Re: [Xpert] Why won't the server accept connections from local host?
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 10:12 pm, Mark Vojkovich wrote: I run the XFree86 binary. I can't start a window manager from the console. Why is it doing this? I don't have this problem on another machine, but on this one it won't accept any connections at all. Given the HUGE of amount of information you have given us, you might not recieve a meaningful reply because it will take us ages to sift through the detailed explanation and logs that you have given us. Mark. ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
[Xpert] Pixmap corruption
Hi, On my Toshiba Satellite Pro 4300 laptop I get pixmap corruption. (I think pixmap is the right word - all the icons etc) They often disapear, and half appear etc. If I move my mouse over them I get them back, but only temporarily. For an example, I loaded up kmail, and the icons across the top are all fine. However the icons next to inbox,outbox, etc etc are all gone. If I move the mouse over any of them, the ones under the cursor reappear. If I cover up the window, or minimise it etc, then uncover the window, the pictures are all gone again. I searched the archives as best I could and haven't found anything. Any ideas? JohnFlux ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]How do I make my colors _perfect_?
On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 09:44:38AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to have accurate color representation on my monitor. Of course monitors and video cards differ in this area, so how do I know a color being presented to me on the screen is true to the color of the source? Is there any way to tune the Xserver to display colors accurately on a given monitor? Oh boy, you've opened a real can of worms there :) Excuse me if I get the ordering wrong - I've tried to get it right.. :) First there was Pantone - unfortunately this is patented, which is why proggies like gimp don't support them. Even linus himself has expressed frustration at this particular patent. Then apple came out with ColorSync. But a company called Imatec claimed this infringed on their patents. They had a small scuffle, and apple won. (Thankfully - the company in question doesn't seem to actually produce anything, just sue anyone that tries to do color correction - their three patents in this area are overly broad.) Apple then came out with ColorSync2 and the even newer ColorSync3. There have been attempts to get this in programs like Mozilla (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/colorsync/) however this is simply using ColorSync if it comes with the OS. AFAIK there is no ColorSync implementation for linux, however it seems that apple are working on it. ColorSync uses something called ICC profiles which I don't understand, but seems to be something about adding the color information into images. ColorSync is just on the viewing end afaik. Other than the pantone and colorsync/icc stuff, I know of nothing else. Noone in the opensource community wants to get sued by Imatex so noone will touch this area. JohnFlux Thanx, b. -- Brian J. Murrell -- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]could not open default font 'fixed'
I've had this problem when all disk space on my / partition was used, but that was also stopping XFS from running - so I don't know how helpful my advice might be. I've had this problem on multiple occasions. Can we get this fixed please? Thoughts: 1) Get xfs to return the error somehow (via a log file or something) 2) Get X to see the error and tell the user. Thoughts? ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]How are different ATI drivers related ?
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 2:48 pm, Owen Savill wrote: It works :-) However, only if I login as a user, launch X, lauch a console and do an 'su' !!! Attempts to do any 3D stuff without doing this (even root) is met with : libGL error: failed to open DRM: Operation not permitted libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering Yikes - you can get arrested for trying to bypass the DRM. Destroy your machine now, and all evidence. JohnFlux ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Mouse Cursors
On Friday 22 November 2002 6:15 am, Keith Packard wrote: Around 5 o'clock on Nov 22, John Tapsell wrote: Sorry for being slow, but why isn't the display dpi good? You could try to always make the cursor 1cm big for example - isn't that a good thing? Mostly what you need is bigger cursors on bigger screens. Display DPI is a miserable metric for that; I use really small cursors on my 320x240 iPAQ which is well over 100dpi. At the same DPI on my 1600x1200 screen, I'd want a much bigger cursor. Agreed. Perhaps you could work out a function. The size of the cursor should be proportional to DPI. For a screen of size 'screen_size', if I double the dpi, then I want to double the number of pixels for the cursor. Agreed? If the screen_size is halved, then you probably don't want the cursor size to be halved - but you do want to shrink it a bit. It is unclear whether this is a linear function. Perhaps we could try to work out the best size for a cursor on an ipaq, the best size for a cursor on a 14 screen, and the best size for a cursor on a 21 screen, and try to fit that to a linear/quadratic function, and then test that against some other size screens. cursor_size = A(screen_size)*screen_size*dpi*accesibility_ratio Where A is a function of screen_size, and returns the ratio, and accessibility_ratio is the value in the kde/gnome accessibility panel for doubling the size of the cursor etc for ppl with poor sight (NOT intended for people with normal sight trying to see the cursor on their large screen - that would be in the function A) Thoughts? JohnFlux ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Mouse Cursors
Could we have the cursor size be automatically set from the dpi? Is it already? JohnFlux On Thursday 21 November 2002 7:44 pm, Scott Lampert wrote: Is there a simple way to get X to use larger or different mouse cursors? I notice some applications change the mouse cursor but I'd like to do this server wide. I run at very high resolutions 1800x1440+ and it gets difficult to find the mouse cursor without whipping it all over the screen sometimes. -Scott ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Mouse Cursors
On Friday 22 November 2002 1:00 am, Keith Packard wrote: Around 0 o'clock on Nov 22, John Tapsell wrote: Could we have the cursor size be automatically set from the dpi? Is it already? It's automatically set from Xft.dpi resource (if set), or from the smaller of DisplayWidth/48 or DisplayHeight/48. Display DPI isn't a very useful metric here, but the result of the above computation can generate some largish cursors on big xinerama screens, but only if you're tiling screens in 2D. Sorry for being slow, but why isn't the display dpi good? You could try to always make the cursor 1cm big for example - isn't that a good thing? Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]two keyboards: Linux kernel patch and XInput driver
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 7:12 am, you wrote: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:27, John Tapsell wrote: On Tuesday 12 November 2002 10:35 am, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: Two input groups doesn't make sense unless you have two foci. That means the concept the window with focus becomes the list of windows with focus. Yep - this is why I said the WM will have to support this. I think it would need either two event queues, or a new parameter in the event queue to say which input group created the event. I don't know that area, but I'm not sure that such a change could be done without changing the protocol. Hmm, can this be worked around? Apps don't need to know which input group provided the input, and to them they could see just one input group. (If two input groups have focus on the same window, perhaps merge the two event queues.) What are you trying to do? Why not just run two X servers? What if you want to have two cursors on one screen? Brad ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]two keyboards: Linux kernel patch and XInput driver
On Tuesday 12 November 2002 10:35 am, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, John Tapsell wrote: Each input group has one cursor. (Few, in any, graphics cards can cope with multiple hardware cursors, so above one cursor, the rest will have to be software cursors.) Popular window managers will be extended to support multiple input groups. Either by using a new extension, or using the existing extension (I've forgotten what it is called) that gimp for example uses. Uurrg. Two input groups doesn't make sense unless you have two foci. That means the concept the window with focus becomes the list of windows with focus. Yep - this is why I said the WM will have to support this. I think it would need either two event queues, or a new parameter in the event queue to say which input group created the event. I don't know that area, but I'm not sure that such a change could be done without changing the protocol. Hmm, can this be worked around? Apps don't need to know which input group provided the input, and to them they could see just one input group. (If two input groups have focus on the same window, perhaps merge the two event queues.) I really don't like the sound of that. JohnFlux ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]two keyboards: Linux kernel patch and XInput driver
On Tuesday 12 November 2002 5:10 am, you wrote: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, John Tapsell wrote: I would dearly love to see this working. Thoughts? well, I've done some more research, and it turns out that it's already been done. The linuxconsole project (linuxconsole.sourceforge.org) has done this, and they've got a back-patch for kernel 2.4.19 and XFree86 4.2.0. However, I can't download either of them...possibly because of being in New Zealand or something. I dunno. What they did is extend the Linux console system so that all the virtual terminals use different keyboards. You just start multiple instances of X on whichever virtual terminal corresponds to the keyboard you want. I've heard it's pretty stable. Yes, the new linux console system has been planned to be added to 2.5 or 2.6 for some time now. However will it let you have multiple keyboards on one terminal etc? If anyone manages to download the 2.4.19 patch and the X patch, can they email them to me, or possibly mirror the patches somewhere I'd be forever grateful. It's the ruby patch at: http://startx.times.lv/ tim http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~tnw13 Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]two keyboards: Linux kernel patch and XInput driver
On Tuesday 12 November 2002 12:56 pm, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, John Tapsell wrote: On Tuesday 12 November 2002 10:35 am, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: I think it would need either two event queues, or a new parameter in the event queue to say which input group created the event. I don't know that area, but I'm not sure that such a change could be done without changing the protocol. Hmm, can this be worked around? Apps don't need to know which input group provided the input, and to them they could see just one input group. (If two input groups have focus on the same window, perhaps merge the two event queues.) The WM is another application, and it needs to know which input group triggered the event if it is to maintain two foci. Sure, but it is just about feasible to require that the WM has to be changed to use some new/existing extension, as opposed to changing ever app. Can anyone tell me what extension gimp uses for graphic tablets etc? Would that be applicable here? Besides, if a game or a CAD or similar program uses two mice/trackballs/joysticks I'd expect it to want to know which one sent the event, but maybe we could do that by using different events in the same input group. That does make it difficult to know how much to merge two inputs in one group though. ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]ServerLayout without keyboard input device
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 12:26 am, James Chin wrote: Does anyone know if it's possible to specify a ServerLayout section without a keyboard input device? Basically, I have a dual independent head setup with two mice and one keyboard and I want the keyboard to only apply to the left screen, while the right screen only has mouse input. You could always setup a keyboard that doesn't exist, on device /dev/null or something ;) You are running two xservers? If so, are you using the new console layer? ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]two keyboards: Linux kernel patch and XInput driver
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 1:18 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 November 2002 12:56 pm, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, John Tapsell wrote: On Tuesday 12 November 2002 10:35 am, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: I think it would need either two event queues, or a new parameter in the event queue to say which input group created the event. I don't know that area, but I'm not sure that such a change could be done without changing the protocol. Hmm, can this be worked around? Apps don't need to know which input group provided the input, and to them they could see just one input group. (If two input groups have focus on the same window, perhaps merge the two event queues.) The WM is another application, and it needs to know which input group triggered the event if it is to maintain two foci. Sure, but it is just about feasible to require that the WM has to be changed to use some new/existing extension, as opposed to changing ever app. Can anyone tell me what extension gimp uses for graphic tablets etc? Would that be applicable here? I haven't looked at the GIMP code, but almost certainly it is using the XInputExtension. That's the point of the XINPUT extension, to add support for graphics tablets and other additional input devices. Can WM's be hacked to use the XInputExtension, have multiple focused windows, and do everything we have mentioned? Besides, if a game or a CAD or similar program uses two mice/trackballs/joysticks I'd expect it to want to know which one sent the event, but maybe we could do that by using different events in the same input group. That does make it difficult to know how much to merge two inputs in one group though. ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]two keyboards: Linux kernel patch and XInput driver
I would dearly love to see this working. I can't answer your questions unfortunetly, but this is one way I envisage it working: In the XF86Config-4 file, an input group section is added. The syntax of CorePointer and SendCoreEvents is discarded (What is the difference between the primary and secondary mouse ?) All mice in an 'input group' are treated as one mouse - with implicit CorePointer on the first mouse listed, and SendCoreEvents on subsequent mice. All keyboards in an input group are treated as one keyboard. Each input group has one cursor. (Few, in any, graphics cards can cope with multiple hardware cursors, so above one cursor, the rest will have to be software cursors.) Popular window managers will be extended to support multiple input groups. Either by using a new extension, or using the existing extension (I've forgotten what it is called) that gimp for example uses. Thoughts? JohnFlux On Thursday 07 November 2002 11:20 pm, Tim Wright wrote: hi, I'm working on extending X/Linux to use different keyboards with different X Servers. There are two parts to this problem, one I've almost finished and the other I need your help. I've almost finished patching the Linux HID Keyboard driver (2.4.19 kernel) so that it creates device nodes /dev/keyboards/keyboard?? for every USB keyboard. If you ignore these, then Linux functions as usual - all keyboard input streams are merged as the system keyboard. If you open one of these nodes, then events from that keyboard are sent through that node and are not sent to the system keyboard any more. I've written all that code except for reading from the nodes (open and close work fine). I want to write an X-Input extension to open one of those nodes and read the scan codes and pass them through to X as a keyboard. This is where I need your help. How do I do that? Should I use scan-codes, or is something else better? tim http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~tnw13 Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Hooking onto Xserver
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 01:20:05AM -0700, Anurag Palsule wrote: Hello, Is it possible for me to write a wrapper or a hook to the Xserver,so that all the X calls, instead of going to Xserver, will land into my application and my application will inturn pass them to the X server for further processing. If yes, how ? Hopefully someone else will answer this, but from what I remember on previous discussions, the root window can ask to get all the X calls, then your app runs on the root window.. That might help you search for docs on this. JohnFlux msg09988/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Xpert]Overriding a graphics card
On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 09:11:23PM -0400, Yiqun Wang wrote: In my BIOS, there is an option to choose first boot video (or similar). I choose PCI instead of AGP to post on my pci video card. As a matter of fact, most of the time it takes a few reboot before it posts on PCI. I also have this question, and choose PCI. However this doesn't disable the second card or anything, just prioritises the PCI card. Yiqun Wang On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 02:56:00PM -0700, Mark Vojkovich wrote: On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, John Tapsell wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 02:33:05PM -0700, Mark Vojkovich wrote: Are you able to disable the SiS card from the bios? You should try that if you haven't already. Being crappy SiS - you can't. And no, there's no jumpers on the mobo. I assume you got it to post to the nvidia card at least (console comes up on the nvidia card)? You could try moving the slot that the nvidia card is in, or maybe just reserve the interrupt that it is using. I'm assuming you have a shared interrupt or something that is making things unhappy. The bios comes up on the nvidia card. Linux boots on the nvidia card. The framebuffer works on the nvidia card. But X doesn't. (I haven't tried a framebuffered X) When I cat /proc/interrupts, I see the SiS is sharing an interrupt with the usb and ethernet card - 11. But I see no mention of the nvidia card. How do I assign an interrupt to the nvidia card? My bios has no options for this. The option for plug and play OS is set to N, and reserver IRQ for PCI card is set to Y. Thanks Mark. ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert -- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert -- msg09954/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Xpert]Power button on keyboards
Hi all, On quite a few keyboards these days there are extra keys. One of which is the power button. How would I get the power button working? I read the Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO but as far as I could follow, the only examples were for mapping new keys to existing functions (next terminal, etc) Anyway, how about adding support for the power button? I was thinking that one way of doing it would be to write a kde/gnome app that popped up when you first pressed it and asks you to confirm that it is indeed the power button, and whether to shutdown/reboot/custom. On my huge sample of er 3 different keyboards, the power button generates the same scancode (e0 5e or something - can't remember heh) Anyway, thoughts please? JohnFlux msg09308/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Xpert]Power button on keyboards
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 07:14:13AM -0700, Alex Deucher wrote: John, You can map those new keys to run anything. you can write a script that simply contains shutdown -h now and when you hit that key it'll run the that script shutting your machine down. if you want something neat and graphical, take a look at gnomedialog (i think that's the name) it'll allow you to creat simple scripts that pop up a dialogue box that has either buttons or an input field and you can have it execute commands for you. How do I get it to run the script when I press that key? JohnFlux msg09314/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Xpert]Getting the current mouse coordinates in XFree86
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 07:25:31PM +1200, David Antliff wrote: Well, I don't know if it's been done before, but I use Fluxbox and as it stands, it has no ability to place new windows 'interactively' (i.e. choose to open an xterm, click where you want it to be positioned). I know it's simple, but if I had a wrapper for XQueryPointer() then I could use the same technique for any window manager with any window that supports the -geometry option, by having the menu or keybinding run a script that gets the current mouse coordinates. Simple really eh? :) Sounds cool. But, uh, wasn't there problems with -geometry? There is some problem like gnome programs don't like it. I remember a discussion a year back about how should a multi-window program handle -geometry. And what about programs with splash screens, etc.. I have a bad memory, hopefully I'll jog someone else's memory enough for them to flame me and tell me to stfu :) JohnFlux Dave. On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Brad Hards wrote: XQueryPointer is probably what you want (Xlib Reference Manual, pg 496-7, also in man page :) What is the idea? ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert -- msg09222/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: [Xpert]two x-server on one vt
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 03:01:44PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, that's fine. I tried this, and it works. Now I have a problem when I want to logout. If I want to logout, the X-Server is chrashing. So I get no screen and it hangs up. What's about this? Dunno... why do you want them to use the same virtual terminal? I've two monitors at two Graphic Cards. Now I want to display one X-Server at one of them. This is only possible, when I start the X-Servers at ONE vt. One time with :0 and one time with :1 and different XF86Configfiles. Isn't it correct?? I will see the two X-Servers at the same time and when I tried to display them at different vt's I have to change between them with str+alt+(f7/8. That isn't what I want. To get two vt's displaying at once you need kernel support. The linuxconsole project guys are working on this, and I hear are doing pretty well so far - check freshmeat or something. I don't think you can have two x-servers on one VT, but I don't really know either way :) (which one of the X servers crash on you?) I don't know? Where can I seen this? It's so, that when I press the logout-Button one display will be black, and the other shows on one half the KDE on the other half a very bad text console. -Thorsten ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert -- msg07931/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Xpert]2 mice with 2 mouse pointer
I personally want 2 pointers, and do it by binding keyboards and mice together. (e.g. keyboard 1 + mouse 1, keyboard 2 + mouse 2..) There are of course various problems, one of the less technical being that since you have multiple keyboards and mice, you probably will connect them via usb, and the problem with this is that (correct me if I'm wrong) they can order themselves in any order, so everytime you boot up you would have to work out which keyboards are associated with which mice, and if you plugged a new one in, it could (?) reshuffle them again. I personally would love to see this :) However, since the On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 08:24:16AM +0100, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i have two mice at my system (ps/2 and seriell). now i have only one mouse pointer. but i want to have two mouse pointer, each for one mouse. is this possible? and how must i change the xf86config file? or must i split the x11 in some way? X is not designed for 2 pointers, so there is no way of telling applications which pointer is giving them information. I believe that it can't be done at the moment, but this question keeps coming yp, so I've started wondering what people want to happen. How do you want this to work ? It is usually the case that one application or window has the input focus and is told when a mouse button or key is pressed (or released). If there were two pointers, each selecting a different window, would you get a click in the appropriate window when a mouse button is pressed ? Which window would get keyboard input ? -- Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert -- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]2 mice with 2 mouse pointer
bah What I meant to say, before I so rudely interrupted myself, was that you can emulate multiple cursors etc by having multiple X servers. At the moment you cannot have multiple X-servers on one screen, nor can you have them on multiple monitors. The first, I doubt will ever be changed. The second is a kernel issue to do with not being able to have multiple active VT's. However the linuxconsole (.org? or something - check freshmeat or kernelnewbies) ppl have fixed this, and are hoping to get the changes in. So basically you can already, with some patching, have multiple monitors with a seperate mouse and keyboard on each. Not great, but we are getting there... ;) -- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]adding more keyboards and mice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 May 2002 6:17 am, Bharathi S wrote: On Mon, 27 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a demo of Linux + XFree86 4.1.0 with 4 DISPLAY( Mon,KB, mouse). Yeah, I have that working too. But next time you see it, try switching to a console, or running a DGA app... and then run fast. :-))) Yes i will try :-) what is DGA app fast ?? run fast something you do with legs DGA app games... that sort of thing TIA, -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE88y1uoRvfZQkd7qoRAkObAJ0bQtRyi9B0mF2k4AeLhEC68T3BnACfb0Wf h/9wt5YZg3zBH9J1menLCwU= =lIrh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]adding more keyboards and mice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, as I already said, I think some kind of serialization of video device accesses is needed between the multiple X servers. So who would be qualified to attempt such a thing? Who do we have to beg ? :) I saw a demo of Linux + XFree86 4.1.0 with 4 DISPLAY( Mon,KB, mouse). All USB KBs are connected to a MiniUSB Hub and Hub is connected to machine, And USB mouses also connected in similar way. Yeah, I have that working too. But next time you see it, try switching to a console, or running a DGA app... and then run fast. :-))) so how does this work? Or will it crash randomly? JohnFlux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE88m6ZoRvfZQkd7qoRAni1AKC1lWwJx4/50EHI8eHNgEWdIPoAAgCeJXZk 4IB0osdYvHgKx75F1Cf+cyk= =F8Os -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]adding more keyboards and mice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You would be correct, unless someone has written an X server with a VNC Server built in. Hmm.. have there been any attempts at this? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE87iT9oRvfZQkd7qoRAhvKAJ4tJMMEQcFAB4XPRDOlaeTB5vxJfgCglcZ3 YALGO5mBY53x3bA3AGtYS6I= =Fq7T -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]adding more keyboards and mice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There is no accelleration in fbdev. But will there be? Is it possible? btw, whats GGI or whatever it is? JohnFlux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE87ncYoRvfZQkd7qoRAqxcAKC1Bh9Ruw5Seg0INPkC6W5DChLsSACgoRWd uV2GjgGiRpLLC+UDJUAo910= =FjBs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]adding more keyboards and mice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 22 May 2002 9:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Xperts, how hard would it be to add more keyboards and mice to XFree, each delivering events to a different screen, thus enabling a full local multiuser setup? Is there any reason why this couldn't be implemented? This question has come up every month or so as far back as I can remember. I even joined this mailing list to ask this very question... There are tons of threads on it. To do a really quick, probably incorrect summary: 1) You can't have to VT's being displayed at once. This means you can't run and see two seperate X sessions on two monitors. This is a limitation of the linux kernel - and as far back as I can remember ppl have said someone is working on it but I wouldn't hold your breath... 2) You could not go through the kernel and instead attempt to access the video card manually or through the frame buffer or something smart - and some has done this, and posted various patches.. although that still only allows a max of two heads. 3) You could use something like Xinerama (sp?) to have one desktop but over multiple monitors. 4) You can have more than one mouse, but currently you can't have more than one cursor on a particular X server. I think this is because of a limitation in the actual X protocol - if so, don't expect this to be fixed any time soon either. 5) It is hard getting many monitors on a machine simply because the cables aren't that long! The longer you make the cable, the worse the image gets on the monitor. I think you can get round this by using LCD screens - but can't remember for sure. 6) A nicer way of doing all of this is simply to have lots of very cheap nasty machines with nothing but a mobo, CPU, ethernet card and monitor - then get one big server to control them all. See the linux terminal server project. Hmm, I probably missed something :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE87QJFoRvfZQkd7qoRAiR0AKCCy+KisDaaI5gggqgsb2oxFMGl8gCeKdLv u3Yc3QJNAfJrmjhDmMu+1k8= =Sbmm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]adding more keyboards and mice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are you aware of the linuxconsole project at linuxconsole.sourceforge.net, looks like this kind of thing is included in thier plans. Stuff is already getting merged into the 2.5 development kernels. Several years ago (jeez, that long.. how time flies - sigh) I was trying to do the same thing dvorak, and came to the conclusion to wait for the VT clean up. Now that it looks like it is nearly done, and says it will be in the kernel soon, it looks like work on this can begin. I'm up for helping out on this - although I hope the code hasn't changed much over the last few years *grin*. There seems to be two seperate ways that both need to be implemented: 1) Some way for two (human and unix) users to get their own desktops, completely seperated for security reasons etc etc. As ppl have pointed out, either with two seperate servers, or one server with security somehow bolted on. 2) Some way for one unix user, but two human users to use the machine. I.e. two ppl share a desktop. I would like this so that I can work on one half one monitor, and gf on other monitor, then if we want each other to look at something we can drag it across to each other etc.This may however be emulated somehow from 1) JohnFlux btw, is the Arm chip byte addressed or word addressed? I still can't figure at arm architecture, and got an exam on it on monday.. sigh -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE87X9ooRvfZQkd7qoRArU9AJ42GEpHyXX2YIdSUsnzzW1/ix5ffQCeJXE9 8J5FIaeCjUsp7M5xEhQXvLc= =2JD2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]adding more keyboards and mice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 24 May 2002 1:10 am, Trent wrote: 2) Some way for one unix user, but two human users to use the machine. I.e. two ppl share a desktop. I would like this so that I can work on one half one monitor, and gf on other monitor, then if we want each other to look at something we can drag it across to each other etc.This may however be emulated somehow from 1) Run one VNCServer so two people can view it with their own VNC clients. That way only the stuff you really want to share is shared. It's also a whole lot easier to build (no changes nescesary at all if they're not on the same physical machine. Excellent. Now, can anyone see a need for two cursors (or seperate keyboards etc) on one physical display? If not, then the problem pretty much reduces down to, well, nothing. Just making sure X plays nicely with the linuxconsole stuff. Am I missing anything? Btw, what would the overhead be on having the normal display being a VNC client, with a VNC server on the same machine? Just thinking about you could have XDM/KDM/GDM launch a VNC client by default... that would make it easier for someone to connect to.. Would I be correct in believing there is no way of taking my current, non-VNC X session and allowing someone to connect to using VNC? JohnFlux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE87ayXoRvfZQkd7qoRArAwAJ4jnpn3Qvpvo2kwL50ktlklau9rkQCaA/tX 1SHHs7kWXxiQvXDO/pL3ySQ= =mQ2L -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Remote broadcast, possible?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 23 May 2002 2:12 am, res0i1oz wrote: My friends, I am curious to ask you: whether it is possible to find a solution of the problem in Xwindow. The probelm is: I run an application (for Xwindow) in local (machine A), meanwhile, I like to export (broadcast) the same result to a remote machine B. Here, of course, A and B are connected, i.e., B can login to A, run program remotely, or verse via. I have tried VNC and x2x, it seems not worked very well. I am looking for a solution in Xwindow. Any suggestions are appreciated. What went wrong with trying to use VNC? But it does seem like it would be useful to be able to simply click on some icon on the window and get the window manager to also display to some chosen location. Emacs allows you to do something similiar - and it is very wierd and useful having two people edit the same buffer :) Hmm, maybe this would be a case where you would one multiple event queues - from first impressions you would need the app to support it tho, in which case you could just get the app to open up another window elsewhere and have the app manage the synchronisation - which thinking about it is probably the better solution. Thoughts ppl? JohnFlux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE87a5SoRvfZQkd7qoRAnKrAJ45FXcffdghDgQn3oRu5rtoVUugZgCgwDHn ZLYc1NDAU9lNVPBblxKVB3c= =IPti -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]how to copy XF86Free.0.log to floppy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Put the floppy disk in Make a directory for it: mkdir /mnt/floppy its okay if already exists Copy file there: cp /var/log/XFree86.0.log /mnt/floppy unmount the drive: umount /mnt/floppy wait for green light to go out on the drive, and eject the floppy. On Sunday 19 May 2002 6:46 pm, dmitri kerievsky wrote: how can I copy XF86Free.0.log to floppy - the cp commands seems to work, but the file does not appear when I look at it on another computer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of dmitri kerievsky Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Xpert]ATI Radeon VE ( Dell OEM version ) if email is not activated on the pc how can the log file be copied? i had tried to copy the log to a floppy, but the file was not readable on another pc. is there a correct way to copy the log ? thx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of hy0 Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]ATI Radeon VE ( Dell OEM version ) You can try X -configure after installing X4.2. If it still doesn't work, send your log file. Thanks for responding. I've gone through the steps of installing the 4.2 binaries and running the xf86cfg. One issue is that 4.2 source files may have been installed, and other files installed - which prevents startx from working. The configuration program works, but xwindows will not start. Do you suggest doing a fresh install of redhat 7.1, then the 4.2 binaries and xf86cfg ? or any other suggestions/steps to have this work? The system purchased is listed here: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-Details.asp?sku=TS A -21-10AX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of hy0 Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 1:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]ATI Radeon VE ( Dell OEM version ) Is the ATI Radeon VE the same as the 7000? I read this somewhere. Yes Any idea if 4.2 will work with this? Yes ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE85/WhoRvfZQkd7qoRAoJeAKCmFqXxKYDBptv/p00jNEPHTnryvwCfVckU ecfdFuWv8iBkPhO+zcvdQWw= =UwGJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
[Xpert]Dual Head
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Card: Matrox G400 Dualhead X version: 4.1.0.1 Distro: Debian, sid (unstable) Attempt:To get dual head working, using mgapdesk, using xinerama. Problem:kicker (the panel) crashes when kde3 loads up. Enlightenment also crashes when it loads up. Same with sawfish. By crash I mean it freezes - it doesn't segfault, and has to be killed by a kill -9. The dual head seems to work tho, and i can drag windows from one monitor to another. Evidence: It does not crash when dualhead is disabled. No related error messages found in XFree86.0.log. In /var/log/messages I get: May 5 20:29:47 c800 kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for d580,80 found repeated many times with various addresses. Thoughts? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE81ZdmoRvfZQkd7qoRAoxlAKCCqiAjWmXUjtBDS94jZInVbElV8gCgkC2E z0Mr8tTrBxl8RzNVF3bDe50= =1Z/Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]mouse wierdness and xfree86 HELP..
On Monday 11 February 2002 01:04, Brent Bailey wrote: just installed xfree86 4.2 all is good but this mousewhn i do startx...KDE starts up ...and everything looks ok ..untill i move the mouse ...then the cursor flies up to the top letf corner and stays there ..unusableis there somethign i cand o ..like modifiy the config to adjust this ?? or anything ??? please help ... thankx for you help in advance :-) Brent Bailey bmyster.com admin Sounds like you have gdm running at the same time - the two don't like each other. Or perhaps you have the wrong mouse type. I suggest you disable gdm (killall gdm) and the reload X and see if that works. if not, edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and look under the mouse section and see what type of mouse you have set it to, and check this is correct. If you get stuck, try going on to #debian on irc.openprojects.net (I'm JohnFlux) ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]AA Fonts look smudged
On Saturday 12 January 2002 15:42, you wrote: Hello, I am using a 14 TFT 1024x768 LCD screen and I am trying out AA fonts for the first time on a Mandrake system. I have used them on RH 7.2 at work with a 17 CRT display and the result using Open Office makes even the most hard line Windows user go Wow !. At home on Mandrake I am trying them with KDE 2.2.2 (we don't use this at work). The results look like someone has been writing with an ink pen on slightly absorbant paper ! What could be wrong ? Doesn't Linux AA work on LCD displays ? For LCD's you are better off using the sub-pixelling features. :) Any kind of input on why this is happening would be appreciated, Thanks, Owen ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]*Severe* time lossage with XF86 4.1.0 and S3Virge MX LCD
On Saturday 05 January 2002 18:26, you wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, John Tapsell wrote: but could you try with the latest 2.4 kernel? just to check - thanks. Tried *that*, too: 2.2.19, 2.4.4, 2.4.17 . No difference. If I'd had the right binutils, I'd've checked against 2.5.1, but I'm sure it wouldn't have mattered. downgrade your binutils :) Or use 2.5.1-mjc1 or later which uses my patch to fix this problem - don't think it is completely fixed yet tho (do you know how many drivers there are.. sigh) uh, but no point doing this for this problem tho. JohnFlux -Kenny ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
