Re: [9fans] cmdline.txt for RPi 4 with QHD screen

I wouldn't call it obvious.  :)  It looks like there's at least a difference in where the firmware blobs are kept.  I don't really know how much difference there is in the driver code, but I would expect that there would be a file in /sys/src/9/bcm that is analogous to ether4330.c.  But I'll

Re: [9fans] cmdline.txt for RPi 4 with QHD screen

I haven't had any trouble with wifi on the 4, with one caveat.  The 400 (and maybe some of the later 4s) have an updated version of the radio.  It just takes a new entry in ether4330.c and new blobs in /sys/lib/firmware.  The entry I've got in my ether4330.c is:     { 0x4345, 9,

[9fans] IWP9 Update

Some of you may have noticed that the original deadline for the camera-readycopy of papers and the WiP reports is today.  The committee has decidedto extend that deadline by one week.  So anyone for whom the edits haveslid to the back burner, you've got a reprieve.  After the new deadline

[9fans] IWP9 Hotels

A week ago I sent out a request for interest in a hotel room block at $200/night.  I got exactly one response saying that's what AirBNB is for.  Unless I hear differently by sometime tomorrow, I'll interpret the lack of response as indicating that everyone has or is planning to make their own

[9fans] IWP9 Housing

The housing situation for IWP9 this year in Philadelphia is not ideal. It seems there's a big volleyball tournament in town at the same time, so many hotels have little availability and they're able to charge high rates. However, we have had one that has said they can reserve a block of rooms for

[9fans] IWP9 10th Edition

we will not have totality in Philadelphia, the path of totality is reachable from Philadelphia in less than a day's driving time. So take advantage of the scheduling to experience both one of nature's most amazing events and discussions of computing's most amazing operating system. Brian L. Stuart

Re: [9fans] Re: Fun with sshsession

On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 06:06:21PM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > > I found another interesting wrinkle. It appears this issue seems to > > only affect diskless CPU servers. I'm able to SSH successfully to my > > auth and file servers. > > Mystery solved! It turns out this was the same issue

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi400 Ethernet

On Friday, May 28, 2021, 3:12:26 PM EDT, Steve Simon wrote: > sadly i have had problems with usb3 which is on > my todo list - usb2 devices work fine as do usb3 > devices in usb2 sockets. I'll definitely keep that in mind.  I haven't been trying to use any USB3 devices, but who know what'll

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi400 Ethernet

request it for no-SD netbooting without hardcoding TFTP_IP in EEPROM */ On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Brian L. Stuart wrote: > > On Friday, May 28, 2021, 2:52:35 PM EDT, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> > wrote: > >> The really odd part is I just moved the SD c

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi400 Ethernet

On Friday, May 28, 2021, 2:52:35 PM EDT, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> The really odd part is I just moved the SD card over >> from a pi3 that was booting fine with dhcp. > > Does the MAC address in the dhcp request look right? It does.  I'm at a loss to explain it, but I ended

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi400 Ethernet

I'm inclined to think you're on the right track with a dhcp problem.  It seems to be working fine if I set the address manually on the command line. The really odd part is I just moved the SD card over from a pi3 that was booting fine with dhcp.  I'll keep digging. BLS On Friday, May 28,

[9fans] Raspberry Pi400 Ethernet

So I picked up a pi400 and everything seems happy except the Ethernet.  I'm using Richard's latest 9pi.img from 9p.io.  At least, I'm pretty sure it's the latest; it does include the /dev/serial driver.  The network switch is showing the hardware to be happy and I'm using a cable that has been

Re: [9fans] Jim McKie

I never got to know Jim, but I always respected his contributions. He will be sorely missed. RIP On Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 08:37:21 PM EDT, Charles Forsyth wrote: I am sorry to say that Jim McKie (jmk) died suddenly on 16 June. 

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 02:02:40 PM EDT, Ethan Gardener wrote: > i still miss 9vx. it was so convenient when it > worked. fun too; i had it full-screened in a little > ... Was? I still use it everyday. It's my primary terminal. I have it take the root from my file server when I'm on my

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 GPIO

On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 5:43:13 AM EDT, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > Do you also need the man pages for i2c and > > spi, or did I send those the first time around? > > If you sent them, they must have gone astray ... if you can > supply a new copy, I'll add them to the

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 GPIO

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 12:21:32 PM EDT, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > Thanks Brian, I'll add your man page to the 9pi image for the > next update. You're welcome. Do you also need the man pages for i2c and spi, or did I send those the first time around? Thanks, BLS

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 GPIO

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 10:27:08 AM EDT, Олег Бахарев wrote: > Need man page for this. My bad. I thought I had sent man pages along with the code. I've included the man page for it at the bottom of this message. > Can you get some example for reading/writing GPIO ? I've also included

Re: [9fans] Are there disadvantages to walk?

On Mon, 4/1/19, Ethan Gardener wrote: > I remember hearing of some disadvantage to > walking directories, but can't remember what it was.  > Could someone remind me, please?  Perhaps there was > more than one, of course.  Perhaps a performance trick > couldn't be employed? The only complaint

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 C compiler for RISC-V by Richard Miller

On Tue, 10/30/18, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > Is there a technical reason (beside fonts that do not cover them) not > > to use a Unicode values for the first letter? > > They're a bit harder to produce on the keyboard. Especially if you're at a VT-220 on the console and can't

Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!

Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:11 AM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > man, i experienced such heavy negativity towards my efforts to build ... > > the idea was to have a 64-bit linux kernel with the advantages of > plan9port (small and elegantly designed+developed tools). Mayuresh, To echo what others have said,

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

On Sat, 9/1/18, Lucio De Re wrote: > I'm trying to arrive at the most elegant solution to the following > problem that does not sacrifice a great deal of efficiency. And, maybe > I need to state this, the final result must be as robust or more > robust than what I have in place currently, which

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

On Wed, 6/20/18, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > but on the back burner is a > Forth-based project; a sort of operating system where the > primary interface to all tasks is a Forth interpreter. So > far, I've written the basics of a text editor. It's > *very* little code! I love seeing this idea

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

On Fri, 6/15/18, Mark van Atten wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Brian L. Stuart > wrote: > > Can't say for LInux, but I run it all the time under 64-bit FreeBSD. > > As of 11.0, FreeBSD has its own fdclose() with conflicting types. > https://github.com/0intro/v

[9fans] Plan9 on Pi 3B+

Has anyone tried Plan 9 on the new Pi 3B+? I've run into something that confuses me a bit. First, it seems you need the new version of start_cd.elf to bring up the 3B+. However, with that, the kernel throws a lock loop error. In tracking down the loop, it happens in startcpus() in archbcm2.c.

Re: [9fans] Inferno on Plan9

Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Brian L. Stuart <blstu...@bellsouth.net> > wrote: >> Which version of FreeBSD did you use, and did you use the >> Inferno on bitbucket?  I'm finding it a long way from building >> out of the box there these

Re: [9fans] Inferno on microcontrollers

On Sun, 12/31/17, Bakul Shah wrote: > I don't think we can assume a more popular plan9 would have > met the fate of Linux. What bothers (some of) us is not that > Linux is mainstream but that it is far too complicated and > kitchensinky. I'd like to think that there can be

Re: [9fans] Inferno on Plan9

On Sat, 12/30/17, Andre Wingor wrote: > And also ready-made live distributions for launching from USB and > installing on a desktop with simple copying > without admins privileges. I haven't thought about anything along those lines with the hosted versions, but a while

Re: [9fans] Inferno on microcontrollers

On Sun, 12/31/17, Rui Carmo wrote: > I honestly don’t think Plan9 or Inferno will become > “general use” without (at the very least) a modern > browser, For which we can all be grateful. "General use" is not a good thing to be desired. One of the biggest reasons I moved

Re: [9fans] Inferno on Plan9

On Fri, 12/29/17, Bakul Shah <ba...@bitblocks.com> wrote: > On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 19:11:22 +0000 "Brian L. Stuart" <blstu...@bellsouth.net> > wrote: >> I'm at the same point I usually am when getting ready to teach my winter >> term OS >> cours

Re: [9fans] Inferno on Plan9

On Fri, 12/29/17, G B wrote: > I used Inferno from bitbucket.org but wasn't able to build > on FreeBSD 11.x/amd64 so I just reverted back to FreeBSD > 9.3/i386.  But I may try to build using 11.1/i386 with > gcc.  I'll have to use KVM on OpenIndiana to try it > though since

Re: [9fans] Inferno on Plan9

On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 7:13 PM, G B wrote: > I've installed Inferno on FreeBSD but how do you build it for Plan 9?  The > makemk.sh file and without looking, I think the mkconfig file too, reference > gcc.  And the makemk.sh has /bin/sh.  Do I have to install a Bourne or

Re: [9fans] The Case for Bind

On Fri, 9/15/17, Marshall Conover wrote: > I'll start digging in to see what I can do. I think I jumped the > gun by trying to contribute a feature, ... On this point, I'd suggest a slight shift of perspective. This is something that I've tried to convey both to collegues

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

On Sat, 10/1/16, James A. Robinson wrote: > Honestly I had been assuming one of those usb battery packs would work. :) They work pretty well. One I tested with a B+ and a 3.5" LCD screen lasted about 4 hours before it crashed. I should time it with a 3 and one of the

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

On Tue, 8/23/16, Brantley Coile wrote: > We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the > list. I can say this particular 9 fan isn't dead...just aging. My main file server here at home runs Plan9, but with my own file system, rather than Ken's. My

Re: [9fans] More about /dev/draw

I'll try to answer several questions here together. > I see an image at bell labs for the raspberry pi. > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/miller/9pi.img.gz > > I see that there are Raspberry Pi 2 Model Bs and Raspberry Pi 3 Model Bs > for sale. Will either one work with that image?

Re: [9fans] Pi Hats and i2c

On Wed, 3/9/16, Vasudev Kamath wrote: >> The second talks to the MMA8451 3-axis accelerometer: >> >> http://cs.drexel.edu/~bls96/plan9/mma8451sa.c > > This link gives Forbidden message (403) Oops. I had the mode set wrong. Try it now and see if works better for you.

Re: [9fans] Pi Hats and i2c

On Wed, 3/9/16, Anthony Sorace wrote: > Anyone have any example code using the i2c interface on the pi > I can look at? I'm playing around with several of these, and am not > getting the results I expect (data getting out, but the hats aren't behaving > like they're getting the

Re: [9fans] Wireless on the Pi?

On Sat, 1/9/16, Anthony Sorace wrote: > Anyone got anything? USB dongle we can drive, or an ethernet bridge > folks have had good results with? WiFi with WPA2 is ideal, but the only > hard requirement for my use case is power: it needs to either draw directly > or be able to draw

Re: [9fans] rpi emmc

On Sat, 1/2/16, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote: > > in diffing bls' version and sources, i see some significant > > differences, but it's not clear which one is more up-to-date. > > Brian Stuart's version is more up-to-date. > > Brian Stuart based his changes on the latest changes

Re: [9fans] Pi updates

On Fri, 1/1/16, erik quanstrom wrote: > i'm looking @ the gpio interface, and i wonder what the recommended > technique for sampling a pin might be from a shell script? I haven't really used it in shell scripts, but if I were going to do so, I'd probably write up a little

Re: [9fans] Pi updates

On Wed, 12/30/15, Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote: > > - Enhancements for I2C and SPI > > is there an updated devrtc3231.c, or a conventional user space > fs, that uses the new i2c? Yes, there's a devi2c userland interface ported over from Inferno. That's what's being used to drive the

Re: [9fans] Pi updates

On Mon, 12/28/15, Anthony Sorace wrote: > And yes, I’d be interested in seeing your > slides, although you’ve already given me > enough to keep my busy for a bit. Anthony, I've put the slides up in the directory at: http://cs.drexel.edu/~bls96/plan9/ The class met one night a

Re: [9fans] Pi updates

> Excellent.  I had suspected that statement was too restrictive, but hadn't > seen the errata or gotten around to checking on a scope.  I'll update that > today. New versions posted. spiclock() now rounds the divisor up to the smallest even number that results is a clock rate less than or

Re: [9fans] Pi updates

> but http://raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/spi/README.md > has an erratum suggesting "power of 2" should be "multiple of 2".  I have > been using a default divisor of 250 for a 1MHz clock, and that's the frequency > I see on my oscilloscope. Excellent. I had suspected that

[9fans] Pi updates

A few months ago I brought up the question of small platforms suitable for a course on small/embedded computing. If you recall the conversation, with input from the collective wisdom, I decided to use the Pi. At that time several people asked if I could share any results from the course that I'm

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Fri, 8/14/15, Brian L. Stuart blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: The fundamental issue ... hwdraw(). Tonight's update: Forget what I said last night about hwdraw() and the difficulty of connecting into the devdraw/memdraw/screen stack. I had one of those embarrassing how did it ever work bugs

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Sat, 8/15/15, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Vncserv must do something similar, maybe that is worth looking at. I went down a similar route but am planning to just address the display as a different type of device, rather than as a plan9 display. Good point. Hadn't thought about

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Sat, 8/15/15, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: cute, you should ship with fresnel lenses, then the reference is complete: http://www.wikinoticia.com/images2//s2.alt1040.com/files/2011/11/Brazil2-800x528.jpg rotfl... I hadn't made the association until you mentioned it. I may have to mention

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Sat, 8/15/15, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, does your uni let you publish your curriculum or course notes? Is this something you've ever considered? I should be able to do at least something along those lines. There are corners of the university that get twitchy

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

I have tried to email BLS but fear I am being spam filtered... you there? I did get one message from you, and replied earlier today. Hopefully it got through. A little more update on recent pi playing. I've been working on a little toy the last few days, namely one of those small SPI driven

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Wed, 8/12/15, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: the gpio pins don't seem accessible through a filesystem api like i see in plan9-bcm (unless i've missed something). I'm pretty sure it's not there.   it would be great to merge that capability in. I've made a start on that this

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Wed, 8/12/15, David du Colombier 0in...@gmail.com wrote: Is all that on sources somewhere or accessible otherwise? Richard's latest Raspberry Pi repository is available here: /n/sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm Cool. Somehow I missed that. I'll pull it and play with it. Using the github

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

Richard has an i2c and spi driver for the pi. I grafted the inferno i2c file system interface on top of Richards driver, though the sub addressed reads are awaiting my return from holiday. Steve, Is all that on sources somewhere or accessible otherwise? Last night, I pulled devbcm from

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Thu, 8/6/15, lu...@proxima.alt.za lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Olimex in Bulgaria manufacture and market worldwide a very wide range of AVR and ARM based boards and peripherals.  They target the DIY market.  Pay their site (olimex.com works for me) a visit. They do look interesting, and I

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Wed, 8/5/15, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: I think the big advantage of the Rpi or Rpi2 (for speed, memory and cores)is that there's a wealth of published projects for them, including hardware ones, and other stuff, and they aren't likely to go away. It's true that

Re: [9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

On Wed, 8/5/15, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: RPI's running something like plan9-bcm (check github) where gpio is exposed should work. I'm going to try plan9-bcm this weekend; i'll keep you posted. Thanks for the pointer. I'll definitely check that out. I'm hoping to

[9fans] Small Plan 9 Platforms

I'm teaching a special topics course this fall I'm calling Computing in the Small. Right now, I'm leaning toward conducting it on a platform that runs Plan 9. I'm looking for something based on ARM or MIPS and that has some useful connection to the external world in the form of GPIOs. SPI, I2C,

Re: [9fans] ssh handshake failed

trying to connect from 9atom via ssh (v2) to my linux machine I get: ssh: dial: handshake failed What should I check that might have gone wrong? (The machine is otherwise accessible from other systems via ssh.) The first thing to check is whether the Linux box is configured to do password

Re: [9fans] ssh2 (at least the legacy version) seems incompatible with

ok, i found some more diagnostic messages in /sys/log/sshdebug: ... The problem might be that `dh.c` has an empty implementation of `dh_client142` ... Ingo, I must admit to being the guilty party for the SSHv2 implementation. Though Geoff gets credit for cleaning up what was some of my uglier

Re: [9fans] [Solved] Anonymous function formal parameter

int trans(int c, char *) { That parameter seems not to be used inside. That may answer the question... Yes, that is the answer. By alowing a parameter name to be omitted, the compiler can warn you about unused parameters without having to add clutter that explicitly says, I'm ignoring

Re: [9fans] DNS/DHCP/AUTH with Raspberry Pi?

I'm new to Plan9, using acme/p9p for a couple of months, and I want to add plan9 machines to my network. I'm thinking that a DNS/DHCP/AUTH server will be an easy step. If this machine could have the role of an Internet firewall/nat-router it will be even better. Do you think plan9+raspi

Re: [9fans] The Third Button

Would it be possible to create the option of merging these two buttons for machines not blessed with the traditional rodent? If you hold down the right shift key while pressing the right button, it interpretes that as a middle button press. I'm not completely certain, but I seem to remember

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

you may edit the wiki yourself to correct these issues. The Wiki seems to be frozen (i.e., not editable anymore): - no Edit button on http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/software_for_Plan_9/ It was changed some time back to allow edits only using the acme wiki interface, rather

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

       - having an SSH2 server (there is one in 9atom, but I didn't  see it in the stock Plan9). Geoff included the same ssh implementation as 9atom has in /sys/src/cmd/ssh2 but with some code clean-up. So the server code is there. I've been meaning to go back an reconcile the two different

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

My whole argument goes about the following hypotheses: 1. increasing the amount of contributions may not scale in the current model. 2. submitting trivial contributions is not trivial for the contributor. Both of these points seem to come from a mental model that just doesn't apply to Plan 9.

Re: [9fans] simplest disk filesystem

I’m looking for a very simple in-kernel filesystem. What's motivating the desire for to be in-kernel? Nearly, every file system in Plan 9 runs in user space. All the ones that have been mentioned do. The only in-kernel file system in the labs' distribution is devroot which is read-only and

Re: [9fans] simplest disk filesystem

I’m trying to make a tutorial explaining the code of a not too large kernel (9), but there are too many things to explain so I have to cut things. So having a simple fs which does not require to explain 9p, the rpc, the mount device, etc would be great. In that case, I'd suggest using

Re: [9fans] Question about fossil

With the trick I am talking about, there is nothing to stop you from connecting to N different remote ventis.  In effect your local (by that I mean under your control, not necessarily on the same machine) venti can be treated as just a buffer! I took a look at some things along those lines a

Re: [9fans] Mistake in Plan9 Mercual port?

ssh2 doesn't work with passwords (at least not without changing server settings), you need to use keys. It does work with real password auth, but current OpenSSH distros default to not allowing real password auth. They use keyboard-interactive instead, and it's set up to look to the user just

Re: [9fans] dual boot

It now booted but the username ram didn't have any of the rc init files. There's a script in /sys/lib/newuser that sets up an initial set of scripts and directories for a newly created user.  The newuser(8) man page give more detail. BLS

Re: [9fans] dual boot

BTW, I recently got hold of your OS book. Very nice book, especially the inferno parts, which was my primary interest when I bought the book. Thanks, Ram.  I'm glad you're enjoying it.  In the midst of moving and preparing to return to the classroom this summer, I plan to get the copyright

Re: [9fans] growing/shrinking venti arena files -OR- arena file format

I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on growing and/or shrinking arena files (i.e., disk partitions).  With the growing popularity of logical volume management, vitrualization, etc., resizing partitions is becoming more and more common, and many file systems already have resize tools

Re: [9fans] iwp9

Americans aren't really creative with their city names. They should learn from the welsh. :) Yeah, we probably do need more where half of the consonants are silent :) On the other hand, I always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was pretty creative... Well, maybe creative is too strong a

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools 3) Lack of a decent web0browser 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client 5) Lack

Re: [9fans] how up to date are the PDF doc files onplan9.bell-labs.com?

I just activated my Kindle.  I mailed myself the PDF of gawk.1 (of course). At fit-to-screen it's too small, but rotated and increased size it's better. As an emergency place to keep the Plan 9 manuals, it sure beats lugging around all that paper. :-)  I'll be experimenting some more.

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

After patching ndb/cs and running nfactotum, I'm still having some trouble getting the new ssh to successfully login to a remote system: term% ssh2 openbsd The following key has been offered by the server: ek=10001 ... Add this key? (yes, no, session) yes ssh2: dial: handshake failed

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

Add this key? (yes, no, session) yes ssh2: dial: handshake failed One other thing that might be instructive is to look at the logs. The client side logs will be in /sys/log/ssh and the server's are often in something like /var/log. They might have something that will help us pinpoint where

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

The client side logs will be in /sys/log/ssh This was not created on my system. My bad. He only uses syslog when he's in the role of server, not client. BLS

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

After rebuilding nfactotum and starting it in a fresh window, I'm able to login to all of the previously tried remote hosts. For the reference of future search engines I have a guess on what you might have been seeing. If in the original window, you had attempted to run ssh with an instance

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

It seems to be failing only when factotum is already populated with keys (I should point out: keys unrelated to the hosts I'm trying to login to with the new ssh): term% sshtun -d term% ssh2 openbsd Verifying server signature In rsa_verify for connection: 0 got error in factotum:

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. ... Let's not take this one completely off the table yet.  SSHv2 would be extremely useful in helping open up communication with external systems again. As Erik said, there is a substantial effort here, probably more than we could

Re: [9fans] copying over 9P using plan9port

I can then cd and explore the bell labs sources via plan9port, so that works just fine. When I then try something like cp -ar sources/plan9/sys/src/ape ape I get an error stating: unexpected open flags 050cp: can not open ”sources/plan9/sys/src/ape/9src/mkfile” for reading:

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone? Because it will cost you $4.99 a minute?

Re: [9fans] MetaPost added to kerTeX!

I will rest on my laurels for the remaining of the week... You've earned it. Congrats and thanks BLS

Re: [9fans] 9vx Binary for Mac OS X

it should be as simple as 'make 9vx/9vx' issued in vx32/src. knowing the right make target was the stumbling block for me too, a few months ago. I'm thinking it should be documented. the ADVENTURE file gives wrong instructions (cd src; make; make install) That's what makes it an

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

Ron wrote: andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: This is great! it is, isn't it? 6 seconds kernel compile, 15 seconds turnaround time when developing anything in the kernel (with PXE boot). beat that, modern operating systems :) yes, I had to help config and build a

Re: [9fans] troff macros for typesetting books/longer texts

Note, that neither plainTex nor troff handle cross-references, automatic equation numbering, footnote numbering, table of contents, etc. Nonetheless, mainly these listed features are often so needed. ... What I am trying to get is something like eplain, but for troff. And I wanted to

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

I could run a headless box as a Plan9 auth/cpu, fs server. Then, if I want to this Plan9 server, is there a minimum Plan9 install that I could put on the spare partition that I have? With this setup available, there are several ways you can go. As a lot of people have suggested, you can

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

I see! I mis-understood what you meant by Plan 9 terminal. I thought that the Plan 9 Live CD gave you a choice of either installing the Plan 9 server or a Plan 9 client/terminal. I now see that that there are terminals available on various OSes to connect to a Plan 9 server. It has

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

to a single underlying (OS) platform, but failed (in a suprisingly ugly way) to cater for different target object formats, even though there were efforts to do so.  In my opinion - and this is all I hold against Plan 9 - by shoehorning various target object formats in the linker/loader as

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

Wasn't that what we found just last week regarding the /dev/sd00/nvram thing?  This is on native Plan 9, (er, under VMware), not 9vx or anything like that.  The filesystem is fossil, not kfs. The file servers that maintain on-disk file systems like kfs, fossil, kenfs, etc. all do use groups

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

I'll check the permissions on /tmp, and I bet you're right there. There's a good chance your /tmp issue is not permissions, but a lack of /tmp being mounted. If your hostowner doesn't have a lib/profile or its lib/profile doesn't mount /tmp, then you won't be able to write anything to it. As

Re: [9fans] native lbl, long text in troff, bold italics in eqn

2) I heard and read that the 'ms' troff macros are not suitable for longer documents (I want to write my PhD thesis), as opposed supposedly to the 'me' macros (which, however are not in plan9, I believe). Can anybody give me their opinion? There should be some macro packages out there that

Re: [9fans] writing to ctl using fprint and write

Thanks Erik, Sape, and Skip.  That was such a STUPID error, and I thank you all for the extra eyes.  I think it is time for a break and a bowl of tea... relax.  not stupid, subtle.  it takes vigilance to keep sizeof, nelem, strlen, and the number of characters straight. This is part

Re: [9fans] Announcement: Fifth IWP9 - Oct 11-13 2010, Seattle WA

AWESOME!  I will try to round up some friends who may never have even seen Plan 9 before as well. Dave If we're going to have newbies then maybe an evening installfest would be fun. ron Good idea. It might also be worthwhile to introduce that with an overview of the roles and

Re: [9fans] crashing 9vx

OK, somebody sent a hint that it might make sense to take the -O3 out of the make flags. Done. Result: I can now get through this command: hget -v http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/download/plan9.iso.bz2/tmp/iso.bz2 |[2]aux/statusbar plan9.iso without an explosion. This is weird. I

Re: [9fans] crashing 9vx

You also have to recompile vx library. I'm pretty sure I did. I did a gmake clean followed by gmake 9vx/9vx in vx32/src. I'm pretty sure I saw the libraries being compiled as the compile commands flew by on the screen. BLS

Re: [9fans] crashing 9vx

you may be right, but it seems too easy to blame gcc. a better fit for the facts so far would seem to me that 9vx' locking is broken. the optimization may just put more pressure on broken locking. I would certainly agree that the variability of the crashes feels like a mutual exclusion

Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate

--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote: ...which led me to believe I needed to do an pre-authenticated connection, but as Skip pointed might not be possible if p9p is capable of doing authentication. I'm pretty sure it is as long as you have the auth server

Re: [9fans] missing machs unearthed

My impression is that mp tables are getting worse and worse on new hardware because vendors assume everyone is running an acpi-aware OS. it's not clear to me that's it's not just general low quality, Does that imply that we can expect the acpi tables to be often incorrect too? 

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