DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in CFJ 1966

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Firstly, R101(i) is apparently nonsensical. The word wilt can be used as the second person singular present tense of will, but in the rule it is not used in the second person at all, and in any event this usage is archaic, and thus not the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reformed Bank of Agora report

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: EXCHANGE RATES --- 570 crops 1051 crops 962 crops (none) 3 crops 484 crops 775 crops 616 crops 687 crops 93

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: And the winner is.... (Agoran Proposal Awards report)

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ELIGIBLE PROPOSALS (Jun 16 - Jun 22) -- NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE *5412 O1 1woggle More permanant patent

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: H. Notary, can you provide me with the ehrid contract and membership as it stood at the time of this CFJ (or confirm that the text and membership on the website you've provided was accurate to that time)? -Goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you (all of you) please continue referring to ehrid as Teh Cltohed Mna? Calling it ehrid does nothing but make people look twice so that they know who you're referring to. --Ivan Hope CXXVII Since I am notehird now, it's not that ambiguous. (This

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As I indicated previously, I don't mind minor corruption of the judicial system through the Protection Racket, however I am not interested in bringing down all the upstanding citizens of Agora upon my head. I therefore invite ehird or notehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Ruleset as Contract

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Proto-Proposal: Ruleset as Contract (AI = 3, II = 3, please) You sent this to a-b. Oops? notehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I am notehird now, it's not that ambiguous. (This escapes me from that evil pledge, for what it's worth) I'm not entirely convinced. You're the same person who was referred to by the pledge, regardless of a change in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Quazie
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/26 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: H. Notary, can you provide me with the ehrid contract and membership as it stood at the time of this CFJ (or confirm that the text and membership on the website you've provided was

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Quazie wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Quazie wrote: This CFJ seems to be FALSE. Why should a member of a partnership incur

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: Anyway, I think it could be 'not envisioned'. I mean, obviously I was aware that it was *possible* that someone could deregister me, but I hoped (and believed) that it wouldn't happen - since anyone looking at it would realise it's not a novelty to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should we create the Agoran equivalent of an LLC? You can already do that, just don't expect much support to get them accepted as persons.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is doubly wrong. First, deregistering doesn't absolve you of contractual obligations; second, non-players are not generally restricted from possessing or transferring assets (only certain assets are restricted to being

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gratuitous: my first thought was: I should deregister em. Naw, that's boring. But the fact that it was (apparently) the first thought of many who read it might mean it should have been envisioned as likely. -Goethe. I didn't envision that it would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: H. Notary, as ehrid is/was (apparently) a public contract, can you confirm the text and membership in the PF? -Goethe H. Notary is ais523, and he has root on that server. (So do I, but I certainly didn't twiddle the bits.) The previous official Notary

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: So I envisioned that people would probably consider it, but I didn't envision that someone actually did it. That said, after the event I wasn't suprised that it was comex who did it. You should have envisioned that comex would have envisioned that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/6/26 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: H. Notary, as ehrid is/was (apparently) a public contract, can you confirm the text and membership in the PF? -Goethe H. Notary is ais523, and he has root on that server. (So do I, but I certainly didn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's not the same as providing testimony in a forum of record. If e points me to the same info, that's sufficient. The issue is, I want a second opinion on what varied changes happened and when. -G. Yes, I was just making a note. ehird

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is doubly wrong. First, deregistering doesn't absolve you of contractual obligations; second, non-players are not generally restricted from possessing or transferring assets

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fair question, and one that has been vexing me as late. The question: what does continue to play mean? That phrasing of R101 didn't envision attempting to having contracts that were permitted to be binding to

DIS: Re: BUS: The Hit List - Protection Racket Report

2008-06-26 Thread Sgeo
Any Don can cause another Don to cease to be bound by this contract without the objection of a Don. Is this to be able to easily kick out inactive Dons? Because the Don to be kicked out can always just object..

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/26 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As I indicated previously, I don't mind minor corruption of the judicial system through the Protection Racket, however I am not interested in bringing down all the upstanding

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Hit List - Protection Racket Report

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any Don can cause another Don to cease to be bound by this contract without the objection of a Don. Is this to be able to easily kick out inactive Dons? Because the Don to be kicked out can always just object.. I imagine so.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, comex wrote: Rule 2169 plainly says that the judgement is in effect as a binding agreement between the parties [of the original contract].. But R2145, which states that responsibilities devolve to members, clearly has precedence over R2169. I agree with everything you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Ruleset as Contract

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2008/6/26 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Proto-Proposal: Ruleset as Contract (AI = 3, II = 3, please) You sent this to a-b. Oops? I felt it was important enough to send to the PF.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2047 == CFJ 2047 == notehird is a registered player.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Hit List - Protection Racket Report

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any Don can cause another Don to cease to be bound by this contract without the objection of a Don. Is this to be able to easily kick out inactive Dons? Because the Don to be kicked out can always just object.. Yes indeed, just

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fair question, and one that has been vexing me as late. The question: what does continue to play mean? That phrasing of R101 didn't envision attempting to having contracts that were permitted to be

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BobTHJ wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2047 == CFJ 2047 ==

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Anyway, I think it could be 'not envisioned'. I mean, obviously I was aware that it was *possible* that someone could deregister me, but I hoped (and believed) that it wouldn't happen - since anyone looking at it would realise it's not a novelty to discover it could be used

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Ruleset as Contract

2008-06-26 Thread Quazie
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Change the power of Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) to 3, and amend it by replacing this text: A player CAN deregister by announcement. E CANNOT register within thirty days after doing so. A player

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BobTHJ wrote: Anyway, I think it could be 'not envisioned'. I mean, obviously I was aware that it was *possible* that someone could deregister me, but I hoped (and believed) that it wouldn't happen - since anyone looking

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BobTHJ wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2047 == CFJ 2047

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H. Notary is ais523, and he has root on that server. (So do I, but I certainly didn't twiddle the bits.) I protest. I have never been on that server. -root (hoping for a [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: Wooble wrote: I for one would be happy to eliminate the possibility of non-players playing in the larger sense. How would that work? Any attempt by a non-player to perform an action that would affect the gamestate is unsuccessful, unless the action is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wooble wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fair question, and one that has been vexing me as late. The question: what does continue to play mean? That phrasing of R101 didn't

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: As for contracts binding non-players, how are they binding? The person SHALL abide by them, but what do we do if they don't? Sentencing them to chokey, fine, and exile are sort of meaningless (assuming they don't, within the tariff period, decide that they want to register

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: As for contracts binding non-players, how are they binding? The person SHALL abide by them, but what do we do if they don't? It is binding on their Agoran properties if any (if they don't have any, Agora isn't really concerned). Hence equity. We

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: The CAN bind them if they attempt to register clause explicitly allows exile to do what it says, at least wrt playerhood. We may need to create a variation making all eir gamestate-relevant actions ineffective, though. (I suggest naming it COVENTRY.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I protest. I have never been on that server. -root (hoping for a [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address) *g* ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Criminal and equity notifications

2008-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If indirect preventions are counted, then almost any game action could be forbidden on the grounds that it led to breaching the contract. Gratuitous argument: a reasonable person wouldn't agree to be bound by a contract so

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Criminal and equity notifications

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gratuitous argument: a reasonable person wouldn't agree to be bound by a contract so that restricted eir behavior in such a way. (On the other hand, would cause seems a bit weak; if it was worded might cause there might be a stronger argument for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Criminal and equity notifications

2008-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/26 Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gratuitous argument: a reasonable person wouldn't agree to be bound by a contract so that restricted eir behavior in such a way. (On the other hand, would cause seems a bit weak;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Criminal and equity notifications

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/26 Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gratuitous argument: a reasonable person wouldn't agree to be bound by a contract so that restricted eir

DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM, tusho ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well! I'd like to join this here Agoranomicgamething. May I? Good, that's nice of you. I join. HmmI smell something fishy BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:25 PM, tusho ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well! I'd like to join this here Agoranomicgamething. May I? Good, that's nice of you. I join. -- tusho ? (questionmark) Now would be a good time to ratify some reports and give us a known good gamestate for the Horrible

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Quazie
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:25 PM, tusho ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well! I'd like to join this here Agoranomicgamething. May I? Good, that's nice of you. I join. . -- tusho ? (questionmark) Now would be a good time

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread tusho ?
2008/6/26 Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All new members between today and day x, where x is the day ehird can re-register are suspicious in my book. Hmm .. you just contacted me on gmail chat about this. I'll quote it [snip] quazienomic: the chances of you being a random person from the UK who

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 tusho ? [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/6/26 Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All new members between today and day x, where x is the day ehird can re-register are suspicious in my book. Hmm .. you just contacted me on gmail chat about this. I'll quote it (WORDS) Unfortunate choice of name.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Criminal and equity notifications

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hmmdidn't think of that. Perhaps the Protection Racket needs amended to allow such action? BobTHJ That would be too specific. It's an odd clause. ehird

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, comex wrote: Rule 2169 plainly says that the judgement is in effect as a binding agreement between the parties [of the original contract].. But R2145, which states that responsibilities devolve to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Quazie
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, tusho ? wrote: 2008/6/26 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: HmmI smell something fishy BobTHJ Huh? We were just discussing what sorts of things would happen if a current (maybe-)player we

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, comex wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, comex wrote: Rule 2169 plainly says that the judgement is in effect as a binding agreement between the parties [of the original contract].. But R2145, which states

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Quazie wrote: Maud received no exile for eir similar doings. E actually offered to go, and then helped clean up, and was a strong and trusted member of the community, personally and privately apologized to several, and finally, the confession came out of the blue long after

DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: If you couldn't sign away some portion of your rights, contracts wouldn't work at all, and the courts have clearly showed that they do actually function. Wait, why wouldn't contracts work at all? If you couldn't sign away some portion of your rights, then the thing that would

DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:25 PM, tusho ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well! I'd like to join this here Agoranomicgamething. May I? Good, that's nice of you. I join. I initiate a criminal case against ehird, for violating Rule 2149 by saying that e joins. In fact, as e knew,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gratuituous evidence: Very gratuitous considering my last 'work of art'.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/6/26 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gratuituous evidence: Very gratuitous considering my last 'work of art'. Oh, and I do indeed use the name 'tusho'. It wasn't made up on the spot.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2008/6/26 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gratuituous evidence: Very gratuitous considering my last 'work of art'. I didn't receive it until after sending my message. Oh, and I do indeed use the name 'tusho'. It wasn't made up on the spot. Your use of it on IRC was mentioned

DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, comex wrote: I initiate a criminal case against ehird, for violating Rule 2149 by saying that e joins. In fact, as e knew, the statement was ineffective (because e deregistered less than thirty days prior to it), so e did not join at any time around the posting of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ps. thanks for coming clean, e-not-rid-hird. However, depending on who you ask, I may be 'ehrid'.

DIS: How did the Town Fountain come to be?

2008-06-26 Thread Sgeo
I understand that nowadays, it's possible for a rule of power 3 to elevate itself higher, but was that the case when the Fountain was passed? If not, how did it get to be Power 4?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Taral
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H. Notary is ais523, and he has root on that server. (So do I, but I certainly didn't twiddle the bits.) I protest. I have never been on that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/26 Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wait, what? What server? -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown eso-std.org's server.

Re: DIS: How did the Town Fountain come to be?

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: I understand that nowadays, it's possible for a rule of power 3 to elevate itself higher, but was that the case when the Fountain was passed? If not, how did it get to be Power 4? Reviewing the AWJ: Proposals 4327 through 4329 changed the rule assigning Power to proposals, first

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the equation still wouldn't go into effect until a week after the scam AFFIRM, which is enough time to block via proposal if the anti-scamsters (including Promotor and Assessor) are quick about it; Assuming (as I said

Re: DIS: How did the Town Fountain come to be?

2008-06-26 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reviewing the AWJ: Speaking of which, what happened to the AWJ? There have been no new entries on your AWJ page for over a year... and reading summaries of old gameplay is pretty fun.

Re: DIS: How did the Town Fountain come to be?

2008-06-26 Thread Sgeo
What was the point of the first change? Unsuccessful fountain attempt? Also, how did those proposals pass?

Re: DIS: How did the Town Fountain come to be?

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Sgeo wrote: What was the point of the first change? Unsuccessful fountain attempt? Also, how did those proposals pass? An INSANE economic scam let us corner the market on vote points at AI-1. Then we changed an AI-1-definition to let us pass AI-2 stuff with a simple

Re: DIS: How did the Town Fountain come to be?

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Speaking of which, what happened to the AWJ? There have been no new entries on your AWJ page for over a year... and reading summaries of old gameplay is pretty fun. I still have an AWJ folder containing all the backlogged messages that I might conceivably summarize in future

Re: DIS: How did the Town Fountain come to be?

2008-06-26 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Sgeo wrote: What was the point of the first change? Unsuccessful fountain attempt? Also, how did those proposals pass? An INSANE economic scam let us corner the market on vote points at AI-1. More completely, it was a

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-26 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: So I envisioned that people would probably consider it, but I didn't envision that someone actually did it. That said, after the event I wasn't suprised that it was comex who did it. You should

DIS: Define initiator

2008-06-26 Thread Sgeo
Is initiator well-defined in Win by Paradox

Re: DIS: Define initiator

2008-06-26 Thread Sgeo
What I mean is, is the initiator the person who initiated the CFJ, or the person who made the win announcement?

DIS: Re: BUS: Agoran Weekly Journal

2008-06-26 Thread Quazie
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE AGORAN WEEKLY JOURNAL VOLUME 52, BACK ISSUE 3 Tuesday, July 31, 2007 Historian should be an office that Murphy has... or something of the sort, where E can gain more than just kudos for his weekly journals.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Define initiator

2008-06-26 Thread Sgeo
Doesn't the proposal need to specify which rule? I mean, we know because of context, but still..

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Define initiator

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I submit the following proposal: AI=3 II=0 Name='Race the Hare' Co-Author=Sgeo change 'initiator' to 'initiator of the tortoise' Change it where, exactly?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agoran Weekly Journal

2008-06-26 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 26 June 2008 6:20:51 Quazie wrote: Historian should be an office that Murphy has... or something of the sort, where E can gain more than just kudos for his weekly journals. Especially now that Kudos aren't an Agoran currency.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Define initiator

2008-06-26 Thread Elliott Hird
I realize my mistake. ISTID!

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Ben Caplan
It could be that it can devolve obligations without the person it devolves to being able to uphold these obligations. Then it's trivially TRUE, and ehrid is still a player. This seems to me to be obviously the case. The concept of SHALL and CANNOT is wholeheartedly compatible with the Spirit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agoran Weekly Journal

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2008 6:20:51 Quazie wrote: Historian should be an office that Murphy has... or something of the sort, where E can gain more than just kudos for his weekly journals. Especially now that Kudos aren't an Agoran currency. Strangely

Re: DIS: How did the Town Fountain come to be?

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Benjamin Schultz wrote: On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Sgeo wrote: What was the point of the first change? Unsuccessful fountain attempt? Also, how did those proposals pass? An INSANE economic scam let us corner the market on

DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: I post the following Buy Ticket: Action: Transfer 20 VP to Pavitra. Cost: 19 VP. Target: comex. Oh hey, comex! Want to do a back-and-forth for trade for free to get us both above the limit for an instant? We could do that monthly as long as our

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-26 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 26 June 2008 8:30:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh hey, comex! Want to do a back-and-forth for trade for free to get us both above the limit for an instant? We could do that monthly as long as our combo sums to 50. -Goethe How much do you two trust each other?

DIS: Does the Holidays rule have enough authority?

2008-06-26 Thread Sgeo
Do all rules that specify events to happen at a certain time have power = 2? If not, than the Holidays rule (R1769) does not overrule it..

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2008 8:30:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh hey, comex! Want to do a back-and-forth for trade for free to get us both above the limit for an instant? We could do that monthly as long as our combo sums to 50. -Goethe How much do you two

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-26 Thread ihope
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, comex wrote: I initiate a criminal case against ehird, for violating Rule 2149 by saying that e joins. In fact, as e knew, the statement was ineffective (because e deregistered less than thirty days

DIS: Price?

2008-06-26 Thread comex
I'm about to post a simple contract that will let anyone buy my votes on anything without me actually having to remember to create Sell Tickets. I would do this already, but I'm not sure... What should the price be, to facilitate my earning as many VPs as possible? 1VP is, I think, too low, but

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-06-26 Thread ihope
Just take over the Promotor or Assessor (preferably both) to hinder proposals, the IADoP to prevent new people from taking office, and the CotC to assign certain cases to scamsters. The gang can publish an ultimatum and threaten to EXILE anyone who opposes it for 14 days or so (of course, the

Re: DIS: Does the Holidays rule have enough authority?

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: Do all rules that specify events to happen at a certain time have power = 2? If not, than the Holidays rule (R1769) does not overrule it.. No, several Power=3 rules specify such events. Probably a case for increasing R1769's Power to 3 as well.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agoran Weekly Journal

2008-06-26 Thread ihope
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Historian should be an office that Murphy has... or something of the sort, where E can gain more than just kudos for his weekly journals. I should finish (which entails starting) that history proto I had. Or just let someone else

Re: DIS: Price?

2008-06-26 Thread ihope
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:59 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Agora, what would you pay for my votes? Nothing, it seems; I've been offering all my votes for 1 VP for a while and nobody's accepted. If that's a week of voting and I can't get 1 VP for it, I might suppose it'll take you at

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 assigned to woggle

2008-06-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2032 == CFJ 2032 == The hypothetical contract in the evidence section, if made a contest, would be

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-06-26 Thread Sgeo
I might be wrong, but don't reports traditionally go in OFF?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-06-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might be wrong, but don't reports traditionally go in OFF? It is equally effective to send a report to agora-business as to agora-official, and it's not conventional to send reports that aren't directly required by the rules to

DIS: Re: BUS: Read the Ruleset Holiday

2008-06-26 Thread Quazie
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish to make a proposal titled Read the Ruleset Holiday, AI=1 II=2 Add the following text to Rule 1750: Read the Ruleset Week is an Agoran Holiday. There is no real reason for this to be a Holiday, as it will only lead to a