| -Original Message-
| From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 18 November 2002 19:33
|
| Anyway, nowadays we get more spam than real email, and Jon Drukman is
| still making great music, now with his live electro-pop version of
| Bass Kittens.
That's good to hear that he's s
It's quite possible that Jon Drukman was subbed to uk-dance a decade
ago -- I was, and a lot of us west coasters joined ne-raves and dc-raves
and so on for the same reason, there were a few hundred of us online
worldwide and it was exciting to hook up to a truly global and co-evolving
music and tec
Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 November 2002 15:39
> To: Fred Heutte
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
>
>
> > As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a
> > volunteer-run system and would wel
never to close your ears because of boundaries.)
> -Original Message-
> From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 November 2002 11:01
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
>
>
>
> > Fred I'm not here to t
As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a
volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook
up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say,
it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming.
If anyone has an idea as to how to do this with
> I was on both idm and UK-Dance, and am fairly sure that Warp used IDM
> posts...
I wasn't on either list at the time (I joined both in 1995 I think), so I
was going on the text here...
http://www.uk-dance.org/help/history.html
...which says:
"Warp's Artificial Intelligence album pretentious
> Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion.
> I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been
> buying Detroit
> techno since 1989.
And why do you think we are on this list?
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| -Original Message-
| From: Forrest L Norvell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 18 November 2002 10:35
| >
| > Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the
| > UK-Dance list, I believe...
|
| It's quite possible you're right, although I was on UK-Dance at about
| that
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 10:12:28AM +, tom churchill wrote:
> > Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation
> > Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated
> > postings from the idm list into their sleeve art.
>
> Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were act
> Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation Artificial
> Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated postings from the idm list
> into their sleeve art.
Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the UK-Dance
list, I believe...
But I'm certainly not questio
> I probably should have been more specific, Cyclone -- I was referring
> to your apparently favorable comment -- "some interesting points" --
> but it's really the comments you quoted from the other email I was
> disagreeing with.
Nah, for me "some interesting points" usually means that I hadn't
I probably should have been more specific, Cyclone -- I was referring
to your apparently favorable comment -- "some interesting points" --
but it's really the comments you quoted from the other email I was
disagreeing with.
I'm a pretty strong defender of 313 because it has kept going for
years a
uot;see the
archives" reply. My mouse can only take so much scrolling before the wheel
melts. :)
Dscaper.
Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk
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From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 November 2002 06:55
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mil
My apologies, that was very careless of me.
I was responding to Mr. Corn Warning Kent Williams
on 11/17/02 10:27 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Actually, just to reiterate, I did not post these words so they are not my
> arguments at all. Someone cut and paste it so it looked li
Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion.
I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been buying Detroit
techno since 1989.
in response to your last paragraph a searchable database for the 313 list
archives would be very helpful.
on 11/17/02 10:26 PM, Fred H
Actually, just to reiterate, I did not post these words so they are not my
arguments at all. Someone cut and paste it so it looked like 'Cyclone
wrote'...
People should take care when they cut and paste or whatever so things are
not ripped out of context or wrongly attributed to others.
> I'm goin
I'm going to disagree with Cyclone a bit. While the 313 list has a
place in the history of Detroit techno, our discussions have long
been far more diverse than the intimations of single-mindedness
indicate.
I've been sort of amused by how one accusation of "elitism" got
spun into this meanderi
on 11/17/02 4:09 PM, Forrest L Norvell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing list.
>
> I joined [EMAIL PROTECTED] in September of 1993, soon after its
> formation. The preceding summer, Warp had released the first round of
> (artificial intelligen
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 11:35:19AM -0600, techno wrote:
> >> I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED
> >> after a mailing list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95%
> >> of the worldwide market for the music.
>
> point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing li
on 11/17/02 8:44 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of
>> over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version
>> of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading
> Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of
> over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version
> of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading
> the meme to the hoi polloi. People start seeing their opinions ref
on 11/12/02 2:23 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So what do you want them to do then? everybody has a website nowadays how
> can information be more easier to get???
Good question, Yes you can get a great deal of information from the Internet
and yes some labels like +8 do a grea
On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 07:00 AM, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
What I find hard to get is the musical elitism.
I think this comes across much more amplified than it really is,
especially on a mailing list dedicated (on whatever sliding scale you
think exists here) to Detroit techno.
-
ur prejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about
>>what is OK to like and what isn't.
>>
>>My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but
>>hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what?
>>
>>You don't find th
rejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about
>what is OK to like and what isn't.
>
>My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but
>hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what?
>
>You don't find this purism among the actual producers
is OK to like and what isn't.
My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but
hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what?
You don't find this purism among the actual producers, though.
> Inbox Message
>
> From: techno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered
> but it's not
> > impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If
> it's handed to
> > you on a platter then what's the point?
>
> well fist of all your putting infornation out there that's not easily
> accesable so it'
on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea.
>
> For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's
> not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world.
If information on old and obsolete tec
>>That's the way it has always been...
>that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea.
For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's
not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world.
++
on 11/11/02 10:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> In my previous post the word "elitist" was referring to the collector
> types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited
> releases.
>
> That's the way it has always been in the world of DJs and danc
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote:
> The funny thing is, I've never noticed any elitism in
> the Detroit techno music business until I joined this
> list. It's interesting how the internet helps shape
> the world...
>
Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of
ove
In my previous post the word "elitist" was referring to the collector types
who are not very forthcoming about information on
rare and
limited releases.
I was suggesting something like a DVD archive for listing singles, promos,
remixes, un-released tracks, ect. from well known
to the lesser know D
Dan Sicko wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2002 about following:
> Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please?
hey, IT'S NOT FAIR, i know you gotta have 313-ELITE -header set as
well as you have to be able to fart NO UFO's to get on _that_ list!
ok jus kiddin :)
in reality, elitism is
Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please?
I believe the server forwards messages on a wireless network inside
Lafayette Coney Island.
-d
On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 01:21 PM, marc christensen wrote:
dear "techno" --
It's nice to see you can couple a good, fres
The funny thing is, I've never noticed any elitism in
the Detroit techno music business until I joined this
list. It's interesting how the internet helps shape
the world...
marc christensen wrote:
>
> dear "techno" --
>
> It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight
> to a troll.
>
dear "techno" --
It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll.
Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ
cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview
sources.
Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of
d
on 11/8/02 7:38 PM, Lee Herrington IV at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> does the elitist post to this list?
Yes and they do not always share information.
Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music
culture a social and political aspect to the
music.
Last week on "Invisible Cracker Mom":
LHI> does the elitist post to this list?
He'd never admit to it.
-
Brian "balistic" Prince
http://www.bprince.com - art and techno
Strokes of s of Defiance EP . . . soon.
does the elitist post to this list?
-Original Message-
From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:46 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
I would like to see a comprehensive Detroit techno and Chicago house
I would like to see a comprehensive Detroit techno and Chicago house
chronology of the music year by year.
It may be more practical and cost effective to do something like this on a
digital medium like CD-ROM or DVD since you
would be covering a lot of ground with artist and record label
discograph
actually - that's a really nice website. gives credit and some history to
the trailblazers of Detroit music in #3 which brings me to the topic of
books about the very same-
to you Detroiters and Detroit historians a question -
which books give the best history of Detroit music?
Whether it be en
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