya, setahu saya, Injil itu tidak pernah diturunkan, IFKata diturunkan buat sebuah kitab suci itu khan berarti kitab suci itu berasal dari tuhan (bukan dari bumi). Betul, khan? Berarti Anda mengakui bahwa injil yang sekarang dipakai oleh umat kristiani adalah bukan dari tuhan. Kein Thema (alias Udah jelas). Injil itu dari awal bukan sesuatu yang diturunkan dalam bentuk siap pakai, melainkan merupakan cerita2 tentang Isa oleh orang2 yang pernah hidup bersamanya. IFIni sama-sekali tidak benar. Anda tauk Paulus, khan? Paulus tidak pernah bertemu Nabi Isa (yang Anda sebut Jesus). Apalagi untuk dibilang Paulus hidup bersama dengan Nabi Isa. Jelas salah besar. Tapi pada kenyataannya Injil itu berisi lebih dari 70% adalah tulisan Paulus saja. Paulus sendiri menurut sejarah bahkan bukan murid Nabi Isa. Yang mengangkat Nabi Isa menjadi tuhan (Anda sebut tuhan jesus) itu bukan Alloh (Anda sebut Allah) melainkan manusia biasa, yaitu: Kaisar Roma. Lucu, khan? Masa manusia mengangkat manusia lainnya menjadi tuhan semesta alam. Cerita2 dari mulut manusia biasa yang tentu saja bisa khilaf juga atau salah ingat. IFJadi Anda mengakui bahwa dalam injil itu terdapat kesalahan. Gut (good), bahkan menurut saya banyak sekali dalam injil terdapat kesalahan2x. Anda tauk khan apa yang disebut dengan 'kitab suci'? suci itu berarti bersih dari kesalahan. Itu berarti Anda sudah mengakui bahwa injil Anda adalah bukan Kitab Suci. dan otomatis tidak salah kalau orang beranggapan bahwa agama kristen tidak memiliki kitab suci. IFTapi wajar kalo dalam injil yang dipakai oleh umat kristiani terdapat banyak kesalahan. Karena itu adalah bikinin manusia. Bukan Firman Tuhan. Jadi tidak salah kalo saya katakan Injil yang dipakai oleh umat kristiani saat ini sudah direvisi sesuai selera penganut kristen. IFTambahannya: Silahkan baca buku the choice ditulis oleh Ahmed Deedat. ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com === message truncated === ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day
Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Kekerasan pada anak: kisah Nabi mengorbankan anak.
mohon maaf sebesar2nya saya nimbrung sebentar saja ya... --- Ilham Firdaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Sunday 29 January 2006 21:28, Ary Setijadi Prihatmanto wrote: - Original Message - (cut) Leider, du hast eine Fehler gemacht aber du nicht wissen. IFMohon jangan tersinggung kalo yang ini juga saya luruskan:Leider, du hast eine Fehle gemacht aber du weiss nicht. ehemm... maaf, maaf... tapi rasanya saya harus meluruskan yang katanya sudah diluruskan tapi ternyata belum lurus juga... ;) yang richtig adalah: Leider hast du einen Fehler gemacht, aber du weisst es nicht tapi itu masih agak kaku... lebih lancar kalau: Leider hast du einen Fehler gemacht, ohne es zu wissen atau: Du hast leider einen Fehler gemacht, ohne es zu wissen der/ein Fehler... maskulin... :) mohon jangan tersinggung ya... salam, ni londo ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[wanita-muslimah] Woman poet 'slain for her verse'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1869842,00.html The Sunday TimesNovember 13, 2005 Woman poet slain for her verse Christina Lamb SHE risked torture, imprisonment, perhaps even death to study literature and write poetry in secret under the Taliban. Last week, when she should have been celebrating the success of her first book, Nadia Anjuman was beaten to death in Herat, apparently murdered by her husband. The 25-year-old Afghan had garnered wide praise in literary circles for the book Gule Dudi Dark Flower and was at work on a second volume. Friends say her family was furious, believing that the publication of poetry by a woman about love and beauty had brought shame on it. She was a great poet and intellectual but, like so many Afghan women, she had to follow orders from her husband, said Nahid Baqi, her best friend at Herat University. Farid Ahmad Majid Mia, 29, Anjumans husband, is in police custody after confessing to having slapped her during a row. But he denies murder and claims that his wife committed suicide. The couple had a six-month-old son. The death of the young writer has shocked a city which prides itself on its artistic heritage. It has also raised uncomfortable questions about how much the position of women in Afghanistan has improved since the fall of the Taliban to American-led forces four years ago. This is a tragic loss for Afghanistan, said Adrian Edwards, a spokesman for the United Nations. Domestic violence is a concern. This case illustrates how bad this problem is here and how it manifests itself. Women face exceptional challenges. Herat, in particular, has seen a number of women burn themselves to death rather than succumb to forced marriages. Anjumans movements were being limited by her husband, her friends believe. She had been invited to a ceremony celebrating the return to Herat of Amir Jan Sabouri, an Afghan singer, but failed to attend. Her poetry alluded to an acute sense of confinement. I am caged in this corner, full of melancholy and sorrow, she wrote in one ghazal, or lyrical poem, adding: My wings are closed and I cannot fly. It concludes: I am an Afghan woman and must wail. Afghan human rights groups condemned Anjumans death as evidence that the government of President Hamid Karzai has failed to address the issue of domestic violence. It is especially tragic because she was one of a group of courageous women, known as the Sewing Circles of Herat, who risked their lives to keep the citys literary scene active under the Taliban regime. Women were banned from working or studying by the Taliban, whose repressive edicts forbade women to laugh out loud or wear shoes that clicked. Female writers belonging to Herats Literary Circle realised that one of the few things that women were still allowed to do was to sew. So three times a week groups of women in burqas would arrive at a doorway marked Golden Needle Sewing School. Had the authorities investigated, they would have discovered that the sewing students never made any clothes. Once inside the school, a brave professor of literature from Herat University would talk to them about Shakespeare, Dostoevsky and other banned writers. Under a regime where even teaching a daughter to read was a crime, they might have been hanged if they had been caught. I was taken to meet some of these women by Ahmed Said Haghighi, president of the Literary Circle, in December 2001, only days after the Taliban had fled. One of them, Leila, said that she stayed up till the early hours doing calculus because she so feared that her brain would atrophy. Life for women under the Taliban was no more than being cows in sheds, she said. Anjuman was part of this remarkable group. After the Taliban fell, she went to Herat University to study literature. She was becoming a great Persian poet, Haghighi said. Anjumans husband was also a literature graduate. Speaking from prison he insisted: I have not killed Nadia. How could I kill someone I loved? We had a small argument and I only slapped her on the face once. She went to another room and when she returned she told me she had swallowed poison. She said she had forgiven me for slapping her and pleaded, Dont tell anyone I have swallowed poison. Tell them I died from a heart attack. The authorities are sceptical of this account. One of the reasons we suspect the husband is he did not take her to the hospital until four hours after beating her up, said Maria Bashir, the citys prosecutor. Although Afghanistans new constitution guarantees equal rights for men and women before the law, its conservative mindset has not changed. This is partly because of the continuing power of the American-backed warlords whose repressive views are similar to those of the Taliban. Many women were allowed to stand in parliamentary elections in September, the results of which were being finalised yesterday. One of the most surprising results announced
Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Wanita berjilbab yang tidak berjilbab
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Ant: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Wanita berjilbab yang tidak berjilbab
--- ni londo [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: - Persentase drop out sekolah tanpa ijazah minimum tinggi sekali di antara komunitas imigran Turki (dan itu beda dengan misalnya imigran Yunani, imigran Spanyol, Turki dan bekas Yugoslavia), ralat: maksudnya Italia, bukan Turki... ;) ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Click here to rescue a little child from a life of poverty. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rAWabB/gYnLAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Ant: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Wanita berjilbab yang tidak berjilbab
--- Ary Setijadi Prihatmanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: - Begitu juga ttg urusan berpakaian/ berjilbab dalam suatu masyarakat tertentu itu. Orang itu kalau tidak setuju wajib berjilbab tinggal keluar dari masyarakat itu. === setuju Pak Ari... saya kalau misalnya ke Iran, ya saya harus terima bahwa saya harus mengenakan kerudung. Tidak perduli apakah saya secara pribadi setuju atau tidak, harus dikenakan, dan kalau saya tidak rela, ya jangan ke Iran... [Pak Ari:] Rape itu kan kriminal. Perlakukan saja sebagai kriminal (berat). Intensi untuk memperkosa juga kriminal dan itu cukup untuk bisa digunakan sebagai dasar untuk melakukan tindakan-tindakan tertentu. === masalahnya, rape di ghetto imigran Perancis itu beda dengan rape di masyarakat Perancis pada umumnya. Rape di ghetto itu didasari oleh budaya ultra-patriarkis tertentu yang dianggap memberi legitimasi untuk gang rape karena si perempuan itu berpakaian seperti perempuan Perancis. Kalau di masyarakat Perancis atau Jerman umumnya, orang yang melakukan rape itu orang yang dianggap ada kelainan jiwa. Tapi tidak ada subculture yang membela tindakan rape atau malah gang rape dengan menuduh si korban salah sendiri, si korban yang menyebabkan terjadinya rape. Dan para pelaku rape dari subculture Muslim Perancis itu sering dilindungi oleh keluarga2 mereka, oleh tetangga, sehingga polisi Perancis menghadapi a wall of silence. Jadi ini bukan hanya sekedar masalah kasus kriminal saja. [Pak Ari:] Ketika muncul getho-getho yang PASTI memunculkan persoalan sosial, lalu masyarakat Jerman itu cuci tangan saja dengan hanya mengurus soal-soal periferi spt. jilbab dan bukannya mengurus hal-hal yang lebih esensial? Memang lebih gampang larang jilbab daripada mengurus kemaslahatan perempuan-perempuan muslim itu. Tapi apa itu akan menyelesaikan persoalan ? Apakah dengan melarang jilbab, pemerkosaan dan honor killing akan berhenti ? === ya... memang jilbab itu selalu hal yg paling gampang diatur... Islamists win the election, first thing they do is jilbab diwajibkan untuk semua perempuan... Orang sekular menghadapi masalah dengan imigran Muslim, first thing to do is ban the veil... Ngurus penampilan perempuan kayaknya selalu paling gampang ya? [Pak Ari:] Ketika idealnya, orang boleh mengekspresikan dirinya dengan leluasa.Pelarangan jilbab kan sesuatu yang absurd dan bertentangan dengan hal itu. === tapi jangan lupa, di Jerman jilbab itu hanya dilarang untuk guru. Murid dan mahasiswi bebas saja mau mengenakan jilbab atau tidak. Bahkan Alice Schwarzer, feminis terkemuka Jerman yang sangat anti-jilbab, toh selalu menegaskan bahwa dia akan protes juga kalau jilbab dilarang untuk murid dan mahasiswi. Karena itu hak pribadi mereka, dan walaupun Schwarzer tak suka, tapi dia tetap akan membela hak itu. [Pak Ari:] Spt. yang saya selalu bilang, memang situasi sekarang muncul bukan hanya dari sisi komunitas Muslim saja atau Barat saja. It takes two to tanggo. Barat itu punya masalah dengan dirinya sendiri begitu juga komunitas Muslim juga punya masalahnya sendiri, dan kombinasi keduanyalah yang membuat situasi jadi spt. ini. Tinggal siapa yang mau memutus lingkaran setan spt. ini? === yaa... saya juga tidak tahu mau diapain masalah ini... kadang saya iri sama orang yang begitu yakin atas pendapatnya, harus gini gitu trus masalahnya pasti langsung akan selesai, tapi saya kok gak yakin ya... saya gak tahu mau jawab apa... saya bisa mengerti argumentasi yang pro dan yang contra... dan bingung pendapat saya sendiri sebenarnya apa ya... salam, ni londo ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Click here to rescue a little child from a life of poverty. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rAWabB/gYnLAA/i1hLAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [wanita-muslimah] Mulai 2006, Jerman Berlakukan Larangan Berjilbab
salam kenal buat semuanya, boleh ikut nimbrung nggak? saya bule alias londo, cewek, dan kebetulan dari Jerman. Pak Sutiyoso, berjilbab itu hanya akan dilarang untuk guru (bukan murid atau mahasiswa, kayak di Turki atau Tunisia) saat dia mengajar/berdiri di depan kelas dan mewakili netralitas negara yang sekuler. Kalau dia sudah di luar gedung sekolah, boleh aja berjilbab, wong itu hak pribadinya dia. Tapi sebagai guru yang jadi pegawai negeri, harus tetap netral. Kalau di sekolah swasta lain lagi. salam ni londo --- SUTIYOSO WIJANARKO WIJANARKO [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: - Semoga tidak jadi BUMERANG bagi pemerintah Jerman nantinya, why? Lha di Jerman kalau tidak salah ada musim winternya / musim ice cream ...saat musim winter orang jerman laki perempuan pakai jilbab semua.asyiiilhoh kalau pakai jilbab semua berarti semua kena hukum dan sangsi dong?.. salam, Ari Condro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mulai 2006, Jerman Berlakukan Larangan Berjilbab Publikasi: 31/08/2005 09:28 WIB eramuslim - Larangan mengenakan jilbab di negara-negara Eropa makin meluas. Musim panas tahun 2006, negara Jerman rencananya akan memberlakukan larang berjilbab di sekolah-sekolah bagi guru-guru yang muslimah. ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/aYWolB/TM ~- Milis Wanita Muslimah Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelismuda@yahoogroups.com This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
