On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:05 AM, A. T. Murray wrote:
> Fri.24.SEP.2010 -- Clamping Down on Stray Activations
>
> Yesterday we made sure to upload our 21sep10A.F MindForth AI
> code so that we could start fresh today with 24sep10A.F code.
> In the previous code we made some progress in the answerin
On 5/22/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm not doing any active work on it at the moment, but my favorite approach
has been Mark Jones' active production networks, which are one of those
schemes that lies in the twilight between symbolic and connectionist. Like
Copycat, it is b
Any opinions on Operator Grammar vs. Link Grammar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operator_Grammar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_grammar
Link Grammar seems to have spawned practical software, but Operator
Grammar has some compelling ideas including coherent selection,
information content and
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 3/24/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> > > > I think
On 3/25/07, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've seen heated arguments over computer languages on AI-related forums many
times before, so I've no intention of pimping any particular language
specifically for AGI development. Actually I think the state of the art in
software creation at th
On 3/24/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> > I think Jey's comment is reasonable. It seems impractical to start a
> > collaborative AI project without having an AGI design which specifies
what
> > modules are there and ho
On 3/24/07, rooftop8000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> one chooses a
> decent option and gets on with it.
>
> -- Ben
That's exactly the problem.. everyone just builds their
own ideas and doesn't consider how their ideas and code could
(later) be used by other people
If Novamente reaches human li
On 3/24/07, David Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I appreciate your detailed response but I don't have time to respond to all
your points right now. You can be assured that I will investigate your
points in the coming days.
I am not familiar with C# directly but have programmed extensively in
On 3/24/07, Tony Lofthouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Clarke wrote:
> I have 18 points at www.rccconsulting.com/aihal.htm and an explanation for
> each one. Prove to me that this list of features can all be accommodated
> by
> any existing computer language and I will stop my developmen
On 3/24/07, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One thing that's nice about LISP --- at first glance -- is that it looks
like it can be a language for both AGI content and AGI framework.
But I believe this is somewhat deceptive. In principle LISP could be OK
for AGI framework (though I'm no
It's cool that you posted the material here in case the site goes down
and also for searching purposes (as in searching my mailbox or the
archives), but I just wanted to point out that the original blog entry
has some good links in it. In other words, some of the text is linked
to related stories
ng at the same time and created tables of over 2M records. I have
created arrays up to 10M elements. (size is limited to memory space)
-- David Clark
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On 3/22/07, Charles D Hixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Unfortunately, MS is claiming undefined things as being proprietary. As
such, I intend to stay totally clear of implementations of "it's"
protocols. Including mono. I am considering jvm, however, as Sun has
now freed the java license (and
On 3/21/07, Shane Legg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/21/07, Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sometimes the slowness of a program is not contained in a small
> portion of a program.
Sure. For us however this isn't the case.
Cobra looks nice, very clea
On 3/20/07, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would certainly expect that a mature Novamente system would be able to
easily solve this kind of
invariant recognition problem. However, just because a human toddler
can solve this sort of problem easily, doesn't
mean a "toddler" level AGI sh
"recognition ... irrespective of scale, distortion and noise" sounds
pretty interesting. Are these capabilities outside of current NNs? I'm
familiar with NNs ignoring noise, but not scale. But my NN
investigations are several years old...
I wonder if distortion includes any degree of rotation. I
On 3/20/07, Charles D Hixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
rooftop8000 wrote:
> ...
> I think we should somehow allow people to use all the program languages they
want.
>
That "somehow" is the big problem. Most approaches to dealing with it
are...lamentable.
> ...
> You can use closed modules if y
On 3/20/07, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Shane Legg wrote:
>
> Ben, I didn't know you were a Ruby fan...
Cassio has gotten me into Ruby ... but in Novamente it's used only
for prototyping, the real system is C++
For some non-AGI consulting projects we have also used Ruby.
Ruby runs
On 3/20/07, Shane Legg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ben, I didn't know you were a Ruby fan...
After working in C# with Peter I'd say that's is a pretty good choice.
Sort of like Java but you can get closer to the metal where needed
quite easily.
For my project we are using Ruby and C. Almost al
There's a good chance this topic has been discussed before, so feel
free to point the way if that's the case. It's certainly been touched
on since I joined the list, but I wanted to break it out for its own
sake of discussion.
Background:
There is a contest that implements the Turing Test for AI
On 3/12/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The problem:
1. To be able to read many fonts
2. even totally new and strange-looking ones
3. even for the FIRST time one encounters a new, strange font; and
4. To be able to improve proficiency for a familiar font.
The "NeoLego" or
On 3/9/07, Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/9/07, Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/6/07, Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A more detailed discussion is in
> > http://nars.wang.googlepages.com/wang.WhatAIShouldBe.pdf
>
> One
On 3/6/07, Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A more detailed discussion is in
http://nars.wang.googlepages.com/wang.WhatAIShouldBe.pdf
One can usually infer the approximate date of such a paper from the
references, but not having a date still seems odd especially
considering that these papers
On 2/25/07, Kevin Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/26/07, Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But wouldn't it be difficult to integrate the results of the
> experimental copy back into the working copy which has since had new
> experiences, memory fo
On 2/25/07, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about the AGIs that people are building or working towards, such
> as those from Novamente, AdaptiveAI, Hall, etc.? Do/Will your systems
> have "sleep periods" for internal maintenance and improvement? If so,
> what types of activities do
This is a light article about the purpose and value of sleep in humans:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=437683&in_page_id=1965
The article is nothing earth shattering, but it reminded me that I've
thought for a long time that an AGI would li
Thanks, that was interesting stuff. Microsoft hosted a symposium on
programming languages in 2006, which I attended. So if you like this
kind of stuff, you might want to check out
http://www.langnetsymposium.com/speakers.asp which includes
presentations on Java, C#, Second Life, open source, and m
On 2/20/07, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
It helps to remember that my target users are cognitive scientists who
want to be able to stay in a high-level thought mode (fancy way of
saying that my users ain't gonna be hackers).
Now I see why it would be a dev env, both from the
On 2/20/07, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
More generally, what you say about concepts being formed as a result of
associations must be something like the truth but the real story is
vastly more complex that just co-occurence => new concept. Even what we
know today, from r
On 2/19/07, John Scanlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Language is the manipulation of symbols. When you think of how a
non-linguistic proto-human species first started using language, you can
imagine creatures associating sounds with images -- "oog" is the big hairy
red ape who's always trying to
On 2/19/07, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Wow, I leave off email for two days and a 55-message Religious War
breaks out! ;-)
I promise this is nothing to do with languages I do or do not like (i.e.
it is non-religious...).
As many people pointed out, programming language matters
On 2/18/07, Charles D Hixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
> On 2/18/07, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Mark Waser wrote:
>> >...
>
> I find C++ overly complex while simultaneously lacking well known
> produ
On 2/18/07, Aki Iskandar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On another note, are you planning on an IDE for Cobra? Can you write
an extension for VS.NET, or for WingWare's Wing IDE? How does one
develop in Cobra? Now and in the future.
Now: Your favorite text editor and invocation from the command l
On 2/18/07, Aki Iskandar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Enough said. I think we can all get along, and learn something from
each other.
Oh, yeah??? Prove it!
LOL No, I'm totally kidding. I couldn't resist making that joke. :-)
There are certainly a couple people on this list that take every
com
On 2/18/07, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mark Waser wrote:
>
> Chuck is also absolutely incorrect that the only way to generate code by
> code is to use Reflection.Emit. It is very easy to have your code write
> code in any language to a file (either real or virtual), compile
On 2/18/07, Aki Iskandar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chuck, I looked at Cobra yesterday, and I like it :-)
Glad to hear that. :-)
I will try to get some time and play with it. My love of Python, and
reluctant admittance of appreciating .NET, are pointing me in the
direction of using one of 3
On 2/18/07, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chuck is also absolutely incorrect that the only way to generate code by
code is to use Reflection.Emit. It is very easy to have your code write
code in any language to a file (either real or virtual), compile it, and
then load the resulting libr
On 2/17/07, Aki Iskandar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Richard, Danny, Pei, Chuck, Eugen, Peter ... thanks all for answering
my question.
...
C# is definitely a productive language, mainly due to the IDE, and it
is faster than Java - however, it is strongly typed.
Perhaps the disadvantage to C#, f
On 2/17/07, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It is not always true that C++ is used (I am building my own language
and development environment to do it, for example), but if C++ is most
common in projects overall, that probably reflects the facts that:
...
Back in the old days, it w
On 1/18/07, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- "YKY (Yan King Yin)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not an academic (left uni a couple years ago) so I can't get academic
> funding for this. If I can't start an AI business I'd have to entirely give
> up AI as a career. I hope you can u
tc) while [singularity] is for more general
discussion on Singularity+AGI related issues: http://www.agiri.org/email
Thus, this msnbc article would do better at [singularity].
Thanks! Bruce
Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16545946/
>
> Btw is it useful to post relevant
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16545946/
Btw is it useful to post relevant articles on this list, or is
everyone already on the Kurzweil newsletter and seeing this stuff
anyway?
Thanks,
-Chuck
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On 1/13/07, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually it doesn't matter what convention you use. You could simply have
an entry box on the screen, with a prompt saying "please type a short
statement that you believe to be either true or false". Some parsing can do
the rest. To avoid get
On 1/13/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm considering this idea: build a repository of facts/rules in FOL (or
Prolog) format, similar to Cyc's. For example "water is wet", "oil is
slippery", etc. The repository is structureless, in the sense that it is
just a collection of
On 10/31/06, Hartmut Prochaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
I created a google co-op search on "cognition and mind" at the following
adress: http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=012063233955606146991%3Adwsxidzld8s
Thanks. I was poking around and saw in the list of featured co-op
search sites
On 10/31/06, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I guess the AI problem is solved, then. I can already communicate with my
computer using formal, unambiguous languages. It already does a lot of
things better than most humans, like arithmetic, chess, memorizing long
lists and recalling them
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