Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
We have the same issue with ATT/Qwest. Getting a DS-3 right now using AT&T as the loop, delivered via fiber. They put a Fujitsu box in our office, which i know they can just pop in an ethernet card and offer us a direct ethernet hookup, but they say it's not available in our area. I've talked to the local AT&T engineer about this and she says that it's all technically possible and the equipment is there, just a matter of getting the sales department to come up with pricing in our area and make the service available. Been going through this for 2 years now, with no hope in site of getting a direct ethernet feed from them. Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 9/2/2010 11:04 AM, Matt wrote: >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY >> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to >> do any BGP peering? > > We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the > Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. AT&T has stated in past we > cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop > price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep > from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get > ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and > get back to us in a week or so. > > Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it > called OptiMan something if we have fiber? > > Matt > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
> One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order > bonded T1s. Most likely the local plant will run out of copper. Amazing > how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you. Seen this happen > several times. Just got another full OC3 quote for one of these locations. 20K$ monthly plus change. The port part of this was only like 5.6K$ monthly and the rest was loop. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order bonded T1s. Most likely the local plant will run out of copper. Amazing how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you. Seen this happen several times. Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Mike Mattox Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:13:32 -0500 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan This doesn't seem to work well. I am served by AT&T fiber from a manhole 2 feet from by building. The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they just made a new pull this spring. I entered my address, got back: This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the AT&T incumbent local exchange companies. Then I put in the address of the AT&T central office, got the same results. Do they have anybody actually running this company? > > - Original Message - > > From: Charles N Wyble <mailto:char...@knownelement.com> > > To: wireless@wispa.org > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan > > > > Of particular interest is > http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
This doesn't seem to work well. I am served by AT&T fiber from a manhole 2 feet from by building. The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they just made a new pull this spring. I entered my address, got back: This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the AT&T incumbent local exchange companies. Then I put in the address of the AT&T central office, got the same results. Do they have anybody actually running this company? - Original Message - From: Charles N Wyble To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan Of particular interest is http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your AT&T circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Eric Rogers Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:52:38AM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: > Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so > I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start > making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. This is because it can take 6 months to put in facilities, so 8 months is reasonable planning. You should keep this schedule in mind too when shopping for a potential replacement. If you think you are going to be switching, you could have AT&T and perhaps Comcast or someone while doing the ARIN/BGP setup, then drop AT&T after setting up BGP. It would satisfy the application requirements and the renumbering would make it easier for you to drop AT&T. Talk to your sales guy toward the end of the month when he's probably trying to get some extra business. The obviously don't want to trade a current connection for something cheaper, but perhaps if you mentioned you want more bandwidth for the same money, or triple the bandwidth for a little bit more money, the idea of them getting the same or more money is appealing. With AT&T there is also likely a period for you to cancel the contract. Like they need 60-90 days notice or it self renews or other stupid things. Be aware of that. > Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and > the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your > area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in > Indiana. > > Another thing to consider is where your AT&T circuit is homed out of. > If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until > you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become > multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would > keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity > would open up. > > Justin > -- > Justin Wilson > http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News > http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter > Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support > > > > > From: Eric Rogers > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with > AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they > stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am > under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast? Comcast in our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to competitors Dave . == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: > Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so > I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start > making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. > > Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and > the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your > area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in > Indiana. > > Another thing to consider is where your AT&T circuit is homed out of. > If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until > you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become > multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would > keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity > would open up. > > Justin > -- > Justin Wilson > http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News > http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter > Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support > > > > > From: Eric Rogers > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with > AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they > stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am > under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
There are AT&T sales reps that aren't lazy? Where? I'll take contact info :-) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: > Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the > contract nears its end. They should have said let’s talk in a couple of > months or something. Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy. If they were > new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to > extend the contract. I have seen 3 years contracts be re-negotiated 18 > months into the contract. Just means the contract was extended. Happens a > lot. > -- > Justin Wilson > http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News > http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter > Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support > > > > > From: Travis Johnson > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:07:50 -0600 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end > of the contract? How does that make sense? > > Travis > Microserv > > > On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY >> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to >> do any BGP peering? >> >> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with >> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than >> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they >> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am >> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for >> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new >> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am >> under contract... >> >> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? >> >> Eric Rogers >> Precision Data Solutions, LLC >> (317) 831-3000 x200 >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 11:04 -0500, Matt wrote: > We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the > Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. AT&T has stated in past we > cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop > price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep > from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get > ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and > get back to us in a week or so. > > Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it > called OptiMan something if we have fiber? It's Opt E MAN... https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89 We were in the same situation (AT&T fiber with a DS3 for ~10 years), but they did let us upgrade from our DS3 to Opt E MAN without pulling any new fiber. Maybe they don't have that capability in your CO? -Kristian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89 The CO has to support it. It is a form of metro Ethernet. -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Matt Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:04:33 -0500 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. AT&T has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
Check out https://primeaccess.att.com/ Of particular interest is http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html On 09/02/2010 09:04 AM, Matt wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
Who is the local power company in your area ? (Pretty much all power companies have a side division which deploys and operates a fiber network.) Most of them provide services "carrier to carrier" as such don't advertise too much... The power companies have right of way and as such can bring fiber service to anywhere... (these days the alternate Cell Carriers are big clients of the Power/Fiber companies... since the local ILECS, pretty much refuse to provide them with reasonable cost, high capacity circuits). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom On 9/2/2010 12:04 PM, Matt wrote: >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY >> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to >> do any BGP peering? > > We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the > Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. AT&T has stated in past we > cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop > price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep > from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get > ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and > get back to us in a week or so. > > Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it > called OptiMan something if we have fiber? > > Matt > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
The CO may not have the right gear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 11:04 AM, Matt wrote: >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY >> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to >> do any BGP peering? > We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the > Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. AT&T has stated in past we > cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop > price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep > from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get > ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and > get back to us in a week or so. > > Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it > called OptiMan something if we have fiber? > > Matt > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. AT&T has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Then you aren't talking to the right people, or they changed their policy. http://business.comcast.com/ethernet/index.aspx Maria Azada Comcast- Enterprise Business Services Direct: 847-585-0409 Cell: 773-447-8487 Azada, Maria [maria_az...@cable.comcast.com] I haven't spoken with her in quite some time, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 10:05 AM, David Sovereen wrote: Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast? Comcast in our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to competitors Dave . == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your AT&T circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Eric Rogers Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the contract nears its end. They should have said let¹s talk in a couple of months or something. Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy. If they were new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to extend the contract. I have seen 3 years contracts be re-negotiated 18 months into the contract. Just means the contract was extended. Happens a lot. -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Travis Johnson Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:07:50 -0600 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with > AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they > stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am > under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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And when I say re-negotiate, I mean sign a new contract at the other rate. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers No no no no What I am saying is that I am willing to "re-up" the contract (as I have done for the last 6 years) and get current services that they are selling to others. I am fully capable/willing to finish my contract with them. What bothers me is that to "Upgrade" to more speed, they are selling it to me at nearly double the price as what they are selling it to anyone off the street. Wouldn't you want to reward current customers for being loyal? It is forcing us to look elsewhere for the upgraded speed, which we should be doing anyway. Just the principal that they won't re-negotiate the contract to what they are selling to others. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up > with AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less > than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and > they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because > I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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No no no no What I am saying is that I am willing to "re-up" the contract (as I have done for the last 6 years) and get current services that they are selling to others. I am fully capable/willing to finish my contract with them. What bothers me is that to "Upgrade" to more speed, they are selling it to me at nearly double the price as what they are selling it to anyone off the street. Wouldn't you want to reward current customers for being loyal? It is forcing us to look elsewhere for the upgraded speed, which we should be doing anyway. Just the principal that they won't re-negotiate the contract to what they are selling to others. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up > with AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less > than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and > they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because > I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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You can almost always get the "new" pricing, if you want to sign a new contract for the same as your existing one. I have done that at least 20 times with Qwest on PRI and T1 lines for customers. The original poster just said "they won't give me the new pricing". Sometimes you have to work at it, but as you said, most of the time they are willing to do it if the new contract total value is more than the existing contract value. Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 6:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the > ethical thing to do is honor it. > BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to > change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow > that. > There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a > contract term or renegotiate it. > > A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business. > A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high > rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a > lower rate for the rest of enternity. > Its called "customer retention". When the market changes sometime contracts > need to adapt with the new market conditions. > One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes > taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the > custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time. > > I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a > mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a > contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with > you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower > prices, for mutual benefit. > > Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract > terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but > it doesn't mean that they wont. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > >> So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end >> of the contract? How does that make sense? >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> >> On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: >>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently >>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of >>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY >>> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to >>> do any BGP peering? >>> >>> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with >>> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than >>> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they >>> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am >>> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for >>> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new >>> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am >>> under contract... >>> >>> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? >>> >>> Eric Rogers >>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC >>> (317) 831-3000 x200 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > ---
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I agree...the economy sucks, use it to your advantage. Tell your vendor you're having a hard time paying the current rate and that you need to get the price lowered or you may have to look at closing your doors. You'll be amazed at how many will change their tune regarding contract terms. Another thing to try is that if you can get a lower price you'll reup on the contract for another 3 years...or whatever your current contract period was. Bret On 09/01/2010 08:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the > ethical thing to do is honor it. > BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to > change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow > that. > There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a > contract term or renegotiate it. > > A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business. > A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high > rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a > lower rate for the rest of enternity. > Its called "customer retention". When the market changes sometime contracts > need to adapt with the new market conditions. > One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes > taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the > custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time. > > I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a > mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a > contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with > you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower > prices, for mutual benefit. > > Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract > terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but > it doesn't mean that they wont. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > > >> So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end >> of the contract? How does that make sense? >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> >> On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: >> >>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently >>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of >>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY >>> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to >>> do any BGP peering? >>> >>> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with >>> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than >>> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they >>> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am >>> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for >>> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new >>> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am >>> under contract... >>> >>> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? >>> >>> Eric Rogers >>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC >>> (317) 831-3000 x200 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> &g
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Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the ethical thing to do is honor it. BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow that. There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a contract term or renegotiate it. A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business. A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a lower rate for the rest of enternity. Its called "customer retention". When the market changes sometime contracts need to adapt with the new market conditions. One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time. I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower prices, for mutual benefit. Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but it doesn't mean that they wont. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end > of the contract? How does that make sense? > > Travis > Microserv > > > On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY >> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to >> do any BGP peering? >> >> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with >> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than >> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they >> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am >> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for >> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new >> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am >> under contract... >> >> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? >> >> Eric Rogers >> Precision Data Solutions, LLC >> (317) 831-3000 x200 >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with > AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they > stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am > under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Eric,I have been trying for months to get someone at att to sell me fiber that is already in my building,they don't call back or dont know who to have me call!!Can you help?Thanks!Jason --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Rick Harnish wrote: From: Rick Harnish Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers To: "'WISPA General List'" Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 5:47 PM That is Henry Street in Indy. It is the main colo facility where all the carriers are. My company has had rack space at Henry Street since early 2008 in Lifeline Data Center. Lifeline has another new data center further east in Indy. Rick > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:36 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > I'll call shortly. It looks like there's a cluster there near 70 and > the river I'd look into. > > http://www.datacentermap.com/usa/indiana/indianapolis/map.html > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 9/1/2010 3:50 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > > We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the > > central office for Mooresville. So, our options are AT&T, or Comcast > > (because they have coax). Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you > > have ideas. > > > > Eric > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:51 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > > > I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from > > Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > >> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them > to > >> do any BGP peering? > >> > >> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up > > with > >> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > >> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and > they > >> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I > am > >> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > >> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > >> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > >> under contract... > >> > >> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > >> > >> Eric Rogers > >> Precision Data Solutions, LLC > >> (317) 831-3000 x200 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > - > --- > > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > - > --- > > > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > - > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
That is Henry Street in Indy. It is the main colo facility where all the carriers are. My company has had rack space at Henry Street since early 2008 in Lifeline Data Center. Lifeline has another new data center further east in Indy. Rick > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:36 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > I'll call shortly. It looks like there's a cluster there near 70 and > the river I'd look into. > > http://www.datacentermap.com/usa/indiana/indianapolis/map.html > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 9/1/2010 3:50 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > > We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the > > central office for Mooresville. So, our options are AT&T, or Comcast > > (because they have coax). Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you > > have ideas. > > > > Eric > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:51 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > > > >I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from > > Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > >> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them > to > >> do any BGP peering? > >> > >> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up > > with > >> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > >> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and > they > >> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I > am > >> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > >> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > >> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > >> under contract... > >> > >> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > >> > >> Eric Rogers > >> Precision Data Solutions, LLC > >> (317) 831-3000 x200 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > - > --- > > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > - > --- > > > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > - > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
I'll call shortly. It looks like there's a cluster there near 70 and the river I'd look into. http://www.datacentermap.com/usa/indiana/indianapolis/map.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 3:50 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the > central office for Mooresville. So, our options are AT&T, or Comcast > (because they have coax). Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you > have ideas. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers > >I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from > Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY >> other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to >> do any BGP peering? >> >> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up > with >> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than >> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they >> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am >> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for >> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new >> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am >> under contract... >> >> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? >> >> Eric Rogers >> Precision Data Solutions, LLC >> (317) 831-3000 x200 >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
> Comcast peering Make sure you recognize the difference between BGP peering, versus supporting BGP on a transit connection. I'm doubtful on Comcast's willingness to peer with small providers at small traffic levels. (allthough not to long ago, I seem to remember they were offering paid peering for $2/mb paid to them, almost anyone qualifying. But paying for peering kind of defeats the purpose, when transit can be bought for under $2 /mb now.) BUT... peeringdb.com lists Comcast as "OPEN" Company Name Comcast Also Known As Company Website http://www.comcast.com Primary ASN 7922 IRR Record Network Type Cable/DSL/ISP Approx Prefixes 3700 Traffic Levels 1 Tbps+ Traffic Ratios Balanced Geographic Scope North America Looking Glass URL Route Server URL route-server.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net Notes peer...@comcast.com is the best email address to send requests for IPv6 & settled peering after reviewing http://www.comcast.com/peering. Check out http://www.comcast6.net/ See you at the Peering BOF in San Francisco during NANOG49! We do not offer SFI on the shared fabric public switches at any IX. REMINDER: Max prefix settings: IPv4 set to 10K IPv6 set to 1K Protocols Supported Unicast IPv4MulticastIPv6 Date Last Updated 2010-05-24 13:13:54 UTC Peering Policy Information Peering Policy URL http://www.comcast.com/peering/ General Policy Open Multiple Locations Required - US Ratio Requirement Yes Contract Requirement Required Contact Information Role Contact Name Telephone E-Mail Policy SFI Review Board meets monthly peer...@comcast.com NOC NE&TO NOC 888-662-6386 peer...@comcast.com Policy Ren Provo 508-243-5629 ren_pr...@cable.comcast.com Technical Jason Philippon 978-244-4012 jason_philip...@cable.comcast.com Sales Steve Lacoff 919-282-7353 steven_lac...@cable.comcast.com NOC NOC - Int'l. number 888-262-7300, option 2 peer...@comcast.com NOC NE&TO NOC US Direct 720-267-7088 x2x2 peer...@comcast.com NOC Maintenance Contact 888-662-6386 NETOComcast_NNOCNotifications@ Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Eric Rogers" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers >I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with > AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they > stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am > under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Do I dare say we have two (2) 100Mbs circuits for $1500 :)! Of course we were fortunate that we were able to run a wireless backhaul link to a CLEC hotel and thus only have to pay for the data portion since we eliminated the ridiculously cost of the last mile loop charges the ILEC gets. We also are possibly looking at Comcast for a third BGP session, but it is my understanding that they only provide BGP on their Ethernet fiber services...haven't yet confirmed that though. http://business.comcast.com/ethernet/dedicated-internet.aspx On 09/01/2010 03:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with > AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they > stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am > under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the central office for Mooresville. So, our options are AT&T, or Comcast (because they have coax). Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you have ideas. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with > AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they > stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am > under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: > I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently > have AT&T Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of > becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY > other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to > do any BGP peering? > > What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with > AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than > what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they > stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am > under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for > price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new > customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am > under contract... > > When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? > > Eric Rogers > Precision Data Solutions, LLC > (317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
