[AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 miles of trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference? Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net

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st up >> there to get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFM

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with both 2.4 and 5GHz. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration 200 megs in 10 MHz? AF2x? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct

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What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out? From: Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P I would just try it an

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do flat out? > > *From:* Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration > > > Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos > :P > > I would j

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: 4/22/16 8:27 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration If they want it bad enough, they will pay for the structure to get over it. bp On 4/22/2016 6:32 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I

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:29 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration > > > Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos > :P > > I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with > a pair of PowerBeams (

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That would be much more solid in the tree situation. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or something like that. O

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Tree Penetration That would be much more solid in the tree situation. From: Mathew Howard<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM To: af<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration It's limited to a 20mhz channel

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration That would be much more solid in the tree situation. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration It's limited to a

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McCown > *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration > > > > That would be much more solid in the tree situation. > > > > *From:* Mathew Howard > > *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2

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be my only option to start. Field test time. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM > To: af > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration > > That would be much

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6 9:15 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration Yea, I need the capacity though. 100Mbps isn't going to cut it although it may be my only option to start. Field test time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.

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. Original message From: David Kunat Date: 4/23/16 9:53 AM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration I've done nearLOS (shooting through 110 foot tall DENSE spruce trees (which really suck for nlos) off of the top of a 120

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I just heard a light sabor come on On 4/22/2016 7:49 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 4/22/16 17:40, Rory Conaway wrote: Just curious if brute force might work under a mile. Sure, at some point you could put enough RF power into it to burn a hole through the trees. ~Seth --

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be my only option to start. Field test time. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM *To:* af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration That would be much more solid in the tree situation. *From:*Mat

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y be my only option to start. Field test time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration That would be much more solid in the tree situation. From: Mathew

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I never had good luck with any kind of trees at that frequency. I would kinda work but not well. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes

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Like 0? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 > miles of trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference? > > > > *R

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Just curious if brute force might work under a mile. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration I never had good luck with any kind of trees at

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200 aggregate or 200 full duplex? I'd say it depends on channel size and how high you can get the dishes. Are these at the base of the trees or somewhat higher? On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 > miles o

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, April 22, 2016 5:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration > > > > I never had good luck with any kind of trees at that frequency. I would > kinda work but not well. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* F

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Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck? I am make a rig for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe 15 ft higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal property S

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On 4/22/16 17:40, Rory Conaway wrote: Just curious if brute force might work under a mile. Sure, at some point you could put enough RF power into it to burn a hole through the trees. ~Seth

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200 megs in 10 MHz? AF2x? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can > penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or b

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Sure, but with a 10 MHz 256QAM dual polarity channel in 2.4 he's not going to get anywhere near 200 aggregate. It can work great and have good latency, 0% packet loss but it won't be particularly fast. I would try it, at that distance, if you don't need the AF2 somewhere else in your network you c

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PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration 200 megs in 10 MHz? AF2x? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.c

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t;From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM >To: af@afmug.com >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration > > >200 megs in 10 MHz? AF2x? > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Di

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t; > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration > > > > 200 megs in 10 MHz? AF2x? >

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> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration >&

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boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration >> >> >> >> 200 megs in 10 MHz? AF2x? >> >> Josh Luthman