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>> > Well, Back in the day Detroit had a largish punk scene. One of punks
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http://www.allmusic.com/
A handy link. Go here and search "artist" for Bob Marley. Most of what you
find here is reliable...however, if you search "Being" (i.e., Dave Being)
you'll see that someone thinks this is a Claude Young alias (same pops up
when you search Claude Young). I don't think th
could anyone tell me what year bob marley got big? at least wherever he came
from anyways
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> you can not forget Can!
> they were making some very forward music in the late 60's.
> holger czuk
One further addendum : Johnny Nash had a few singles out in the late
60s/early 70s with a reggae flavor and popchart success stateside as well.
"I Can See Clearly Now" was resurrected later for a Windex (window cleaner)
commercial. I think his cover of Marley's "Stir it Up" made a dent in the
c
Not even. You'd have to back further than that - 1969, I think, to
Desmond Dekker & The Aces' top ten hit "The Israelites". Remember also that
in those days, "mainstream" was considered the AM radio format and FM was
for your more "underground" tastes in general (although by 1973 this was
alr
the British gave us something nice.
> errr...didnt reggae and its dub 'versions' come after the whole rock
> steady/ska thing?
>
> > From: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:52:05 -0400
> > To: "313 List" &
I think I recall seeing them in either 1979 or 1980 at Bookies Club 870.
THAT is where the punk scene emerged in Detroit and *those* were THE days.
jef
At 11:42 PM 8/24/2001, you wrote:
buzzcocks at saint andrews hall 1996. now that was a show.
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> >the clash, specials, buzzcocks were influnced
and rockabilly. Before
the hardcore punk came along that is.
MEK
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Somebody wrote:
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>the clash, specials, buzzcocks were influnced buy reggae and dub but thats
london.
The Buzzcocks are from Manchester, and while Britain is small it can and
often does make a difference.
Nick Hardie
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buzzcocks were from manchester.
punk trainspotting on the 313 list, I own you all. :)
mt
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sherwood, came out in '80).
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> Well, Back in the day Detroit had a largish punk scene. One of punks
primary
> influences was Jamai
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and gino soccio - dancer of course :-)
I think disco influenced a lot !!!
Mad'R
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r's son you
listened to Tamala and Ska.
mt
From: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:07:39 -0400
Thanks, that was somewhat informative, but sayi
Wow! I've seen this post up for 3 or 4 days now and just decided to open one
of them. Too funny! Y'all went from Prince and Electronic to Reggae a Punk.
Keep it going! ;)
"Don't expect anything and you'll never be
disappointed"
TJ
www.wireframerecords.com
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and yet another one for the doubting thomas's of the influence of reggae
upon punk...
http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/reggae.htm
:)
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There was also the famed Rock Against Racism gig in London in 1979 when The
Clash and X-Ray Spex played with Steel Pulse.
miss lauryn g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/24/2001 11:07:07 AM
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I'm the somebody:
hopefully the encoding for this doesn't get messed up. If it does, i'll
re-edit it.
and not really feeling argumentative, if you don't agree that's fine with
me:
http://www.bobmarley.com/life/musicalinfluences/punkyreggae/
Well, Bob was influenced by punk at least.
and the s
this has a nice history of punk music and there is mention of the
influence of reggae and dub music on it.
i'm too lazy to pick the good parts of it out and post it up here, so do
it yourself. :P
http://www.fastnbulbous.com/punk.htm
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ball of wax.
Cheers
todd
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Bad Brains and The Clash were both heavily influenced, as were The Police (if
new wave counts)
"M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/24/2001 10:52:05 AM
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errr...didnt reggae and its dub 'versions' come after the whole rock
steady/ska thing?
> From: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:52:05 -0400
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> Do you have any evidence of this? Can you support this claim? Are you Iggy
> Pop? The only influence Dub and Reggae may have had on punk is the message
> they tried to get across. Ska was directly influenced by the rhythms and
> sounds of Dub and Reggae as is apparent in the music, however
Somebody wrote:
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Well, Back in the day Detroit had a largish punk scene. One of punks primary
influences was Jamaican reggae & dubb. Just had to bring it all back full
circle.
~~
Do you have any evidence of this? Can you su
>
> > Well,
> >
> > Back in the day Detroit had a largish punk scene. One of punks primary
> > influences was Jamaican reggae & dubb. Just had to bring it all back
full
> > circle.
> >
well, before Jamaicans started making their own music (before there was
"reggae" and "dub" as genres) they u
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> ahhh 'toasters'. i havnt heard that word for yonks!!
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ahhh 'toasters'. i havnt heard that word for yonks!!
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I think what a lot of Europeans don't realise is how little Reggae and Dub
permeated America at all. Apart from a little Wailers, Jimmy Cliff and
latterly Yellowman and Beenieman there wasn't the same invasion as happened
over here.
That said, if you want to you can trace the whole lineage of rap
I think when it comes to something like music, it's hard to pinpoint to one
place. These artists listen to so much and the people they listen to have
their influences.
Exactly ...not to mention that whole "grass is greener" cycle
American funk, R&B and soul and European pop/rock/what-have-you
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> now that is something that I would have to ask them but the only thing I'm
> familar with is the famous statement, " Techno is George Clinton and
> Kraftwerk in an elevator."
> That statement right there opens up a whole bunch of influences.
> I can o
you can not forget Can!
they were making some very forward music in the late 60's.
holger czukay is still producing
there is a remix album with a carl craig remix of future days. most of the
remixes are jungle. the black radio and steve shelly rmx is my favorite.
scotto
ps. tago mago is my favori
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> On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, M Elliot-Knight wrote:
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> > I'd say that Jamacians did have a major influence, not just with dub
though.
> > Look at turntablism and New York'
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, M Elliot-Knight wrote:
> I'd say that Jamacians did have a major influence, not just with dub though.
> Look at turntablism and New York's hip-hop/electro scene, in particular one
> DJ Kool Herc (born in Kingston, Jamaica). He brought in the idea of sampling
> and breakbeats.
mp; bass never been
realized?
Techno is like a dandelion...the roots go deep, just pull on them and see if
you get the whole thing. That's my new motto by the way.;)
MEK
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||Another branch on the Black music tree that gets its roots in gospel.
Don't forget Kraftwerk, as well as Giorgio Moroder, and nobody has mentioned
Industrial music; all
very significant branches of the White music tree.
Also, don't forget Tomita; of the rarely mentioned Yellow music tree.
If
on 8/23/01 6:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> for example, I recently learned that "Alleys of Your Mind" is just "Dr. No"
> by Ultravox and what were they into?? It sounds like funk to me as one source.
You must mean "Mr. X", off of Vienna (1980). Classic New Wave.
--
im
well.
I think that there are connections among all of the work by these artists on
techno.
Techno is nothing but more synthesized sounding house with more abstract
sounding concepts. There is dub in there, R & B, funk, disco and whatever
else. Another branch on the Black music tree that gets
artists,
the basic
channel stuff is in a way revisting the dub of old.
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I agree... dub has been s important for techno. remember as well chain
reaction and profan.
btw, no influence came from europe? (same old discussion :P )
daweed
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> i think the early dub pioneers such as lee perry, k
artists, the
basic
channel stuff is in a way revisting the dub of old.
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llections of electronic toys ever assembled. :)
MEK
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it is direct and profound. Bootsy
Collins and George Clinton wer MOST definetly influenced by him, Juan Atkins
and Mad Mike cite him as a major influence more than often...and the list
goes on from there.
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Not to mention at one of techno's peak development years (1989),
Prince released the abominable Batman soundtrack.
(shudder)
-d
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c that would be best
listened to with copious amounts of herb smoking.
MEK
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:38:54
I think if you were to ask some of the source innovators
I think if you were to ask some of the source innovators, both American and
Euro alike, Jimi Hendrix's name would arise more often than Prince's. While
Prince was a huge influence, Jimi built the world's most innovative
recording studio, Electric Ladyland Studios, in 1968 (I think) and up until
Chance".
From: Dan Sicko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:43:04 -0700
Not to mention at one of techno's peak development years (1989),
Prince released the ab
Prince did a techno song in Melbourne during his Australian tour with
Diamond and Pearl. I have it on, um, bootleg. It's kinda like his take on
happy gabba! This was 1990/'91.
You can tell a lot about people from their favourite Prince record - it's
like star signs. I know Derrick May's was 1999,
of production. i'm not saying he "is" techno or
ever even made it, but in terms of four-track bedroom funk, the man is a
pioneer.
brian dillard
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quot;is" techno or
ever even made it, but in terms of four-track bedroom funk, the man is a
pioneer.
brian dillard
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Not to mention at one of techno's peak development years (1989),
Prince released the abominable Batman soundtrack.
(shudder)
-d
At 8:41 PM -0400 8/21/01, Ian wrote:
on 8/21/01 8:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well?
I have heard of Prince referred to as Little Richard Hendryx, the black
on 8/21/01 8:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well?
I have heard of Prince referred to as Little Richard Hendryx, the black
Bowie, and Repo-Elvis before, but I don't think he's the tap root of techno.
A major feeder line maybe.
Consider that Mojo played a lot of Prince to a Detroit radio audien
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