Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Bill Prince
I don't really know. We usually get a big package of TP, and what we have (got a couple weeks ago) should last us a another month or so. We also keep hand sanitizer in all our vehicles just for general purposes (alcohol in hand sanitizer works great for removing u

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Steve Jones
Have you found this to have helped with the nonsense at stores? Hand sanitizer and tp? On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:12 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Here in California there is a very long list of essential services > including grocery, internet service, home construction, and on and on. > We are also allo

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Bill Prince
Here in California there is a very long list of essential services including grocery, internet service, home construction, and on and on. We are also allowed to be out for exercise of almost any sort (hiking, biking, you name it). The one watch word for anything you do outside the home is the s

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread James Howard
[cid:image001.jpg@01D5FEEC.F6C350F0] From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 5:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question I do recommend everybody never be in the same building or share vehicle

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Steve Jones
I do recommend everybody never be in the same building or share vehicles. If one guy gets a cold or flu and runs a fever, your whole company should quarantine. That could be a disaster. Especially if it turns out not to be kungflu, which it probably isnt. I'm working a project right now, the infras

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
OK, reading the executive order, I interpret it to say Internet is essential infrastructure that we can continue to “offer, provision, operate, maintain and repair”. I take “offer” to mean we can do new installs. It also seems to say hardware stores can stay open. Whether they do I guess is

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Jason McKemie
It looks like the Illinois government is just trying to induce a panic. I'll be really curious what the numbers look like from State to State once this blows over. On Friday, March 20, 2020, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order. > > I'm not wor

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I would imagine each jurisdiction would be different, but here's what the feds have to say: https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ---

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order. I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug stores will stay open. Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon and the parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying agai

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You are essential services.  You are a public utility. Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter 704". I assume other states would have something similar. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Tyson Burris
Wouldn’t surprise me if we all got a half dozen different answers from people who should know. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadb

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
In the US Telecom conference call Monday they said the feds absolutely want the bits and bytes to keep flowing to everyone right now. If cell towers go out your internet may be the only way someone can call for help. We are going to absolutely maintain infrastructure to existing customers. New inst

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread chuck
The telecom act of 2015 I think defined BIAS providers as public utilities. Public utilities are essential services. Just refer to your self as a public telecom utility. If questioned refer to the act that defines you as such. From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 1:40 PM To: Anim

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread chuck
You are essential services. You are a public utility. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 1:32 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] shelter in place question Maybe California people already have this figured out. What does a “shelter in place” order mean for

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Robert
i.e. 80% unreported unless you are someone famous or very rich...   Sounds like that doctor that was saying over 50K cases in the US four days ago was spot on... On 3/20/20 10:52 AM, Craig Baird wrote: Based on recent experience, I don't think the published infection rates are anywhere close t

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread David Coudron
My understanding from the letter that WISPA provided is that we can certainly do infrastructure repairs. I believe we’d also be able to do customer repairs as needed. New service is probably more of a gray area, but I would expect that new service for a customer that has no service right now w

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Steve Jones
I'm working on getting us that specific answer on an authoritative level. It's going to mostly boil down to enforcement and fuel access at the end of the day. I know you're not an issue ken, but any impacted wisp needs to be professional and follow any commands of enforcement. We can get waivers i

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
We're an essential service so operation mostly continues normally. We've been asked by County health department to use discretion when entering a house.  If there's no way to distance ourselves from the person(s) inside then we're supposed to not go in. I'm in NY though.  The governor made an

[AFMUG] shelter in place question

2020-03-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe California people already have this figured out. What does a "shelter in place" order mean for WISPs? Can we still do new installs? Customer repairs? Infrastructure repairs? I'm fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be essential services. What about new installs? -- AF

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
A high school friend of mine has a 3yr old who just came down with a coughing, wheezing respiratory infection with fever.  In the absence of testing it's hard to know if that's Covid-19 or just a cold.  He'll get over it and get better and then we'll never know for sure. On 3/20/2020 1:52 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Craig Baird
Based on recent experience, I don't think the published infection rates are anywhere close to accurate. Why do I say that? My 10 yo. daughter came down with something yesterday morning. She came in our bedroom coughing, wheezing and short of breath. She had a low-grade fever around 100. We hav

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

2020-03-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yep On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:42 AM Steve Jones wrote: > Set the ballast on the unistrut going out? > > This should work. It's only 2 months probabably > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:02 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Rough sketch.. >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 1:28 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> Wo

Re: [AFMUG] OT from my science teacher daughter

2020-03-20 Thread justsumname .
you mean hysterical stuff like this? https://apnews.com/6eb1c0c83b87eac98611ac45625de63f and maybe this, which I found here on this forum several years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 6:34 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Truer words were never spoken. > > On T

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Steve Jones
That is a concern I have around here, farmers are aging out, kids not taking over, may be a lot of opportunity to buy the farm On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:43 AM wrote: > Cows will keep growing, hay keeps growing, farmers will keep planting. > One single farmer can create an enormous amount of wheat

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread chuck
Whelp my grandfather enforced quarantines in 1918. Actually made some people move to “pest houses” and made sure they had food and never left the building. Nobody hijacked food deliveries back then either. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:24 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Sub

Re: [AFMUG] Wb Surge suppressor surface contact

2020-03-20 Thread Josh Luthman
You'd easily get close to 0 ohms, which I think is really the test for your grounding. That's a really neat idea, but I'd definitely put it in an APC metal box when you get some time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 19,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread chuck
Cows will keep growing, hay keeps growing, farmers will keep planting. One single farmer can create an enormous amount of wheat. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:24 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies If people get hungry enough they might do any

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Steve Jones
They are been going to be hungry because they are stupid and assume there is no food when there is. People with imagined problems are the worst We've seen it on display On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:25 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > If people get hungry enough they might do anything. It's not a matter of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
If people get hungry enough they might do anything.  It's not a matter of being inherently good or evil.  People will rationalize bad behavior to fulfill basic needs. Remember the warning label: /Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior/ /"I'm only hijacking this produce truck to feed my f

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread chuck
All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide catastrophe that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks would be getting hijacked on the highways. Didn’t happen. Don’t think it is gonna happen. People are inherently good. It is an old debate. David Hume

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread chuck
Maybe I will just go get a prophylactic tracheostomy now before the rush starts. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:14 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of t

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

2020-03-20 Thread Steve Jones
Set the ballast on the unistrut going out? This should work. It's only 2 months probabably On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:02 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Rough sketch.. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 1:28 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand. We may >>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Steve Jones
Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who does that is incompetent On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of > those than anything else. Not that t

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

2020-03-20 Thread Jason McKemie
Here is an idea for the flat roofs: https://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-25g-ballast-roof-mount On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Steve Jones wrote: > Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand. We may > want to put some EPMP clusters on a piece of 25g on some roofs. 2 of the > roofs ma

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Steve Jones
So far population infection rates haven't hit more than 1 percent anywhere have they On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 12:07 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what > is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid > May

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
The problem with "shelter in place" is that s many exemptions, does it really help any? What percentage of the population has legitimate reasons to bypass it? Farmers, anyone in food, medical supplies, or healthcare, anyone in logistics, anyone in retail that supplies the former. What hav

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

2020-03-20 Thread dave via AF
Exactly more professional and possibly a long term install. If you have a steel building with pitch im sure there would be a place somewhere on the outside to do a small pad and pin and building attachment to go above peek height needed.  I mean if your gonna do it make it last ten years... O

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

2020-03-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
We built a frame support using uni-strut and cinder blocks ...it was solid ..three foot dish , many years again...will draw a sketch in a bit... On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 2:10 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > That sounds like an insurance claim waiting to happen. I would be more > optimistic if it was a flat

Re: [AFMUG] OT..Just because

2020-03-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
Maybe..if work dries up next few weeks. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 12:48 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > Is it really ever too early? > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:20 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Fridge...too early >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 12:11 PM James Howard wrote: >> >>> Where is the Tecate? >>>