Re: [AFMUG] Small ePMP AP

Yep From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 6:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small ePMP AP 2GHz to light? On 4/15/2016 2:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: At any frequency. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re

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2GHz to light? On 4/15/2016 2:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: At any frequency. *From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> *Sent:* Friday, April 15, 2016 12:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small ePMP AP At 100 GHz? Josh Luthman Off

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At any frequency. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small ePMP AP At 100 GHz? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:24 PM, wrote: Open

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:47 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small ePMP AP > > I like the horn design because they're very clean as far as antenna > coverage goes, and they're also good for covering both close in customers > as well as several miles out. Much better than a stan

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Open waveguides have about 10 dB gain and about a 50 degree pattern. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small ePMP AP I like the horn design because they're very clean as far as antenna coverage goes, and they're als

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They're great for 802.11ac style micropops Good vertical coverage though, much better than a sector. Clean beamwidth / edges. On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > It's another option anyway =) > > I'm kind of liking the horn antenna, but the gain is low. A 90* is only > 10dbi

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It's another option anyway =) I'm kind of liking the horn antenna, but the gain is low. A 90* is only 10dbi but a 40* is 16dbi. Or the 50* at 14dbi. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Jeremy wrote:

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Nevermind, I missed the "short of buying a connectorized AP" part. Also, these are small in physical size, but not so much in beamwidth. On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Jeremy wrote: > AM-M-V5G-TI > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Gino Villarini > wrote: > >> ebay is your friend >> >> On

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AM-M-V5G-TI On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > ebay is your friend > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Gino Villarini > wrote: > >> blessed that you can use 40 mhz... >> >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Adam Moffett >> wrote: >> >>> Those only have 100mbps ethernet,

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ebay is your friend On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > blessed that you can use 40 mhz... > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote: > >> Those only have 100mbps ethernet, correct? On a 40mhz channel they can >> do 180mbps+ aggregate which is why I've be

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blessed that you can use 40 mhz... On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Those only have 100mbps ethernet, correct? On a 40mhz channel they can do > 180mbps+ aggregate which is why I've been using the Force110 for the little > sites. > > > > On 4/15/2016 11:04 AM, Gino Villari

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Those only have 100mbps ethernet, correct? On a 40mhz channel they can do 180mbps+ aggregate which is why I've been using the Force110 for the little sites. On 4/15/2016 11:04 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: If you dont need gps syc, just do a Epmp 1000 integrated... On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:43

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Cause they're EOL bro =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > If you dont need gps syc, just do a Epmp 1000 integrated... > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Josh Luthman < > j

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If you dont need gps syc, just do a Epmp 1000 integrated... On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Force 180. It's more gain, very narrow azimuth (great for a CPE). It's > the same thing turned 90*. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne

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Force 180. It's more gain, very narrow azimuth (great for a CPE). It's the same thing turned 90*. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Brian Sullivan wrote: > I guess I fell asleep at the ePMP wheel,

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I guess I fell asleep at the ePMP wheel, why would they EOL these? On 4/14/2016 5:30 PM, George Skorup wrote: We bought a bunch of integrated 5GHz radios and keep them in a safe place for this very reason. On 4/14/2016 5:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for a small AP a

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That's actually a perfect fit for it here. Didn't think I'd ever use those :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 15, 2016 6:59 AM, "Josh Baird" wrote: > Yeah - why aren't you considering the RF Elements horns, Josh L? > > On Apr

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Yeah - why aren't you considering the RF Elements horns, Josh L? > On Apr 15, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > No, no, no. It's a twistport adapter. They make them for all the main > manufacturers. UBNT, epmp, etc. > > Radio slides up in the adapter, then it's waveguide into the hor

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What would happen if you used an antenna with a wider spread? Mathew Howard wrote: You didn't specify that it had to be a good antenna :P I don't know if anybody else makes panels that small... and anything bigger seems to be too narrow of a beam. This RF elements thingy would almost work, bu

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Oh, I didn't mean that... I know that would work with an ePMP... I meant the box thingy I linked. On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > No, no, no. It's a twistport adapter. They make them for all the main > manufacturers. UBNT, epmp, etc. > > Radio slides up in the adapter, t

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You didn't specify that it had to be a good antenna :P I don't know if anybody else makes panels that small... and anything bigger seems to be too narrow of a beam. This RF elements thingy would almost work, but I'm pretty sure an ePMP wouldn't fit inside it... I guess you could maybe get some lon

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ANYTHING besides ITelite. I would prefer scrap metal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 14, 2016 11:23 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/5-GHz-80211a-Triband//PAT5016DP.html > > I can't think of any oth

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http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/5-GHz-80211a-Triband//PAT5016DP.html I can't think of any others that small off hand. On Apr 14, 2016 10:00 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Any ideas on panels? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373

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Any ideas on panels? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 14, 2016 10:17 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Yeah, but for this application, does it really matter? > > I would have to say the horn antenna is probably going to work and loo

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Yeah, but for this application, does it really matter? I would have to say the horn antenna is probably going to work and look the best, but if you just want the cheapest thing that will do the job... then it's going to be either a panel or a little sector. On Apr 14, 2016 9:07 PM, "Josh Reynolds

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Panels are such crap antenna designs though. So sloppy. On Apr 14, 2016 9:06 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > wouldn't it be more practical to just use one dual polarity panel? > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Why? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct:

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wouldn't it be more practical to just use one dual polarity panel? On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Why? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Apr 14, 2016 9:28 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote: > >> Dumb i

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I am so confused by this thread On Apr 14, 2016 9:02 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > You're by no means wrong, it's just a different preference :) > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Apr 14, 2016 9:52 PM, "Jaime Solorza" >

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You're by no means wrong, it's just a different preference :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 14, 2016 9:52 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Stop correcting me...I am sensitivebuy a 45 degree sector > On Apr 14, 2016 7:43

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Stop correcting me...I am sensitivebuy a 45 degree sector On Apr 14, 2016 7:43 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > I'm using epmp radios, the question is antenna... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Apr 14, 2016 9:30

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I'm using epmp radios, the question is antenna... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 14, 2016 9:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Edimax has low cost AP supposed to be smallest out there > On Apr 14, 2016 7:13 PM, "Josh Luthman" >

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Edimax has low cost AP supposed to be smallest out there On Apr 14, 2016 7:13 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Hey if you have ideas throw them out ;) > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Apr 14, 2016 8:22 PM, "Joshaven Maili

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Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 14, 2016 9:28 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote: > Dumb idea. How about two, 45 degree, single pole panels? > > On April 14, 2016 8:13:34 PM CDT, Josh Luthman < > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

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Dumb idea. How about two, 45 degree, single pole panels? On April 14, 2016 8:13:34 PM CDT, Josh Luthman wrote: >Hey if you have ideas throw them out ;) > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Troy, OH 45373 >On Apr 14, 2016 8:22 PM, "Joshaven Mai

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Hey if you have ideas throw them out ;) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 14, 2016 8:22 PM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" wrote: > Any H&V antenna no? > > > Sincerely, > Joshaven Potter > Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co > Cell &

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Any H&V antenna no? Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com > On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Does anyone have a suggestion for a small AP antenna? Previously with Ubnt > we would do an NSM5. This

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Uh, RF Elements Horn antenna? On Apr 14, 2016 5:28 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion for a small AP antenna? Previously with > Ubnt we would do an NSM5. This would give us 45*. The use case is just to > service a few homes around the corner from the trees. > > The origi

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Buy the smallest, cheapest sector you can find, and use it with a non-GPS connectorized radio? Something like this would probably work fairly well... of course you'd need an ePMP pole mount kit too. https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=MTAS-5G-15D120&eq=&Tp=&o1=0 On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 5

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One for $5k. Two for $12k. :) On 4/14/2016 5:31 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Great so you're controlling the black market on integrated units =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 6:30 PM, George Skorup

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Great so you're controlling the black market on integrated units =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 6:30 PM, George Skorup wrote: > We bought a bunch of integrated 5GHz radios and keep them in a safe place >

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We bought a bunch of integrated 5GHz radios and keep them in a safe place for this very reason. On 4/14/2016 5:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for a small AP antenna? Previously with Ubnt we would do an NSM5. This would give us 45*. The use case is just to service a

[AFMUG] Small ePMP AP

Does anyone have a suggestion for a small AP antenna? Previously with Ubnt we would do an NSM5. This would give us 45*. The use case is just to service a few homes around the corner from the trees. The original integrated radios are 30* but they're EOLed and the Force 180 are only 15* azimuth.