Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Credence had its own sound man, I mean, you could take the band mates solos and offshoots as similar, but really, there is no one else like them.. oh, wait, nevermind On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > For reference, who else is out there like CCR? > >

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
For reference, who else is out there like CCR? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Joe Falaschi" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:37:51 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I just want my hands on ticket stubs, or better yet, unused tickets. Can you imagine how much those will be worth in 20 years On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Shutout Mike... What a pitch > > On Oct 28, 2016 5:51 PM, "Bill Prince"

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Lewis Bergman
Bummer On Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 10:43 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Shutout Mike... What a pitch > > On Oct 28, 2016 5:51 PM, "Bill Prince" wrote: > > I may be biased, but I always have a good time when we go up to watch the > (SF) baseball Giants.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
Shutout Mike... What a pitch On Oct 28, 2016 5:51 PM, "Bill Prince" wrote: > I may be biased, but I always have a good time when we go up to watch the > (SF) baseball Giants. Decent tickets are not too expensive, and it's a > great family outing. Plus the ballpark is

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Adam Moffett
I think the reality is somewhere in between what your boss and Joe are saying. I'm sure it varies somewhat by state too. As a /de minimus/ VoIP provider you don't have too many obligations. USF, Sales Tax, and some forms you file quarterly. You just keep the USF money if your contribution

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

2016-10-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Ken, I bought that camera for $399 all summer during a special from DWGDistributing.com Their retail price listed on the website is misleading, if you setup an account with them you can expect to pay half what the listed price on the website is. Also there was a guy on ebay selling those cameras

[AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-28 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Looks sweet. I hope it doesn't cost more than the house. Get Outlook for iOS

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Would you mind elaborating on that in a manner I can relay verbatim to my boss. He doesn't think voice would be a big deal cause we are little, he doesn't understand why I dismiss anything he talks about when it comes to us doing any voice at all On Oct 28, 2016 5:34 PM, "Joe Falaschi"

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

2016-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
Kurt, where are you finding that camera for $400 to $600? Also, anything special for mounting it to the tower? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras Paul, I

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
For those not in our area... {S welcome The receive beam forming wouldn't help (other than mitigating some of the interference), but it does have active out of channel filtering like the airPrism, so that should help as well. Not significantly, mind you, but some. - Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Bill Prince
I may be biased, but I always have a good time when we go up to watch the (SF) baseball Giants. Decent tickets are not too expensive, and it's a great family outing. Plus the ballpark is beautiful with lots of great views of San Francisco Bay. bp On 10/28/2016

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

2016-10-28 Thread Paul Stewart
Most IDS systems have logs that you could search through and find the look up … should give you a clue … is that what you’re asking? > On Oct 28, 2016, at 7:28 PM, David Milholen wrote: > > Ok, > I have some happy IDS components that seem to stopping google dns from >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Chuck McCown
A bit boring on TV for sure. But nice pace at the ballpark if you are there with friends. Sit, visit, eat, watch a play now and then. Better than fishing I think. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 5:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs I had tickets to take my

[AFMUG] google dns

2016-10-28 Thread David Milholen
Ok, I have some happy IDS components that seem to stopping google dns from completing a lookup to our website. How can I find out what ips are being blocked from making the trip? I am not sure a traceroute is going to do it. I dont have an issue getting to google. google-dns is having an

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
I had tickets to take my son to a baseball game that got cancelled during the MLB strike around 20 years ago. Baseball has been dead to me ever since. (Not that it’s much of a spectator sport anyway, marginally better than golf, a step less exciting than curling.) From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread George Skorup
I know. I don't even care for baseball. I just like to piss off the northsiders. On 10/28/2016 5:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: *YOU* suck. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
The regulatory stuff is mainly just a pain in the butt, $30K/yr sounds high to justify filling out some forms and paying some fees. But it’s one thing to provide residential voice, it’s another to provide a full featured business PBX service with a slick web interface and to support it with

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Rooftops probably cost just as much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 5:28:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
*YOU* suck. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 5:23:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Maybe I don't think it's that bad because it's been added incrementally for me. I've been doing voice since 2003, so a year longer than my WISP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Joe

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Joe Falaschi
The technical aspect of providing voice isn’t difficult. The regulatory aspect of voice is no joke though. I wouldn’t do it unless I thought I could do at least 30k/year in voice revenue, or related Internet service deals lost because I didn’t offer it. Joe > On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman
That ain't no Cubs tickets Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2016 6:28 PM, wrote: > You are cool with a lawn chair on a nearby roof, right? > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 4:27

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
Pretty funny, WGN radio sent their 2 staff millennials who both live at home with their parents out to Cleveland to cover the games. They keep asking “are the kids OK?” Anyway, the kids report no price gouging in Cleveland, and that many Cubs fans are flying to Cleveland to watch because they

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
You are cool with a lawn chair on a nearby roof, right? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 4:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs Send me those tickets first and we'll see what happens =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Send me those tickets first and we'll see what happens =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:25 PM, wrote: > Hmmm, tempting, first class airfare. > Suite at the Peninsula Hotel... > > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
Hmmm, tempting, first class airfare. Suite at the Peninsula Hotel... From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 4:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs I'll buy your airline tickets + hotel if you buy us tickets. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Bill Prince
i heard much higher. First game was around $3000, 2nd, 3rd and so on went up from there. One hundred and eight years. Man o man. bp On 10/28/2016 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Tickets are like a grand... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread George Skorup
Cubs suck. On 10/28/2016 5:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Pretty cool if they can sweep the next three and win at home. Wish I lived close enough to (relatively cheaply) go to one of the games.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman
I'll buy your airline tickets + hotel if you buy us tickets. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:11 PM, wrote: > Yeah, don’t want spend another $500+ for airline tickets plus hotel. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Joe Falaschi
Having a voice solution definitely helps - it is the reason we started offering voice. It helps us close more of the sub $200/mo best effort accounts. With the larger DIA circuits, the companies generally have an internal IT department, not managed service provider, and the voice solution is

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
Yeah, don’t want spend another $500+ for airline tickets plus hotel. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 4:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs Tickets are like a grand... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Nate Burke
(relatively cheaply) I think the news is reporting >$2k a ticket for standing room. Bars around Wrigleyville were charging $250/person cover when it wasn't even a home game. On 10/28/2016 5:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Pretty cool if they can sweep the next three and win at home. Wish I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Tickets are like a grand... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:07 PM, wrote: > Pretty cool if they can sweep the next three and win at home. Wish I > lived close enough to (relatively

[AFMUG] OT Cubs

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
Pretty cool if they can sweep the next three and win at home. Wish I lived close enough to (relatively cheaply) go to one of the games.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
While I totally agree that Qwest and Comcast were never going to ride Utopia, I debated Pete Ashdown on KUER about this very issue. He was constantly claiming that if you build it they will come. He tried to liken Utopia to the airports. We only need one and if everyone uses it then it

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread Roger Timmerman
As far as the first bond, the cities are covering it for now. We could be contributing some of our net revenue to decrease the burden, but because the system is only completely built in all of the cities, we are investing that money towards the completion of the project. When the project is

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread Roger Timmerman
A couple of comments below from my perspective... -Roger On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:17 PM, wrote: > Chuck wrote: > > They honestly expected Qwest and Comcast to ride their network. > What alternate reality do these people live in? > *That was never likely to happen because

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread Bill Prince
Excellent point. If you have a big sector, you won't be able to distinguish where the noise is coming from. If you have beam steering, you may be able to block out different frequencies in different directions. The real trick would be the ability to use frequency A in sub-sector A, and

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, true... it certainly wouldn't hurt. Also, if all of the noise isn't actually coming from the same location, you could potentially find a clean channel using beam steering. On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:02 PM, George Skorup wrote: > BUT... the filter in the ePMP2000 may help

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread George Skorup
BUT... the filter in the ePMP2000 may help you find a clean enough slice of spectrum to make the customer work. On 10/28/2016 3:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote: Ok, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some sort of RF Magic contained within the EPMP2000. On 10/28/2016 3:42 PM, Mathew Howard

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread Nate Burke
Ok, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some sort of RF Magic contained within the EPMP2000. On 10/28/2016 3:42 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Yep... if the interference wasn't in the same direction as the customer, beam steering would help you, but I don't see that it'd do much in this

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread Mathew Howard
Yep... if the interference wasn't in the same direction as the customer, beam steering would help you, but I don't see that it'd do much in this case. On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 3:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > a blind AP is a blind AP no matter how you cut it,

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
From: fiber...@mail.com by government. Arguably water and sewer. I have lived in cities with two power companies. But all the rest should be done by commercial providers. Why do you draw the line at the utilities and the infrastructure you listed? What makes them so special? Duplication

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread Bill Prince
Whoops. Missed that important detail. A -50 dBm noise floor is pretty much a impossible situation. bp On 10/28/2016 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: a blind AP is a blind AP no matter how you cut it, if the interference is coming in from the same direction

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
a blind AP is a blind AP no matter how you cut it, if the interference is coming in from the same direction as the sm, not alot you can do. with -50 floor that sector is effectively not there. can you go lower with the sector and hope ground clutter will mitigate the campus interference to a point

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread fiberrun
Chuck wrote: > They honestly expected Qwest and Comcast to ride their network. What alternate reality do these people live in? > I personally am philosophically opposed to governments providing goods or > services that private companies can do. Obviously streets are better done > by

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
I was wondering the same thing. I am guessing the cities are eating it. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 2:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Thank you Roger for that detailed write up. What happened to the first

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread Bill Prince
The cities don't actually eat it. They absorb it, and the citizens eat it (one way or the other). TANSTAFL bp On 10/28/2016 1:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I was wondering the same thing. I am guessing the cities are eating it. -Original Message-

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread Bill Prince
If the interference is on the subscriber end, it should affect the downstream traffic. Interference on the AP side (which you don't seem to be having) would affect he upstream. Something else is going on. bp On 10/28/2016 1:02 PM, Nate Burke wrote: So the

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread fiberrun
Thank you Roger for that detailed write up. What happened to the first phase bond? Jared     Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 at 8:37 PM From: "Roger Timmerman" To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Most of what Chuck says is true about the first phase of

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
bbdne has gel and crummy coated shield, bbdge has copper clad and paste, the paste doesnt run, bbdne killed alot of power supplies on our network, turns out running cable designed to be horizontally in a vertical run is bad On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Josh Luthman

[AFMUG] Theoretical EPMP2000 Question

2016-10-28 Thread Nate Burke
So the EPMP2000 with beam steering on the upstream side. If you have a customer that is in line with the source of the Interference, they're still hosed right? The AP still wont' be able to hear them over the noise. I have a EPMP sector with a single customer on it and the AP is running

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Lol I think that's the cable with issues... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2016 3:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > bbdge - no more headaches > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:23 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
bbdge - no more headaches On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:23 PM, wrote: > Rev C are currently in production with Rev D within a month. > Rev C has the improved RF interference bypass and the POE sync glitch > absorber. > > The Rev D is a mechanical change only. 100% surface mount. >

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
Rev C are currently in production with Rev D within a month. Rev C has the improved RF interference bypass and the POE sync glitch absorber. The Rev D is a mechanical change only. 100% surface mount. If you think one of our surge suppressors is possibly suspect in any link issues, we will

Re: [AFMUG] Lot of NEW Telrad

2016-10-28 Thread Bill Prince
I don't sign in to facebook. Hard rule. Sorry. bp On 10/28/2016 12:20 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Lot of CPEs, base station, SIMS, antennas, all Telrad up for auction.

Re: [AFMUG] Lot of NEW Telrad

2016-10-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
no facebooking for me Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Lot of CPEs, base station, SIMS, antennas, all Telrad up for auction. > > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/1098747466802644/ >

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
We use that one pretty much on all our SCADA projects.Holds up and we have no leakage issues... Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Using cable with dry gel tape (like Shireen DC-1042), instead

[AFMUG] Lot of NEW Telrad

2016-10-28 Thread Dennis Burgess
Lot of CPEs, base station, SIMS, antennas, all Telrad up for auction. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1098747466802644/permalink/1343901302287258/?sale_post_id=1343901302287258 Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant MikroTik Certified

[AFMUG] For Sale

2016-10-28 Thread Yent, Timothy M
I still have the following for sale. All reasonable offers will be accepted. Buyer responsible for shipping costs. 41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish 1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440 1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass You can view product specifications at

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread Mathew Howard
Using cable with dry gel tape (like Shireen DC-1042), instead of cable with gel, so you don't have goo leaking out all over the place gumming up the works. On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > What is it you're talking about? Maybe we're talking

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman
What is it you're talking about? Maybe we're talking about two different things. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > That's another excellent argument for

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread Mathew Howard
That's another excellent argument for dry gel tape... On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > The issue was actually the gel in the cable, I think. Wiped it clean and > squeezed some out. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct:

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman
The issue was actually the gel in the cable, I think. Wiped it clean and squeezed some out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 3:01 PM, George Skorup wrote: > 9 times out of 10 it's water

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread George Skorup
9 times out of 10 it's water in the cable. Hopefully you get to it before it ends up all the way to the bottom and into the SS. Been through this way too many times. Never without dry gel tape cable ever again. On 10/28/2016 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Looks like the issue was the

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

2016-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Looks like the issue was the cable...of course... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > All of mine are A.1 in the office. The truck is almost

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
It certainly makes sense. It isn't overly difficult to do, either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
I always figured the chamber was filled with: 1) Insurance salesmen 2) Real estate agents 3) Local politicians 4) Bureaucrats looking for a free lunch and and excuse to not work 5) Sales, Marketing and HR people looking for a free lunch and an excuse to not work From: Lewis Bergman

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
*nods* I've picked up three CCR type deals in the past month. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Joe Falaschi" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Lewis Bergman
I don't know if Joe would agree but I would. I don't think you have to offer it but it sure works better with it. I thought when we started selling VoIP we would get a bunch of VoIP customers from our ISP. Actually we got a bunch of new ISP customers from our new VoIP business. Customers that

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
Joe, would you agree that you must have a killer hosted PBX product in your portfolio if you’re going to target businesses? I find many small businesses want phone and Internet bundled, in fact saving money on phone service or replacing an outdated phone system may actually be what

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Lewis Bergman
In my opinion, the only reason to go to one of those Chamber events is to look for sales people to hire since that is all that go to them. I think that might be what someone was suggesting when they mentioned it. If you are a one man shop I would definitely consider 1099 them just for simplicity

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Joe Falaschi
Two other things: You/someone should figure out your buyer personas. For us we sell very little Internet Service to retail organizations - especially directly. They all seem to have corporate policies and decisions. The vast majority of our retail sales come in via the CCRs of the world.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread Roger Timmerman
Most of what Chuck says is true about the first phase of UTOPIA. It was a disaster. Some of it was their fault, some of it wasn't. For example, AT was actually the first service provider on UTOPIA and had an initial exclusivity period. One day the higher-ups at AT decided to abandon that part

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

2016-10-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
No.. No lights at all. I will go by later and check On Oct 28, 2016 10:54 AM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > One lights on... They checked this morning > > On Oct 28, 2016 10:22 AM, "Chris Wright" wrote: > >> Looks like IR light reflecting off a

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Joe Falaschi
Others have already given you some good points. Getting partners in any definition of the term, IT consultants, building managers, PBX installers, etc is probably a good intermediate step. If you get to the point where you need an employee to be on the payroll, I think you’re going to need to

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

2016-10-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
One lights on... They checked this morning On Oct 28, 2016 10:22 AM, "Chris Wright" wrote: > Looks like IR light reflecting off a table leg. > > > > Chris Wright > > Network Administrator > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
It is all armchair quarterbacking at this point. It went wrong at its inception. A guy named Arthur Brady with Telecom Choices played the part of Harold Hill in the Music Man. He got paid for the band instruments and blew out of town. So, the cities were sold a bill of goods in my opinion.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread chuck
Well, the mayor and city council said it didn’t work so well. This was 4 years ago or so. I was there multiple times by invitation. From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Not sure why anyone would say the

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

2016-10-28 Thread Chris Wright
Looks like IR light reflecting off a table leg. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:07 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras These two snapshots I just took on my phone through

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
You might just have to accept that an ant can't move a rubber tree plant. Before getting into wireless, my ISP sold T1 and ISDN to small businesses primarily in office parks. Like you, I came up via the technical side, and am not a born salesman. I tried direct sales, and had no success until

Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP

2016-10-28 Thread Jon Langeler
It seems anti-Cambium not to have that sync work 100%. And anything less than 100% these days and the customers will notice. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Matt wrote: >> Not 100% impossible. It's worked for us if the

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
So far, it looks like storeedgefd.dsx.mp.microsoft.com is a good one to work with. I know that it stops the store from loading, but I'm not yet sure if it stops the store from updating. Hopefully it doesn't update via other methods. -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
One man show. :-) -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 09:55:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales

Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP

2016-10-28 Thread Matt
> Not 100% impossible. It's worked for us if the master PTP450 is co-located > with the PMP450 APs. We set the DL % to the same (we're using 65% DL where > we're doing this). > > The big problem is the auto-ranging that the PTP450 does, and there's not > much you can do about it. Once it's synced

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I got dibs on the Grand Canyon

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I dont like art, but I would have been inclined to pummel that guy On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > While walking through the Louvre I saw some dickhead putting his grubby > little hands all over some large African art. I scolded the little

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
you also might look a little closer to home, do you have an exceptional tech who is aware of the operation, and driven? you might already have what youre looking for in house, you might lose a solid tech, but customers love sales folks who actually know what theyre talking about On Fri, Oct 28,

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
our partner company got one of the sales guys from on of the vendors to come over to him, if you can snatch up a vendor rep (a good rep) youll be golden On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > What's the best way to get a B2B sales guy? That's the overall point,

Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP

2016-10-28 Thread Bill Prince
Not 100% impossible. It's worked for us if the master PTP450 is co-located with the PMP450 APs. We set the DL % to the same (we're using 65% DL where we're doing this). The big problem is the auto-ranging that the PTP450 does, and there's not much you can do about it. Once it's synced up, if

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, That is correct... all the providers bring their connections into the main NOC for the city (brand new facility). So you have to get transport there, but then you are billing the customer directly for whatever services they want from you. It looks like 100Mbps residential will be around

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Either approach. Sometimes the management company wants to be involved, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the anchor stores are owned separately from the rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread Mike Hammett
It sounds like that $20 you bring in is yours for support and upstream, the rest is between the city and the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser"

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Lewis Bergman
I think that is a great idea Ken. On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 8:50 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Mike, you could try attending the Chamber of Commerce meetings, but > that’s a long term approach, won’t reach a lot of the potential customers, > and assumes the owner is a born salesperson

Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP

2016-10-28 Thread Jon Langeler
We do. Just thought I would try PTP in a small instance Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > > Why no use a 900 ap and sm? > > Gino A. Villarini > @gvillarini > > > > > > Gino Villarini > > President >

Re: [AFMUG] New Network from Ground Up - How Would You Address It?

2016-10-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Create a $99.95/month "Gamer" package and tell the gamers that complain that to fix their NAT they need to upgrade to the gamer package and then put them on a public IP once they go to that package. On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Jesse DuPont wrote: > That's

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

2016-10-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
That camera I posted is PTZ over the POE and also has a heater so the lens doesn't fog up. Draws about 15-20 watts on the POE. On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 7:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > One of my tower owners has been playing with this camera - > >

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

2016-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
Mike, you could try attending the Chamber of Commerce meetings, but that’s a long term approach, won’t reach a lot of the potential customers, and assumes the owner is a born salesperson which you say you aren’t. I’d take the approach of paying commissions to someone who is already in your

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

2016-10-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Can a WISP like us even compete in the city of Ammon? I assume that this fiber all goes to some sort of Central Office building and any carrier that wants to come into town can then run a line into this building and sell on the FTTH plant. So in reality the only providers that can compete is

Re: [AFMUG] IPV6 deploymernt

2016-10-28 Thread Lewis Bergman
It appears S3 doesn't not support V6 while Route53, the DNS does. So..kind of getting there. On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 8:05 AM Dennis Burgess wrote: > yes > > > > > > *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant * > > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant

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