Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

NG-PON2 is about to become the thing here shortly. Multi pon waves across a single fiber makes an ae fiber buildout a bit over kill. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Well you can drop 7.5ms of latency after 2.5 is released. That's if you need sync to solve your problem. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 10:28 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > That's the conundrum. The UBNT links are self

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Well, that's not a problem with AF5x... they take less than 15 watts. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:33 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Except for the 40-50 watts per radio. > > On 8/9/2015 8:53 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > I figure we can get away with having one or two synced ePMP links, but > when a tow

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Except for the 40-50 watts per radio. On 8/9/2015 8:53 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I figure we can get away with having one or two synced ePMP links, but when a tower is 3+ hops out, some of those are going to need to be lower latency links. I suppose the way to go would be to just use airFiber

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

That's the conundrum. The UBNT links are self interfering. ePTP does me no good because no sync and the latency sucks with TDD, with or without sync. So the one site where we're having the most issues, we're just going to move things around and get more physical separation between the Rockets a

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Well between towers what's stopping you from eptp? Should be an easy Monday morning. Give me a ring if you can't get them associated. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 9:25 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > Yes, last-mile I

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

I figure we can get away with having one or two synced ePMP links, but when a tower is 3+ hops out, some of those are going to need to be lower latency links. I suppose the way to go would be to just use airFiber everywhere... almost no latency and sync. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:25 PM, George Sko

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Yes, last-mile I'm not so concerned with. It's the 50+ miles of PTP links that add up. Now double that if a link goes down and traffic goes the long way 'round. I'm all for licensed, but the guy that writes the checks isn't. :( On 8/9/2015 6:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Oh for backhauls yes.

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Oh for backhauls yes. I thought you were talking about those last mile extra bumps from the grain leg to home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 7:22 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > Well, it's a big deal to me after two or

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

..angry words On 8/9/2015 5:21 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Latency is always that with ePMP on dfs... as far as I can tell it's pretty much the same whether you use flexible or fixed ratio... and ePTP doesn't support dfs last I checked. On Aug 9, 2015 4:41 PM, "George Skorup"

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Well, it's a big deal to me after two or three links. And there's no reason to go licensed on these paths (yet). On 8/9/2015 4:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hmm I never had a problem getting them started. FWIW I'm getting 1-2 ms from my desktop, through my router/eptp/switches at the tower down t

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Not yet. I bet it comes sooner than Ubnt DFS at all :( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 6:21 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Latency is always that with ePMP on dfs... as far as I can tell it's > pretty much the same whet

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Latency is always that with ePMP on dfs... as far as I can tell it's pretty much the same whether you use flexible or fixed ratio... and ePTP doesn't support dfs last I checked. On Aug 9, 2015 4:41 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > OK so back to ePMP PTP. I had to put up a 500' link between two grain

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Thats where I see it too Even with mikrotik On 8/9/2015 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Lot more bandwidth? I don't think so... If there is noise I'm almost certain the epmp would win. Look at my first case with them - Ubnt couldn't exceed 5 megs aggregate where epmp gets me 50+ in the same

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Hmm I never had a problem getting them started. FWIW I'm getting 1-2 ms from my desktop, through my router/eptp/switches at the tower down to our BMU. I also don't think 20ms is that big a deal for most customers. If they get say 60ms from their machine to most anything in a datacenter they shou

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Yes. Ran out of time and had to get the link back up. Could've been something else stupid I overlooked though. I'll mess with a pair in the office next week. On 8/9/2015 4:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you set the slave to eptp slave? They use different drivers. Josh Luthman Office: 937-55

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Did you set the slave to eptp slave? They use different drivers. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 5:41 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > OK so back to ePMP PTP. I had to put up a 500' link between two grain > legs. Used int

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

OK so back to ePMP PTP. I had to put up a 500' link between two grain legs. Used integrated radios on 2.4.3. I tried ePTP, but they wouldn't link up. Thinking maybe too short? I don't know, so I just switched them to TDD PTP w/ flexible framing instead. Latency is like 15ms. I hate it. I have a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Here's proof that Apple fanboys actuallyadore Android

Here you go: http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/technology/surface-nfl-tablet/index.html From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Here's proof that Apple fanboys actuallyadore Android Hard to bring my desktop to the top of a tower. ;-)

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Too long to scan for a master? If the damn slave isn't associated who cares if it takes 15 minutes to scan? It's a whole lot better than your backhaul being down and you being forced to drive to the slave site. Let's say there's 1 second per frequency at 1000 MHz. That's 1000 seconds or 16.66 m

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Wasn't the reason something along the lines of it taking too long to scan everything because of the 1mhz increments? On Aug 9, 2015 2:21 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > According to the forum post it didn't seem technical... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

According to the forum post it didn't seem technical... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 3:06 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > We don't know the internals nearly as well as him. Maybe there's some > inherit technical reason?

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

We don't know the internals nearly as well as him. Maybe there's some inherit technical reason? *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:59:10 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Maybe it should let you lock out ranges rather than channels. Like X MHz to Y MHz. If any part of the channel would fall in that range, auto could not select it. Similar to how you would lock out the TDWR band, not by channel, but start and end frequency. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, Au

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

It's funny how all of us buying the equipment agree. The only one I've seen defending the feature is Chuck :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 2:38 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > I understand not having an open-ended arra

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Actually yes. That’s one of the features of the Auto-Everything on the Mimosa. But if you don’t want to set a channel, then set a range or multiple ranges. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Yes to the M5 Loco and the Zirkel mount. Antenna performance is excellent, compared to the NanoBridge and NanoBeam which sometimes seem no better than a Loco. And you can use 5150-5250. And cute as a bug. Although I don’t expect U-NII-1 to stay quiet. I see home routers coming by default se

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

I understand not having an open-ended array of channel choices for backups, but... maybe ten? 15? Just do the damn thing automatically to any available space it finds? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Rory Cona

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Then I will have to accept that I like silly and will stick with products with that feature. What good is hundreds of channels if you can only accept 3, especially if the radio is making the choice to find the best channel for you? I know that isn’t the case in noplace Kansas but in the middl

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Because Chuck thinks it is a silly feature. The af5x can do single mhz jumps. This means the master can be in 100s of channels if you know the size. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 2:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > Th

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

My personal favorite is still the Nanostation 5M locos. I get the round dish and why we do it but the size and aesthetics are hard to beat on a house. And instead of using a J-Mount, you can use these. http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Pack-of-Antenna-Mounts-for-Motorola-Cambium-Canopy-and-Ubiquiti-A

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

The one thing I like on the AC-PTP and in fact all the radios, is the ability to select or unselect every single useable channel if the AP is set to auto. That is really a great feature on AirOS. The three channel limit that I have to set manually on the AF5x is annoying. Most of the interfac

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Yep, the price on the AC-PTP is high enough that it makes more sense to me to just go straight to the AF5x at that point. The AC radios do have their place though, in places where they make sense and the lack of UNII1/2 isn't a problem, the NanoBeams and PowerBeams are hard to beat. On Sun, Aug 9,

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

~33%, IIRC is what you COULD achieve. That said, staying with UBNT AF5x isn't that much more than the AC-PTP and is worlds better. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Sunday, Augus

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Agreed, in my limited experience it didn't seem like UBNT AC does as well with noise... and when you only have 5.8ghz to work with, finding a clean channel isn't always exactly easy. And if you don't have enough signal for 256qam, you're not really gaining a whole lot from AC anyhow. On Sun, Aug

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Roughly 5 bits/hz from my experience. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 11:24 AM, "Jon Langeler" wrote: > What's the max PTP speed using 20mhz channel with EPMP? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 9, 2015, at 11:21 AM, J

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

My link is at MCS15 both ways and I get 75-80 MB on the wireless link test. Real world seems to be just a bit less but not bad. I had a customer on the remote end of that link that is on a 5Ghz EPMP omni along with customers on 900 sectors and 2.4 FSK sectors. They upgraded to a 50MB link for a

Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO

You can probably buy everyone else's that they're getting rid of. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:23:40 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

What's the max PTP speed using 20mhz channel with EPMP? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2015, at 11:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Lot more bandwidth? I don't think so... > > If there is noise I'm almost certain the epmp would win. Look at my first > case with them - Ubnt couldn't exceed 5

Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO

On 8/8/15 11:51 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: I think Netonix is way over priced, and it's not yet proven. Still, I just ordered a couple and I'm excited to give them a test run. I'm also interested to see what they have coming for the tower switch advertised on their website. If you're happy w

Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO

Overpriced?? No way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2015 2:51 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" wrote: > I think Netonix is way over priced, and it's not yet proven. Still, I just > ordered a couple and I'm excited to give them

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Lot more bandwidth? I don't think so... If there is noise I'm almost certain the epmp would win. Look at my first case with them - Ubnt couldn't exceed 5 megs aggregate where epmp gets me 50+ in the same frequency and physical spot. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wa

Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO

I agree that it is not yet proven. However, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a DC switch with 12 gig ports for under $400. The comparable Cisco switches that we were planning to move to are $4-6K each. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Brett A Mansfield < li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

So that’s a great question… I’m sure there’s lots of training resources. I dabbled in MPLS for some time in the Cisco world originally with a couple of different platforms that we had sitting around from time to time. When I got much deeper into MPLS was when my employer at the time was movi

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

I do a VPLS instance which has end points at both head end routers. For Biz customers who get their own ospf CPE, it just peers with both. For DHCP, run a DHCP block on each of them with HSRP or eq for both so traffic is balanced but will fall over if one goes down. Haven't figured out how

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

Or ISIS as a routing protocol … not sure though how common that is though in smaller networks – I only run across it typically in medium to large networks.. OSPF is definitely more popular but ISIS has some very specific ISIS TLV types that can be utilized in corner cases… From: Af [mailto:a

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

So what is the good place (book, website) to understand MPLS? Tushar > On Aug 9, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: > > If you’re looking at using “any routing protocol” then make sure you > understand the differences between routing protocols and how that applies to > MPLS. > > From:

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

If you’re looking at using “any routing protocol” then make sure you understand the differences between routing protocols and how that applies to MPLS. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFM

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

PowerBeam AC looks like a nice product if 5150-5250 is ever unlocked and EIRP limits are revealed. SOON! From: Craig House Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all? Never used microtik radios so lack of experience there. As

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Never used microtik radios so lack of experience there. As far as UBNT AC they were not available when we did this link and I got the link as a door prize at AF. Also I have tried AC links and I don't see substantially more bandwidth in real tcp throughput on them vs eptp I think we got 115

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

5150 - 5350, 5475 - 5725? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:08:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all? What is the appeal o

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

What is the appeal of using ePTP vs. a Mikrotik (or UBNT) AC product with a lot more BW in the same channel size? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 6:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO

They argue with better components. Esp the switching core is more business grade. This comes into play when you use links with low buffer memory like saf lumina. They work great for us. Esp the mini is a great device. One cable run up the tower to power 5 devices. We have mimosa, integra,

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

To be precise mpls needs routing working. You can do any routing protocol or even static routing. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Mike Hammett Datum: 09.08.2015 05:02 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist