Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Good Job Stephen! Re your image replacement for the title - exactly which flavour are you using? I don't think I've seen one which uses an empty span. My personal preference is styling the h1 with the background image and relevant sizes and then nesting a span inside that h1. That nested span is then styled with display:none to hide it. The only delay I then experience is the time it takes to download the image (which is always a factor anyway so resolving that is a different issue). The only downside to this approach is a browser configured with CSS on and Images off as the h1 box will be rendered but nothing will show up in it. I thought this might have something to do with what BlueRobot calls the Flash of Unstyled Content but the rest of the CSS loads in fine - could be worth a double-check though: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp Apart from that it's looking good and onwards with XHTML+CSS!!! I sincerely hope there are some of those more CSS-loathing table-based designers out there who's seen this page...THIS is what we are talking about, and the code is so much cleaner than the nested junk that table-based design will churn out. MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
I agree with you, Ross. CSS is so much cleaner and easier. I made the jump from tables to CSS (with the help of TopStyle Pro) and I haven't looked back. Kudos to Stephen for doing it right. Will Professional Graphics Artist Certified Web Designer (BCIP) Stewart and Company -- www.stewartandcompany.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- W: 304.550.2687 Rt. 1 Box 364 Buffalo, WV 25033 -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Apart from that it's looking good and onwards with XHTML+CSS!!! I sincerely hope there are some of those more CSS-loathing table-based designers out there who's seen this page...THIS is what we are talking about, and the code is so much cleaner than the nested junk that table-based design will churn out. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Using display: none defeats the purpose if accessibility is your concern. That's the Fahrner technique see: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fir/ They see the same thing you report when css is on and images off. You need to position it off page with a negative (or really high) margin. Might check some of the other image replacement techniques listed in http://www.accessify.com/archives/2003_08_03_news-archives.asp#1060161072462 97283 Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck Good Job Stephen! Re your image replacement for the title - exactly which flavour are you using? I don't think I've seen one which uses an empty span. My personal preference is styling the h1 with the background image and relevant sizes and then nesting a span inside that h1. That nested span is then styled with display:none to hide it. The only delay I then experience is the time it takes to download the image (which is always a factor anyway so resolving that is a different issue). The only downside to this approach is a browser configured with CSS on and Images off as the h1 box will be rendered but nothing will show up in it. I thought this might have something to do with what BlueRobot calls the Flash of Unstyled Content but the rest of the CSS loads in fine - could be worth a double-check though: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp Apart from that it's looking good and onwards with XHTML+CSS!!! I sincerely hope there are some of those more CSS-loathing table-based designers out there who's seen this page...THIS is what we are talking about, and the code is so much cleaner than the nested junk that table-based design will churn out. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Cheryl I'm not a big fan of image replacement anyway but since we can do so much with web design/development these days (Microsoft browsers permitting of course) but also have so many different aspects to consider 9 times in 10 I move more towards keeping things accessible and don't bother with any image replacement at all (common page graphics and titles are not usually part of my heading structure so alt text works fine for them - the meat of my copy is what I want visitors and search engines to see). I did however forget about the off-screen positioning of text approach which does everything IR needs to do yet still is available by screen readers/accessibility tools (of course I will never understand why screen readers for web browsers read the rendered version for screen instead of the markup itself - screen is for display on screen surely?) so thanks for reminding me. An upcoming project looks though like I might be needing an awful lot of IR so cheers for the link too. MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Good Job Stephen! Thanks Ross! Means a lot coming from the Master of the Universe and all :) Re your image replacement for the title - exactly which flavour are you using? I don't think I've seen one which uses an empty span. My personal preference is styling the h1 with the background image and relevant sizes and then nesting a span inside that h1. That nested span is then styled with display:none to hide it. The only delay I then experience is the time it takes to download the image (which is always a factor anyway so resolving that is a different issue). Apparently display:none doesn't get read by the bulk of aural browsers on the market now, so this was a method someone came up with to get around that issue and keep things accessible. The basis of the idea is to leave the text in the header (set to position:relative and set to the height and width of the image), add the extra span(set to display:block, the height and width of the image and position:absolute; left:0; top:0;) and give this empty span the background-image... The method is detailed at: http://wellstyled.com/css-replace-text-by-image.html The only downside to this approach is a browser configured with CSS on and Images off as the h1 box will be rendered but nothing will show up in it. Yeah, this technique gets around that. I thought this might have something to do with what BlueRobot calls the Flash of Unstyled Content but the rest of the CSS loads in fine - could be worth a double-check though: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp It's close, but that's not it... Because the text isn't being hidden in any way, you simply see it until the image loads. Definite drawback to this technique. I don't consider it too much of a hit to take when you think about the fact that it gets around the CSS on / Images off and screen reader difficulties though. Always a trade-off, eh? :D Apart from that it's looking good and onwards with XHTML+CSS!!! I sincerely hope there are some of those more CSS-loathing table-based designers out there who's seen this page...THIS is what we are talking about, and the code is so much cleaner than the nested junk that table-based design will churn out. w00t! w00t! Thanks again MOU :) - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
FWIW, I don't use the image replacement techniques either since plain text alt tags especially when combined with structural mark-up so the alt gets the proper heading mark-up without images is best in most circumstances. Nice to have options though if needed due to special circumstances. As far as why screen readers read the displayed text I think it is because most of them are built to use the OS tools to the maximum extent possible to reduce the need for writing expensive code. That's why most screen readers are available only for Windows and use IE as the base. FWIW, there is a screen reader emulator for Firefox under development. See: http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05 Sounds like it might come in useful for that upcoming project. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck I'm not a big fan of image replacement anyway but since we can do so much with web design/development these days (Microsoft browsers permitting of course) but also have so many different aspects to consider 9 times in 10 I move more towards keeping things accessible and don't bother with any image replacement at all (common page graphics and titles are not usually part of my heading structure so alt text works fine for them - the meat of my copy is what I want visitors and search engines to see). I did however forget about the off-screen positioning of text approach which does everything IR needs to do yet still is available by screen readers/accessibility tools (of course I will never understand why screen readers for web browsers read the rendered version for screen instead of the markup itself - screen is for display on screen surely?) so thanks for reminding me. An upcoming project looks though like I might be needing an awful lot of IR so cheers for the link too. MOU . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and it's due for delivery today, so feedback is much appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear from the mac users on the list. When responding, please include: - Operating System - Browser - screen resolution - connection speed - details of any issue spotted Thanks a heap! - Stephen Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? Oh lord. No telling, really. I guess old habits die hard. I've fixed that Say Drew, you're on *nix right? Is that what you tested on? Using Konqueror? Something else? Display's okay? /me hopes so. Thanks, Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? Oh lord. No telling, really. I guess old habits die hard. I've fixed that Say Drew, you're on *nix right? Is that what you tested on? Using Konqueror? Something else? Display's okay? /me hopes so. Thanks, Stephen = I am on mandrake at home, at work it's an agency custom image of xp. That may sound innocent but it should make you shudder to the roots of your soul. If you can wait about 2 hours I'll let you know how it looks on Konqueror. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Trusz, Andrew wrote: I am on mandrake at home, at work it's an agency custom image of xp. That may sound innocent but it should make you shudder to the roots of your soul. If you can wait about 2 hours I'll let you know how it looks on Konqueror. Sure! It's not really a biggie, but I am interested. The likelihood is that no big fixes will be done at this point even if there are problems, but I'd still like to know about them... And adjust my coding practices accordingly for the future. LOL @ agency custom image of xp... My last work place had custom versions of IE 5.5 that were installed as part of the image. Stupid customized animated logo and all. I can only imagine what some enterprising young men and women with way too much time invested in VBA could do to a whole OS :P Thanks Again, Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Should look about the same as the report I gave you on Safari. It is based on Konqueror. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? Oh lord. No telling, really. I guess old habits die hard. I've fixed that Say Drew, you're on *nix right? Is that what you tested on? Using Konqueror? Something else? Display's okay? /me hopes so. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Trusz, Andrew wrote: LOL @ agency custom image of xp... My last work place had custom versions of IE 5.5 that were installed as part of the image. Stupid customized animated logo and all. I can only imagine what some enterprising young men and women with way too much time invested in VBA could do to a whole OS :P No you can't imagine that! Nobody is that depraved. This is a sustained, decades long, group effort rooted in ever compounding bad decisions. Think custom dlls, active-x required, no validation, and a bizarre locked down version of IE6 (add the patch, remove the patch, reinstall the patch, patch the patch). If it were internet and not intranet we'd be covered in alligators. Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? I'm not subscribed from home. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Trusz, Andrew wrote: No you can't imagine that! Nobody is that depraved. This is a sustained, decades long, group effort rooted in ever compounding bad decisions. Oh, sure I can! I've developed along side too many MicroSoftHeads to not be able to imagine it. Glad you're not having to suffer that particular fate though :P Think custom dlls, active-x required, no validation, and a bizarre locked down version of IE6 (add the patch, remove the patch, reinstall the patch, patch the patch). If it were internet and not intranet we'd be covered in alligators. Been down that road before too... Scary place to browse :) That was at my last employers in fact. Before I left though, I'd whipped things into enough shape that I could get on the intranet with Mozilla if I faked the UA. Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? I'm not subscribed from home. Fine by me. Maybe Linda will pick this up though and let us all know where the new web based interface is... OH!!! And while I'm at it, does the new list software have an archive? We haven't had a roundup since 2002... - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Linda Cole wrote: Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Oooh! I like the new interface :) And you can get an RSS feed too?? Well, it's not well formed, but I can still pull it up in FeedDemon :) Snifty! Any way we could we get a link put on WDVL to this? Thanks, Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Oh good you were listening! -Original Message- From: Linda Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
At 02:15 PM 12/8/2004 -0500, you wrote: Oh good you were listening! heh heh. Only with half an ear. It's lucky I saw it. If you guys need anything at all (pertaining to the list g), please don't hesitate to contact me directly. Thanks, Linda -Original Message- From: Linda Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Editor DatabaseJournal http://databasejournal.com/ DBASupport http://dbasupport.com/ SQLCourse http://sqlcourse.com/ SQLCourse2 http://sqlcourse2.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Oooh! I like the new interface :) And you can get an RSS feed too?? Well, it's not well formed, but I can still pull it up in FeedDemon :) Snifty! Any way we could we get a link put on WDVL to this? I believe it's in the works to have it added to the WDVL site, but I don't work on that site myself any more so can't say at what stage the addition might be. In the meantime, there's a link to the web interface at the bottom of each post, it just doesn't say 'web interface.' (I'll add that.) To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Editor DatabaseJournal http://databasejournal.com/ DBASupport http://dbasupport.com/ SQLCourse http://sqlcourse.com/ SQLCourse2 http://sqlcourse2.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] OT Code in pages vs Code behind pages.
Does anyone know the difference between Code in pages and Code behind pages?? This would be in reference to an ASP.Net programming job. Thank you Robert __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
re:[wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Well, one significant problem in Konquerer 3.1.4. The navigation list loads but then becomes obscured. The links change from words to a symbol which looks like stacked equilaeral triangles turned on edge. Other than that, the page looks fine. And you're right, Stephen, the web interface is nice. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] OT Code in pages vs Code behind pages.
Hoenig, Robert wrote: Does anyone know the difference between Code in pages and Code behind pages?? This would be in reference to an ASP.Net programming job. Google: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/100500-1.shtml And I believe it's referred to as Code-Behind by most and Evil by me. If you see Bill, tell him I still owe him a knuckle sandwich. - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Trusz, Andrew wrote: Well, one significant problem in Konquerer 3.1.4. The navigation list loads but then becomes obscured. The links change from words to a symbol which looks like stacked equilaeral triangles turned on edge. Other than that, the page looks fine. And you're right, Stephen, the web interface is nice. Thanks Drew! Any chance I might get a screen grab? I would be indebted to you :) - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Changing IE address bar shortcut Icon
I'm trying to change the IE shortcut icon and using LINK REL=shortcut icon href=/icons/ims.ico Also tried LINK REL=icon href=/icons/ims.ico That doesn't seem to be working. I've cleared the cache and still nothing. Thank you Robert __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Changing IE address bar shortcut Icon
Robert, Here's what I use link rel = shortcut icon href = /favicon.ico Have you double-checked that your href is pointing to the right place? Also have you created the icon using specific icon builder software like Icon Forge? You're likely to run into problems otherwise. John. - Original Message - From: Hoenig, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] Changing IE address bar shortcut Icon I'm trying to change the IE shortcut icon and using LINK REL=shortcut icon href=/icons/ims.ico Also tried LINK REL=icon href=/icons/ims.ico That doesn't seem to be working. I've cleared the cache and still nothing. Thank you Robert __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] OT Code in pages vs Code behind pages.
Code in the page is like classic asp. While code behind is in a separate page and linked to the page via an asp @page declaration: %@ Page Language=vb Codebehind=week21a.aspx.vb Inherits=testdeploy2.WebForm2% In theory it makes code reuse easier. Difficult to work with unless you are using an IDE that supports codebehind like Visual Studio.NET. Current version sucks for web development but the 2005 version (Whidbey) is a big improvement. Its biggest advantage as far as I'm concerned is that if you have a designer and developer working together the designer doesn't have to even see much less be able to mess up the code when working on the page. There is a beta of the lite version for web development available at http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/vwd/default.aspx FWIW, the .NET framework is a web standard approved by the ... (argh I hate when I blank out on something as I go to say/write it). Anyway, there are implementation for Linux (http://go-mono.org) and FreeBSD/Mac OS X (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3A1C93FA-7462-47D0 -8E56-8DD34C6292F0displaylang=en or http://tinyurl.com/9onm) the latter is a Shared Source release funded by Microsoft and produced in conjunction with Berkley. (Fortunately on that site they mentioned the certifying standards body EMCA so I can put that in now.) Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Hoenig, Robert wrote: Does anyone know the difference between Code in pages and Code behind pages?? This would be in reference to an ASP.Net programming job. Google: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/100500-1.shtml And I believe it's referred to as Code-Behind by most and Evil by me. If you see Bill, tell him I still owe him a knuckle sandwich. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Changing IE address bar shortcut Icon
Should be: link rel=shortcut icon href=favicon.ico I'd check your file path. I also seem to recall that for some you need to have it in the root of your website or have an absolute path to the image. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Hoenig, Robert I'm trying to change the IE shortcut icon and using LINK REL=shortcut icon href=/icons/ims.ico Also tried LINK REL=icon href=/icons/ims.ico That doesn't seem to be working. I've cleared the cache and still nothing. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.