Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

I wonder how these are: http://www.coriant.com/products/documents/DS_8602_Smart_Router_74C0007.pdf On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Jon Auer wrote: > Roughly 4k more or less depending on partner level, greed, and juni's > need. > > It doesn't make sense everywhere, but if you add parts up, $2k cabin

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Roughly 4k more or less depending on partner level, greed, and juni's need. It doesn't make sense everywhere, but if you add parts up, $2k cabinet, $1k CTM/CMM, $1k switch, etc it can be cheaper (not just simpler). Realistically I'd probably use the non-outdoor version and add to existing cabinets

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

How much are those? On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Jon Auer wrote: > E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP, > and you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone > switch, etc.

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

6, 2015 1:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Matt, cambium plan EOL PMP450 AP Full ? 2015-07-15 21:39 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>: There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i.

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

for some time, > and everyone will get plenty of notice. > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Pavel Lyuty > *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:58 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i > > >

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GHz PMP 450, but not for some time, and everyone will get plenty of notice. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Pavel Lyuty Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Matt, cambium plan EOL PMP450 AP Full ? 2015-07-15 21:39 GMT

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

nesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i > > > > Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's? What does it > cost? > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis < &g

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Since you're doing 802.3at, any chance of adding IEEE 1588 support for standardized timing over ethernet? There are a number of switch/router platforms designed for small cell environments that do both and we could greatly simplify our tower builds

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

a different pinout. > > > > These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. > > > > PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan > *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Matt, YES! PLEASE! Lots of interest in this idea! Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Manager Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i If I were to say that there

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.. > > *From:* Matt Mangriotis > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:21 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i > > > Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. > > > > There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: > > >

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15, 2015 4:21 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i > > > Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. > > > > There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: > > > > 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) > > 1 port i

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

2015 4:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) 1 port is AUX, which has (or will have) many functions, among t

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

I feel sorry for Forrest From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) 1

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Timing on the power port? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

ent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell al

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Timing on the power port? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.m

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Timing on the power port? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

> Good questions. > > Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a > RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. Hopefully a sync pipe can be powered by this port? > For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, > you’ll need the 56 VDC power

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It

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o:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

m] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i > > > > Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of > each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

questions about it here, or on our forum site also: > > > > http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 > > > > Matt > > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesd

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:32:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Same here on self install. I tried it 4 times that I recall. One did everything right, one did everything wrong and needed lots of help, one did everything ok except he didn't plug in the PoE cor

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We’re employing what we’re calling Dynamic Interference Filtering in this platform… this is actually circuitry that “wraps around” the selected operating channel, effectively isolation noi

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tegrated 19 dBi flat > panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM > PCB). > > Matt > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d

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PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i That would help our Self-Install customers a lot. If it ends up to be much more expensive than SM + $60 reflector dish, it may not be desirable. Cost is a big motivator. On 7/15/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

ailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We’re employing what we’re calling Dynamic Interference Filtering in this platform… this

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

p://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Matt" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i > The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was > resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

> The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was > resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted > some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say > 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to >that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Would like to see more information about the 450i interference mitigation advances over the 450.. and PPS/Throughput improvements over the 450. Peter Kranz

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

. From: Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i That would help our Self-Install customers a lot. If it ends up to be much more expensive than SM + $60 reflector dish, it may not be desirable. Cost is a big motivator. On 7/15

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

). Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Would like to see more information about the 450i interference mitigation advances over the 450.. and PPS/Throughput improvements over the 450. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwi

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

15 1:44:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive,

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

antennas, increased transmit power and better Rx sensitivity! Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Does the Multifunction AUX port mean that the alignment tone is gone? The

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's? What does it cost? On Wed, Ju

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

ow, but it might take some time. I would expect deliveries to start mid-August. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:49 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Thanks Matt. When can we expect our vendo

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

p://www.midwest-ix.com <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> *From: *"Adam Moffett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent:

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om:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i > > > > Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of > each others' advancements?

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Production ramp up is occurring now, but it might take some time. I would expect deliveries to start mid-August. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Thanks Matt

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OK, I should have stopped reading at “450 Platform Key Features”. From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Ken – The press release says that the PMP 450 platform supports 3.65 GHz… is that what you’re referring to

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Thanks Matt. When can we expect our vendors to have stock of these? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The download site is busted (again

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af@afmug.com>> Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Press release says it includes 3.65 GHz, I wonder what is the FCC approval status on that? Given that band is kind of in regulatory limbo now until the new rules and spectrum access database get worked out. From: Matt<mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Yep broken for me also. It is such crap having to fill in a form to read a spec sheet. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:25 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i And I can't read the spec's because the captcha

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mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands? 900 MHZ? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis <mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets.

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

//community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AF

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands? 900 MHZ? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

m] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i > > > > Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of > each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular

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dwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> *From: *"Adam Moffett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wou

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://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out

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] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i i

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iotis" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions t

[AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computin