[wdvltalk] Re: Style Sheets

[Cheryl D. Wise]

 
I totally agree, I don't expect my pages to look exactly the same cross
browser/platform and at all screen resolutions. If a 3px jog ever drove me
to the point I needed to use hacks so it wouldn't be there on any browser it
would be time for me to find a new line of work.

Cheryl D. Wise
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-Original Message-
From: rudy 

you will not catch me using a css hack and i doubt you ever will

   see http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssHacks

the real css kings know all the hacks, and i don't

of course, i feel somewhat smug about that, because the reason they use
hacks is to achieve "the same result" in all browsers, which of course is a
ludicrous objective, at least to me


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[wdvltalk] Re: Style Sheets

[Jan]

Rudy
Really, I was joking big time. I was going to say css_servant, but 
felt more idiotic, so went with that.

I bookmarked the site you mentioned, and will visit when I have some 
motivation going for me. Just spent 1 hour to find a stupid goof on a 
page of mine. Still working on that set of pages with the UL list for 
the menu, makes a lot of sense to use it because it cuts way, way down 
on the loading time.

Need.more.motivation..to 
work on my pages.  Actually feeling better than yesterday, but still 
not up to my usual active self or maybe it's just I'm sick of working 
on my pages. That could be it.

Jan
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rudy wrote:
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[wdvltalk] Re: Style Sheets

[rudy]

> A thousand apologies oh king of css from this humble css_idiot.

don't be so hard on yourself

and thanks for the kind words, but i am hardly a king of css

have you seen my site(s)?   http://rudy.ca/   http://r937.com/

i say "site(s)" because of course they're the same site, just two completely
different urls, with two (almost) completely different sets of content

but the css structure is basically the same across both sites, and lemme
tellya, it's a really simple approach

you will not catch me using a css hack and i doubt you ever will

   see http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssHacks

the real css kings know all the hacks, and i don't

of course, i feel somewhat smug about that, because the reason they use
hacks is to achieve "the same result" in all browsers, which of course is a
ludicrous objective, at least to me

if you have not yet gone through the entire css wiki, i encourage you to do
so -- make the time, it will be worth your while

rudy


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[wdvltalk] Style Sheets

[Jan]

Ahem...Uh.., etc.

Rudy,
How hard did you laugh when I told you I copied the import statements 
right from the w3c specs? I hope it was a good one. It kept nagging me 
 because I knew you had to be right, so just a few moments ago, I 
went to the w3c specs and yes, it was right there, BUT, it was showing 
2 examples of how to do the import statement. I was in a hurry, and 
just copied it as it was.

A thousand apologies oh king of css from this humble css_idiot.

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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[scaudill]

d'oh!  :)  I Love This List!  Guess that's another one for the to-do list
Thanks Stephen,
Stephen
http://www.mechavox.com

> Hi Stephen, nice clean site works well WIN2k IE6 800*600 and win 98 IE6
> 1024*768.
> 
> One question are you going to add meta tags for description and keywords?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Stephen Hutchinson

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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[stephen]

Hi Stephen, nice clean site works well WIN2k IE6 800*600 and win 98 IE6
1024*768.

One question are you going to add meta tags for description and keywords?

Regards

Stephen Hutchinson

> Ross' email reminded me that I hadn't had a site check done on the one =
> I've just finished:
> http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/
> If anyone sees any glaring errors (or dull ones for that matter), please =
> let me know (and please include browser, platform and the issue).  The =
> site is scheduled to go live next week after it's moved to it's real =
> server and populated with real data.  Unfortunately, what is in my =
> opinion the coolest feature of it is the CMS and it's not publicly =
> accessible.
> 
> thanks,
> Stephen
> http://www.mechavox.com

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[wdvltalk] RE: OT: Business site (was Retrieving client's IP address in ASP)

[Ross Clutterbuck]

> My first Web App with a full CMS/dynamic back end

LOL That's identical to our first big web project since I took over the unit

> Out of curiosity, what is it you messed up on? Just validation issues?

No mess-ups at all really - the whole thing was built to XHTML/CSS2 from the
outset, but I got a bit carried away in getting the actual stuff down I
kinda forgot to check all the new stuff and validate it...

Never be in too much of a rush to finish things ;)

MOU



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[wdvltalk] Plaxo

[David Blakey]

One of my clients has downloaded something called Plaxo from 
www.plaxo.com/download, which she is encouraging her staff to use.

I am against using Outlook anyway, but this one could be a real horror, 
especially as it promises to synchronize email addresses.

Does anyone have any info on it, please?

Regards,
David
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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Jan]

Yeah, I'm sure he meant well. Besides, I do go to the mall for the air 
conditioning sometimes.

Jan
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Joseph Harris wrote:
Jan,

Just ignore the young whippersnapper!   Eh!   What??!

Joseph
A lot
of older people in our town do that during the day to keep cool, and
> it's encouraged by both the malls and the local authorities.  Getting
> your brain to work when your body's not happy is difficult.
Tim
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ouch!

Jan


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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Joseph Harris]

Jan,

Just ignore the young whippersnapper!   Eh!   What??!

Joseph



> > A lot
>  > of older people in our town do that during the day to keep cool, and
>  > it's encouraged by both the malls and the local authorities.  Getting
>  > your brain to work when your body's not happy is difficult.
> > Tim
> > ___
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> > Web Developer
> > Foulston Siefkin LLP
> >
>
> ouch!
>
> Jan
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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Stephen Caudill]

Cheryl D. Wise on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:41 PM, said:
> Check in IE 6 on XP Pro, no scrollbar. Didn't see on in Mozilla,
> Opera 7 or NN 6.2 either. You might want to set a background color
> for your page body. I have Opera set to display a 'lovely' shade of
> yellow which while not looking too bad with your site is surely not
> what you intend.

whoops!  yup, I need to set my bgcolor to pink or something, so I remember.  
/me tweaks browser.
There, that's better.  Thanks for the catch on that.

thanks again,
Stephen
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[wdvltalk] Re: Is this ! a proper INSERT query?

[Joseph Harris]

They're coming through as attachments for me.   Absolutely nothing in the
message area.

Joseph

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> Matt I think it might be your sig but your msgs aren't showing up for me.
> anyone else got this problem?
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> jac.
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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Cheryl D. Wise]

Check in IE 6 on XP Pro, no scrollbar. Didn't see on in Mozilla, Opera 7 or
NN 6.2 either. You might want to set a background color for your page body.
I have Opera set to display a 'lovely' shade of yellow which while not
looking too bad with your site is surely not what you intend.

I don't have NN 7 to test with but it should display the same as Mozilla and
avoid even more AOL garbage to uninstall.


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-Original Message-
From: Stephen Caudill
  I think I've got this taken care of. Let me know if it's still doing it.
thanks again,


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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Jan]

Stephen
The pages look great now. Too bad other problems can't be fixed as 
easily. As far as the chair, I think you should leave your 'dummy 
copy' in because I was very tempted to put a bid in for the chair.

73% funny is still very good.

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matter), please let me know (and please include browser,
platform and the issue).  The site is scheduled to go live
next week after it's moved to it's real server and populated
with real data.  Unfortunately, what is in my opinion the
coolest feature of it is the CMS and it's not publicly accessible.
t


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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Jan]

Thanks Stephen,
just a lucky break.
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Stephen Caudill wrote:
There's only one problem and it's in NS7.2, there are 2 scrollbars on
the right side which looks funny. On IE there is only one right
scrollbar, as it should be. 

Even though I checked out your page and css, I'm not experienced
enough to catch the problem. One thing did catch my eye though, you
have "overflow:auto;" in your css body section. What will that do?


Ahh... but my dear, you've hit the nail on the head.  That's precisely what is causing the problem...  the overflow:auto was thrown in to make IE drop the scrollbar gutter when it wasn't necessary, but I think the Gecko engine is choking on it because I've done some funky stuff with wrapper div's.  Thanks! Great Catch!

-Stephen
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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Christina Lannen]

Not doing it anymore!

Stephen Caudill wrote:

Thanks Christina,
 I think I've got this taken care of. Let me know if it's still doing it.
thanks again,
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[wdvltalk] Re: Publish video?

[Bankei]

You have a few choices to make.  The most important is streaming vs.
progressive download vs. download.

streaming:  the video streams in real time from a streaming server (i
recommend www.playstream.com).  Use Real or Windows Media

Progressive Download:  Video starts playing during download when the
player feels that it can keep up.  You can do this with QuickTime, Real or
Windows Media but you'll need to sort out MIME types and metafiles for
Real or Windows Media.

Dawnload:  You can just download the file to play on the client machine.
This works for the big 3 but works very well using MPEG-1 (playable in any
player).

Most companies don't bother to embed Real or Windows Media.  To get an
embed tag for QuickTime go to www.metroencoding.com/viewdemos.html and
view source on any of the QuickTime demos.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Gerrie Warner wrote:

> What are the best file formats for publishing low resolution videos? Does
> this require javascript embeding? Or can I justy dump the file on a webpage
> with html?


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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Stephen Caudill]

Thanks Christina,
  I think I've got this taken care of. Let me know if it's still doing it.
thanks again,
Stephen

Christina Lannen on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:08 PM, said:

> W2K, NN7.02.  Double scrollbar (vertical??  I have a hard time with
> horizontal and vertical) on the right on the sale and contact us
> pages. 
> 
> Christina
> 
> Stephen Caudill wrote:
> 
>> Ross' email reminded me that I hadn't had a site check done on the
>> one I've just finished: http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/
>> If anyone sees any glaring errors (or dull ones for that
> matter), please let me know (and please include browser,
> platform and the issue).  The site is scheduled to go live
> next week after it's moved to it's real server and populated
> with real data.  Unfortunately, what is in my opinion the
> coolest feature of it is the CMS and it's not publicly accessible.
>> 
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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Stephen Caudill]

Jan on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:02 PM, said:
> Stephen
> Very good looking site, my favorite is the Royal Lux Arm Chair:
>"This here is a fine example of a chair with which you rest your
> arse and what not. Its quite comfortable and you will find no arse
> creases in it, as it is also quite resilient. Add the attractive
> exterior to this already arse-riffic chair and you have something
> truelly not too bad" 

:D yeah, I tend to get a bit silly when writing dummy copy. Glad someone other than 
myself appreciates it!  My girlfriend insists that I am only 73% as funny as I think I 
am :)

> There's only one problem and it's in NS7.2, there are 2 scrollbars on
> the right side which looks funny. On IE there is only one right
> scrollbar, as it should be. 
> 
> Even though I checked out your page and css, I'm not experienced
> enough to catch the problem. One thing did catch my eye though, you
> have "overflow:auto;" in your css body section. What will that do?

Ahh... but my dear, you've hit the nail on the head.  That's precisely what is causing 
the problem...  the overflow:auto was thrown in to make IE drop the scrollbar gutter 
when it wasn't necessary, but I think the Gecko engine is choking on it because I've 
done some funky stuff with wrapper div's.  Thanks! Great Catch!

-Stephen
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[wdvltalk] RE: OT: Business site (was Retrieving client's IP address in ASP)

[Cheryl D. Wise]

Validation errors are one of the few areas on this list that I can help in
as well. 


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From: Stephen Caudill 

Out of curiosity, what is it you messed up on? Just validation issues?  I
might be able to help with some of that.


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[wdvltalk] Re: Hello Again!

[Jan]

Yes, welcome back MOU too.

Jan

Cheryl D. Wise wrote:
Actually it is good to see both Matt and MOU back on the list. It should
liven things up a bit.  

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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Christina Lannen]

W2K, NN7.02.  Double scrollbar (vertical??  I have a hard time with 
horizontal and vertical) on the right on the sale and contact us pages.

Christina

Stephen Caudill wrote:

Ross' email reminded me that I hadn't had a site check done on the one I've just 
finished:
http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/
If anyone sees any glaring errors (or dull ones for that matter), please let me know 
(and please include browser, platform and the issue).  The site is scheduled to go 
live next week after it's moved to it's real server and populated with real data.  
Unfortunately, what is in my opinion the coolest feature of it is the CMS and it's not 
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[wdvltalk] Re: Hello Again!

[Cheryl D. Wise]

Actually it is good to see both Matt and MOU back on the list. It should
liven things up a bit.  


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Matt,
welcome back, must have missed the original posts on this. Been playing
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[wdvltalk] Re: [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Jan]

Stephen
NS 7.2, IE6.0 800x600 DSL WinXP Pro at 1024x768 site expands well but 
is not centered, all the extra space goes to the right, but it still 
looks good.

Very good looking site, my favorite is the Royal Lux Arm Chair:
  "This here is a fine example of a chair with which you rest your 
arse and what not. Its quite comfortable and you will find no arse 
creases in it, as it is also quite resilient. Add the attractive 
exterior to this already arse-riffic chair and you have something 
truelly not too bad"

It loaded fast, and links work well too. I like the colors you have 
chosen for the site, very refreshing and professional looking.

There's only one problem and it's in NS7.2, there are 2 scrollbars on 
the right side which looks funny. On IE there is only one right 
scrollbar, as it should be.

Even though I checked out your page and css, I'm not experienced 
enough to catch the problem. One thing did catch my eye though, you 
have "overflow:auto;" in your css body section. What will that do?

Jan
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Stephen Caudill wrote:
Ross' email reminded me that I hadn't had a site check done on the one I've just 
finished:
http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/
If anyone sees any glaring errors (or dull ones for that matter), please let me know 
(and please include browser, platform and the issue).  The site is scheduled to go 
live next week after it's moved to it's real server and populated with real data.  
Unfortunately, what is in my opinion the coolest feature of it is the CMS and it's not 
publicly accessible.
thanks,
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[wdvltalk] Re: Is this ! a proper INSERT query?

[Matthew Macdonald-Wallace]

On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 19:16, Gerenday, Perry (P.) wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
> 
> 
> > OK, in that case, it's easy! :P (or at least it has been in the past...)
> >
> > Try this:
> >
> >  > // Create a function to display the blog, allowing us to 
> > // call it from any page by including this file
> >
> > function do_blog($type)...
> 
> 
> Holy Schmokes! Did you just whip this out in the last half-hour?
> I have to look it over in detail when I get home. Thanks.

I can't type that fast! :p

I wrote it in about a day and a half 3 months back, just to see if I
could!  If you want a copy of any of the functions I've written to
create it, let me know and I'll either mail them to you off list or post
them on a site for people to use...

Hope it works,

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[wdvltalk] [SCR] http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/

[Stephen Caudill]

Ross' email reminded me that I hadn't had a site check done on the one I've just 
finished:
http://www.goodriddancegirl.com/
If anyone sees any glaring errors (or dull ones for that matter), please let me know 
(and please include browser, platform and the issue).  The site is scheduled to go 
live next week after it's moved to it's real server and populated with real data.  
Unfortunately, what is in my opinion the coolest feature of it is the CMS and it's not 
publicly accessible.

thanks,
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[wdvltalk] Re: Is this ! a proper INSERT query?

[R'twick Niceorgaw]

On 15 Jul 2003 at 14:19, Gerenday, Perry (P.) wrote:

> R'twick,
> 
> Icarumba! That would explain the problem, wouldn't it now? Guess that's what
> happens when I write these things at 2:30am.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Perry Gerenday
> http://www.webinitiative.net

happens always with me That's why I have set error reporting to E_ALL on my dev box 
.. easy to catch all undefined variables :)


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[wdvltalk] RE: OT: Business site (was Retrieving client's IP address in ASP)

[Stephen Caudill]

Ross Clutterbuck on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:52 PM, said:
> Thanks for the welcome back! That script is gonna be useful for the
> future so it's now resident on my bunch of ASP servers - cheers!

Well, it's good to have you back. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing some more 
of your designs!
 
> The business site is *almost*  there (only now 8 months in
> development, but I've only actually spent about 6 weeks in total on
> it grrr) and I HATE IT!!! It sucks, I messed up and I'm gonna cry lol.

Heh, I know the feeling. I just finished a project that was around 8 months in the 
making (~4 or 5 weeks actual time).  My first Web App with a full CMS/dynamic back 
end.  After looking at it for that long, I absolutely hated it and ended up completely 
redesigning it just for my own edification.  Of course, it's probably one of the 
better designs I've ever done, so I guess it's for the best :)

Out of curiosity, what is it you messed up on? Just validation issues?  I might be 
able to help with some of that.

-stephen
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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Jan]

I just caught that too Drew, and my reply should be forthcoming.
;o)
Jan
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Trusz, Andrew wrote:
Oh oh. Implying that Jan is an "older people"?

If you're close to a shopping mall, go hang out there for awhile.  A lot
of older people in our town do that during the day to keep cool, and
it's encouraged by both the malls and the local authorities.  Getting
your brain to work when your body's not happy is difficult.
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[wdvltalk] Re: Is this ! a proper INSERT query?

[Gerenday, Perry (P.)]

-Original Message-
From: R'twick Niceorgaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> Perry, You are using $rows with mysql_fetch_array where as $row in the
print statemnts (missing s in the print statement). <<<


R'twick,

Icarumba! That would explain the problem, wouldn't it now? Guess that's what
happens when I write these things at 2:30am.

Thanks,

Perry Gerenday
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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Jan]

> A lot
> of older people in our town do that during the day to keep cool, and
> it's encouraged by both the malls and the local authorities.  Getting
> your brain to work when your body's not happy is difficult.
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ouch!

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[wdvltalk] Re: Hello Again!

[Jan]

Matt,
welcome back, must have missed the original posts on this. Been 
playing hooky a lot.

Jan
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Furry, Tim wrote:
Matt wrote:
This is just a quick test to make sure I can post to this list and to
say that I'm back (if any of you remember me from about 18months ago)!
Hope this list is still the hive of activity it used to be, look forward
to helping and being helped once again.


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[wdvltalk] Re: Converting image PDF to RTF...

[Anitha Paruchuri]

We use Abby Fine Reader 6.0 to scan our text through the scanner and it
does a pretty good job. Try the trial version and see if you like it. I
agree what Janet said about proofing it again but it makes it easy in
Abby Fine reader as it opens two windows where you can look at the
actual page as well as proof. It auto detects some spelling errors too.
Anitha


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/03 10:03AM >>>
You may be able to salvage it if you save as a TIFF file from Acrobat.
Then
you can OCR the TIFF file...maybe...

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From: Janet Russeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Converting image PDF to RTF...


Does your scanner have an OCR option? If so, I would try that so that
it 
scans it in as text instead of an image.

You may have to make some corrections though. It's been a while since I

used OCR with a scanner, but I do remember having to make some
corrections 
to the text. The OCR did not recognize some letters correctly and
replaced 
them with a different character or a number. I'm sure the technology
has 
improved in the last 4 years.

Good luck!

Janet


At 06:37 PM 7/15/2003 +0430, you wrote:
>Hi list,
>I scanned a lot of pages and converted them to PDF. Now the boss
would
>like to have them as RTF files. Is that possible? I tried the save
>as/export commands in acrobat and they don't work... I guess it's
>because the pages have been scanned as images and not as text.
>
>Any clues? I really need to give him an answer *U*R*G*E*N*T*L*Y*
!
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul
>
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[wdvltalk] Re: Converting image PDF to RTF...

[Linden, Todd]

You may be able to salvage it if you save as a TIFF file from Acrobat. Then
you can OCR the TIFF file...maybe...

-Original Message-
From: Janet Russeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Converting image PDF to RTF...


Does your scanner have an OCR option? If so, I would try that so that it 
scans it in as text instead of an image.

You may have to make some corrections though. It's been a while since I 
used OCR with a scanner, but I do remember having to make some corrections 
to the text. The OCR did not recognize some letters correctly and replaced 
them with a different character or a number. I'm sure the technology has 
improved in the last 4 years.

Good luck!

Janet


At 06:37 PM 7/15/2003 +0430, you wrote:
>Hi list,
>I scanned a lot of pages and converted them to PDF. Now the boss would
>like to have them as RTF files. Is that possible? I tried the save
>as/export commands in acrobat and they don't work... I guess it's
>because the pages have been scanned as images and not as text.
>
>Any clues? I really need to give him an answer *U*R*G*E*N*T*L*Y* !
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul
>
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[wdvltalk] Re: Converting image PDF to RTF...

[Janet Russeau]

Does your scanner have an OCR option? If so, I would try that so that it 
scans it in as text instead of an image.

You may have to make some corrections though. It's been a while since I 
used OCR with a scanner, but I do remember having to make some corrections 
to the text. The OCR did not recognize some letters correctly and replaced 
them with a different character or a number. I'm sure the technology has 
improved in the last 4 years.

Good luck!

Janet

At 06:37 PM 7/15/2003 +0430, you wrote:
Hi list,
I scanned a lot of pages and converted them to PDF. Now the boss would
like to have them as RTF files. Is that possible? I tried the save
as/export commands in acrobat and they don't work... I guess it's
because the pages have been scanned as images and not as text.
Any clues? I really need to give him an answer *U*R*G*E*N*T*L*Y* !

Thanks

Paul

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[wdvltalk] Converting image PDF to RTF...

[Paul Larue]

Hi list,
I scanned a lot of pages and converted them to PDF. Now the boss would
like to have them as RTF files. Is that possible? I tried the save
as/export commands in acrobat and they don't work... I guess it's
because the pages have been scanned as images and not as text.

Any clues? I really need to give him an answer *U*R*G*E*N*T*L*Y* !

Thanks

Paul


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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Stephen Caudill]

I agree, in standards compliance mode, I get _almost_ pixel perfect display cross 
browser (well, not in NS 4.x, but oh well).

-Stephen
http://www.mechavox.com

Trusz, Andrew on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:11 AM, said:

> That makes sense. I use in my one little xml demo.  I asked because
> it tends to throw IE6 into quirks mode which I find adds
> unnecessarily to coding woes.
> 
> drew

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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Trusz, Andrew]

Messages passing in the ether.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please


oh, a necessary addendum: that xml declaration throws IE6 into quirks mode.
Drop it and it's in standards compliance mode.

-Stephen
http://www.mechavox.com

Stephen Caudill<> on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:01 AM, said:

> Drew,
> 
>   Truth be told, DW:MX sticks it in there automatically when
> you tell it to make xhtml compliant documents.  It's not
> really doing *anything* useful at the moment.  But I believe
> were I writing my own dtd's and creating custom tags in xml,
> that would be necessary to start the xml parsing service
> (wow, that's a big assumption on my part, but that's the impression I
> get). 
> 
> -Stephen
> http://www.mechavox.com
> 
> Trusz, Andrew on Tuesday, July 15, 2003
> 7:17 AM, said: 
> 
>> Stephen, why the xml prolog?
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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Trusz, Andrew]

That makes sense. I use in my one little xml demo.  I asked because it tends
to throw IE6 into quirks mode which I find adds unnecessarily to coding
woes.

drew 

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Drew,

  Truth be told, DW:MX sticks it in there automatically when you tell it to
make xhtml compliant documents.  It's not really doing *anything* useful at
the moment.  But I believe were I writing my own dtd's and creating custom
tags in xml, that would be necessary to start the xml parsing service (wow,
that's a big assumption on my part, but that's the impression I get).

-Stephen
http://www.mechavox.com

Trusz, Andrew on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:17
AM, said:

> Stephen, why the xml prolog?

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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Stephen Caudill]

oh, a necessary addendum: that xml declaration throws IE6 into quirks mode.  Drop it 
and it's in standards compliance mode.

-Stephen
http://www.mechavox.com

Stephen Caudill<> on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:01 AM, said:

> Drew,
> 
>   Truth be told, DW:MX sticks it in there automatically when
> you tell it to make xhtml compliant documents.  It's not
> really doing *anything* useful at the moment.  But I believe
> were I writing my own dtd's and creating custom tags in xml,
> that would be necessary to start the xml parsing service
> (wow, that's a big assumption on my part, but that's the impression I
> get). 
> 
> -Stephen
> http://www.mechavox.com
> 
> Trusz, Andrew on Tuesday, July 15, 2003
> 7:17 AM, said: 
> 
>> Stephen, why the xml prolog?
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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Stephen Caudill]

Drew,

  Truth be told, DW:MX sticks it in there automatically when you tell it to make xhtml 
compliant documents.  It's not really doing *anything* useful at the moment.  But I 
believe were I writing my own dtd's and creating custom tags in xml, that would be 
necessary to start the xml parsing service (wow, that's a big assumption on my part, 
but that's the impression I get).

-Stephen
http://www.mechavox.com

Trusz, Andrew on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:17 AM, said:

> Stephen, why the xml prolog?

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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Trusz, Andrew]

Oh oh. Implying that Jan is an "older people"?

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Jan wrote:
I just can't get enough liquid in me lately, always thirsty. Even with 
the air on, it's really hot out. Also, the air conditioner here in my 
apt only throws out cool air for about 3 feet, so it's not really 
cool. Last trip to the fridge to get some refrigerated cold water, it 
was hot and I wanted to crawl into the fridge.

Yep, it's summer something.

Tim:
Know what you mean; it was 110F/43C here yesterday.  While it doesn't
bother me that much, it completely devastates my kids.  The AC has
trouble keeping it down to 80F/27C in the house.  I really need to
finish the rest of the windows and the insulation.

If you're close to a shopping mall, go hang out there for awhile.  A lot
of older people in our town do that during the day to keep cool, and
it's encouraged by both the malls and the local authorities.  Getting
your brain to work when your body's not happy is difficult.

Tim
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[wdvltalk] Re: MS SQL help

[Cheryl D. Wise]

Thanks Jon, right now this is jus on our intranet/development server. I've
got the permissions working but am now getting other errors which may just
relate to the third party app but I was too frustrated yesterday to deal
with it. It is something we were evaluating. 

After spending time on their support forums and seeing reports of others
with the same problems who couldn't get it resolved with the instructions
provided (tried 3-4 times) I decided that it wasn't the app for us. I made
an executive decision that if it was that much of a PIA to install I'd
either find another app or write it myself. Considering how much I  *love*
writing real code it must say something about the product that I decided
that writing it myself would be preferable to trying to deal with getting
the app working correctly. 


Cheryl D. Wise
Microsoft MVP
WiserWays, LLC
713 353-0139
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-Original Message-
From: Jon Haworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 6:31 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: MS SQL help

Hi Cheryl,

> I've got MS SQL 2000 available but I know absolutely nothing about 
> permissions, creating databases on my local SQL server (2000) and 
> transferring the databases, etc. to the domain host's MS SQL server 
> (SQL 7).

Sorry, I'm a bit late on this thread...

Setting up privileges isn't that difficult: you can right-click on an object
(a table, stored procedure, or whatever) and click the "Permissions" button
to edit who can do what with that object - if your app is *really*
well-designed, your web user can get away with having nothing apart from
"Execute" for stored procedures :-)

If you have lots of users, you can set up groups just like you can in NT
account management. You do this through the Logins applet, which you'll find
in the Security folder - double-click on a user and then open the Database
Access tab. From here you can control which users can access which
databases, and which groups they are in. Ideally, stick everyone who only
needs basic access into the "Public" group and then assign permissions to
that group rather than to individual users.

Creating databases is even easier:
- open the "Action" menu
- select "New database..."
- type a name
- click OK

As your host is running an earlier version, you may need to use a different
compatibility level - MS SQL 2000 defaults to level 80, but I think version
7 uses 70 (you might want to check this though). You can change this by
right-clicking on your newly created database, selecting "Properties" and
opening the Options tab.

You're probably best off asking your host about the best way to upload a
database - you can have Enterprise Manager write a script that contains all
the SQL statements necessary to rebuild your database structure, but I
haven't worked out how to include data in that as well :-(

Sorry this was long, but hope it helped a bit.

Cheers
Jon







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[wdvltalk] Promotional materials for website

[Maverick]

Hi Friends,

Where can I find promotional materials like intro mail and letter.

I am planning to launch a website and need some input regarding the same.

Any / every help is appreciated.

Rgds
Maverick


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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Furry, Tim]

Jan wrote:
I just can't get enough liquid in me lately, always thirsty. Even with 
the air on, it's really hot out. Also, the air conditioner here in my 
apt only throws out cool air for about 3 feet, so it's not really 
cool. Last trip to the fridge to get some refrigerated cold water, it 
was hot and I wanted to crawl into the fridge.

Yep, it's summer something.

Tim:
Know what you mean; it was 110F/43C here yesterday.  While it doesn't
bother me that much, it completely devastates my kids.  The AC has
trouble keeping it down to 80F/27C in the house.  I really need to
finish the rest of the windows and the insulation.

If you're close to a shopping mall, go hang out there for awhile.  A lot
of older people in our town do that during the day to keep cool, and
it's encouraged by both the malls and the local authorities.  Getting
your brain to work when your body's not happy is difficult.

Tim
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[wdvltalk] Hello Again!

[Furry, Tim]

Matt wrote:
This is just a quick test to make sure I can post to this list and to
say that I'm back (if any of you remember me from about 18months ago)!
Hope this list is still the hive of activity it used to be, look forward
to helping and being helped once again.

Tim:
Welcome back, Matt!  Yep, the list is still busy, with occasional ups
and downs.  It's all good, though.

Tim
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[wdvltalk] Re: MS SQL help

[Jon Haworth]

Hi Cheryl,

> I've got MS SQL 2000 available but I know
> absolutely nothing about permissions, creating
> databases on my local SQL server (2000) and
> transferring the databases, etc. to the domain
> host's MS SQL server (SQL 7).

Sorry, I'm a bit late on this thread...

Setting up privileges isn't that difficult: you can right-click on an object
(a table, stored procedure, or whatever) and click the "Permissions" button
to edit who can do what with that object - if your app is *really*
well-designed, your web user can get away with having nothing apart from
"Execute" for stored procedures :-)

If you have lots of users, you can set up groups just like you can in NT
account management. You do this through the Logins applet, which you'll find
in the Security folder - double-click on a user and then open the Database
Access tab. From here you can control which users can access which
databases, and which groups they are in. Ideally, stick everyone who only
needs basic access into the "Public" group and then assign permissions to
that group rather than to individual users.

Creating databases is even easier:
- open the "Action" menu
- select "New database..."
- type a name
- click OK

As your host is running an earlier version, you may need to use a different
compatibility level - MS SQL 2000 defaults to level 80, but I think version
7 uses 70 (you might want to check this though). You can change this by
right-clicking on your newly created database, selecting "Properties" and
opening the Options tab.

You're probably best off asking your host about the best way to upload a
database - you can have Enterprise Manager write a script that contains all
the SQL statements necessary to rebuild your database structure, but I
haven't worked out how to include data in that as well :-(

Sorry this was long, but hope it helped a bit.

Cheers
Jon







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[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please

[Trusz, Andrew]

Stephen, why the xml prolog?

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Okay Jac,
  I've set up a super simple example at:
http://www.mechavox.com/sandbox/overflow.html
the key is using the style:
overflow:auto;
in conjuction with a fixed height and width on the containing div.  If the
content is long enough to require scrolling, it will do so automatically,
otherwise it will look just like normal content.  As far as integrating this
with your site, you'd need to either include the content in the div
dynamically or place it inside the div statically.  It looks like it'd be
easier to do it as an include, since you already have the content on
separate pages.

hth,
Stephen
http://www.mechavox.com


jac - WDVL on Monday, July 14, 2003 3:54 PM, said:

> well that sounds promising - Stephen do you know of any examples
> using css this way?
> 
> Thanks Stephen,
> jac.

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[wdvltalk] RE: MS SQL help

[Trusz, Andrew]

See if you can find anyone in your area who has taken an MS SQL course. The
manuals focus on administration. Borrow it if you can. 

drew

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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:52 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: MS SQL help


I don't need another book to turn my brain into tapioca. It is already mush,
I am so frustrated.

SQL the language isn't the problem nor is designing/understanding relational
databases. It is just that I've never had to deal with managing the SQL
server, permissions, etc. 

I've been writing the sql statements, asp/asp.net code to use the databases
for a years (asp, about 16 months for asp.net)  but I've never had to
administer the server. Now I have to administer, set privileges, that sort
of thing on both existing databases and new ones to be created. That's where
my problem arises.

The books I have available all talk about database structure, sql language
but not one of them even "MS SQL Server 2000 for Dummies" have much on the
actual administration of the server. For example under permissions, there is
one page that tells you in summary 'here's the dialog box for permissions,
check the boxes you need' no additional explanations. 

I hate server administration but I've been stuck with the job because I know
more than anyone else currently here which is a sad commentary because while
I can adequately (barely) administer a Windows 2000/2003 server I have never
worked directly with a SQL server other than making a connection to an
existing database.


Cheryl D. Wise
Microsoft MVP
WiserWays, LLC
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-Original Message-
From: Erich D. Mansell

two books that I can recommend:

All-In-One MCDBA SQL Server 2000
SQL Server 2000 Design and T-SQL Programming.

Those two books '*should turn your brain into tapioca in no time!'

Have fun with it, the system is very powerful and for the most part...user
friendly!

http://www.sqlcourse.com/intro.html  This is not MS SQL inclusive, but it
really helped me with some basics.  There is some forums available as well
that may prove useful if this group is not able to get you out of a jam.


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[wdvltalk] RE: date problems in conversion from Access to SQL

[Van Der Westhuizen, Sonja]

Hi Diane,

Why don't you create a stored procedure with your query in?, just pass the
paramaters through that you need to run it then. Maybe start with a simple
one first.

Also check what sql is using for a dateformat. Your server settings will
also influence it. Last time I had this error was becuase sql was set to
-mm-dd and I had dd-mm-.

The cast functionality is correct sql function to use to convert it to date

Sonja



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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: date problems in conversion from Access to SQL


I tried the cast.  Now I'm getting a "The conversion of a char data type to
a datetime data type resulted in an out-of-range datetime value" error.  The
actual SELECT string sent was:

SELECT [DATE OF BIRTH], [FIRST NAME], [LAST NAME] FROM members WHERE
(DATEPART(mm, cast([DATE OF BIRTH] as datetime)) = 3 AND DATEPART(dd,
cast([DATE OF BIRTH] as datetime)) > 20 ) OR (DATEPART(mm, cast([DATE OF
BIRTH] as datetime)) = 4 AND DATEPART(dd, cast([DATE OF BIRTH] as datetime))
< 20 )

What am I doing wrong?

Diane

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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: date problems in conversion from Access to SQL

Like I said change the datatype to datetime or use cast or convert functions
for DOB fields.
Also Datevalue is not a T-SQL function it is VB-Script function.
SELECT [DATE OF BIRTH], [FIRST NAME], [LAST NAME] FROM members WHERE
(DATEPART(mm, cast([DATE OF BIRTH] as datetime)) = 3 AND
DATEPART(dd,cast([DATE OF BIRTH] as datetime)) > 20 ) OR
(DATEPART(mm,cast([DATE OF BIRTH] as datetime)) = 4 AND
DATEPART(dd,cast([DATE OF BIRTH] as datetime)) < 20 )




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