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From: "Ian Cheshire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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ree and loving
people , sharing the wonders of life :)
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From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 August 2002 09:50
To: 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Williams, Howard'; 313 (E-mail)
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Oh plea
people , sharing the wonders of life :)
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From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 August 2002 09:50
To: 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Williams, Howard'; 313 (E-mail)
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Oh please the Jag
rd'; 313 (E-mail)
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Oh please the Jaguar case was completely different!
Sonny wanted to license Th Jaguar from UR, send multiple faxes to UR and UR
told Sonny that they where not interested in a deal with Sonny. So Sonny
just cop
by Sony, so
> would this be classed also as a free piece of music to have?
>
> Robert your comments please..
>
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Okay, well I have to ask, how many of us have 12"s with uncredited
samples? Probably almost everyone here. I think there is some slight
hypocrisy in making the Beastie Boys bad guys cus they are rich and Mr.
Newton a good guy cus he claims he might go bankrupt. The Beastie Boys
usually use s
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From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Look at folk music - who gets credit/royalties for writing the
>melodies/lyrics? No-one - everyone lifts tunes from everywhere
and no-one
>is bothered. It's just the precious jazz musos and g
I think there's one point that must be made in all of this. *you know* the
Beastie attorneys stretched this case out for aeons (this is about "pass the
mic" afterall, a song that's - what, 10 years old???), so they could get
this kind of compensation. Seems to me that is abhorent. It sucks that
any
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> Look at folk music - who gets credit/royaltie
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Looks like I get to play devil's advocate. Okay, how is this for an
opinion: copyright is completely outdated and someday if humans ev
Looks like I get to play devil's advocate. Okay, how is this for an
opinion: copyright is completely outdated and someday if humans evolve
it will entirely disappear. The free exchange of information of all
types is essential to human progress. The idea that information can be
owned or conta
B
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From: webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:46 AM
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er...i think this is kinda crazy mainly because it's only a 6 second
sample...I think this guy pr
yes - that's the point I was trying to make, only more articulate and
concise!
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From: webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: 313@hyperreal.org
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er...i think this
er...i think this is kinda crazy mainly because it's only a 6 second
sample...I think this guy probably didn't make much money on his record that
he recorded in 1978 and is looking for a cash in from the beastie boys. One
thing I would say is hell he should have teamed up with the beastie boys and
: The Music Institute
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On 8/13/02 11:57 AM, "Michael Lees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If someone had the time and not a lot to do :). It would be interesting
> to find out what would happen if you took every b
They advocate it, but at the same time don't want to reveal
their sources for fear of other hip hoppers swiping the same loops or
discovering the secret weapons of their record collection :)
I can't stand the concept that if i bought a record, i therefore have the
right to keep it 'secret.
On 8/13/02 11:57 AM, "Michael Lees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If someone had the time and not a lot to do :). It would be interesting
> to find out what would happen if you took every beastie boys song cut
> them up into 6 second clips a distributed them on the net??
Probably something along t
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If someone had the time and not a lot to do :). It would be interesting
to find out what would happen if you took every beastie boys song cut
them up into 6 second clips
jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org
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everyone, go round to Channel four and ask for Robert Taylor and then
follow
him home and take what is his and make it yours cos after all There is a
school of thought that once a piece of wor
August 2002 16:43
To: Ian Cheshire
Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] > can you post this to the 313 list... ?
> everyone, go round to Channel four and ask for Robert Taylor and then
follow
> him home and take what is his and make
bert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 13 August 2002 17:05
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>
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>
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> > the point is that james newton created
> the original piece; it&
Agreed. I refer you to Neil Wallace's earlier response.
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From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 3:25 PM
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
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Even with this school of thought yo
Even with this school of thought you should credit it as someone elses.
It's one thing to use someone elses work, it's another to try an pass it
off as your own (or at least not care if people think it's yours) even
if it is considered to be in the public domain.
--Mike
Robert Taylor wrote:
[313] > can you post this to the 313 list... ?
> the point is that james newton created
the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE
wants.
Does he really have that right?
There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public
dom
:>the point is that james newton created
:>the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it
what
:>HE wants.
:
:Does he really have that right?
:There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public
:domain it belongs to everyone.
Yes but this is usually accom
>if you don't have the money to go to court, just shut-up, bite
>your tongue
>and don't fight back about the injustice
spot the flaw in the legal system ?
--
This message is intended only for the personal and c
> the point is that james newton created
the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE
wants.
Does he really have that right?
There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public
domain it belongs to everyone.
___
if you don't have the money to go to court, just shut-up, bite your tongue
and don't fight back about the injustice
IMO, if you can recognise the sample you need to credit it, and if you're
selling enough of that song to be asked to pay compensation you should be
respecting the artists tha
Come on don't be so dramatic about this, i think there are thousands of
lawsuits like this going on right now. This is the 21th century be >ready
to
get sampled to death. It wasn't really smart of that Hewton guy to get
>this
case so big he is facing bankruptcy, the whole e-mail is a bit to
>dr
there are far more valid reasons than lost earnings.
something has been created out of love and it has been stolen and abused.
now if the beasties were REALLY worried about the tibetan
buddhists..?
> Artists shouldn't be motivated by money, whether they are sampling other
> people's music
loads are free...
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Van: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: dinsdag 13 augustus 2002 16:58
Aan: 'Langsman, Marc'; Robert Taylor; 'Ian Cheshire';
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'; Robert Taylor; 'Ian Cheshire';
> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org
> Onderwerp: RE: [313] > can you post this to the 313 list... ?
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>
> Now there's an idea...
>
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> From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL
Now there's an idea...
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From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:57 PM
To: 'Robert Taylor'; 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]';
313@hyperreal.org
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ey lets not beat around the bush,,there are few people
>who would sit
>back and bite their tongue and see the dollars just running
>away from them
>from what they originally created.
>
>
>
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[313] > can you post this to the 313 list... ?
>
>
> >
> > Well, yeah, I see the point, and we would never know why he
> started court
> > action.
> >
> > The point though, is that the guy stands to lose everything
> he has, and
> > quite fran
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>
> >
> > Well, yeah, I see the point, and we would never know why he
> started court
> > action.
> >
&g
see the dollars just running away from them
from what they originally created.
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Memo from Alex Bond of Pric
gust 13, 2002 12:28 PM
To: 'Robert Taylor'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] > can you post this to the 313 list... ?
>I've lost a lot of respect for the Beastie Boys since the todo with The
>Prodigy a few years back and this makes them lo
I think he's trying to point out that people on the list might have
different feelings if it was UR bein ripped off [not them ripping other
people].. :]
ahh ok it was worded a little funny.
i missed the people defending the major label i guess...?? wtf?? !
__
>
>UR wouldnt sample 6 seconds of somebody else's music to form
>the backbone of
>a song that they make millions off ofwe all know what UR
>has been thru
>themselves getting ripped off by majors, pretty ridiculous to
>try to imagine
>a situation in which it is reverse...
I think he's tr
six seconds?! thats a long sample!! IMO that really does verge on stealing,
or at least deserving credit as remix/derivative song...you REALLY are
asking for it to sample something that long without permission and then
release it on the largest possible scale.
sounds cut & dry to me if it were
>
> Well, yeah, I see the point, and we would never know why he started court
> action.
>
> The point though, is that the guy stands to lose everything he has, and
> quite frankly, $500,000 to the Beastie Boys' record co. is nothing really,
> and bearing in mind they did use his sample, I think the
e are few people who would sit
back and bite their tongue and see the dollars just running away from them
from what they originally created.
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I've lost a lot of respect for the Beastie Boys since the todo with The
Prodigy a few years back and this makes them look worse. However, what
were
Howard's motives for suing? Did he see dollars
>I've lost a lot of respect for the Beastie Boys since the todo with The
>Prodigy a few years back and this makes them look worse.
>However, what were
>Howard's motives for suing? Did he see dollars or was he a
>genuine outraged
>artist?
surely either/both of the above reasons are perfectly va
at - the "music
business" is dirty indeed - an oxymoron if there was ever one.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:15 PM
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n ok thing to do - as if anyone would
want to nick somnambulent crap anyway!
K
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>To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s
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t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 13/08/2002 13:41:51
To:"'Odeluga, Ken'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org"
<313@hyperreal.org>
cc:
Subject:RE: [313] > can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip
Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of
music use it creatively
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From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM
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Ha! Is this is serious considered response?
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>From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM
>To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s
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>
>Wh
What about the artist's right to sample?
Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been
harmed commercially by the sampling?
No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief
that it is a James Newton record.
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