Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Rory Conaway
. 10MHz Channels with 64QAM is nothing I want to invest more money (we’ve Purewave Wimax running and dont do more installs). From: Stefan Englhardt<mailto:s...@genias.net> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 1:52 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Stefan Englhardt
Channels with 64QAM is nothing I want to invest more money (we’ve Purewave Wimax running and dont do more installs). From: Stefan Englhardt <mailto:s...@genias.net> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 1:52 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telra

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
ski > *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 2:17 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? > > > We crafted our packages and are selling the following on the platform > http://www.silowireless.com/internet-packages/residential/nextpath-packages/ >

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Ken Hohhof
H, and 1 CAD = 0.72 USD. So those are actually pretty attractive prices. From: Andreas Wiatowski Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? We crafted our packages and are selling the following on the platform http

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
let’s say 20 Mbps, and talk like that means we can sell 20 Mbps plans and put 100 subs on each sector. From: Stefan Englhardt<mailto:s...@genias.net> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 1:52 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Yes. T

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Ken Hohhof
20 Mbps, and talk like that means we can sell 20 Mbps plans and put 100 subs on each sector. From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 1:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Yes. This gear has only a chance in regions where there is no other

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Stefan Englhardt
An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? I suppose if you can charge accordingly. People seem to think they should be getting 50mbps for $20 with no install these days though... On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> >

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Jason McKemie
cheap options. > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jason McKemie > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 12. Februar 2016 20:24 > *An:* af@afmug.com > *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? > > > > Given the price it takes to get into a

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Stefan Englhardt
Thought this. But if you need coverage with lower licensed frequencies there are no cheap options. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason McKemie Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Februar 2016 20:24 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Given the

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Jason McKemie
t;> __ >>> >>> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO >>> >>> Silo Wireless Inc. >>> >>> Email andr...@silowireless.com >>> >>> 19 Sage Court >>> >>> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) >>> >

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
l +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free >> +1.866.727.4138 >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com >> *Sent:* February 12, 2016 11:57 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Jason McKemie
, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) > > Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free > +1.866.727.4138 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* February 12, 2016 11:57 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telr

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
+1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: February 12, 2016 11:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Didn’t make the connection between that LTE and the stuff

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
Juniper, Cisco, etc wouldn't like you very much when you call up to TAC with an offbrand SFP :P On Feb 12, 2016 11:56 AM, "Steve D" wrote: > Well, there is nothing to say that it won't "Just Work". We just don't > believe in paying for a support contract where the vendor can say "too bad > so sa

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Steve D
Well, there is nothing to say that it won't "Just Work". We just don't believe in paying for a support contract where the vendor can say "too bad so sad" because we don't have all our eggs in their basket. In this case, because it's standards-based and interoperable, we're going with a vendor tha

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread George Skorup
But I thought it was all standards-based and interoperable. Say it ain't so. On 2/12/2016 11:32 AM, Steve D wrote: The gear and the tech are solid. It's the sales people being sales people that cloud everything. We're waiting on a new core (as we won't be using Telrad's since they have zero d

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Steve D
AM, wrote: > >> Didn’t make the connection between that LTE and the stuff Patrick was >> pushing. So Andreas, does do all that super fantastic NLOS stuff Patrick >> was promising? >> >> *From:* Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 9:52 AM >>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
ilto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? I think that's actually being good at selling. You can sell something by being dishonest about it's capabilities once.. but

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Mathew Howard
Assuming you're selling a product that works... it's not likely to go too well if you're telling everyone the thing you're trying to sell them doesn't work :P On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Simon Westlake wrote: > I think that's actually being good at selling. You can sell something by > bein

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Simon Westlake
I think that's actually being good at selling. You can sell something by being dishonest about it's capabilities once.. but you're not going to be able to do it twice. On 2/12/2016 11:18 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: I guess that's why I suck at sellingI call it as I see it. If it works...

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
I guess that's why I suck at sellingI call it as I see it. If it works... it works.. if it doesn't.. it doesn't I am honest when I test gear they send me. On Feb 12, 2016 10:09 AM, "can...@believewireless.net" < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > I personally called Patrick out on what

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Jason McKemie
I'd expect to hear the same thing soon if Baicells enters the US market. Maybe on Monday? On Friday, February 12, 2016, can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > I personally called Patrick out on what I'm about to say so it's not like > I'm talking behind his back. But I re

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread can...@believewireless.net
I personally called Patrick out on what I'm about to say so it's not like I'm talking behind his back. But I remember when he was, I think, with Alvarion to start and talked about how great their version of Wimax was and how it was FAR superior to everyone else's. Then, he went to Aperto and COMPLE

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Ken Hohhof
Wasn't it the BreezeCompact series of basestations in 3.65 GHz? -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? But was there a specific model? I don't even re

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread chuck
Didn’t make the connection between that LTE and the stuff Patrick was pushing. So Andreas, does do all that super fantastic NLOS stuff Patrick was promising? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Andreas

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
"Ken Hohhof" wrote: > >> Patrick’s Linkedin profile doesn’t seem to mention Telrad, so maybe >> something did change? >> >> >> *From:* Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 10:09 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telra

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
and the stuff Patrick was > pushing. So Andreas, does do all that super fantastic NLOS stuff Patrick > was promising? > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 9:52 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? > > Andreas

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Jason McKemie
I think Chuck is referring to something pre-Telrad. Seems somewhat familiar... On Friday, February 12, 2016, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/12/16 08:35, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >> Remember the days of posting about the works through solid rock product >> he was pitching. Which product was that an

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
e very weird issues just before >>>> Christmas, they sent Guy from Israel on boxing day and we spent a week in >>>> the field diagnosing problems and solving them. Most of the problems were >>>> related to outside interference and on tower interference. This field

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread chuck
But was there a specific model? I don't even remember the frequency, only the claims. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? On 2/12/16 08:35, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Rem

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Ken Hohhof
Andreas from Silo Wireless posted yesterday about their experience with it. I assume that was the Telrad LTE product, evolved from Alvarion WiMAX. From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Remember the

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/12/16 08:35, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Remember the days of posting about the works through solid rock product he was pitching. Which product was that and did the testing ever prove out? Telrad?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Ken Hohhof
I don’t have a Linkedin account, so I only see the public info. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:22 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Actually it shows an end date for telrad, followed by a new job entry which doesn't

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread chuck
Remember the days of posting about the works through solid rock product he was pitching. Which product was that and did the testing ever prove out? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:22 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Stefan Englhardt
refrigerator.gl. Guess he sells even that. Sorry cant resist :) Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Forrest Christian (List Account) Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Februar 2016 17:13 An: af Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Linked in says he's switched

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 10:09 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? > > What was the product he was so hot on a while back? Did it ever pan out? > > *From:* Gino Villarini > *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 8:46 A

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Ken Hohhof
Patrick’s Linkedin profile doesn’t seem to mention Telrad, so maybe something did change? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? What was the product he was so hot on a while back? Did it ever pan out

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
ng day and we spent a week in >>>> the field diagnosing problems and solving them. Most of the problems were >>>> related to outside interference and on tower interference. This field >>>> diagnosing and knowledge level that Guy has in the product defin

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
What was the product he was so hot on a while back? Did it ever pan out? From: Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 8:46 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? i recently sent patrick an email and it bounced... hmmm On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:29 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
a week in >>>> the field diagnosing problems and solving them. Most of the problems were >>>> related to outside interference and on tower interference. This field >>>> diagnosing and knowledge level that Guy has in the product definitely >>>> instille

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
erence and on tower interference. This field >>> diagnosing and knowledge level that Guy has in the product definitely >>> instilled confidence in the product and sealed my faith in the decision I >>> made to move forward with them. >>> >>> >>> >&g

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
has in the product definitely >> instilled confidence in the product and sealed my faith in the decision I >> made to move forward with them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> ______________ >> >> A

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-12 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
16 6:10 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? > > > > who? > > Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:47 PM -0800, "Keefe John" > wro

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Jeremy Grip
+1 Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:10 PM To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? who? Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Lewis Bergman
9.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free > +1.866.727.4138 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* February 11, 2016 4:17 PM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? &

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
ion-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 Original message From: Gino Villarini Date: 2016-02-11 6:10 PM (GMT-05:00) To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? who? Sent from Outlook Mobile<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> On Thu

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Stefan Englhardt
Datum: 11.02.2016 23:46 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? I heard someone is launching something better than Telrad on Monday.  We'll see what it is! On 2/11/2016 4:12 PM, Andreas Wiatowski

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Gino Villarini
+1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: February 11, 2016 4:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
ntford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 Original message From: Keefe John Date: 2016-02-11 5:47 PM (GMT-05:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Chartered to spearhe

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Keefe John
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* February 11, 2016 4:17 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Are you do

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Keefe John
0|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* February 11, 2016 4:17 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: We deploy mainly LO

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Sean Heskett
LTE On Thursday, February 11, 2016, Josh Luthman wrote: > Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote: > >> We deploy mainly

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz. However the telrad equipment > has been amazing at con

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Sean Heskett
We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz. However the telrad equipment has been amazing at connecting clients that are buried in trees. I'm extremely satisfied with the performance of the system...when it works. I added the qualifier of "when it works" because I feel like we've been a bit of a b

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Jaime Solorza
I saw that and left it alone On Feb 11, 2016 11:46 AM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > " On the other hand, I'd rather buy something from Satan than Patrick." > > LOL :) > On Feb 11, 2016 5:46 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > >> That's a little higher than when we first started with canopy but not >> s

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Josh Reynolds
" On the other hand, I'd rather buy something from Satan than Patrick." LOL :) On Feb 11, 2016 5:46 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > That's a little higher than when we first started with canopy but not > significantly so. On the other hand, I'd rather buy something from Satan > than Patrick. > In m

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Ken Hohhof
the web GUI is certainly an improvement, physically it looks similar to Gemtek, I'm not a big fan of the mounting bracket. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? We have 30

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Adam Moffett
al Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? We have 30 BTS's deployed, but all of my experience is with Wimax firmware. I don't really have anything particularly flattering to say, but

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Adam Moffett
We have 30 BTS's deployed, but all of my experience is with Wimax firmware. I don't really have anything particularly flattering to say, but I think most of my complaints are applicable to all wimax products. I hate the CPE's. Gemtek needs a competitor. On 2/11/2016 12:26 AM, TJ Trout wrote

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Lewis Bergman
That's a little higher than when we first started with canopy but not significantly so. On the other hand, I'd rather buy something from Satan than Patrick. In my mind, it comes down to how little you have to baby an installed user. You can afford to pay more for the CPE if you never have to think

[AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-10 Thread TJ Trout
It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking at it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current users, Gino? Etc They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything