Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and 3.65ghz and then middle of the summer deciding i had to"try" some ePMP because the cost was so low I couldn't resist I can say now that I am fairly certain I will probably stick with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I consid

[AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Curious how the bitlomat offering will stack up to ePMP. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/17/2014 02:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: ePMP is better than all the other wifi based crap. But if you're g

Re: [AFMUG] DFS issues

The problem with non-integrated DFS APs is that Motorola/Cambium never released a factory connectorized version for the US. So they assume to be 7dBi integrated APs. Now you're presenting twice the antenna gain (or more) to the radio which had DFS calibrated for a lot less antenna gain. On 10/

[AFMUG] DFS issues

We are starting to see a lot more DFS detections on 5.2 AP's. We never used to have this problem. Recent upgrades to firmware seem to be making this a more sensitive detection. I have one tower tonight with 6 new FSK sectors that are on abcabc layout. The sectors in this layout have radar de

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

6.21 is a special release candidate put out today. 6.20 is the current "stable release". bp On 10/17/2014 7:26 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I’ll have to check release notes to see that “issues” it fixes. I consider flat-out not working kind of a major issue. And I just upgraded a bunch of s

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

I’ll have to check release notes to see that “issues” it fixes. I consider flat-out not working kind of a major issue. And I just upgraded a bunch of stuff from 6.13 to 6.19, we’re on 6.21 now? From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 7:16 PM To: af@afmug.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Vs. Vivint

I think Google is developing a Carrier Agregation Wireless protocol that works in unlicensed Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/17/14, 12:17 AM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" wrote: >Looks like Google is moving in to Vivints wir

Re: [AFMUG] Doug Watson's streaming script for Mikrotik

My apologies. I was told this and unfortunately didn't write it down. Thanks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 5:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Doug Watson's streaming script for

Re: [AFMUG] Doug Watson's streaming script for Mikrotik

You mean Doug Watkins @ Blast? Isn't Watson some Microsoft guru? :) On 10/17/2014 7:00 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: Can anyone tell me how I can get a copy of it? Rory

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Oh, nice. Probably more crashes after upgrading too I'm sure. On 10/17/2014 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: 6.21 includes a change to help with switch chip issues on the 2011 and some other models. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Yeah, even the 450 isn't fast enough to go up against a solid cable network on speed alone. On the other hand if you have any customer service at all, it's likely much better than Comcast. If you've ever had to deal with them you know what I mean - kind of like talking to a rock (OK, that might be

[AFMUG] Doug Watson's streaming script for Mikrotik

Can anyone tell me how I can get a copy of it? Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Don't fret about what others are doing. Customers are always looking for alternatives, especially phone co. & cable co. customers. Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 -Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Right, we won't beat the cable companies, but we can come close enough to take a big to us amount of their customers. If I had 10% of the market, I'd be throwing dollar bills out of my helicopter. (I reserve the right to use one dollar bills and an RC helicopter.) - Mike Hammett Inte

Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Random thought

I agree. The industry has come a long way in just a few short years. Can't wait to see what's next! -Jeff From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cstanners--- via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 6:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [QUAR

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

I don't disagree with your sentiment, but cable companies are offering stupid-fast plans now thanks to Google Fiber in more and more markets. Comcast is doubling speeds for free in some of their markets now. I doubt WISPs will ever win over the average residential customer who is eligible for ca

[AFMUG] Random thought

It's interesting that we needed Ubiquiti to push forward the industry by creating a high-end/high-capacity backhaul at a very low price, and Cambium to do the same by creating a wifi-chip-based/value-priced PtMP and mid-capacity PtP system that has GPS sync and seems to work very well. A few ye

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

6.21 includes a change to help with switch chip issues on the 2011 and some other models. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 17,

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

Gotcha... Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Jeremy via Af wrote: > Also, the Corning rack splice trays and tower boxes will accept six LC > connectors (I know they make a 12 as well, but the tray in my rack will > already accept another adapter later). This is me planning for fut

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

Why not buy a pre-terminated cable? Helps in several ways. It is could be cheaper as they won’t use field-installable crimp connectors. They will test it and make sure all strands are within acceptable loss limits. And if you buy it from someone who has all sorts of different cable types on

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

Also, the Corning rack splice trays and tower boxes will accept six LC connectors (I know they make a 12 as well, but the tray in my rack will already accept another adapter later). This is me planning for future upgrades, as I am only installing one link on the fiber now. Plus, I am using field-

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

For six backhauls. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: > Curious why you want 12 strand? > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Jason McKemie via Af > wrote: > >> It usually isn't a problem finding shorter lengths. The shortages I've >> noticed are mainl

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

Curious why you want 12 strand? Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: > It usually isn't a problem finding shorter lengths. The shortages I've > noticed are mainly several thousand foot spools. > > > On Friday, October 17, 2014, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Nope, just bridging here. Which now on v6, any bridged packets are fast-path'd on the same controller, IIRC. On 10/17/2014 5:18 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote: Are you using the switch chip, or just ROS Bridge? I have several in the field without any issue, but only in ROS Bridge mode, not using

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Are you using the switch chip, or just ROS Bridge? I have several in the field without any issue, but only in ROS Bridge mode, not using the switch chip. If I have to go out tonight and power cycle one though, I'm hunting someone down for bringing it up. On 10/17/2014 5:14 PM, Chris Fab

[AFMUG] ePMP Radius

I am having issues with Radius. I am using the values that the user manual specifies in my dictionary file and I can get the subscriber to authenticate and set the bandwidth, but I cannot get the Vlan settings to work. Dictionary values ATTRIBUTE Cambium-Canopy-VLIGVID 21 integer #VLAN Ingres

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

I have seen some device, can't remember what, that was unable to pass traffic to the Gig ports on a RB2011 but worked OK on the 10/100 ports We have several of these in place as CPE routers and no problem reports yet. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

They were saying in Albany that they'd tested it with 120 subs, but they wouldn't suggest more than 50. They were touting the number 50 as being about double what you'd normally see suggested for wifi based equipment. How'd you arrive at the number 25? Did you have trouble with it? Depends

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

ePMP is better than all the other wifi based crap. But if you're going to put a couple hundred subs on a tower, use the 450. On 10/17/2014 4:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp offerings but we have a new site going up and I need to

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Depends on customer density per AP. If you have low (<25) density, I would recommend ePMP. Otherwise I would recommend 450. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/17/2014 02:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Sent a tech to the site and he says... none of the (GigE | FastE) ports show a link. Power-cycle, fixed. Happened again a couple hours later so we replaced it. The another one, he gets there and says the FastE ports show a link but there's no traffic. Power-cycle, fixed. That one I don't think

[AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp offerings but we have a new site going up and I need to decide pretty quickly on some equipment. For the guys who have been using both 450 and epmp do you have any pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money when epmp seems t

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

It usually isn't a problem finding shorter lengths. The shortages I've noticed are mainly several thousand foot spools. On Friday, October 17, 2014, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: > I was told there's a shortage right now. > >> I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project >>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

Not a shortage of armored cable, but fiber in general I was told there's a shortage right now. I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project that we are working on. It seems like nobody was using multimode last time we asked so we didn't get any takers. We have decid

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

I was told there's a shortage right now. I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project that we are working on. It seems like nobody was using multimode last time we asked so we didn't get any takers. We have decided to just use singlemode instead since that seems to be

[AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project that we are working on. It seems like nobody was using multimode last time we asked so we didn't get any takers. We have decided to just use singlemode instead since that seems to be what most are using. I really don't want to

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Never had any out of box defects on those. We did have a CCR come in smashed. The case was bent violently. The strange part is the box was completely pristine and free of creasesit seemed to us that the unit must have gone into the box already bent. Maybe somebody at the factory needed

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

I’ve had 2011’s with 1 bad port out of the box, and one with the heatsink rattling around in the case, but this is something different. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 1:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? How did

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

How did you figure that out? Does it log something about the status of the switch controller. I've had many 2011's appear to crash for no apparent reason. Come to find out, the switch controllers are what crash from time to time. Sometimes all of the GigE ports stop working, other times it'

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

I think you misunderstood. The sitemonitor remembers the devices to ensure the order of the oids remain the same. To end up with a specific order in the device there are two methods: Zero out a device you want to move to the end of the list and rescan. Or.. type the serial number of each devi

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

Mike, It is not 1 gig on 11ghz. It would be 660 Mbps full duplex on 80mhz channel with 1024QAM. We were quoted around the $8k for a full link with 3' dishes. That is the hardware price for complete link, not including coordination or FCC fees. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Gino Villarini via

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

wont take the serials, I change them, but when i rescann it just adds another set of expansions with the original serial On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:37 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: > Set your preferred serial order, then rescan, reboot or power-cycle, > doesn't matter. >

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency

Its being worked on…. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Organization: Skyline Broadband Service Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Fr

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

Really? What band? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 1:28 PM To: "af@

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

Set your preferred serial order, then rescan, reboot or power-cycle, doesn't matter. On 10/17/2014 12:31 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: are the serials set to the unit as in if I change them, then powercycle they will reset? It would sure be nice if the base unit could allow multiple IPs so yo

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

are the serials set to the unit as in if I change them, then powercycle they will reset? It would sure be nice if the base unit could allow multiple IPs so you can assign the communication to each component seperately for SNMP purposes On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadc

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

Alcoma (caters primarily to European markets) is in teh US now. $8,500 for 3' dishes, 1 gigabit of non-compressed throughput. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" To: af@

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

Nope, it's almost always random. You can set the serials in the order you want, then just issue a rescan.. move on with life. On 10/17/2014 12:25 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: ok, so now a new question I removed the devices set to 0, cleared them Then when I reconnected base unit-syncinjector-

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

ok, so now a new question I removed the devices set to 0, cleared them Then when I reconnected base unit-syncinjector-UPS its showing the index order as base unit-UPS-syncinjector Does it not go in the physical order they are connected? On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

I've had many 2011's appear to crash for no apparent reason. Come to find out, the switch controllers are what crash from time to time. Sometimes all of the GigE ports stop working, other times it's the FastE ports. I'm not a fan of the 2011s at all. On 10/17/2014 9:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wr

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

Jesus H Kittens My power supply was not connected, I didnt even think to look at that since the light was on, apparently that light is powered through the serial cable. Im a dumbass On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:17 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: > 6 flashes and the SyncPipe w

Re: [AFMUG] Trojan battery supplier

I'd talk to your local golf course. They probably can get them cheap. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Trojan battery supplier Looking for a good place to buy Trojan wet cell b

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

6 flashes and the SyncPipe wouldn't power up means you didn't have the power input to the SyncInjector connected, or no power to it. The SyncInjector will either power its expansion bus by itself (if it has power on the input block) or it will take power from the base unit. That's why you coul

[AFMUG] FS: Lots of stuff :)

** PLEASE REPLY OFFLIST We will have approximately 50 P10 2400SMs available on Wednesday, being pulled from working service from PDMNet's network on Tuesday- $ 75 each (minimum qty 10). OR best offer on the whole lot. We also have about 20 P10 2450APs (stock - integrated) and about 3

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency

My understanding of the ePMP platform is that it has a frame size of 5 ms, and that can't (won't?) be changed. Isn't the latency a direct link to the frame size? bp On 10/17/2014 9:32 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: It's being worked on Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 17, 2014, at

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

To remove a device that's no longer connected, change the Serial # to a zero, and then do a rescan. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: > I remember somebody asking this once before > How do you clear a device from a base unit. We were testing a syncinjector > then remov

Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions

The flashing light on the syncinjector is a trouble code. Forrest posted on this list some of the trouble codes, so you might scan the archive for posts from him. Dunno why your SiteMonitor is doing that after a power cycle. It should be like the dawn of a new day when you power it up. Go

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency

It's being worked on Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 17, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Darin Steffl via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: There was no mention of reducing latency with GPS sync in a PtMP setting. Still 17ms or higher but someone correct me if I'm wrong. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:46

[AFMUG] packetflux questions

I remember somebody asking this once before How do you clear a device from a base unit. We were testing a syncinjector then removed it and started testing a UPS moniter, but the base unit still shows the syninjector, we have powercycled, we have rescanned, still there. Also we have a syncpipe that

[AFMUG] [FS] MTCNA PLUS

Course Dates: Dec 8-12, 2014 Location: Orlando, Florida Registration: http://store.wispgear.net/ Price: $995 (less any discounts - Read to the bottom to get one) What is it that makes a Butch Evans training better? Butch has been in the business of teaching end users about the MikroTik product si

Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes

.3 microseconds? 295 feet of vacuum gives you .3 microseconds of latency. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes You known of an SDN solution with 0.3us latency? Cool. Can I plop down 8 or 10

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency

There was no mention of reducing latency with GPS sync in a PtMP setting. Still 17ms or higher but someone correct me if I'm wrong. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Matt via Af wrote: > So are they looking at a reduction in latency WITH the GPS running on > the ePMP platform? > -- Darin Stef

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency

So are they looking at a reduction in latency WITH the GPS running on the ePMP platform?

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

6.13/3.14 on an RB2011iL. Yeah, likely the customers media converters are not Gig capable, they are pretty old, it was disconcerting not to be able to talk at 100M or even 10M though. I’m more worried that it doesn’t seem to talk to a CTM-2 on a GigE port. And who knows what else. From: Nate

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

What ROS/Routerboard version? Does the customers Media converter auto-negotiate, or does it only work at 1 speed? It's been a while since I've used them, but the 1G converters I had were only 1000base on the Ethernet port, no auto. On 10/17/2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Yes, in thi

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Yes, in this case the MT interface reported successfully negotiating 100 Full, but never counted any rcv packets. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? Wellautonegotiation failur

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Wellautonegotiation failures happen sometimes, but typically those work ok when you force the speed on the link. In the case I'm thinking of, we could not get a working link no matter what. It was quite awhile ago now, but I think it would report a link was up while the input counters n

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

We have a couple devices that don't work with Mikrotik devices at all. Putting a switch in between fixes it but not ideal. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: > Yes...maybe. We had somebody not able to get link with an RB2011. I don't > think we ever tried the 10/100 po

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Yes...maybe. We had somebody not able to get link with an RB2011. I don't think we ever tried the 10/100 ports. The customer ended up getting a different router. Is there an issue with the GigE ports on Mikrotik RB2011 not talking to some devices no matter what settings you try? I had this

[AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

Is there an issue with the GigE ports on Mikrotik RB2011 not talking to some devices no matter what settings you try? I had this with a customer's copper/fiber media converter, moved it to a 10/100 port on the 2011 and all was good. Now I think I'm seeing the same thing with a CTM. Setting the

Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes

So far they have been cooperative with it. They did require us to ship them back to the factory and cover the shipping cost but otherwise no charge. We are looking at interoperability of the G.8032 with other providers gear for the central sites. It appears we may be able to get the MetroNode

Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes

24 GHz, 60 GHz, 80 GHz, ducting, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Eric Kuhnke via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:57:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Un

Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGV-MDZ3UE&list=UUwFW0ZgZNcmZgAYN_zVxQ-Q I don't know the latency specs, but we're not running HFT, so it's probably fine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds via Af

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency

The ptp are based on AP hw, so diff atheros cpu and gigabit port Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date:

Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes

Yeah, but the benefit of the performant method is you use both paths at the same time, and if you have a voip productsegregated by vlan, you can force it to take the lowest latency path. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/1