Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-29 Thread Jason McKemie
I'm not even sure why anyone is still buying 820C radios with the pricing that Aviat is running. On Sunday, March 29, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048 > quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium

Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

2020-03-29 Thread Ryan Ray
Spacex next? http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2020/03/21/why-spacex-desperately-needs-a-government-bailout/ On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM Robert Andrews wrote: > Expected to go out for funding based upon launch success and no market > to pull money from... > > On 03/29/2020 01:06 PM, Matt

Re: [AFMUG] OT: usually 10.00

2020-03-29 Thread Mathew Howard
Hey! Muenster is the best cheese there is... On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 3:48 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Don't buy Munster. > > > bp > > > > On 3/29/2020 12:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Wow. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-29 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Just priced a full link is all. Yeah Aviat full license out the door with antennas, cables, power supplies was half of Cambium. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Are you just pricing qty=1? If not, are you just figuring 20% off MSRP, > or have you asked your Cambium sales

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Are you just pricing qty=1? If not, are you just figuring 20% off MSRP, or have you asked your Cambium sales manager for better pricing? Also have you included all accessories and license keys in your BOM? Not saying that will change your price comparison, just some things to make sure it’s

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread David Coudron
That virus stuff is beyond my pay grade, I was really just trying to find a way to work that Austin Powers scene into a discussion somewhere and this was about as close as I could get to a topic that would support it  However, our whole world is shut down over a virus that wasn’t supposed to

Re: [AFMUG] OT: usually 10.00

2020-03-29 Thread Steve Jones
I need this in my life On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 3:48 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Don't buy Munster. > > > bp > > > > On 3/29/2020 12:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Wow. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1988/09/28 From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:58 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December I've wondered about that. I recall an article by someone purporting to know about such things. They

[AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-29 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048 quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium pricing the 820c at double the Aviat? Sounds like Cambium should be cheaper since the Aviat clearly has some advantages. -- AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread Adam Moffett
I've wondered about that.  I recall an article by someone purporting to know about such things.  They suggested that we needn't be worried about alien viruses because they would have evolved in a world with no humans and no creatures anything like humans.  Therefore they couldn't have evolved

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Robert
Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Now THAT is funny. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Or...    "Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hire a moron and have him watch 17 TED talks. https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-03-25 (you have to read the strips from the next few days also) -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 5:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an

Re: [AFMUG] OT: awesome enchiladas

2020-03-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
I had six!! On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 4:50 PM wrote: > Dang, I haven’t even had lunch yet. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:42 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: awesome enchiladas > > Thanks wife > > -- > --

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread chuck
Now THAT is funny. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: On Sun March 29 2020 14:49,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: awesome enchiladas

2020-03-29 Thread chuck
Dang, I haven’t even had lunch yet. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT: awesome enchiladas Thanks wife -- AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Robert
Or...    "Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. We used to call them paper tigers, loads of

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Larry Smith
On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: > And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs > that went no where. We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, but could not do the actual job. -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT: usually 10.00

2020-03-29 Thread Bill Prince
Don't buy Munster. bp On 3/29/2020 12:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Wow. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Robert Andrews
Now the are all WISPS.. On 03/29/2020 01:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Used to be if you could find a farm kid that was also a ham it would be a good hire. *From:* can...@believewireless.net *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:49 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT

Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

2020-03-29 Thread Robert Andrews
Expected to go out for funding based upon launch success and no market to pull money from... On 03/29/2020 01:06 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Ooops On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: And another one bites the dust.

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread chuck
Used to be if you could find a farm kid that was also a ham it would be a good hire. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:49 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I don't think there has been a good predictor found of

Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

2020-03-29 Thread Matt Hoppes
Ooops > On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > And another one bites the dust. > > https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/ > > -- > > bp > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread can...@believewireless.net
I don't think there has been a good predictor found of wealth or success. (GPA, college degree, MBA, etc.) But you can see people in your field that you would say, I'd hire them in a second. They may have been high school/college dropouts, low GPA, no sports ability, etc. If you had looked over

[AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

2020-03-29 Thread Bill Prince
And another one bites the dust. https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/ -- bp -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread chuck
I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that have done very very well. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query One of my roommates in college was also an engineering

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread David Coudron
I wonder what viruses will be brought back from Mars.Globalization brings its own set up problems, travel to and from other planets could also bring some new challenges to us that are bigger than this virus. Everyone would need to go through an Austin Powers level de-contamination process

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA. He couldn't land a regular engineering design job (didn't help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread David Coudron
I was trying to be funny. I should know by now I am not that good at it  Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:36 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December I would suspect the opposite would happen. Or

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread David Coudron
Perfect. I like it. And if they chose to live in the same neighborhoods they’ll be Covidians. Not sure my tongue in cheek comment came through in my earlier response. I was trying Steve’s stork predicament with Chuck’s line of thinking…..  Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Adam Moffett
In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last. I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out.  I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Darin Steffl
I think people who like attention and try to impress people, live the most miserable lives. Those with the most true success typically avoid the limelight and attention because they're too busy succeeding and changing the world. So the jocks or whoever you're referencing peak in highschool. After

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread Chuck McCown
I did do homework and science projects for troglodytes for money. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:29 AM, justsumname . wrote: > >  > I came from a family background of various starvationings. Now the democrat > party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
I would suspect the opposite would happen. Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren't the only protection in short supply? From: AF On Behalf Of David Coudron Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December That would

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread Bill Prince
If you are living with someone, the distance rules do not apply. You are in it together. bp On 3/29/2020 10:23 AM, David Coudron wrote: That would mean couples aren’t practicing good social

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread justsumname .
I came from a family background of various starvationings. Now the democrat party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money and they don't care about my life. Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them. -- On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM wrote: > Since we

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread David Coudron
That would mean couples aren't practicing good social distancing habits in their homes. Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:18 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Next December Corona Boomers. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] Next December

2020-03-29 Thread chuck
Corona Boomers.-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-29 Thread chuck
Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked? I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. The troglodytes

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread Colin Stanners
In my experience running at a fraction of the load to obtain longer runtime does work well with at least the Smart-UPS units; UPSes / inverters will be less efficient at the lower load, but at the same time batteries are more efficient at a lower discharge rate. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:14 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
The only new thing I’ve seen is I think there are some UPS models now using Li-ion batteries, but still like Colin says, almost no UPS is designed for long runtime without external battery packs. Even buying a higher power unit and running it at a fraction of rated load doesn’t help much

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread chuck
Hard to go wrong with a Generac. They really are not that expensive. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load for 5-10min so to

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread Colin Stanners
Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load for 5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think that you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in 1000-1500VA UPS models. There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if there were any new options available that might be better. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke wrote: > Yes, Depends on what your load is. At home I'm using a

[AFMUG] FCC gives access to 5.9GHz spectrum for rural wireless broadband amid coronavirus pandemic

2020-03-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
https://www.cnet.com/news/fcc-grants-temporary-access-to-5-9ghz-spectrum-for-rural-wireless-broadband/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread Nate Burke
Yes, Depends on what your load is.  At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with 120AH batteries.  It runs everything in my home office, plus the waterheater/furnace (heat only).  It's on a transfer switch to plug the portable generator into it for an extended outage.  Luckily I'm on all underground

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need? It matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple hours. Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now which

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread Colin Stanners
We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so

[AFMUG] Good Home UPS

2020-03-29 Thread can...@believewireless.net
What is a good UPS to use at home? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com