[abcusers] Re: New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bryancreer
John Chambers wrote: > > ©: 1998 Joe Smith ... > > But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On > many  linux  and  *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with > the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think  this  will > work on Windoze or Mac systems

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Phil Taylor
John Chambers wrote: >With the Terminal on my new Powerbook (OSX) it beeps at me and >nothing appears on the screen. Now, this window is ssh'd to a FreeBSD >box, but I know it's not the software there that's doing it. I typed >the earlier message via an xterm on a linux system, ssh'd to th

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > >John Chambers wrote: >> >> ©: 1998 Joe Smith ... >> >> But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On >> many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with >> the ALT-) (or ALT

Re: [abcusers] copyright sign

2003-07-21 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >This is one thing that can easily be written in ASCII, as "(c)" or >"copyright" in some appropriate field; I use the Z: field most of >the time because every time I've wanted to make the point I've been >the copyright-holder,

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Frank Nordberg
Bernard Hill wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes John Chambers wrote: ©: 1998 Joe Smith ... But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with the ALT-) (or ALT-

Re: [abcusers]ABC sects

2003-07-21 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I. Oppenheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, John Chambers wrote: > >> For that matter, I've often wished that abc officially >> supported a bare : in the middle of a staff. In some other >> kinds of music, this is used inside long measures,

Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online

2003-07-21 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >First congratulations to Guido on putting this together - it does seem to >include most of the updated features. I have stayed out of most of the >discussions on what to include/exclude from the standard, but would like to give >a group

Re: [abcusers] Use of !

2003-07-21 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Webber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Forgive me if I have missed any other suggestion along the following >lines but could we not define the syntax (something like) > >U:! newline >U:! flag > >in the header to define whether ! means a newline or a !pp! type >flag

Re: [abcusers] Re: ABC sects

2003-07-21 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mr Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 04:59 PM, Frank Nordberg wrote: >> >> No it isn't. ABC2WIN's ! syntax is breaking (no pun intended) the >> "official" ABC standard (as Chris Walshaw published it). > >To clarify, according to the

[abcusers] About the choice of '!'

2003-07-21 Thread Guido Gonzato
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote: > >Interestingly enough, I can't find any mention of the use of "*" for > >right justified line breaking in Guido's ABC 2.0 draft. This draft > >spec tentatively calls for the use of "!" for this purpose. > > Probably because it wasn't in 1.x... whenev

Re: [abcusers] Re: ABC sects

2003-07-21 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Webber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >What is needed first and foremost is a *file standard* - so that >software developers know what they *should* be doing. >Unambiguously. I don't really care whether some given program >doesn't do justice to legal files - I

Re: [abcusers]New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread John Chambers
Bryan Creer commented: | John Chambers wrote: | > But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On | > many=A0 linux=A0 and=A0 *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol wit= | h | > the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think=A0 this=A0 will | > work on Windo

Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online

2003-07-21 Thread MCPearce0
In a message dated 21/07/2003 11:59:49 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online Date: 21/07/2003 11:59:49 GMT Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet >1.

[abcusers] Re: New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bryancreer
John Chambers wrote: >So I tried it.  Got the Character Map  window,  found  the  copyright >char,  double  clicked  on it, went to another window, clicked on it, >went to the Edit menu and selected Paste ...  and a capital O with an >acute accent appeared at the cursor point in the window. There

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread John Chambers
Frank Nordberg writes: | Bernard Hill wrote: | >>Why shouldn't it? | > | > Er, why *should* it? | | Hmmm | | Seems you're right. I was so sure the copyright symbol was a part of the | ascii standard I didn't even bother to check. It's certainly a part of | the Mac's standard character set! But

Re: [abcusers] About the choice of '!'

2003-07-21 Thread Arent Storm
Having read the discussion about bang & co for quite a while I' d like to add my two (euro)cents. I have more or less implemented a full abc import/export of ABC in MusiCAD based on 1.6 and beyond, trying to accommodate as much extensions as possible (words/multivoice/etc). When implementing lineb

Re: [abcusers]ABC sects

2003-07-21 Thread John Chambers
Bernard Hill writes: | In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I. Oppenheim writes | >On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, John Chambers wrote: | >> For that matter, I've often wished that abc officially | >> supported a bare : in the middle of a staff. In some other | >> kinds of music, this is used inside long m

[abcusers] Dotted elements

2003-07-21 Thread I. Oppenheim
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, John Chambers wrote: > What some editors will do with music like this, to > preserve the original measures but make counting easier, is to use > broken bar lines (here a ':') like this: What has been proposed, is to notate dotted bars, dotted slurs and dotted ties as foll

[abcusers] Re: New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bryancreer
John Chambers wrote: >I should maybe mention that this is a somewhat old W98  box >.  And reboot is several times per day. Perhaps it's gone into a sulk because it's heard you being rude about Microsoft. Bryan Creer

Re: [abcusers]New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread John Chambers
Bryan Creer wrote: | | John Chambers wrote: | | >I should maybe mention that this is a somewhat old W98=A0 box | >.=A0 And reboot is several times per day. | | Perhaps it's gone into a sulk because it's heard you being rude about=20 | Microsoft. Maybe. And note that a lot of the recent M

[abcusers] Abacus 2.1.0 release

2003-07-21 Thread Bryancreer
Abacus 2.1.0 is available for download.  (2.0.0 never made it into the public arena.) I've been tinkering with it for so long that I can't remember all the new things since 1.0.0 but it's got a much whizzier interface and things like selecting print size and transposition.  Oh yes, it doesn't fall

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Phil Taylor
John Chambers wrote: >An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of >tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled "Standard" and >"Metric". You folks in the rest of the world may find yourself >bewildered by this, but yes, they actually get away with it. W

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread John Chambers
Phil Taylor writes: | John Chambers wrote: | >An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of | >tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled "Standard" and | >"Metric". You folks in the rest of the world may find yourself | >bewildered by this, but yes, they

Re: [abcusers] About the choice of '!'

2003-07-21 Thread Wil Macaulay
Please don't think me rude, but I think you've missed a very large category of users completely. These are people who record large collections of tunes (admittedly, each tune is likely to be a 'simple folk melody' with or without lyrics), often in the hundreds or thousands of tunes, related by

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bruce Olson
John Chambers wrote: > > Phil Taylor writes: > | John Chambers wrote: > | >An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of > | >tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled "Standard" and > | >"Metric". You folks in the rest of the world may find yourself > |

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Richard Robinson
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 07:04:02PM -0400, Bruce Olson wrote: > John Chambers wrote: > > Phil Taylor writes: > > | John Chambers wrote: > > | >An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of > > | >tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled "Standard" and > > | >"Me

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Phil Taylor
John Chambers wrote: >Phil Taylor writes: >| John Chambers wrote: >| >An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of >| >tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled "Standard" and >| >"Metric". You folks in the rest of the world may find yourself >| >bewilde

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread John Chambers
Bruce Olson writes: | John Chambers wrote: | > There was a rather funny NRP article in the late 80's about the | > non-celebration of the 100th anniversary of the US "going metric". | > They explained what they meant by this, of course, and in the process | > explained a lot about the

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bruce Olson
John Chambers wrote: > > Bruce Olson writes: > | John Chambers wrote: > | > There was a rather funny NRP article in the late 80's about the > | > non-celebration of the 100th anniversary of the US "going metric". > | > They explained what they meant by this, of course, and in the process

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bruce Olson
John Chambers wrote: > > Bruce Olson writes: > | John Chambers wrote: > Sorry for that; I clicked the wrong button. NIST studies a situation and makes reccomendations to Congress. Congress, not NIST, then considers, and decides what will be a legal definition. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk:

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Frank Nordberg
John Chambers wrote: I can't think of a way to make a funny tie-in to music for this now. Maybe someone else can. Not so funny perhaps, but US orchestras tend to tune their instruments slightly higher than waht is common in the rest of the world. This is sometimes a problem for wind players

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread John Chambers
Frank Nordberg writes: | John Chambers wrote: | > I can't think of a way to make a funny tie-in to music for this now. | > Maybe someone else can. | | Not so funny perhaps, but US orchestras tend to tune their instruments | slightly higher than waht is common in the rest of the world. | | This is

(Getting OT) Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Frank Nordberg
John Chambers wrote: Yeah, and there has been a slow inflation of "standard" pitch over the several centuries that we've had such a concept. ... One of the explanations that I've heard is that string players tend to be leaders in this race. ... They do, and singers suffer the mos

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Tom Keays
Jack Campin writes: > I use A: for the author of the words. This violates the 1.6 spec, > but the "area" idea just doesn't work - you can't fit the geographic > description of a tune into a one-liner. And in another email continues: > Better to use the O: field hierarchically: > > O:Halifax, Nov