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<> > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:57 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > It’s probably like the moon landing deniers. They can confront Buzz Aldrin, > who can punch them in the nose. But soon ever

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[AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Gay eye doctors are just fine with me. From: James Howard Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 2:28 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber But you mentioned homeopathy……… From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffet

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Gay eye doctors are just fine with me. From: James Howard Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 2:28 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber But you mentioned homeopathy……… From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Fr

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id into the cookers out of > my mind. It was a mix of nazi footage and liberators footage. Sounds like > your 89th book but the film version. > > From: Ken Hohhof > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:57 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] R

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But you mentioned homeopathy……… From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 1:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber If we need to call "lent" on discussion a well established fact like the holocaust then we

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: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:57 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber It’s probably like the moon landing deniers. They can confront Buzz Aldrin, who can punch them in the nose. But soon everyone who was actually there will be dead, and people c

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=cHxGUe1cjzM From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 1:08 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber But the skeptic might argue that the fact that you knew someone with a tattoo on his arm actually proves that it did

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or not eggs will kill you. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:48 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber If we need to call "lent" on discussion a well established fact like the holocaust then we're doomed. Up is down, black is white, all

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they put people in prison camps and/or > tattooed them. > > > > > > This topic definitely has the potential for an early Lent….. > > > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 12:34

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What kind of AP’s and how far apart to get decent coverage? I assume a captive portal? Mesh topology? We’re looking at Xirrus and/or Cambium e700, anyone got experience with either (or other suggestion)? > On Jun 11, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > Why are you doing fiber? > > We

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wbmfg.com *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 12:34 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I was not alive during the Holocaust, nor have I ever been to Germany. So I only know what I have experienced. But the overwhelming quantity of media on the subject see

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Lent….. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I was not alive during the Holocaust, nor have I ever been to Germany. So I only know what I have experienced

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that... From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:21 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber If you mean because of the Internet then I agree with that. I asked an astronomy question on Quora and an actual astronomer answered it. That kind of direct access to

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to be so stupid is astounding. Unless you consider he may have been on the asperberger/autism spectrum. From: Robert Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:15 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I worked on the Stanford campus in the 70's.. saw and talked to Shockley

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ng to the expression “butt of a joke”. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Robert *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 10:54 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Were you in the same class as I was?   We had the same professor, I think..  Drove me off the deep end...  Specially when he b

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tests.  We kept telling him it was spelled Butz but he thought we were joking.  Brings new meaning to the expression “butt of a joke”. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Robert *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 10:54 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Were you in the same class as

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elled Butz but he thought we were joking.  Brings new meaning to the expression “butt of a joke”. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Robert *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 10:54 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Were you in the same class as I was?   We had the same professor

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ents and > tests. We kept telling him it was spelled Butz but he thought we were > joking. Brings new meaning to the expression “butt of a joke”. > > > > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:54 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [

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Butz but he thought we were joking. Brings new meaning to the expression “butt of a joke”. From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:54 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Were you in the same class as I was? We had the same professor, I think

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t:* Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and Antenna systems :-)   D’s get degrees.   I’m never going to use this shit.   Take the EIT / PE exam? Why the hell would I ever work as a consulting engineer. Of course my first job is a consulting engineer, and I deal with micr

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’s in most of the linear stuff. Got the B’s in the digital crap that doesn’t matter to anyone  (those guys are called bit freaks) Got a C- in integral calculus. *From:* Mark Radabaugh *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 8:42 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fi

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Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber   Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and Antenna

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did I ever want to do it the hard way”? From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:22 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber See, I only cared about the digital stuff. Though power, motors, etc. were pretty cool as well. Grades were good in those

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alFarm Microwave Users Group <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and Antenna systems :-) D’s get > degrees. I’m never going to use this shit. Take the EIT / PE exam? Why > the hell would I ever work as a consulting engi

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m Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I like your solution actually.   Should work out well. Hardest part with trailers is getting through the aluminum box.   Putting AP’s close will help a lot. Mark On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Adam Moffe

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, June 12, 2020 8:42 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and Antenna systems :-) D’s get degrees. I’m never going to use this shit. Take the EIT / PE exam? Why the hell would I ever work as a consulting engineer

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best to cut it horizontally and make it a V pol. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 8:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Makes you wonder if a wire and an alligator clip could turn the aluminum box into an antenna. Ye

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ugh > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:07 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > I like your solution actually. Should work out well. Hardest part with > trailers is getting through the aluminum bo

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best idea. From: AF On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:07 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I like your solution actually. Should work out well. Hardest part with trailers is getting through the aluminum box. Putting

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I like your solution actually. Should work out well. Hardest part with trailers is getting through the aluminum box. Putting AP’s close will help a lot. Mark > On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Wow this thread blew up while I was sleeping. > > I'm proposing both a wi

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;mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber On 6/11/20 6:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Who said anything about the middle of the road? I think he's thinking they always come with a trailer and therefore wouldn't fit in a space. -- AF ma

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Wow this thread blew up while I was sleeping. I'm proposing both a wireless and fiber solution.  I'm sure they'll pick WiFi because it'll be cheaper, but I wanted to put all the cards on the table. As far as why I'm bothering to propose fiber: 1) If there's fiber to the power pedestal, and e

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gt;>> They can come in. Pay for a space. Stay the night and buy WiFi. >>>> >>>> What is the issue? >>>> >>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I guess I should have said tractor. >&

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> On Jun 12, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > Hotspots are also restricted. Now that one will get them into a shitload of trouble, especially if you try to actively block them: https://www.fcc.gov/document/marriott-pay-600k-resolve-wifi-blocking-investigation

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June 11, 2020 8:44:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I’m still confused. What’s the issue? Tractor paying for night. In spot. Paying for WiFi. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > I don’t get your question. > > They can come in. Pay for a spa

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hat is the issue? >>> >>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I guess I should have said tractor. >>>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 11, >>>> 2020 7:22 PM To:

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>> >> What is the issue? >> >>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> >>> I guess I should have said tractor. >>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 11, >>> 2020 7:22 PM To: af@

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ppes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I see. Well that’s illegal in the parks we manage and security would be over in a flash. I’m aware of continental. Which is interesting since OTARD doesn’t apply to commercial. On

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ay the night and buy WiFi. What is the issue? On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I guess I should have said tractor. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber On 6/11/20 6:10

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e not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Why would a semi be parking in the middle of an RV park? On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:35 PM

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/media/over-air-reception-devices-rule -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I see. Well that’s illegal in the parks we manage and security would be over in a flash

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Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I’m still confused. What’s the issue? Tractor paying for night. In spot. Paying for WiFi. On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: I don’t get your question. They can

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e? > >> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >> I guess I should have said tractor. >> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 >> 7:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber >>>

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1, 2020 > 7:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber >> On 6/11/20 6:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> Who said anything about the middle of the road? > > > I think he's thinking they always come with a trailer and therefore wouldn't >

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I guess I should have said tractor. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber On 6/11/20 6:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Who said anything about the middle of the road? I think he&#

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On 6/11/20 6:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Who said anything about the middle of the road? I think he's thinking they always come with a trailer and therefore wouldn't fit in a space. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

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sday, June 11, 2020 7:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I’m sure they could stay. But not in the middle of the road. They would need to be in an assigned space. On Jun 11, 2020, at 8:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Interesting. You do not want t

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ool if it is available, and their truck > will not get messed with in an RV park. But it is illegal to be a customer? > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 6:44 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber >

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, 2020 6:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber I see. Well that’s illegal in the parks we manage and security would be over in a flash. I’m aware of continental. Which is interesting since OTARD doesn’t apply to commercial. On Jun 11, 2020, at 8:38 PM

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>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 7:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> >>> I guess you have not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM >>> To: An

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;> On Jun 11, 2020, at 7:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >> I guess you have not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately. >> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users

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sday, June 11, 2020 6:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Again. Why would a semi be parking in the middle of the park? Sure. It can be in a designated space. No one parks in the roadway to sleep. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 7:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: &

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riginal Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > Why would a semi be parking in the middle of an RV park? > >> On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >

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I guess you have not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Why would a semi be parking in the middle of an RV park? On Jun 11

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mer that uses their "mobile" dish at their > scalehouse during harvest. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:17 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > So

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June 11, 2020 5:17 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber So if a semi wants to park there and they have a nice mobile sat under the radome, you going to knock on their sleeper and ask if they are watching TV? -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent:

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We did a fiber fed unifi system in a 150 site RV campground and it has worked out quite well. Active Ethernet with BiDi optics to a Ubnt Fiber POE and Unifi AP mounted on a 4x4 post between sites or on a building. Hid a 24V 1A POE inside the nearest power pedestal and a short buried cat5 to feed fi

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] RV Park Fiber OTARD does not apply to someone else’s property. Normally the satellite dishes are not mounted on your RV they are mounted on the land belonging to the camp owner. And 0TARD does not apply to commercial environments which a campground is. On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Robert

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OTARD does not apply to someone else’s property. Normally the satellite dishes are not mounted on your RV they are mounted on the land belonging to the camp owner. And 0TARD does not apply to commercial environments which a campground is. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >

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How can you enforce no satellite dishes. Sounds like a clear violation of FCC OTARD... You couldn't even tell if we were using our satellite dish it's fully enclosed and not visible. On 06/11/2020 02:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Why are you doing fiber? We have a 300 unit RV park where every

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Ive used mikrotik RB922UAGS-5HPacD with sfp and 2.4g R11e-2HPnD inside a metal enclosure and external antennas. On 6/11/2020 4:03 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal.  I just thought it wo

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Why are you doing fiber? We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is required to stream over the Internet, no satellite dishes are allowed. It works absolutely fine and everything is back hauled wirelessly to the sectors that cover several RV campers. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam Moffe

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Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal.  I just thought it would be nice to have the option to plug in a cable. I did find a comms enclosure that bolts onto the back side of the RV power ped. http://www.rvparksupplies

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As an "RVer" I will say that we are all set up for WiFi connections and doing a hardwire would be something that we _never_ plan for. Don't even carry and ethernet cable... On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site? I'm imaginin

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If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site? I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi enabled ONT in a box, on a post next to their power and water hookups.  I'd want the campers to be able to plug Ethernet in at the box if they have the wherewithal to do so.  And if they don't then