[agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?

WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? With the work done by Goertzel et al, Pei, Joscha Bach , Sam Adams, and others who spoke at AGI 2008, I feel we pretty much conceptually understand how build powerful AGI's. I'm not necessarily saying we know all the pieces

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--- Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? - Lack of well defined goals. What defines AGI? A better spam filter? A robotic housemaid? Automating all human labor? - Inability to reverse engineer the human brain. Why do we need 10^15 synapses to

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. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:35:43 AM Subject: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? With the work d

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Ed Porter wrote: WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? One that appears to me to be missing, or at least not emphasized, is that general intelligence is inefficient compared to specialized techniques. In any particular sub-domain specialized intelligence will be able to employ bet

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On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Charles D Hixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Porter wrote: > > > WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? > > > > There are no apparent missing conceptual pieces in the Novamente approach... Hopefully this will become clear even from the OpenCog documen

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Ed Porter wrote: WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? With the work done by Goertzel et al, Pei, Joscha Bach , Sam Adams, and others who spoke at AGI 2008, I feel we pretty much conceptually understand how build powerful AGI's. I'm not necessarily saying we

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Richard, I promise you I'll take you up on this argument **in detail** sometime during Summer 2008 after I release the OpenCog conceptual documentation... which is only about 50-70 hours work from being ready, but time for such stuff is scant... ben > > Ed, can you please specify *precisely* wh

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Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:57 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? Ed Porter wrote: > WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? > > With the work done by Goertzel et al, Pei,

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hard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:57 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? Ed Porter wrote: WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? With the work done by Goertzel et al, Pei, Joscha Bach <h

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On 19/04/2008, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? > I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but this brief sketch will have to do until I get some more time. These may be in some new AI material, but I haven't had the chance to read up much recentl

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William Pearson writes:> Consider an AI learning chess, it is told in plain english that... I think the points you are striving for (assuming I understand what you mean) are very important and interesting. Even the first simplest steps toward this clear and (seemingly) simple task baffle me.

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On 20/04/2008, Derek Zahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > William Pearson writes: > > > Consider an AI learning chess, it is told in plain english that... > > I think the points you are striving for (assuming I understand what you > mean) are very important and interesting. Even the first simplest

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(Aplogies for inadvertent empty reply to this :-) On Saturday 19 April 2008 11:35:43 am, Ed Porter wrote: > WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? In a single word: feedback. At a very high level of abstraction, most the AGI (and AI for that matter) schemes I've seen can be caricatured

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On Saturday 19 April 2008 11:35:43 am, Ed Porter wrote: > WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? > > With the work done by Goertzel et al, Pei, Joscha Bach > , Sam Adams, and others who spoke at AGI 2008, I > feel we pretty much conceptually understand how build

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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:18 AM, J Storrs Hall, PhD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At a very high level of abstraction, most the AGI (and AI for that matter) > schemes I've seen can be caricatured as follows: > > 1. Receive data from sensors. > 2. Interpret into higher-level concepts. > 3. Th

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eed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: "J Storrs Hall, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:18:25 PM Subject:

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d faster --- but it might become a full blown major conceptual piece. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:18 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? (Aplogies for i

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scheme is obviously too much of a simplification. -Original Message- From: Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:49 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:18 AM, J Storr

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On 21/04/2008, J Storrs Hall, PhD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Problem is, in brains, there are actually more nerve fibers transmitting data > from higher numbers to lower, i.e. backwards, than forwards. I think that the > interpretation of sensory input is a much more active process than we AGI

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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course the selection of what to attend to and what action to take is > often a function of what is being perceived and/or imagined, or what goals > and drives one is currently laboring under. Selection of a behavior of

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On Monday 21 April 2008 05:33:01 pm, Ed Porter wrote: > I don't think your 5 steps do justice to the more sophisticated views of AGI > that are out their. It was, as I said, a caricature. However, look, e.g., at the overview graphic of this LIDA paper (page 8) http://bernardbaars.pbwiki.com/f/B

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:27 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course the selection of what to attend to and what action to take is > often a function of what is being p

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more as experimental and engineering problem than a conceptual one. Ed Porter Original Message- From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:05 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? On Monday 21 April 20

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Josh writes:> You see, I happen to think that there *is* a consistent, general, overall > theory of the function of feedback throughout the architecture. And I think > that once it's understood and widely applied, a lot of the architectures > (repeat: a *lot* of the architectures) we have floati

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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vlad, > > It is my belief that humans can do intuitive cost/benefit analysis without > deliberation, although many forms of cost/benefit analysis do require > deliberation. > > For example a basketball player often looks ar

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Thank you! This feeds back into the feedback discussion, in a way, at a high level. There's a significant difference between research programming and production programming. The production programmer is building something which if (nominally) understood and planned ahead of time. The researcher

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an behavior. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:04 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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how I presume a Novamente system would work I think that we all need to be more careful about our presumptions/assumptions. I think that many important comceptual pieces are glossed over and lost this way. Novamente currently has absolutely no sign of and/or detailed plans for *numerous* c

Language learning (Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?)

--- William Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Consider also the sentence, "There are words such as verbs, that are > doing words, you need to put a pronoun or noun before the verb". > > People are given this sort of information when learning languages, it > seems to help them. How and why does

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On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- William Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Consider also the sentence, "There are words such as verbs, that are > > doing words, you need to put a pronoun or noun before the verb". > > > > People are given this s

[agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses BELOW ARE THE MOST RECENT DISCUSSIONS CONCERNING POSSIBLE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT STAND BETWEEN US AND AGI. THESE COMMENTS ALL RELATE TO IMPORTANT ISSUES TO BE DEALT WITH --- BUT IT IS NOT CLEAR ANY OF

RE: Language learning (Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?)

To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Language learning (Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?) --- William Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Consider also the sentence, "There are words such as verbs, that are > doing words, you need to put a pronoun or noun before

[agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? -- summary of response so far

e learning and not human programming. Such learning can be greatly speed if such machines are taught, at least partially, the way human children are. But once knowledge has been learned by such systems much of it can be quickly replicated into, or shared between, other machines. === -Original

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Ed Porter wrote: Yes, understood and appreciated. You know, when I talk about the complex systems issue I feel like an engineer from Morton Thiokol who knows about the temperature vulnerability of O-rings. Take a look at this extract from http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/may200

RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

Ed Porter writes: > How the concept of “knight” poofs into existence during a conversation > about chess is no great mystery for a Novamente-like system. If a > Novamente has former experience which chess they have, within their > hierarchical memory recorded patterns and experiences with che

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One more bit of ranting on this topic, to try to clarify the sort of thing I'm trying to understand. Some dude is telling my AGI program: "There's a piece called a 'knight'. It moves by going two squares in one direction and then one in a perpendicular direction. And here's something neat:

RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

[agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses Ed Porter wrote: > admitting to having to eat my words, at least in part, saying there was > something to your complex systems analysis viewpoint. > > Yes, understood and appreciated. You

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On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Derek Zahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One more bit of ranting on this topic, to try to clarify the sort of thing > I'm trying to understand. > > Some dude is telling my AGI program: "There's a piece called a 'knight'. > It moves by going two squares in one dir

RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

Stephen Reed writes: Hey Texai, let's program [Texai] I don't know how to program, can you teach me by yourself? Sure, first thing is that a program consists of statements that each does something [Texai] I assume by program you mean a sequence of instructions that a computer can interpret and

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ROTECTED]> To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:43:37 PM Subject: RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Stephen Reed writes:

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tune, and refine such control systems. I find it hard to believe that within 3-8 years we won't see substantial stride made towards making roughly Novamente-like machines. In 8 to 20 years I would be surprised if we do not see machines that are at least at human levels in virtually all mental

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Vladimir Nesov writes:> Generating "concepts" out of thin air is no big deal, if only a> resource-hungry process. You can create a dozen for each episode, for> example. If I am not certain of the appropriate mechanism and circumstances for generating one concept, it doesn't help to suggest tha

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On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Derek Zahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If I am not certain of the appropriate mechanism and circumstances for > generating one concept, it doesn't help to suggest that a dozen get > generated instead... now I have twelve times as many things to explain. If >

RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

iginal Message- From: Derek Zahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:46 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses Vladimir Nesov writes: > Generating "concepts" out of thin ai

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On 21/04/2008, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So when people are given a sentence such as the one you quoted about verbs, > pronouns, and nouns, presuming they have some knowledge of most of the words > in the sentence, they will understand the concept that verbs "are doing > words."

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Ed Porter wrote: Richard, There is no evidence you are more justified in laughing at my position than I am in saying your complexity issues do not appear to represent a major unsolved conceptual issues. Remember I am not denying complexity issues don't exist. Instead I am saying it is not cle

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Richard Loosemore:> I do not laugh at your misunderstanding, I laugh at the general > complacency; the attitude that a problem denied is a problem solved. I > laugh at the tragicomedic waste of effort. I'm not sure I have ever seen anybody successfully rephrase your complexity argument back at y

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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I do not laugh at your misunderstanding, I laugh at the general > complacency; the attitude that a problem denied is a problem solved. I > laugh at the tragicomedic waste of effort. > How confident are you that th

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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Derek Zahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure I have ever seen anybody successfully rephrase your complexity > argument back at you; since nobody understands what you mean it's not > surprising that people are complacent about it. > Derek, I'll not parap

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Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:42 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses On 21/04/2008, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So when people are given a sentence such as t

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y." Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:08 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses Ed Porter wrote: > Richard, > > Ther

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Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I do not laugh at your misunderstanding, I laugh at the general complacency; the attitude that a problem denied is a problem solved. I laugh at the tragicomedic waste of effort. How confiden

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

Ed Porter wrote: Richard, I read you "Complex Systems, Artificial Intelligence and Theoretical Psychology" article, and I still don't know what your are talking about other than the game of life. I know you make a distinction between Richard and non-Richard complexity. I understand computati

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Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Derek Zahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not sure I have ever seen anybody successfully rephrase your complexity argument back at you; since nobody understands what you mean it's not surprising that people are complacent about it. Derek

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

On Apr 21, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Richard Loosemore wrote: I have been trying to understand the relationship between theoretical models of thought (both natural and artificial) since at least 1980, and one thing I have noticed is that people devise theoretical structures that are based on the as

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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > H I detect a parody..? > > That is not what I intended to say. > No, as horrible as it may sound, this is how I see the problem that you are trying to address. If you can pinpoint some specific errors in my

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Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: H I detect a parody..? That is not what I intended to say. No, as horrible as it may sound, this is how I see the problem that you are trying to address. If you can pinpoint some spe

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J Andrew Rogers writes:> Most arguments and disagreements over "complexity" are fundamentally > about the strict definition of the term, or the complete absence > thereof. The arguments tend to evaporate if everyone is forced to > unambiguously define such terms, but where is the fun in that. I

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J. Andrew Rogers wrote: On Apr 21, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Richard Loosemore wrote: I have been trying to understand the relationship between theoretical models of thought (both natural and artificial) since at least 1980, and one thing I have noticed is that people devise theoretical structures th

RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

Richard: I get tripped up on your definition of complexity: > A system contains a certain amount of complexity in it if it > has some regularities in its overall behavior that are governed > by mechanisms that are so tangled that, for all practical purposes, > we must assume that we will neve

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Derek Zahn said: I have not been able yet to successfully grasp exactly what counts as complex and what does not, and for things in between, how to judge the "degree" of complexity. I don't know what Loosemore's definitions are, but I do not believe that a measure of the d

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How confident are you that this only-complex-AI limitation applies in reality? How much would you bet on it? I'm not convinced, and I think that if you are convinced too much, you made wrong conclusions from your data, unless you communicated too little of what formed your intuition. I am comple

FW: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? ---re Loosemore's complexity argument

I am re-posting this because I first sent it out an hour ago and it is not yet showing on my email -Original Message- RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? ---re Loosemore's complexity argument Richard, I read the article in your blog (http://susaro.com/)

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Derek Zahn wrote: Richard: I get tripped up on your definition of complexity: > A system contains a certain amount of complexity in it if it > has some regularities in its overall behavior that are governed > by mechanisms that are so tangled that, for all practical purposes, > we must as

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

On Tuesday 22 April 2008 01:22:14 pm, Richard Loosemore wrote: > The solar system, for example, is not complex: the planets move in > wonderfully predictable orbits. http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13757-solar-system-could-go-haywire-before-the-sun-dies.html?feedId=online-news_rss20 "H

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

J Storrs Hall, PhD wrote: On Tuesday 22 April 2008 01:22:14 pm, Richard Loosemore wrote: The solar system, for example, is not complex: the planets move in wonderfully predictable orbits. http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13757-solar-system-could-go-haywire-before-the-sun-dies.html?fee

RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?---I'm going to be very busy for a while

I'm going to be very busy for the next few day, or even longer, so I wall be slow responding to further comments on this thread until things cool down. --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/