Re: [Evergreen-general] osrf_http_translator - EG 3.11.1 - Cache error and failed transaction begin

[Galen Charlton via Evergreen-general]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:55 AM Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general <
evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:

> I have a test system(Copy of production) with EG 3.11.1 running on Debian
> 11.8 with memcached 1.6.9, that doesn't show this issue.  So I'm leaning
> towards there being some bug in Memcached in Debian 12.
>

I tend to agree, though at the moment I suspect libmemcached more than
memcached itself. From what I've gleaned just now, libmemcached was
unchanged with the 1.0.18 release from February 2014 until it was picked up
by a new maintainer in 2020. Bookworm happens to be the first Debian
release to package the newer version, and Ubuntu was only a few months
earlier to include it.


> Has anyone run into this before?  Any other suggestions for things to look
> into?  Maybe memcached with verbose logging turned on?
>

Agreed, bumping up memcached's verbosity may help.

Also, please try this: create a file named
"0.10253501323116211698110395845" with the contents
{"ip":"10.0.100.6","jid":"opensrf@private.localhost/open-ils.pcrud_drone_virt-egstaff1_1698110384.796304_2053","service":"open-ils.pcrud"}
and use memccp to load it into the cache. If a subsequent memcdump fails,
that would suggest a (weird) data-dependent bug in libmemcached or memached
itself.

Regards,

Galen
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[Evergreen-general] osrf_http_translator - EG 3.11.1 - Cache error and failed transaction begin

[Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general]

Hello, I noticed that with our EG 3.11.1 system it isn't possible to create
a new part in the AngularJS catalog/Dojo interface,
/eg/conify/global/biblio/monograph_part?r=188963 for example.

When the save button is pressed to create a new part, there is a CONNECT
call and then a call to open-ils.pcrud.transaction.begin.  The transaction
begin call fails with a http 400 Bad Request page error.

I enabled debug logging to see this in the gateway logs.
osrf_http_translator 2023-10-23 20:19:58 [ERR
:2026:osrf_cache.c:87:169811038420260] Failed to cache key:value
[0.10253501323116211698110395845]:[{"ip":"10.0.100.6","jid":"opensrf@private.localhost/open-ils.pcrud_drone_virt-egstaff1_1698110384.796304_2053","service":"open-ils.pcrud"}]
- SYSTEM ERROR

So I think I understand that my IP is trying to be cached, so that
subsequent requests will go to the same backend, but that is failing.

And then later on when the transaction begin call wants to grab the cached
ip, that also fails.
osrf_http_translator 2023-10-23 20:19:58
[DEBG:2026:osrf_cache.c:105:169811038420261] Failed to get key
[0.10253501323116211698110395845] - SERVER HAS FAILED AND IS DISABLED UNTIL
TIMED RETRY

This is on a  Debian 12.2 (Bookworm) system, with memcached 1.6.18 running
locally on the same machine.  My memcached is vanilla, only change is
allowing it to use more memory for the cache.

memcached seems to be working in general, most functionality is fine.  But
memcdump --server=localhost does stop listing early with an error on the
Debian 12 systems...  with the error
"Failed to dump keys:(0x7ffec29c9770) CONNECTION FAILURE(Connection
refused),  host: localhost:11211 -> ./src/libmemcached/io.cc:145"

I have a test system(Copy of production) with EG 3.11.1 running on Debian
11.8 with memcached 1.6.9, that doesn't show this issue.  So I'm leaning
towards there being some bug in Memcached in Debian 12.

Has anyone run into this before?  Any other suggestions for things to look
into?  Maybe memcached with verbose logging turned on?

I put fuller logs at
https://gitlab.com/LARL/evergreen-larl/-/snippets/3614421

Thanks
Josh
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[Evergreen-general] vendors for online registration & text messages

[Katie Greenleaf Martin via Evergreen-general]

Hello Evergreen Community & friends 

PaILS is currently looking for vendors for two services for our consortium and 
is looking for recommendations/references/thoughts from other Evergreen 
libraries & consortia.


  1.  We plan to implement online card registration & renewal for a pilot group 
of libraries in 2024. I have enjoyed seeing the Quipu registration forms that 
several of you have sent in a separate thread – if you haven’t shared yours 
yet, or you use a different vendor, I’d love to hear about it!
  2.  We are looking for a text messaging service to improve delivery over our 
current SMS/MMS gateway methods. We’re currently looking at MessageBee and 
ShoutBomb – so if you have experience with either of these, or you are using a 
different vendor/solution for this, I would enjoy hearing your thoughts.

Thanks so much!
Katie

Ps: please feel free to ping me off-list if you have thoughts that you don’t 
want to make public – k...@sparkpa.org<mailto:k...@sparkpa.org> or 717.873.9461


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Re: [Evergreen-general] Help with install

[Jason Stephenson via Evergreen-general]

Hello,

That looks like you missed running ldconfig as the root user, or if you 
did ldconfig, the /etc/ld.so.conf.d/opensrf.conf file is either missing 
or may have a typo in it.


Double check that file exists and contains one line like the following:

/openils/lib

in it.

Then, run ldconfig as the root user.

If you start the services after that, it should work. If not, follow up 
with any more information you can give.


HtH,
Jason Stephenson

On 10/23/23 16:29, Willie Cooper via Evergreen-general wrote:

Hello,
I am trying to install Opensrf-3.2.3. for an Evergreen install
on debian bullseye
following all steps
I am now at Testing the default OpenSRF services
Srfsh# request opensrf.math add 2,2
All of the C services do not start when I issue the osrf_control 
--localhost --start-all

logs give errors
         opensrf.cslow 2023-10-23 15:05:08 [ERR 
:54774:osrf_application.c:151:] Failed to dlopen library file 
libosrf_cslow.so: libosrf_cslow.so:    cannot open shared object file: 
No such file or directory

Thank you

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[Evergreen-general] Help with install

[Willie Cooper via Evergreen-general]

Hello, 

I am trying to install Opensrf-3.2.3. for an Evergreen install

on debian bullseye

following all steps

I am now at Testing the default OpenSRF services 

Srfsh# request opensrf.math add 2,2

 

All of the C services do not start when I issue the osrf_control --localhost --start-all

 

logs give errors 

        opensrf.cslow 2023-10-23 15:05:08 [ERR :54774:osrf_application.c:151:] Failed to dlopen library file libosrf_cslow.so: libosrf_cslow.so:    cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

 

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Re: [Evergreen-general] Patron Registration screen

[Joan Kranich via Evergreen-general]

Hi Milissa,

C/W MARS uses Quipu and we are happy with the performance and support.  You
can see our registration form at
https://catalog.cwmars.org/eg/opac/ecard/form.

Joan

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 2:24 PM Millissa Macomber via Evergreen-general <
evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:

> Looking for examples of ways to integrate the self-registration screen on
> our website. Please send me any of your examples. (Integrations with Quipu,
> Smarty or any other vendors is also appreciated.)
>
>
> *Millissa Macomber, ILS Manager*
> Central Skagit Library District
> 110 W. State St.
> Sedro-Woolley, WA 98284
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[Evergreen-general] Evergreen Aspen Interest Meeting - Cancelled for this month

[Frasur, Ruth via Evergreen-general]

Hello all,

Just a reminder that there will not be an Evergreen Aspen Interest Meeting 
because I'm at the EVGILS Hack-a-way and using the Zoom account.  See you next 
month.

Ruth Frasur Davis (she/they)
Coordinator
Evergreen Indiana Library Consortium
Evergreen Community Development Initiative
Indiana State Library
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Indianapolis, IN 46204
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[Evergreen-general] Hack-A-Way

[Rogan Hamby via Evergreen-general]

Good morning (or whenever you read this),

The Hack-A-Way is approaching quickly. A few reminders and updates:

The Hack-A-Way follows the Evergreen community event policies. This
includes the Code of Conduct and Photography Policy.

https://evergreen-ils.org/code-of-conduct/

https://evergreen-ils.org/conference/photography-policy/

I will bring red, yellow and green lanyards so participants will have an
option of which to wear. Event responders in case there is an
emergency will be available at the event.



Rogan Hamby (he/him/his), MLIS

Data and Project Analyst

Equinox Open Library Initiative

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[Evergreen-general] 2024 Online Conf Call to Program Proposals Open

[Gina Monti via Evergreen-general]

Hello Everyone!

This morning we are opening the call to program proposals for the 2024
Evergreen International Online Conference.

The form is very similar to the one we posted for the 2022 conference.  If
you are an interest group leader, please submit as well!

We have two offerings for non-interest groups: 30 and 60 minute
presentation sessions.

Click here for the form.
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfjPGS3IZYkJxNZslkYaUYfwX24QxXRktrDvALM6E1jQZfGhQ/viewform?usp=sf_link>

Please send a response off-list to this email if you have additional
questions.

The deadline for proposals will be Monday, December 18, 2023.  Thank you
for wanting to participate!

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Re: [Evergreen-general] The Evergreen Project Board meeting tomorrow

[Gina Monti via Evergreen-general]

Hi Katie,

I let Ruth and Galen know I won't be attending the meeting tomorrow; we
have an important internal meeting going on at Bibliomation.

I know that Galen wants to look over the Pheeploop agreement once more
because the agreement they sent me includes up to two years of access on
the platform.

The only other note is an adjustment in the budget.  We discovered we can
save around $2,000 if we go with a different package of captioning services
that SyncWords Live offers, and the cataloging interest group proposed we
use any money saved to bring in Mike Reese from Marc Edit.  So I edited the
captioning quotation and slotted out another quotation under the keynote
honorarium for another guest speaker.  I don't know if that needs board
approval or not, but it should be mentioned.

Sorry that I'm throwing this at everyone at the last minute!  Let me know
if you have any questions.

 2024 Conference Budget Proposal (Board Review)
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sf0iLjAvcT6Ab9hlFJCr0iP2qdlyIEF6iEyOQjuZHs4/edit?usp=drive_web>
.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 9:23 AM Katie Greenleaf Martin via
Evergreen-general  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> The Evergreen Project Board will be meeting Thursday, October 19 at 11
> a.m. PT / 1 p.m. CT / 2 p.m. ET.
>
>
>
> The agenda and connection details for the meeting are at
> https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2023-10-19
>
> This meeting is public and community members are encouraged to attend.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Katie, TEP Secretary
>
>
>
>
>
> *Katie Greenleaf Martin *(she/her), *Executive Director*
>
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[Evergreen-general] The Evergreen Project Board meeting tomorrow

[Katie Greenleaf Martin via Evergreen-general]

Hello all,



The Evergreen Project Board will be meeting Thursday, October 19 at 11 a.m. PT 
/ 1 p.m. CT / 2 p.m. ET.



The agenda and connection details for the meeting are at 
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2023-10-19

This meeting is public and community members are encouraged to attend.

Thanks!
Katie, TEP Secretary


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[BUG] Parser error: Invalid search bound (wrong side of point) [9.7 (9.7-??-e90a8a69a @ /home/user/.emacs.d/.local/straight/build-29.1/org/)]

[General discussions about Org-mode.]

Hello,
I ran `C-c C-x C-l` to create a LaTeX preview of the following inline fragment 
in an Org document: $\text{CaCo}_3$, and this bug happened. This is my first 
bug report so let me know if anything else is necessary.
- Lorenzo



Emacs  : GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.24, 
cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2023-08-24
Package: Org mode version 9.7 (9.7-??-e90a8a69a @ 
/home/user/.emacs.d/.local/straight/build-29.1/org/)

current state:
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[Jgeneral] Report of the J wiki meeting of October 12

['robert therriault' via General]

== Report of Meeting 2023-09-21 ==

Present: Ed Gottsman, Raul Miller, and Bob Therriault

Full transcripts of this meeting are now available on the its wiki page. 
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki/Report_of_Meeting_2023-10-12

1) Bob reports that he did not do much on the wiki while on vacation, but is 
heartened to see the contributions that Cameron Chandoke has been making, 
particularly in the are of Modifier trains 
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Talk:Vocabulary/ModifierTrains.

2) Ed has been traveling as well, although he has been looking for a Linux box 
for testing. He is wondering if WSL2 is an acceptable testing venue for Linux 
on a Windows box. There was further investigations about ways to create User 
ID's to run J in a Linux sandbox. Raul feels that there are a lot of challenges 
in testing a UI application. This lead to questions to whether the J Wiki 
Viewer should be released for J9.5 as there are challenges J9.5's version of 
JQt with regard to isigraph. This may present issues with developing the viewer 
for new versions of JQt going forward. Bob mentioned that for Jig he uses an 
umbrella script to load different scripts based on the Users J version as there 
are challenges with tooltips with different versions of JQt.

3) Bob mentioned that he used the J Wiki Viewer very effectively to do research 
on Jose Mario Quintana's wicked toolkit 
https://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2017-October/049263.html for 
the podcast episode on Modifier Trains. There have been other reports of users 
expressing surprise at the depth of the Wiki through using the J Wiki Viewer.

4)A deeper discussion followed on whether the J Wiki Viewer should be supported 
for the J9.5 beta. Ed was concerned that users might be discouraged with their 
first impression if it was J9.4. The application is solid in J9.4, but J9.5 is 
shaky. Bob feels that as a beta it should be expected that there will be bugs 
and that information for beta users should be that if they are using the viewer 
in a production environment then the J9.4 version would be preferred.  
5)Ed has been doing updates to the wiki database every week instead of daily 
and wondered if this would be an issue as he is nearing the limits of free use 
of AWS. Bob felt that he is more concerned with historical information and uses 
the forums and the APL farm for breaking news, but that users should be 
informed about how current the information is used. Raul felt that a message on 
the UI regarding the last update and next update would be appropriate. Bob 
wondered if Jsoftware might be willing to pick up a minimal cost for AWS if the 
value of the J wiki view is worthwhile. Ed says that the primary benefit of the 
application is that its development keeps him sane.  
   For access to previous meeting reports 
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development

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contact us on the general forum and we will get you an invitation to the next J 
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Re: command line tool for this task?

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I use pine here and alpine for the office, do those count?



On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


Tim here.  Yep, assuming you use mail(1) to read your mail and have
it configured to send mail for you, you should be able create a
template and send mail by creating a shell-script like

$ cat send_thanks.sh
#!/bin/sh
EMAIL="$1"
SUBJECT="$2"
NAME="$3"
GIFT="$4"
mail -s "$SUBJECT" "$EMAIL" <
Is this program a part of the standard Linux shell therefore likely to be a
part of  Shellworld using Ubuntu?
Kare



On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


Have you considered using a here document in a shell script, with
variables that can be supplied for those parts of the text that change?

https://www.baeldung.com/linux/heredoc-herestring

On 16/10/23 14:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hi folks,
Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service,
specifically shellworld.net

what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create a
file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email.
What I mean is this.
I have the name and email of a contributor.?? I create the body, but wish
to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc.
Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of
solution?
thanks,
Karen


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Re: command line tool for this task?

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Tim here.  Yep, assuming you use mail(1) to read your mail and have
it configured to send mail for you, you should be able create a
template and send mail by creating a shell-script like

$ cat send_thanks.sh
#!/bin/sh
EMAIL="$1"
SUBJECT="$2"
NAME="$3"
GIFT="$4"
mail -s "$SUBJECT" "$EMAIL" < Is this program a part of the standard Linux shell therefore likely to be a
> part of  Shellworld using Ubuntu?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> >Have you considered using a here document in a shell script, with
> >variables that can be supplied for those parts of the text that change?
> >
> >https://www.baeldung.com/linux/heredoc-herestring
> >
> >On 16/10/23 14:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >> Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service,
> >> specifically shellworld.net
> >>
> >> what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create a
> >> file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email.
> >> What I mean is this.
> >> I have the name and email of a contributor.?? I create the body, but wish
> >> to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc.
> >> Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of
> >> solution?
> >> thanks,
> >> Karen
> >>
> >>
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Re: command line tool for this task?

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On 16/10/23 15:15, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Is this program a part of the standard Linux shell therefore likely to 
be a part of  Shellworld using Ubuntu?



It's standard shell syntax, and has been for decades.

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Re: command line tool for this task?

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Is this program a part of the standard Linux shell therefore likely to be 
a part of  Shellworld using Ubuntu?

Kare



On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Have you considered using a here document in a shell script, with variables 
that can be supplied for those parts of the text that change?


https://www.baeldung.com/linux/heredoc-herestring

On 16/10/23 14:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

 Hi folks,
 Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service,
 specifically shellworld.net

 what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create a
 file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email.
 What I mean is this.
 I have the name and email of a contributor.  I create the body, but wish
 to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc.
 Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of
 solution?
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Re: command line tool for this task?

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Have you considered using a here document in a shell script, with 
variables that can be supplied for those parts of the text that change?


https://www.baeldung.com/linux/heredoc-herestring

On 16/10/23 14:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hi folks,
Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service, 
specifically shellworld.net


what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create 
a file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email.

What I mean is this.
I have the name and email of a contributor.  I create the body, but 
wish to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc.
Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of 
solution?

thanks,
Karen


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command line tool for this task?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi folks,
Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service, 
specifically shellworld.net


what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create 
a file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email.

What I mean is this.
I have the name and email of a contributor.  I create the body, but wish 
to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc.
Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of 
solution?

thanks,
Karen


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[Evergreen-general] Patron Registration screen

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Looking for examples of ways to integrate the self-registration screen on
our website. Please send me any of your examples. (Integrations with Quipu,
Smarty or any other vendors is also appreciated.)


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UMAI v0.4.1: Welcome on Ubuntu Mate 23.10!

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Hello everyone,
ubuntu Mate 23.10 is a fresh release of the popular Linux distribution, 
shipping the latest and greatest the Linux accessibility infrastructure 
can offer.

I'm happy to announce my umai script:
https://github.com/RastislavKish/umai

for auto-setting-up UM for accessibility, now supports also this new 
release of Ubuntu.

I apologize for a slight delay, I wanted to make sure everything works 
as expected.
My tests show very satisfying results, so I can't but say "Hey everyone, 
welcome on Ubuntu Mate 23.10!"

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Re: [Evergreen-general] Activating POs stopped working a few days after 3.11 upgrade

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You're very welcome! I'm glad that it turned out to be helpful!

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On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 10:19 AM Josh Stompro 
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> Hello Tiffany, Woo Hoo, Thank you thank you thank you.  That did it.  We
> setup a new workstation when we upgraded, and didn't have any of those
> activation sticky settings set again.  And after 7 years of never having to
> change something, it just isn't something we noticed.
>
> Thank you for saving me from having to stare at log files for the next few
> hours.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 8:59 AM Josh Stompro 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Tiffany,  Thank you for the suggestions, we will try them out.
>>
>> We just realized that all our tests before we migrated, and the
>> successful orders were re-orders, so the activation didn't need to pull in
>> new records as part of the process.  So that narrows it down to being
>> record loading related also.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 8:54 AM Tiffany Little <
>> tlit...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Josh,
>>>
>>> My *guess* is that since your line items didn't link up to records, the
>>> call number is unblessed because in the create_volume routine above it
>>> couldn't create the call number because there's no eg_bib_id.
>>>
>>> Here's some spaghetti to throw at the wall to see if any of this has
>>> merit:
>>>
>>> 1. If all of the line items are not importing/linking to bib records, is
>>> there a Record Match Set and Merge Profile assigned in the Load MARC Order
>>> Record form?
>>> 2. Is "Import Non-Matching Records" checked on your Load MARC Order
>>> Records form?
>>>
>>> I was able to recreate that console error if:
>>>
>>>- My line items weren't already linked to a bib record
>>>- Import Non-Matching Records was unchecked
>>>
>>> Hope that gives you something to test, at least!
>>>
>>> Tiffany
>>>
>>> Tiffany Little, PINES Bibliographic Projects Manager
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
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>>>
>>> 2872 Woodcock Blvd, Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30341
>>>
>>> (404) 235-7161 | tlit...@georgialibraries.org
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 9:35 AM Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general <
>>> evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, I'm looking for troubleshooting advice.  We upgraded to 3.11 on
>>>> Saturday, and for the first two days we were open (10/10 and 10/11) new
>>>> orders worked fine.  EDI messages generated and sent to B, B generated
>>>> responses.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday afternoon my coworker that handles acquisitions and
>>>> cataloging let me know that a new order wasn't activating.
>>>>
>>>> When the activate button is pressed, the progress monitor shows up and
>>>> then just never progresses.
>>>>
>>>> I'm seeing this error in the browser console
>>>> open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
>>>> main.b8a502bab34034e4.js:3 open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
>>>> failed! stat=500 msg= *** Call to
>>>> [open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create] failed for session
>>>> [0.02870213615847651697142215691], thread trace [0]:
>>>> Can't call method "id" on unblessed reference at
>>>> /usr/local/share/perl/5.36.0/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm line 1350.
>>>>
>>>> That is in the create_copy function
>>>> <https://gitlab.com/LARL/evergreen-larl/-/blob/rel_3_11_1-larl/Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm?ref_type=heads#L1341>
>>>> "$copy->call_number($volume->id);"
>>>>
>>>> The import queue has all the titles sitting there saying that they are
>>>> not imported.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to compare the logs of a successful activation from the 1

Re: [Evergreen-general] Activating POs stopped working a few days after 3.11 upgrade

[Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general]

Hello Tiffany, Woo Hoo, Thank you thank you thank you.  That did it.  We
setup a new workstation when we upgraded, and didn't have any of those
activation sticky settings set again.  And after 7 years of never having to
change something, it just isn't something we noticed.

Thank you for saving me from having to stare at log files for the next few
hours.

Josh




On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 8:59 AM Josh Stompro 
wrote:

> Hello Tiffany,  Thank you for the suggestions, we will try them out.
>
> We just realized that all our tests before we migrated, and the
> successful orders were re-orders, so the activation didn't need to pull in
> new records as part of the process.  So that narrows it down to being
> record loading related also.
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 8:54 AM Tiffany Little <
> tlit...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Josh,
>>
>> My *guess* is that since your line items didn't link up to records, the
>> call number is unblessed because in the create_volume routine above it
>> couldn't create the call number because there's no eg_bib_id.
>>
>> Here's some spaghetti to throw at the wall to see if any of this has
>> merit:
>>
>> 1. If all of the line items are not importing/linking to bib records, is
>> there a Record Match Set and Merge Profile assigned in the Load MARC Order
>> Record form?
>> 2. Is "Import Non-Matching Records" checked on your Load MARC Order
>> Records form?
>>
>> I was able to recreate that console error if:
>>
>>- My line items weren't already linked to a bib record
>>- Import Non-Matching Records was unchecked
>>
>> Hope that gives you something to test, at least!
>>
>> Tiffany
>>
>> Tiffany Little, PINES Bibliographic Projects Manager
>>
>> --
>>
>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>
>> 2872 Woodcock Blvd, Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30341
>>
>> (404) 235-7161 | tlit...@georgialibraries.org
>>
>> Join our email list <http://georgialibraries.org/> for stories of
>> Georgia libraries making an impact in our communities.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 9:35 AM Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general <
>> evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I'm looking for troubleshooting advice.  We upgraded to 3.11 on
>>> Saturday, and for the first two days we were open (10/10 and 10/11) new
>>> orders worked fine.  EDI messages generated and sent to B, B generated
>>> responses.
>>>
>>> On Thursday afternoon my coworker that handles acquisitions and
>>> cataloging let me know that a new order wasn't activating.
>>>
>>> When the activate button is pressed, the progress monitor shows up and
>>> then just never progresses.
>>>
>>> I'm seeing this error in the browser console
>>> open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
>>> main.b8a502bab34034e4.js:3 open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
>>> failed! stat=500 msg= *** Call to
>>> [open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create] failed for session
>>> [0.02870213615847651697142215691], thread trace [0]:
>>> Can't call method "id" on unblessed reference at
>>> /usr/local/share/perl/5.36.0/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm line 1350.
>>>
>>> That is in the create_copy function
>>> <https://gitlab.com/LARL/evergreen-larl/-/blob/rel_3_11_1-larl/Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm?ref_type=heads#L1341>
>>> "$copy->call_number($volume->id);"
>>>
>>> The import queue has all the titles sitting there saying that they are
>>> not imported.
>>>
>>> I'm going to compare the logs of a successful activation from the 11th
>>> with the first activation attempt yesterday and see if i can spot the
>>> difference.  But if anyone has run into this and is familiar with it and
>>> can recommend somewhere to look, I would appreciate it.
>>>
>>> This happened to one PO with 7 line items, and then we tried a simple
>>> one with just one line item and the same issue happened.
>>> Thanks
>>>  Josh
>>> [image: Company logo]
>>> *Josh Stompro*
>>> IT Director
>>> stomp...@gsuite.larl.org | 218-233-3757 ext. 139 | 218-790-2110
>>> *Lake Agassiz Regional Library *
>>> 118 5th ST S
>>> Moorhead MN 56560
>>> www.larl.org
>>> *Our mission is to enrich lives and strengthen communities.*
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Re: [Evergreen-general] Activating POs stopped working a few days after 3.11 upgrade

[Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general]

Hello Tiffany,  Thank you for the suggestions, we will try them out.

We just realized that all our tests before we migrated, and the
successful orders were re-orders, so the activation didn't need to pull in
new records as part of the process.  So that narrows it down to being
record loading related also.

Josh

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 8:54 AM Tiffany Little 
wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> My *guess* is that since your line items didn't link up to records, the
> call number is unblessed because in the create_volume routine above it
> couldn't create the call number because there's no eg_bib_id.
>
> Here's some spaghetti to throw at the wall to see if any of this has merit:
>
> 1. If all of the line items are not importing/linking to bib records, is
> there a Record Match Set and Merge Profile assigned in the Load MARC Order
> Record form?
> 2. Is "Import Non-Matching Records" checked on your Load MARC Order
> Records form?
>
> I was able to recreate that console error if:
>
>- My line items weren't already linked to a bib record
>- Import Non-Matching Records was unchecked
>
> Hope that gives you something to test, at least!
>
> Tiffany
>
> Tiffany Little, PINES Bibliographic Projects Manager
>
> --
>
> Georgia Public Library Service
>
> 2872 Woodcock Blvd, Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30341
>
> (404) 235-7161 | tlit...@georgialibraries.org
>
> Join our email list <http://georgialibraries.org/> for stories of Georgia
> libraries making an impact in our communities.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 9:35 AM Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general <
> evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello, I'm looking for troubleshooting advice.  We upgraded to 3.11 on
>> Saturday, and for the first two days we were open (10/10 and 10/11) new
>> orders worked fine.  EDI messages generated and sent to B, B generated
>> responses.
>>
>> On Thursday afternoon my coworker that handles acquisitions and
>> cataloging let me know that a new order wasn't activating.
>>
>> When the activate button is pressed, the progress monitor shows up and
>> then just never progresses.
>>
>> I'm seeing this error in the browser console
>> open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
>> main.b8a502bab34034e4.js:3 open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
>> failed! stat=500 msg= *** Call to
>> [open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create] failed for session
>> [0.02870213615847651697142215691], thread trace [0]:
>> Can't call method "id" on unblessed reference at
>> /usr/local/share/perl/5.36.0/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm line 1350.
>>
>> That is in the create_copy function
>> <https://gitlab.com/LARL/evergreen-larl/-/blob/rel_3_11_1-larl/Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm?ref_type=heads#L1341>
>> "$copy->call_number($volume->id);"
>>
>> The import queue has all the titles sitting there saying that they are
>> not imported.
>>
>> I'm going to compare the logs of a successful activation from the 11th
>> with the first activation attempt yesterday and see if i can spot the
>> difference.  But if anyone has run into this and is familiar with it and
>> can recommend somewhere to look, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> This happened to one PO with 7 line items, and then we tried a simple one
>> with just one line item and the same issue happened.
>> Thanks
>>  Josh
>> [image: Company logo]
>> *Josh Stompro*
>> IT Director
>> stomp...@gsuite.larl.org | 218-233-3757 ext. 139 | 218-790-2110
>> *Lake Agassiz Regional Library *
>> 118 5th ST S
>> Moorhead MN 56560
>> www.larl.org
>> *Our mission is to enrich lives and strengthen communities.*
>> ___
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Re: [Evergreen-general] Activating POs stopped working a few days after 3.11 upgrade

[Tiffany Little via Evergreen-general]

Hi Josh,

My *guess* is that since your line items didn't link up to records, the
call number is unblessed because in the create_volume routine above it
couldn't create the call number because there's no eg_bib_id.

Here's some spaghetti to throw at the wall to see if any of this has merit:

1. If all of the line items are not importing/linking to bib records, is
there a Record Match Set and Merge Profile assigned in the Load MARC Order
Record form?
2. Is "Import Non-Matching Records" checked on your Load MARC Order Records
form?

I was able to recreate that console error if:

   - My line items weren't already linked to a bib record
   - Import Non-Matching Records was unchecked

Hope that gives you something to test, at least!

Tiffany

Tiffany Little, PINES Bibliographic Projects Manager

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On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 9:35 AM Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general <
evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:

> Hello, I'm looking for troubleshooting advice.  We upgraded to 3.11 on
> Saturday, and for the first two days we were open (10/10 and 10/11) new
> orders worked fine.  EDI messages generated and sent to B, B generated
> responses.
>
> On Thursday afternoon my coworker that handles acquisitions and cataloging
> let me know that a new order wasn't activating.
>
> When the activate button is pressed, the progress monitor shows up and
> then just never progresses.
>
> I'm seeing this error in the browser console
> open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
> main.b8a502bab34034e4.js:3 open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
> failed! stat=500 msg= *** Call to
> [open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create] failed for session
> [0.02870213615847651697142215691], thread trace [0]:
> Can't call method "id" on unblessed reference at
> /usr/local/share/perl/5.36.0/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm line 1350.
>
> That is in the create_copy function
> <https://gitlab.com/LARL/evergreen-larl/-/blob/rel_3_11_1-larl/Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm?ref_type=heads#L1341>
> "$copy->call_number($volume->id);"
>
> The import queue has all the titles sitting there saying that they are not
> imported.
>
> I'm going to compare the logs of a successful activation from the 11th
> with the first activation attempt yesterday and see if i can spot the
> difference.  But if anyone has run into this and is familiar with it and
> can recommend somewhere to look, I would appreciate it.
>
> This happened to one PO with 7 line items, and then we tried a simple one
> with just one line item and the same issue happened.
> Thanks
>  Josh
> [image: Company logo]
> *Josh Stompro*
> IT Director
> stomp...@gsuite.larl.org | 218-233-3757 ext. 139 | 218-790-2110
> *Lake Agassiz Regional Library *
> 118 5th ST S
> Moorhead MN 56560
> www.larl.org
> *Our mission is to enrich lives and strengthen communities.*
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[Evergreen-general] Activating POs stopped working a few days after 3.11 upgrade

[Josh Stompro via Evergreen-general]

Hello, I'm looking for troubleshooting advice.  We upgraded to 3.11 on
Saturday, and for the first two days we were open (10/10 and 10/11) new
orders worked fine.  EDI messages generated and sent to B, B generated
responses.

On Thursday afternoon my coworker that handles acquisitions and cataloging
let me know that a new order wasn't activating.

When the activate button is pressed, the progress monitor shows up and then
just never progresses.

I'm seeing this error in the browser console
open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
main.b8a502bab34034e4.js:3 open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create
failed! stat=500 msg= *** Call to
[open-ils.acq.purchase_order.assets.create] failed for session
[0.02870213615847651697142215691], thread trace [0]:
Can't call method "id" on unblessed reference at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.36.0/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm line 1350.

That is in the create_copy function
<https://gitlab.com/LARL/evergreen-larl/-/blob/rel_3_11_1-larl/Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Application/Acq/Order.pm?ref_type=heads#L1341>
"$copy->call_number($volume->id);"

The import queue has all the titles sitting there saying that they are not
imported.

I'm going to compare the logs of a successful activation from the 11th with
the first activation attempt yesterday and see if i can spot the
difference.  But if anyone has run into this and is familiar with it and
can recommend somewhere to look, I would appreciate it.

This happened to one PO with 7 line items, and then we tried a simple one
with just one line item and the same issue happened.
Thanks
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[Evergreen-general] Documentation Interest Group (DIG) Meeting this Thursday, October 12!

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DIG is meeting on Thursday, October 12, at 11 a.m. PDT / 2 p.m. EDT on Zoom.

Here is the agenda:
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If you have anything else to add, feel free to do so directly, or let me
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You can find minutes from our previous meetings at
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I hope to see you soon!

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[Evergreen-general] Evergreen Cataloging Interest Group – Today!

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*Cataloging Interest Group in October*

The Evergreen Cataloging Interest Group will meet today on *Tuesday,
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Everyone is welcome – please join us! The meeting will be recorded for any
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*Evergreen Cataloging Interest Group*

*Tuesday, October 10, 2023*

*2:00pm ET*



*Meeting Agenda:* https://bit.ly/45s1lo1



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*Topic:** Monograph Parts – Part 2*

We will continue our two-part series on Monograph Parts. This month, we
will share notes from last month’s discussion and turn our attention to
Monograph Parts Reports, Training, and future needs.



We'll also briefly review Launchpad Bugs related to the Angular Staff
Catalog as we near the end of another year.



If anyone has anything they want specifically included on the agenda,
please let me know.



We hope to see you there!

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[rosedu-general] Linux Install Fest 2023 - Sâmbătă, 14 octombrie 2023, ora 10:00, hol EC, ACS

[Razvan Deaconescu via rosedu-general]

Salutare.

În cadrul ROSEdu / Facultatea de Automatică și Calculatoare /
Universitatea POLITEHNCA din București (are un nume nou, dar e prea
lung) pornim evenimentele din acest an cu Linux Install Fest (LIF)
(2023, ediția a 15-a[1]). LIF 2023 are loc sâmbătă, 14 octombrie 2023.
Intervalul așteptat pentru desfășurare este 10:00-16:00 în hol EC. Un
parteneriat între ROSEdu, Keysight România, Facultatea de Automatică
și Calculatoare și Tech Lounge.

Publicul țintă sunt studenții de anul 1 care fac USO, deci vor avea
șansa să folosească Linux vrând-nevrând.

Evenimentul are ca țintă încurajarea studenților să își instaleze și
să folosească Linux pe sistemele proprii. Astfel, putem să mărim
comunitatea utilizatorilor de Linux și să încurajăm studenții să
folosească Linux ca sistemul lor de operare.

În mod implicit, vom instala Ubuntu 22.04 LTS pe sistemele studenților
și vom depana sistemul instalat dacă ceva nu a mers.
Dacă doriți și puteți să participați la eveniment în rol de asistenți
/ mentori / tutori (dăm la schimb tricouri și pizza), vă rugăm să
înscrieți la acest link[2]. Și să dați join canalului #lif pe Slack-ul
ROSEdu[3].

[1] https://www.facebook.com/events/3590199204602223
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[3] 
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Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

As root or root using sudo:
usermod -aG brlapi 
where  is the name of the user account to be added to the brlapi
group.
Then reboot.
As the user, type groups 
and you should see brlapi as a group your user is in then.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> You should make sure your user is part of the brlapi  group. Since this a USB 
> display, it should automatically be detected, and then work in orca, once you 
> check the box in the braille tab of preferences.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Linux for blind general discussion 
> To: Linux for blind general discussion 
> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:59:23 -0400
> Subject: Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
>
> > Have you run brltty yet?  That's usually what enables braille in linux and
> > I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific
> > switches to use to get your display running.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided 
> > > regarding my choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is 
> > > because this is what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q 
> > > ancient knowledge in terms of using Linux.
> > >
> > > I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used 
> > > a remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the 
> > > visual information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into 
> > > a virtual machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist 
> > > in installing and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is 
> > > figure out how to enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think 
> > > it might be easier to attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I 
> > > don't think orca has any type of really usable braille driver for my 
> > > particular display. I of course could be wrong. I am currently using a 
> > > Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell version. But the 20 cell 
> > > version has one additional issue that might cause more problems than 
> > > could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual physical hard drive 
> > > like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora 
> > > might identify it as? Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in 
> > > Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation 
> > > software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by 
> > > hand I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make 
> > > anything that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability 
> > > in addition to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. 
> > > Which forces me to use dictation software. So if there's something that 
> > > I've written in the text of this message, that doesn't make sense please 
> > > reach out to me and asked me what did I really intend to say? Here is 
> > > hoping all are having a good Monday?
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Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

You should make sure your user is part of the brlapi  group. Since this a USB 
display, it should automatically be detected, and then work in orca, once you 
check the box in the braille tab of preferences.

- Original Message -
From: Linux for blind general discussion 
To: Linux for blind general discussion 
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:59:23 -0400
Subject: Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?

> Have you run brltty yet?  That's usually what enables braille in linux and
> I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific
> switches to use to get your display running.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding 
> > my choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this 
> > is what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge 
> > in terms of using Linux.
> >
> > I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a 
> > remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual 
> > information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a 
> > virtual machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in 
> > installing and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure 
> > out how to enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might 
> > be easier to attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think 
> > orca has any type of really usable braille driver for my particular 
> > display. I of course could be wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI 
> > 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell version. But the 20 cell version has one 
> > additional issue that might cause more problems than could be solved in 
> > Linux. This device has an actual physical hard drive like appearance in 
> > both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora might identify it as? 
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in 
> > Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation 
> > software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by 
> > hand I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make 
> > anything that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in 
> > addition to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which 
> > forces me to use dictation software. So if there's something that I've 
> > written in the text of this message, that doesn't make sense please reach 
> > out to me and asked me what did I really intend to say? Here is hoping all 
> > are having a good Monday?
> >
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Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Have you run brltty yet?  That's usually what enables braille in linux and
I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific
switches to use to get your display running.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding my 
> choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this is 
> what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge in 
> terms of using Linux.
>
> I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a 
> remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual 
> information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a virtual 
> machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in installing 
> and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure out how to 
> enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might be easier to 
> attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think orca has any 
> type of really usable braille driver for my particular display. I of course 
> could be wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the 
> 20 cell version. But the 20 cell version has one additional issue that might 
> cause more problems than could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual 
> physical hard drive like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know 
> just how Fedora might identify it as? Any thoughts?
>
> Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in 
> Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation 
> software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by hand 
> I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make anything 
> that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in addition 
> to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which forces me to 
> use dictation software. So if there's something that I've written in the text 
> of this message, that doesn't make sense please reach out to me and asked me 
> what did I really intend to say? Here is hoping all are having a good Monday?
>
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My Linux installation decision, and some questions?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding my 
choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this is what 
I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge in terms of 
using Linux.

I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a 
remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual 
information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a virtual 
machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in installing 
and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure out how to 
enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might be easier to 
attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think orca has any type 
of really usable braille driver for my particular display. I of course could be 
wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell 
version. But the 20 cell version has one additional issue that might cause more 
problems than could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual physical hard 
drive like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora 
might identify it as? Any thoughts?

Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in 
Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation software 
that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by hand I think 
the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make anything that I write 
by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in addition to being 
DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which forces me to use 
dictation software. So if there's something that I've written in the text of 
this message, that doesn't make sense please reach out to me and asked me what 
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Re: Debian with Orca

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    The pipewire-pulse process is a replacement for pulse audio 
functionality.



On 10/9/23 03:54, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hi,

The default setting in Bookworm is to have in 
/etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf:
AudioOutputMethod "pulse"
Pipewire is not listed among the possibilities and after having started orca,
"ps -ef | grep pipewire" come empty. Orca --version says: 43.1

So if pipewire can be used in this context (which I do not know), this is not
out of the box.

Cheers,
Didier


Le 09/10/2023 à 04:34, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :

d    I think Bookworm uses Pipewire, so on my system there is a process called
pipewire-pulse.  I don't think you have to have pulse audio running at all.  I
may have disabled it using 'systemctl' or uninstalled it, but I can't remember
at the moment.



On 10/8/23 10:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hi,

I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so
tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop.

Orca was already installed, but not started in mate

  From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root:
apt-get install espeakup.

Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with:
speakup_soft

I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual
sound card and did not care for which voice to use.

Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking in
this console.

But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console.

This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default setting
in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in
/etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer,
thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card:

load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix


This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly.

However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as stated in
the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods.

Cheers,
Didier

Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :

  In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure 
Speakup
or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active.  It works just fine with Speakup.
You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ.

This is the section on Speech support.

https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support

ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text
console and have both working at the same time.



On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian
Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been
trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity
thumb drive.  The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as
twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it
was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in
the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh
logins from another computer using the command-line or console
mode.

  Orca never did anything except an occasional halting
error message.

  Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb
drive and decided to try that.  The twelve-hour marathon reduced
to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well
as it does on a desktop system, here.  The real problem was the
slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive.  The
orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast
and all seems well so far.

  Now for some questions:

  I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have
been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss
having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if
I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box.

  This is the standard debian install installation image
one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without
any special measures such as installing a usb sound card .  On
some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2
and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1.  I think there are
maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks.  On
this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to
exit.  One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems
to happen.  Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I
want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining.  If
necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and
install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this
is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable.
Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh
host key unless one copies the same key to all instances.
Otherwise the syste

Re: Debian with Orca

[Linux for blind general discussion]

As I understand it, pipewire hit maturity early enough to be included
in Debian 12 aka Bookworm, but too late to replace pulse as the
default, and one has to manually install pipewire and configure Debian
to use it instead of pulse(though I suppose its possible the Expert
mode of the Debian Installer provides the option)... I vaguely
remember reading somewhere(perhaps on this mailing list or in a thread
on the Audio Games forum) that Debian plans to make pipewire the
default for Debian 13 aka Trixie, but I have no idea if that's true or
even how to go about confirming or denying it.

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[Evergreen-general] Developer meeting reminder: October 10th at 3pm Eastern, 12 Pacific

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All,

A friendly reminder that we'll have our Evergreen dev meeting in IRC 
tomorrow, October 10th at 3pm Eastern, 12 Pacific.


Agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2023-10-10

The agenda is a little light, feel free to add.

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Re: Debian with Orca

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi,

The default setting in Bookworm is to have in 
/etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf:
AudioOutputMethod "pulse"
Pipewire is not listed among the possibilities and after having started orca,
"ps -ef | grep pipewire" come empty. Orca --version says: 43.1

So if pipewire can be used in this context (which I do not know), this is not
out of the box.

Cheers,
Didier


Le 09/10/2023 à 04:34, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> d    I think Bookworm uses Pipewire, so on my system there is a process called
> pipewire-pulse.  I don't think you have to have pulse audio running at all.  I
> may have disabled it using 'systemctl' or uninstalled it, but I can't remember
> at the moment.
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/8/23 10:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so
>> tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop.
>>
>> Orca was already installed, but not started in mate
>>
>>  From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root:
>> apt-get install espeakup.
>>
>> Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with:
>> speakup_soft
>>
>> I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual
>> sound card and did not care for which voice to use.
>>
>> Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking 
>> in
>> this console.
>>
>> But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console.
>>
>> This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default 
>> setting
>> in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in
>> /etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer,
>> thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card:
>>
>> load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix
>>
>>
>> This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly.
>>
>> However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as 
>> stated in
>> the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Didier
>>
>> Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>>>  In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure 
>>> Speakup
>>> or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active.  It works just fine with 
>>> Speakup.
>>> You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ.
>>>
>>> This is the section on Speech support.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support
>>>
>>> ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text
>>> console and have both working at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian
>>>> Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been
>>>> trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity
>>>> thumb drive.  The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as
>>>> twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it
>>>> was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in
>>>> the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh
>>>> logins from another computer using the command-line or console
>>>> mode.
>>>>
>>>>  Orca never did anything except an occasional halting
>>>> error message.
>>>>
>>>>  Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb
>>>> drive and decided to try that.  The twelve-hour marathon reduced
>>>> to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well
>>>> as it does on a desktop system, here.  The real problem was the
>>>> slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive.  The
>>>> orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast
>>>> and all seems well so far.
>>>>
>>>>  Now for some questions:
>>>>
>>>>  I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have
>>>> been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss
>>>> having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if
>>>> I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box.
>>>>
>>>>  This is the standard debian install installation

Re: Debian with Orca

[Linux for blind general discussion]

d    I think Bookworm uses Pipewire, so on my system there is a process 
called pipewire-pulse.  I don't think you have to have pulse audio 
running at all.  I may have disabled it using 'systemctl' or uninstalled 
it, but I can't remember at the moment.




On 10/8/23 10:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hi,

I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so
tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop.

Orca was already installed, but not started in mate

 From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root:
apt-get install espeakup.

Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with:
speakup_soft

I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual
sound card and did not care for which voice to use.

Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking in
this console.

But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console.

This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default setting
in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in
/etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer,
thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card:

load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix


This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly.

However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as stated in
the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods.

Cheers,
Didier

Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :

     In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure Speakup
or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active.  It works just fine with Speakup.
You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ.

This is the section on Speech support.

https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support

ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text
console and have both working at the same time.



On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian
Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been
trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity
thumb drive.  The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as
twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it
was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in
the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh
logins from another computer using the command-line or console
mode.

 Orca never did anything except an occasional halting
error message.

 Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb
drive and decided to try that.  The twelve-hour marathon reduced
to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well
as it does on a desktop system, here.  The real problem was the
slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive.  The
orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast
and all seems well so far.

 Now for some questions:

 I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have
been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss
having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if
I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box.

 This is the standard debian install installation image
one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without
any special measures such as installing a usb sound card .  On
some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2
and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1.  I think there are
maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks.  On
this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to
exit.  One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems
to happen.  Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I
want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining.  If
necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and
install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this
is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable.
Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh
host key unless one copies the same key to all instances.
Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to talk to think
something's wrong when they see the different host keys.

 I would also like to say some good words about slint.  I
was able to get a command-line set of consoles but the only way I
could get anything to talk was to plug in a usb sound card.  One
such card was a Creative Labs SoundBlaster series usb sound card
which worked perfectly for the speakup voice plus I also tried
another very inexpensive sound card which also worked with no
difference between the Creative Labs and the sound card whose
name escapes me, but slint couldn't automatically find this
laptop's

Re: Debian with Orca

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Storm_Dragon ought to be the one to fix that deficiency since he wrote
fenrir.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Certainly those Debian instructions are interesting reading-and-guidance, but
> while there is 1 mention of Fenrir as a link to where Debian packages are,
> there seems no adequate description as there is for Speakup.
> Chime
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Re: Debian with Orca

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Certainly those Debian instructions are interesting reading-and-guidance, but 
while there is 1 mention of Fenrir as a link to where Debian packages are, 
there seems no adequate description as there is for Speakup.

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Re: Debian with Orca

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Hi,

I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so
tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop.

Orca was already installed, but not started in mate

From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root:
apt-get install espeakup.

Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with:
speakup_soft

I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual
sound card and did not care for which voice to use.

Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking in
this console.

But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console.

This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default setting
in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in
/etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer,
thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card:

load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix


This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly.

However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as stated in
the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods.

Cheers,
Didier

Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>     In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure 
> Speakup
> or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active.  It works just fine with 
> Speakup. 
> You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ.
> 
> This is the section on Speech support.
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support
> 
> ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text
> console and have both working at the same time.
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian
>> Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been
>> trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity
>> thumb drive.  The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as
>> twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it
>> was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in
>> the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh
>> logins from another computer using the command-line or console
>> mode.
>>
>> Orca never did anything except an occasional halting
>> error message.
>>
>> Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb
>> drive and decided to try that.  The twelve-hour marathon reduced
>> to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well
>> as it does on a desktop system, here.  The real problem was the
>> slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive.  The
>> orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast
>> and all seems well so far.
>>
>> Now for some questions:
>>
>> I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have
>> been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss
>> having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if
>> I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box.
>>
>> This is the standard debian install installation image
>> one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without
>> any special measures such as installing a usb sound card .  On
>> some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2
>> and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1.  I think there are
>> maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks.  On
>> this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to
>> exit.  One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems
>> to happen.  Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I
>> want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining.  If
>> necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and
>> install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this
>> is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable.
>> Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh
>> host key unless one copies the same key to all instances.
>> Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to talk to think
>> something's wrong when they see the different host keys.
>>
>> I would also like to say some good words about slint.  I
>> was able to get a command-line set of consoles but the only way I
>> could get anything to talk was to plug in a usb sound card.  One
>> such card was a Creative Labs SoundBlaster series usb sound card
>> which worked perfectly for the speakup voice pl

Re: Debian with Orca

[Linux for blind general discussion]

    In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure 
Speakup or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active.  It works just fine 
with Speakup.  You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ.


This is the section on Speech support.

https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support

ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a 
text console and have both working at the same time.




On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian
Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been
trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity
thumb drive.  The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as
twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it
was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in
the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh
logins from another computer using the command-line or console
mode.

Orca never did anything except an occasional halting
error message.

Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb
drive and decided to try that.  The twelve-hour marathon reduced
to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well
as it does on a desktop system, here.  The real problem was the
slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive.  The
orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast
and all seems well so far.

Now for some questions:

I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have
been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss
having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if
I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box.

This is the standard debian install installation image
one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without
any special measures such as installing a usb sound card .  On
some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2
and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1.  I think there are
maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks.  On
this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to
exit.  One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems
to happen.  Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I
want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining.  If
necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and
install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this
is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable.
Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh
host key unless one copies the same key to all instances.
Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to talk to think
something's wrong when they see the different host keys.

I would also like to say some good words about slint.  I
was able to get a command-line set of consoles but the only way I
could get anything to talk was to plug in a usb sound card.  One
such card was a Creative Labs SoundBlaster series usb sound card
which worked perfectly for the speakup voice plus I also tried
another very inexpensive sound card which also worked with no
difference between the Creative Labs and the sound card whose
name escapes me, but slint couldn't automatically find this
laptop's built-in sound card.

Everything else in slint that I tried appears to have no
problems .

Sound system hardware is so proprietary that audio issues
in Linux are like grains of sand on the beach, common and gritty
when you have to deal with them.

So, my primary question is am I missing something about
the command consoles?  The mate terminal seems to be working but
it's not quite the same as a command-line console.

Martin

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Re: [Jgeneral] plot: unable to produce jpg, png etc

['Ian Shannon' via General]

Bill,

Updated PLOT and run again-success.
That's great.  Thanks a ton!

Ian


> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, 8 October 2023 1:05 AM
> To: gene...@jsoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] plot: unable to produce jpg, png etc
> 
> The bug is windows specific and has been fixed now. Please update the plot 
> package
> from jal and test again.
> 
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 at 9:05 PM 'Ian Shannon' via General < 
> gene...@jsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I'm certain this is not a J issue. It is likely a ms windows or
> > installation issue.
> >
> > Up to about 2 months ago, I could produce graphs as png. Now I am
> > restricted to on screen and pdf.
> >
> >
> > JVERSION
> > Engine: j9.4.2/j64avx2/windows
> > Build: commercial/2023-04-10T01:19:53/clang-15-0-7/SLEEF=1
> > Library: 9.4.22
> > Qt IDE: 2.0.3/6.2.4(6.2.4)
> > Platform: Win 64
> > Installer: j9.4 install
> > InstallPath: c:/utilities/j/j9.4
> > Contact: www.jsoftware.com<http://www.jsoftware.com>
> >
> > require 'plot'
> > plot *: i: 10
> > pd 'save png'
> > |domain error: chkgl2
> > | chkgl2 cdrc=.('"',libjqt,'" glqpixels ',(IFWIN#'+'),' i *i *i')cd
> > |y;pix
> >
> >
> > Has anyone else had problems with using the "gl" calls?
> > This also happens in J903 so my guess is that there is somehow a
> > system change imposed by ms  which has been installed on this work
> > laptop with negative results.
> >
> > Any assistance greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: opensuse tumbleweed

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Aptitude includes fields for compressed(persumably the size of the
.deb) and uncompressed(presumably how much space the installed package
will take up) sizes for each package, but that's just for that package



I can see the total installed size of a package on my rpm-based Fedora
system, but I don't see the compressed size, nor do I see either size
for the package along with its dependencies. That said, I just used dnf
info to look up the package information; I didn't refine the query in
any way. there are lots of things I can find out about rpm packages, I'm
just not sure the total compressed or installed size of all dependencies
is one of those things I can look up.

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Re: Debian with Orca

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On 10/7/23 19:54, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

So, my primary question is am I missing something about
the command consoles?  The mate terminal seems to be working but
it's not quite the same as a command-line console.



If you are on a laptop, the FN key might be playing a role.

When USB is at play, I will consider buying something with the UASP
protocol.

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Debian with Orca

[Linux for blind general discussion]

In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian
Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been
trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity
thumb drive.  The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as
twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it
was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in
the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh
logins from another computer using the command-line or console
mode.

Orca never did anything except an occasional halting
error message.

Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb
drive and decided to try that.  The twelve-hour marathon reduced
to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well
as it does on a desktop system, here.  The real problem was the
slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive.  The
orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast
and all seems well so far.

Now for some questions:

I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have
been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss
having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if
I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box.

This is the standard debian install installation image
one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without
any special measures such as installing a usb sound card .  On
some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2
and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1.  I think there are
maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks.  On
this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to
exit.  One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems
to happen.  Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I
want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining.  If
necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and
install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this
is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable.
Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh
host key unless one copies the same key to all instances.
Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to talk to think
something's wrong when they see the different host keys.

I would also like to say some good words about slint.  I
was able to get a command-line set of consoles but the only way I
could get anything to talk was to plug in a usb sound card.  One
such card was a Creative Labs SoundBlaster series usb sound card
which worked perfectly for the speakup voice plus I also tried
another very inexpensive sound card which also worked with no
difference between the Creative Labs and the sound card whose
name escapes me, but slint couldn't automatically find this
laptop's built-in sound card.

Everything else in slint that I tried appears to have no
problems .

Sound system hardware is so proprietary that audio issues
in Linux are like grains of sand on the beach, common and gritty
when you have to deal with them.

So, my primary question is am I missing something about
the command consoles?  The mate terminal seems to be working but
it's not quite the same as a command-line console.

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Re: opensuse tumbleweed

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Now I'm curious...

Is there a way to get a report on any of the following?:

-The Installed size of a package and all it's dependencies.
-The download size of a package and all it's dependencies.
-The install size of a package, its dependencies, and its recommends.
-The download size of a package, its dependencies, and its recommends.

Preferably for Apt-based systems(I know Suse is RPM based, but I'm
typing this from a Debian box).

Aptitude includes fields for compressed(persumably the size of the
.deb) and uncompressed(presumably how much space the installed package
will take up) sizes for each package, but that's just for that package
itself(Aptitude reports 2093k compressed and 15m uncompressed for
Orca's size), so it's of limited use for packages that aren't
self-contained... and if the report could exclude sizes of shared
dependencies to things like python, an xserver, or a desktop meta
package, the things one would likely have installed even without the
target package, that would be even better...

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Re: opensuse tumbleweed

[Linux for blind general discussion]

The Internet connection wouldn't necessarily need to be a problem, one 
can USB tether from their smartphone, I use this technique for some 
installers having trouble connecting to a wifi.


But overall, it seems weird to me a distro would leave out orca for 
space reasons, in 2023, when the screenreader together with speechd and 
all other dependencies is hardly noticeable.


Best regards


Rastislav


Dňa 7. 10. 2023 o 4:49 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a):
> Your premise assumes that internet access is already connected and
> available on the computer where the iso is running and Orca is to be
> installed. Unfortunately this is not every computer, especially those
> that must connect to wifi or any other type of internet services that
> require usernames, passwords, etc. Better would be to leave some things
> off the install media so that the all-important screen reader can be
> installed, even if it means leaving off an office suite or a browser
> and/or email application. Those things could be very easily installed
> over the internet once Orca has been started, or for users that don't
> need Orca, they can have such other packages installed over the internet
> after logging in as needed.
>
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Re: [Evergreen-general] Help Needed: Modifying Reshelving Status Interval Issue

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greatly appreciate your assistance in resolving the reshelving status interval 
issue.

I have noted your recommendation to run the support script, 
"reshelving_complete.srfsh," to ensure that the reshelving status returns to 
normal. Your clarification on how often to run the script and the crontab entry 
example is incredibly helpful!

I will promptly implement this solution on one of our Evergreen servers, 
following your guidance, with a frequency of once every 4 hours to match the 
reshelving status interval.

Once again, thank you for your expertise and assistance in resolving this 
issue. Your support is invaluable, and I'm confident that this solution will 
significantly improve our daily library circulation operations.

Thanks.

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Date: Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:01 PM
To: evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org 

Cc: Jason Stephenson 
Subject: Re: [Evergreen-general] Help Needed: Modifying Reshelving Status 
Interval Issue
Ariez,

There is a support script called reshelving_complete.srfsh. This has to
be run for the reshelving status to return to normal. You will want to
run it on 1 of your Evergreen servers, preferably a utility server at
the same frequency as your reshelving status internval, so in your case
once every 4 hours. A crontab entry for this would like the following:

0 */4 * * * /openils/bin/reshelving_complete.srfsh

Hope that helps!

Jason Stephenson

On 10/6/23 10:47, Konsortium Pusat Sumber Sekolah Kebangsaan KPSSK via
Evergreen-general wrote:
> Dear Evergreen ILS Community,
>
> I hope this email finds you well. I am reaching out to seek assistance
> with a technical issue related to our library's circulation operations.
> Your expertise in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>
>   * *Reshelving Status Interval Modification*
>
> I recently attempted to modify the reshelving status interval in our
> Evergreen ILS to 4 hours. However, when I checked the system after 5
> hours, the status of items had not changed as expected. This has raised
> concerns about the accuracy and effectiveness of our reshelving process.
>
>   * *Running ./autogen.sh Command*
>
> I am unsure whether it is necessary to run the "./autogen.sh" command
> after making changes in the library setting editor. Could you please
> clarify if this is a required step in the process of modifying system
> settings?
>
>   * *Restarting Evergreen ILS*
>
> I have already run the restart command for Evergreen ILS, but
> unfortunately, the issues have not been resolved. Despite our efforts,
> the problem persists.
>
>   * *Impact on Daily Library Circulation Operations*
>
> The unresolved issue with the reshelving status interval has the
> potential to impact our daily library circulation operations. Prompt
> resolution of this problem is crucial to maintaining the efficiency of
> our library services.
>
> **
>
> For your reference and clarification, I have attached a screenshot that
> highlights the modifications made in the library setting editor. This
> may help in identifying any potential issues or misconfigurations.
>
> I kindly request your assistance and guidance in addressing this matter
> as soon as possible. Any insights or recommendations you can provide to
> resolve this issue would be highly valuable to our library and its patrons.
>
> Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I look forward to your
> prompt response. Please feel free to contact me if you require any
> additional information or clarification.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Should you need any further information, please do not hesitate to
> contact me via phone or email.
>
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Re: opensuse tumbleweed

[Linux for blind general discussion]

And really, is space really that much of a premium on install media?

I mean, flash storage is so cheap that it's hard to find anything
smaller than 32GB these days, and you have to go back like 20 years to
find machines that are limited to CD... and worse come to worse, you
can just put extra software on a second disc for those offline
machines.

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Re: opensuse tumbleweed

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Your premise assumes that internet access is already connected and
available on the computer where the iso is running and Orca is to be
installed. Unfortunately this is not every computer, especially those
that must connect to wifi or any other type of internet services that
require usernames, passwords, etc. Better would be to leave some things
off the install media so that the all-important screen reader can be
installed, even if it means leaving off an office suite or a browser
and/or email application. Those things could be very easily installed
over the internet once Orca has been started, or for users that don't
need Orca, they can have such other packages installed over the internet
after logging in as needed.

~Kyle

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opensuse tumbleweed

[Linux for blind general discussion]

An idea for all linux distributions with orca in their repositories and
not enough space to have it on their install disks.
Put a question up on the screen and allow a reasonable number of seconds
to pass to get an answer.  No answer, download and install orca and all of
its dependencies, run orca, and have orca ask that question.
This way the sighted people constantly writing stuff on the internet to
find out how to turn off orca won't be doing that any more since orca
never got installed on their machines but did get installed on machines
that actually need it to run linux.


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defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
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Re: Intro.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

When I retired to Pennsylvania, I could have had Windows for an operating
system and chose not to go that route.  Where I live is rural and as such
help desk calls and service would have been expensive.  With Linux if the
system runs into a problem I can either fix the problem or reinstall the
system by myself.  This is important since sighted help where I live is
unavailable.  I admit I tried to update windows on a Dell Laptop and it
went along fine until it got to SERVICEPACK3.  Then the laptop crashed and
I found out a little later that that Dell Dimension Laptop wouldn't
install Linux either.  So the laptop went into the trash since it was no
longer any use to anyone.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> > But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that it is free 
> > as in free beer?
>
> Perhaps because some people prefer operating systems that:
>
> - Don’t spy on them
> - Don’t start random diagnostic services taking up most of the CPU
> - Won’t bloat them with a pile of programs requiring a Microsoft account
> - Can autoupdate themselves
> - Don’t require a supercomputer to run
> - Won’t start upgrading themselves in the middle of a business meeting
> - Are generally trustworthy
>
> XD
>
> These are just the points for web-browsing only users, beside the free system 
> and ecosystem one.
>
> For even slightly more advanced-ones, there are indeed many more.
>
> Best regards
>
> Rastislav
>
> Dňa 6. 10. 2023 o 12:43 Linux for
>
> blind general discussion napísal(a):
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > answer in line.
> >
> > Foreword: I hesitated to answer: as I already wrote Slint is not an option 
> > for
> > ARM CPUs. Anyway, here goes for x86_64 aka AMD64 users...
> >
> > Le 06/10/2023 à 11:44, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> >
> >> When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so 
> >> if
> >> you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is 
> >> not
> >> beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you 
> >> rememver the
> >> days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second 
> >> device
> >> handy to go through the install steps.
> >
> > To be picky, the Slint installer doesn't request you to type commands, only 
> > to
> > answer questions, typing things like "Y" for yes and "N" for no or a number 
> > to
> > select an option. And oftentimes if you do not know what to answer typing 
> > "h"
> > will display a small contextualized help text. Further, during installation 
> > you
> > can you can also type 'doc' at the prompt in a console and read a 
> > documentation,
> > then go back to installation
> >
> >> Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, 
> >> where it
> >> asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you 
> >> through
> >> the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, 
> >> gentle
> >> start to Linux.
> >>
> >> The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web 
> >> browser and
> >> Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, 
> >> versus
> >> with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a
> >> nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to 
> >> date.
> >
> > With Slint you can also get information before installing just firing up 
> > this
> > page in a web browser:
> > https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html
> >
> >> I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can 
> >> be,
> >> especially if you are older like you said you are.
> >
> > I am probably older than Billy (74 at time of writing) and use Slint every 
> > day ;)
> >
> > All this being said if the intended usage is just browsing the Internet,
> > communicate with family and friends and so on, any accessible distribution 
> > is
> > good enough. But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact 
> > that it
> > is free as in free beer?
> >
> > Didier
> >
> >> Jace
> >>
> >> On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi guys, 

Re: Intro.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

> But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that it is free 
> as in free beer?

Perhaps because some people prefer operating systems that:

- Don’t spy on them
- Don’t start random diagnostic services taking up most of the CPU
- Won’t bloat them with a pile of programs requiring a Microsoft account
- Can autoupdate themselves
- Don’t require a supercomputer to run
- Won’t start upgrading themselves in the middle of a business meeting
- Are generally trustworthy

XD

These are just the points for web-browsing only users, beside the free system 
and ecosystem one.

For even slightly more advanced-ones, there are indeed many more.

Best regards

Rastislav

Dňa 6. 10. 2023 o 12:43 Linux for

blind general discussion napísal(a):

> Hi,
>
> answer in line.
>
> Foreword: I hesitated to answer: as I already wrote Slint is not an option for
> ARM CPUs. Anyway, here goes for x86_64 aka AMD64 users...
>
> Le 06/10/2023 à 11:44, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
>
>> When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so if
>> you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is 
>> not
>> beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you rememver 
>> the
>> days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second 
>> device
>> handy to go through the install steps.
>
> To be picky, the Slint installer doesn't request you to type commands, only to
> answer questions, typing things like "Y" for yes and "N" for no or a number to
> select an option. And oftentimes if you do not know what to answer typing "h"
> will display a small contextualized help text. Further, during installation 
> you
> can you can also type 'doc' at the prompt in a console and read a 
> documentation,
> then go back to installation
>
>> Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, where 
>> it
>> asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you 
>> through
>> the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, gentle
>> start to Linux.
>>
>> The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web browser 
>> and
>> Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, versus
>> with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a
>> nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to date.
>
> With Slint you can also get information before installing just firing up this
> page in a web browser:
> https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html
>
>> I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can be,
>> especially if you are older like you said you are.
>
> I am probably older than Billy (74 at time of writing) and use Slint every 
> day ;)
>
> All this being said if the intended usage is just browsing the Internet,
> communicate with family and friends and so on, any accessible distribution is
> good enough. But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that 
> it
> is free as in free beer?
>
> Didier
>
>> Jace
>>
>> On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
>>> platform
>>> but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know which
>>> version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I 
>>> am a
>>> blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with
>>> help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
>>> appreciate
>>> it indeed, Billy
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>
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Re: Intro.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Slint can be installed once booted by use of the setup command.  Once done
you answer questions about your hardware and preferences and once enough
of those get answered, the installation happens.  Can take 10 to 30
minutes to happen once it starts.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi,
>
> answer in line.
>
> Foreword: I hesitated to answer: as I already wrote Slint is not an option for
> ARM CPUs. Anyway, here goes for x86_64 aka AMD64 users...
>
> Le 06/10/2023 à 11:44, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> > When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so 
> > if
> > you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is 
> > not
> > beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you 
> > rememver the
> > days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second 
> > device
> > handy to go through the install steps.
>
> To be picky, the Slint installer doesn't request you to type commands, only to
> answer questions, typing things like "Y" for yes and "N" for no or a number to
> select an option. And oftentimes if you do not know what to answer typing "h"
> will display a small contextualized help text. Further, during installation 
> you
> can you can also type 'doc' at the prompt in a console and read a 
> documentation,
> then go back to installation
>
> > Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, where 
> > it
> > asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you 
> > through
> > the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, 
> > gentle
> > start to Linux.
> >
> > The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web 
> > browser and
> > Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, versus
> > with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a
> > nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to 
> > date.
>
> With Slint you can also get information before installing just firing up this
> page in a web browser:
> https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html
>
> > I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can be,
> > especially if you are older like you said you are.
>
> I am probably older than Billy (74 at time of writing) and use Slint every 
> day ;)
>
> All this being said if the intended usage is just browsing the Internet,
> communicate with family and friends and so on, any accessible distribution is
> good enough. But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that 
> it
> is free as in free beer?
>
> Didier
>
> > Jace
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> >> platform
> >> but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know 
> >> which
> >> version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I 
> >> am a
> >> blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with
> >> help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> >> appreciate
> >> it indeed, Billy
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail for Windows
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Re: [Evergreen-general] Help Needed: Modifying Reshelving Status Interval Issue

[Jason Stephenson via Evergreen-general]

Ariez,

There is a support script called reshelving_complete.srfsh. This has to 
be run for the reshelving status to return to normal. You will want to 
run it on 1 of your Evergreen servers, preferably a utility server at 
the same frequency as your reshelving status internval, so in your case 
once every 4 hours. A crontab entry for this would like the following:


0 */4 * * * /openils/bin/reshelving_complete.srfsh

Hope that helps!

Jason Stephenson

On 10/6/23 10:47, Konsortium Pusat Sumber Sekolah Kebangsaan KPSSK via 
Evergreen-general wrote:

Dear Evergreen ILS Community,

I hope this email finds you well. I am reaching out to seek assistance 
with a technical issue related to our library's circulation operations. 
Your expertise in this matter would be greatly appreciated.


  * *Reshelving Status Interval Modification*

I recently attempted to modify the reshelving status interval in our 
Evergreen ILS to 4 hours. However, when I checked the system after 5 
hours, the status of items had not changed as expected. This has raised 
concerns about the accuracy and effectiveness of our reshelving process.


  * *Running ./autogen.sh Command*

I am unsure whether it is necessary to run the "./autogen.sh" command 
after making changes in the library setting editor. Could you please 
clarify if this is a required step in the process of modifying system 
settings?


  * *Restarting Evergreen ILS*

I have already run the restart command for Evergreen ILS, but 
unfortunately, the issues have not been resolved. Despite our efforts, 
the problem persists.


  * *Impact on Daily Library Circulation Operations*

The unresolved issue with the reshelving status interval has the 
potential to impact our daily library circulation operations. Prompt 
resolution of this problem is crucial to maintaining the efficiency of 
our library services.


**

For your reference and clarification, I have attached a screenshot that 
highlights the modifications made in the library setting editor. This 
may help in identifying any potential issues or misconfigurations.


I kindly request your assistance and guidance in addressing this matter 
as soon as possible. Any insights or recommendations you can provide to 
resolve this issue would be highly valuable to our library and its patrons.


Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I look forward to your 
prompt response. Please feel free to contact me if you require any 
additional information or clarification.


Thanks.

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Re: Very minimal graphical environment

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I worked some years back on a menu system that had some scripts that
would start a very small window manager and run Orca and the browser,
email, whatever required a graphical environment. This system was
designed to be self-contained and distro-agnostic, although as I recall
it used jwm as the tiny window manager that started the graphical
environment. Have a look at

https://gitlab.com/f123/Kies

I'm thinking some of the scripts you'll find there may help. If I
remember correctly, they would even stop Fenrir trying to speak as the
text console became a graphical one and start it back up once the
program you wanted exited. Hope it helps.

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Re: Orca and Braille

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On 6/10/23 02:37, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Yes. Orca Screen reader supports braille with the aid of BRLTTY and its
BRLAPI library. If I remember well, you have to run BRLTTY then Orca to be
working correctly.
Normally, your systemd configuration should be set up to run BRLTTY 
during the boot process. This gives you braille access to the console, 
and access to a graphical environment when Orca starts.


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Re: Intro.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi,

answer in line.

Foreword: I hesitated to answer: as I already wrote Slint is not an option for
ARM CPUs. Anyway, here goes for x86_64 aka AMD64 users...

Le 06/10/2023 à 11:44, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so if
> you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is not
> beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you rememver 
> the
> days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second device
> handy to go through the install steps.

To be picky, the Slint installer doesn't request you to type commands, only to
answer questions, typing things like "Y" for yes and "N" for no or a number to
select an option. And oftentimes if you do not know what to answer typing "h"
will display a small contextualized help text. Further, during installation you
can you can also type 'doc' at the prompt in a console and read a documentation,
then go back to installation

> Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, where it
> asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you 
> through
> the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, gentle
> start to Linux.
> 
> The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web browser 
> and
> Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, versus
> with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a
> nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to date.

With Slint you can also get information before installing just firing up this
page in a web browser:
https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html

> I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can be,
> especially if you are older like you said you are.

I am probably older than Billy (74 at time of writing) and use Slint every day 
;)

All this being said if the intended usage is just browsing the Internet,
communicate with family and friends and so on, any accessible distribution is
good enough. But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that it
is free as in free beer?

Didier

> Jace
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
>> platform
>> but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know which
>> version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I am 
>> a
>> blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with
>> help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would appreciate
>> it indeed, Billy
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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Re: Very minimal graphical environment

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I'd suggest having a minimal window manager like i3 for this, which is 
the first thing that came to mind. Very, very minimal and easy to set up 
and configure with a text config file which means you can tweak it to 
remove all the stuff you don't want



Mostly going with i3 since it hasn't failed me yet, while qtile broke my 
config majorly earlier



On 10/6/23 11:22, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hi list,

I am forced to become a graphical environment user so I will begin my adventure 
with Orca.
I would like to have a very minimal installation of such environment. I want to 
have complete setup wich is quite enough for Orca and web browser such as 
Chromium or Firefox. Can you recommend me something?
I don't need desktops, file managers, mail clients, calendars and any other 
core software build into the graphical environment. Just to do a suitable 
installation to run Orca with internet browser. How to do it? Any 
recommendations, suggestions, opinions?

Greetings.
Artur Rutkowski

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Very minimal graphical environment

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi list,

I am forced to become a graphical environment user so I will begin my adventure 
with Orca.
I would like to have a very minimal installation of such environment. I want to 
have complete setup wich is quite enough for Orca and web browser such as 
Chromium or Firefox. Can you recommend me something?
I don't need desktops, file managers, mail clients, calendars and any other 
core software build into the graphical environment. Just to do a suitable 
installation to run Orca with internet browser. How to do it? Any 
recommendations, suggestions, opinions?

Greetings.
Artur Rutkowski

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Hello,

I heard something along the lines of make sure xbrlapi is in your 
autostart and make sure it starts before orca, but I could be wrong.


Harley

On 06/10/2023 07:37, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hi everyone

Yes. Orca Screen reader supports braille with the aid of BRLTTY and its
BRLAPI library. If I remember well, you have to run BRLTTY then Orca to be
working correctly.

Greetings.
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Heya Billy, welcome to the list


I'm going to also suggest Linux Mint Mate, which Rastislav has linked to 
but I'm also going to explain why I feel like it's a good choice.



When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac 
so if you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. 
Slint is not beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is 
by if you rememver the days of DOS, typing in commands and having to 
remember or have a second device handy to go through the install steps.



Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, 
where it asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will 
walk you through the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me 
this is a nice, gentle start to Linux.



The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web 
browser and Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful 
results, versus with Slint, relying on having to manually check a 
specific email list. In a nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use 
and simple to keep up to date.


I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can 
be, especially if you are older like you said you are.



Jace



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Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux platform 
but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know which 
version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I am a 
blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with help/advice 
on which version of Linux would be best for me I would appreciate it indeed, 
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Orca and Braille

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Hi everyone

Yes. Orca Screen reader supports braille with the aid of BRLTTY and its
BRLAPI library. If I remember well, you have to run BRLTTY then Orca to be
working correctly.

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Re: Intro.

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If you don't enjoy learning new skills, then Linux may not be a good
choice, unless you have someone available to set it up, customize and
maintain it for you.



I disagree. This certainly was the case in the late 1990's and very
early 2000's, when Linux was pretty much just DOS on steroids and we had
to learn how to compile a kernel just to get a decent screen reader
working. In 2023 however, only the Linux Foundation, which has Microsoft
as one of its "platinum partners," still propagates the myth that Linux
is not for some people. It is in fact for everyone, and the learning
curve has decreased significantly even in the past few years. In fact,
the king of the enforced learning curve, Microsoft, has ensured that
Linux is easier to learn than ever, since their own OS has gotten
needlessly more and more complicated over the past 20 years or so. It's
to the point now where I don't feel I have the patience to learn their
new way of doing things even if a job was to say so. Thankfully for me,
this is not the case at all, and I have the ability to stick to the
lakes and the rivers that I'm used to, right here on the only truly
operating system on the planet. My computer works for me, I don't have
to work for it, unlike these new phones these days that make me work for
them more and more as time goes on, tell me to move one finger while
expecting me to stand on my head, etc.

~Kyle

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Re: Intro.

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I agree with Rastislav. I've been using Linux since the 1990s. I think 
it's important to understand that the culture associated with Linux is 
different from what you'll find elsewhere.


If you enjoy learning new skills and new software, there are endless 
opportunities for expanding your knowledge and for improving your 
software environment in large and small ways. There is also a cultural 
expectation that you will learn to solve problems and to use the 
software primarily on your own, with support from the community as needed.


If you don't enjoy learning new skills, then Linux may not be a good 
choice, unless you have someone available to set it up, customize and 
maintain it for you.


Also, learning the Linux command line can fundamentally change the way 
you work. Those skills can be of benefit for the rest of your life. I 
first learned UNIX (and later Linux) command line skills in the 1990s. 
This knowledge is no less relevant today than it was then. It may still 
be applicable if I'm using a computer thirty years from now. Investments 
in learning pay real rewards.


On 5/10/23 18:00, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hello Billy,

yes, it is perfectly possible to run Ubuntu and Windows in parallel,
back in the time when I was beginning with Linux, this was my goto
strategy, as I wanted to have a working backup Windows system in case I
needed anything.

Originally I wanted to try Linux just for a month, a little while back,
the third year of my one month trial period has passed. :D

In the end, I booted the Windows instance like once or twice when I
needed to compile some programs for Windows users, so I eventually
deleted it, as a VM has been more than enough to satisfy my needs.

Though, if you do have things you can do only from Windows, then having
a real windows installation is something I definitely recommend, doing
any serious work in a VM is rather inconvenient.


I see many recommendations in this thread regarding terminals, console
environments etc.

My personal, subjective advice though, would be to just go with a
standard GUI system like Ubuntu Mate.

Linux is an indefinitely flexible system, unlike Windows or MacOS, which
you see in one consistent, ubiquitous form, you will see Linux developed
and distributed in countless shapes, forms and variations.

As you may already know, the term Linux in fact doesn't name the whole
operating system, Linux is just an OS kernel developed by Linus
Torvalds, but while this component is crucial and very complex part of
an OS, a complete system embraces far more than that, kernel is
something you actually don't even get to see as an user, because
everything you communicate with (the desktop environment, mouse,
keyboard, audio, etc.) are just additions on top of this core element.


I like to use an analogy of Linux kernel being an organic heart. Heart
is a crucial part for every animal, but it's not the only-one and
in-fact, you usually won't even get to see the heart of a living
creature, what you see and interact with are body, limbs, some humans
have brains, etc.


It's similar with Linux. Developers take the core, surround it with
software, shell and functionality they want, and release the package as
something you can install on your hardware (computer, mobile phone etc.)
That's why it's called linux distribution.


And it's also the source of the flexibility. You will see distributions
reminding Windows / mac, not in graphical design, but in the philosophy
of a full-GUI system.

But there are also distributions without GUI, that use just terminal,
there are distributions you can access only remotely through a web
browser, there are distributions specialized for running on USB keys, in
sandboxes, in computational clusters etc. etc. etc.


This ecosystem is something you'll likely as a member of Linux community
get to love after some time.

However, making use of it requires some knowledge I myself did not have
when coming to the open platform, so while I did have an idea what is it
capable of, even as a developer, I was by no means prepared to handle
the full power of the Linux world.


A stable GUI system provides more than enough opportunities for one to
familiarize themselves with the concepts of Linux terminal, filesystem,
package management, individual components that make up the OS,
everything at a calm pace and, importantly, on a route where nothing
breaks, and most of the things don't require reading through a pile of
books and manpages (man is a short version of manual, in case you
wondered) to setup.


That's just my personal take


Best regards


Rastislav


Dňa 5. 10. 2023 o 8:53 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a):

Hi Rastislav, This is so helpful indeed and the linkswill come in really handy. 
Is it possible for me to tun Linux with windows on the same computer system?, 
Billy

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From: Linux for blind general discussion
Sent: 04 October 2023 16:10
To: blinux-list@redhat.com

Re: Intro.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hello Billy,

yes, it is perfectly possible to run Ubuntu and Windows in parallel, 
back in the time when I was beginning with Linux, this was my goto 
strategy, as I wanted to have a working backup Windows system in case I 
needed anything.

Originally I wanted to try Linux just for a month, a little while back, 
the third year of my one month trial period has passed. :D

In the end, I booted the Windows instance like once or twice when I 
needed to compile some programs for Windows users, so I eventually 
deleted it, as a VM has been more than enough to satisfy my needs.

Though, if you do have things you can do only from Windows, then having 
a real windows installation is something I definitely recommend, doing 
any serious work in a VM is rather inconvenient.


I see many recommendations in this thread regarding terminals, console 
environments etc.

My personal, subjective advice though, would be to just go with a 
standard GUI system like Ubuntu Mate.

Linux is an indefinitely flexible system, unlike Windows or MacOS, which 
you see in one consistent, ubiquitous form, you will see Linux developed 
and distributed in countless shapes, forms and variations.

As you may already know, the term Linux in fact doesn't name the whole 
operating system, Linux is just an OS kernel developed by Linus 
Torvalds, but while this component is crucial and very complex part of 
an OS, a complete system embraces far more than that, kernel is 
something you actually don't even get to see as an user, because 
everything you communicate with (the desktop environment, mouse, 
keyboard, audio, etc.) are just additions on top of this core element.


I like to use an analogy of Linux kernel being an organic heart. Heart 
is a crucial part for every animal, but it's not the only-one and 
in-fact, you usually won't even get to see the heart of a living 
creature, what you see and interact with are body, limbs, some humans 
have brains, etc.


It's similar with Linux. Developers take the core, surround it with 
software, shell and functionality they want, and release the package as 
something you can install on your hardware (computer, mobile phone etc.) 
That's why it's called linux distribution.


And it's also the source of the flexibility. You will see distributions 
reminding Windows / mac, not in graphical design, but in the philosophy 
of a full-GUI system.

But there are also distributions without GUI, that use just terminal, 
there are distributions you can access only remotely through a web 
browser, there are distributions specialized for running on USB keys, in 
sandboxes, in computational clusters etc. etc. etc.


This ecosystem is something you'll likely as a member of Linux community 
get to love after some time.

However, making use of it requires some knowledge I myself did not have 
when coming to the open platform, so while I did have an idea what is it 
capable of, even as a developer, I was by no means prepared to handle 
the full power of the Linux world.


A stable GUI system provides more than enough opportunities for one to 
familiarize themselves with the concepts of Linux terminal, filesystem, 
package management, individual components that make up the OS, 
everything at a calm pace and, importantly, on a route where nothing 
breaks, and most of the things don't require reading through a pile of 
books and manpages (man is a short version of manual, in case you 
wondered) to setup.


That's just my personal take


Best regards


Rastislav


Dňa 5. 10. 2023 o 8:53 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a):
> Hi Rastislav, This is so helpful indeed and the linkswill come in really 
> handy. Is it possible for me to tun Linux with windows on the same computer 
> system?, Billy
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>
> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> Sent: 04 October 2023 16:10
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Intro.
>
> Hello,
>
> since you're new to Linux, I would recommend going with Ubuntu Mate. It
> will provide you with the most stable while still uptodate experience,
> so you can fully focus on discovering the open platform.
>
> Though, I would recommend to wait a week, Ubuntu 23.10 is scheduled to
> be released on 12th October, shipping the latest atspi packages and
> other things.
>
>
> If this is the choice you decide to take, you may also be interested in
> some of my related projects, namely:
>
> https://github.com/RastislavKish/umai
>
>
> for setting up accessibility on UM,
>
> https://github.com/RastislavKish/mlock
>
>
> for fixing one annoying bug with focus if it appears on your machine, and:
>
> https://github.com/RastislavKish/mtg
>
>
> for turning off your monitor.
>
>
> Regarding umai and support for UM 23.10, it should be prepared by the
> date of the distro's release, see the project's readme for an uptodate
> list of supported U

Re: Intro.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hello,

I am sorry but Slint is not available for an ARM architecture, only x86_64

Other than, to know more:
https://slint.fr

Cheers,
Didier
Slint maintainer
didieratslintdotfr


Le 05/10/2023 à 20:59, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> Slint is an iso and is available as a torrent.
> https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256
> https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso
> 
> If you have sha256sum on your machine run the following command and if it
> returns the name of the iso followed by ok you likely got a good download.
> sha256sum -c 
> https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256

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Slint is an iso and is available as a torrent.
https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256
https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso

If you have sha256sum on your machine run the following command and if it
returns the name of the iso followed by ok you likely got a good download.
sha256sum -c 
https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256
-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi is  this a bistro, or  a package that can be downloaded? If this is  
> package can  it. Run under Ubuntu, or different.
>
>
>
> > On Oct 5, 2023, at 16:58, Linux for blind general discussion 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to recommend slint and I recommend when you install slint to
> > start in console.  The reason to start in console is you log in in
> > console.  The startx script you run after login.  If for whatever reason
> > your graphical environment fails to work, you at least have a chance to do
> > something about it since you're already logged in.  The nightmare
> > situation for graphical users who start in graphics mode is their login
> > doesn't work and then they have a paperweight until they reinstall the
> > system.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> >> Hello, I can tell the difference between light and dark. I have used all 
> >> windows OS systems from way back windows7, Billy
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail for Windows
> >>
> >> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> >> Sent: 04 October 2023 12:53
> >> To: Linux for blind general discussion
> >> Subject: Re: Intro.
> >>
> >> A couple questions.
> >> In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to
> >> see light?
> >> What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux?
> >> Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better
> >> guideance.
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> >> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >>
> >> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> >>> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I 
> >>> wouldn’t know which version to try out first and that is one reason for 
> >>> joining this group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you 
> >>> could provide me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best 
> >>> for me I would appreciate it indeed, Billy
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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That's why slint has its own email list.  Slackware is no more difficult
than most other distros.  The https://www.slackbook.org site has
documentation on slackware and slint has a doc command any user can run to
do some slint-specific reading.
The vanilla slackware would work on a handful of speech synthesizers all
of them externally connected to computers.  These days, anyone starting
slint install disk for the first time should get speech out of their sound
card.  Vanilla slackware did a simulation to check if speech synthesizers
could work.  The developer of slint does more than a simulation to check
if the sound card will work for the users of slint.  The people that
complain about distros like vanilla slackware never learned enough basic
linux documentation to get around.  Two commands in linux can be your
friends once installed that is man and info.  You can do man man and read
about the man command or info info and read about the info command.  You
can also do info emacs and read about emacs.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> I'm guessing bistro was autocurrupt's doing.
>
> Anyways, Slint is a offshoot of Slackware, a distro notorious for
> being difficult for new Linux users to wrangle, and because of that
> Slint is a bit polarizing among Blind Linux Users. If I'm not
> mistaken, the name Slint comes from Slackware Internationalization as
> improving internationalization in Slackware was Slint's original
> purpose, but Slint is probably better known for its accessiblity work
> on this and other blind-centric Linux User mailing lists. And the
> reason it's polarizing is because some say Slint inherited vanilla
> Slackware's lack of newbie friendliness while others say it's
> Accessibility makes it more beginner friendly to blind Linux users
> than any other distro. I haven't used Slint myself, so I can't really
> judge.
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I'm guessing bistro was autocurrupt's doing.

Anyways, Slint is a offshoot of Slackware, a distro notorious for
being difficult for new Linux users to wrangle, and because of that
Slint is a bit polarizing among Blind Linux Users. If I'm not
mistaken, the name Slint comes from Slackware Internationalization as
improving internationalization in Slackware was Slint's original
purpose, but Slint is probably better known for its accessiblity work
on this and other blind-centric Linux User mailing lists. And the
reason it's polarizing is because some say Slint inherited vanilla
Slackware's lack of newbie friendliness while others say it's
Accessibility makes it more beginner friendly to blind Linux users
than any other distro. I haven't used Slint myself, so I can't really
judge.

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Hi is  this a bistro, or  a package that can be downloaded? If this is  package 
can  it. Run under Ubuntu, or different. 



> On Oct 5, 2023, at 16:58, Linux for blind general discussion 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to recommend slint and I recommend when you install slint to
> start in console.  The reason to start in console is you log in in
> console.  The startx script you run after login.  If for whatever reason
> your graphical environment fails to work, you at least have a chance to do
> something about it since you're already logged in.  The nightmare
> situation for graphical users who start in graphics mode is their login
> doesn't work and then they have a paperweight until they reinstall the
> system.
> 
> 
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> 
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
>> Hello, I can tell the difference between light and dark. I have used all 
>> windows OS systems from way back windows7, Billy
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>> Sent: 04 October 2023 12:53
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion
>> Subject: Re: Intro.
>> 
>> A couple questions.
>> In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to
>> see light?
>> What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux?
>> Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better
>> guideance.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
>> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
>> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>> 
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
>>> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
>>> know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
>>> group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide 
>>> me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
>>> appreciate it indeed, Billy
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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I'm going to recommend slint and I recommend when you install slint to
start in console.  The reason to start in console is you log in in
console.  The startx script you run after login.  If for whatever reason
your graphical environment fails to work, you at least have a chance to do
something about it since you're already logged in.  The nightmare
situation for graphical users who start in graphics mode is their login
doesn't work and then they have a paperweight until they reinstall the
system.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hello, I can tell the difference between light and dark. I have used all 
> windows OS systems from way back windows7, Billy
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>
> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> Sent: 04 October 2023 12:53
> To: Linux for blind general discussion
> Subject: Re: Intro.
>
> A couple questions.
> In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to
> see light?
> What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux?
> Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better
> guideance.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide 
> > me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> > appreciate it indeed, Billy
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows
> >
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Hello, I have an interesting question that maybe someone on this list might be 
able to answer. Does orca support braille? If not, we’ll bail TTY support 
speech? In other words long story short, can I get the default speech but with 
braille. Or is it going to be either or. I’m leaning towards a bun too by the 
way just because that’s what the person who would, be willing to help me get 
installed. The person is actually volunteering to assist. Any thoughts? Please 
excuse the fact that I still haven’t dealt with my signature file. And I’ve not 
dealt with what box this this mail goes to. That’s going to be today’s project. 
Be well everyone . PS, just be aware that I’m dictating this to my phone. 
That’s number one. Two. Remember that the actual address to reach me is 
mauricemauriceamimeS.coMf it is personal if it is official that address 
personal every-mail is maur...@maurice-amines.com Nfb 
presidentdeafbl...@mkurice-amines.com.
Sent from my iPhone. 
Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
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Fax no 661-449-3746.


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> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:31, Linux for blind general discussion 
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> 
> Oh thanks. That should work.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Linux for blind general discussion 
> To: Linux for blind general discussion 
> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:08:42 +0200 (SAST)
> Subject: Re: Detox or other similar tools
> 
>> You could use rename with a regexp.
>> e.g.
>> rename s'/blablabla//'g *_bla*txt
>> will remove blablabla from all *_bla*txt files.
>> Willem
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> 
>>> I want to strip a directory of file names of certain characters, like these.
>>> : ? ?
>>> 
>>> Detox will do that, but it removes spaces, commas and a bunch of other 
>>> stuff. I just want to have a list of characters removed, not all 
>>> punctuation. Is there a tool that will do this for me?
>>> Thanks.
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Oh thanks. That should work.

- Original Message -
From: Linux for blind general discussion 
To: Linux for blind general discussion 
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:08:42 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: Re: Detox or other similar tools

> You could use rename with a regexp.
> e.g.
> rename s'/blablabla//'g *_bla*txt
> will remove blablabla from all *_bla*txt files.
> Willem
>
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > I want to strip a directory of file names of certain characters, like these.
> > : ? ?
> >
> > Detox will do that, but it removes spaces, commas and a bunch of other 
> > stuff. I just want to have a list of characters removed, not all 
> > punctuation. Is there a tool that will do this for me?
> > Thanks.
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You could use rename with a regexp.
e.g.
rename s'/blablabla//'g *_bla*txt
will remove blablabla from all *_bla*txt files.
Willem


On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


I want to strip a directory of file names of certain characters, like these.
: ? ?

Detox will do that, but it removes spaces, commas and a bunch of other stuff. I 
just want to have a list of characters removed, not all punctuation. Is there a 
tool that will do this for me?
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how to reinicialize Waydroid?

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Hi

I downloaded the accessible waydroid script from Jenux Project, but I 
downloaded vendor and system as Vanilla, so I don't see Google play and 
all other Google services, so I want to try download not Vanilla, but 
Gapps. To do this, I must delete previously downloaded vendor and system 
image, but I can't find the correct location to remove. I removed 
/home/pvlcek/.local/share/waydroid, but this location is incorrect.


Thanks,

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Detox or other similar tools

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I want to strip a directory of file names of certain characters, like these.
: ? ?

Detox will do that, but it removes spaces, commas and a bunch of other stuff. I 
just want to have a list of characters removed, not all punctuation. Is there a 
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RE: Intro.

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Hello, I can tell the difference between light and dark. I have used all 
windows OS systems from way back windows7, Billy

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From: Linux for blind general discussion
Sent: 04 October 2023 12:53
To: Linux for blind general discussion
Subject: Re: Intro.

A couple questions.
In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to
see light?
What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux?
Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better
guideance.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me 
> with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> appreciate it indeed, Billy
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RE: Intro.

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Hi Rastislav, This is so helpful indeed and the linkswill come in really handy. 
Is it possible for me to tun Linux with windows on the same computer system?, 
Billy

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From: Linux for blind general discussion
Sent: 04 October 2023 16:10
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Intro.

Hello,

since you're new to Linux, I would recommend going with Ubuntu Mate. It 
will provide you with the most stable while still uptodate experience, 
so you can fully focus on discovering the open platform.

Though, I would recommend to wait a week, Ubuntu 23.10 is scheduled to 
be released on 12th October, shipping the latest atspi packages and 
other things.


If this is the choice you decide to take, you may also be interested in 
some of my related projects, namely:

https://github.com/RastislavKish/umai


for setting up accessibility on UM,

https://github.com/RastislavKish/mlock


for fixing one annoying bug with focus if it appears on your machine, and:

https://github.com/RastislavKish/mtg


for turning off your monitor.


Regarding umai and support for UM 23.10, it should be prepared by the 
date of the distro's release, see the project's readme for an uptodate 
list of supported UM versions.


Have a lot of fun, and the best experience!


Best regards


Rastislav


Dňa 4. 10. 2023 o 13:18 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a):
> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me 
> with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> appreciate it indeed, Billy
>
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osdisks.com has closed

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This is unfortunate for the people with low grade internet services and
low grade provider equipment since they're not going to be able to
download and install linux isos of any significant size without the
equipment or network corrupting those isos.  A need remains for sites like
osdisk or any competitors for this reason.


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Re: Intro.

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Hello,

since you're new to Linux, I would recommend going with Ubuntu Mate. It 
will provide you with the most stable while still uptodate experience, 
so you can fully focus on discovering the open platform.

Though, I would recommend to wait a week, Ubuntu 23.10 is scheduled to 
be released on 12th October, shipping the latest atspi packages and 
other things.


If this is the choice you decide to take, you may also be interested in 
some of my related projects, namely:

https://github.com/RastislavKish/umai


for setting up accessibility on UM,

https://github.com/RastislavKish/mlock


for fixing one annoying bug with focus if it appears on your machine, and:

https://github.com/RastislavKish/mtg


for turning off your monitor.


Regarding umai and support for UM 23.10, it should be prepared by the 
date of the distro's release, see the project's readme for an uptodate 
list of supported UM versions.


Have a lot of fun, and the best experience!


Best regards


Rastislav


Dňa 4. 10. 2023 o 13:18 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a):
> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me 
> with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> appreciate it indeed, Billy
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Re: Intro.

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Slint may be a better bet.  With slint those running on command line
operating systems have a choice to start in console which is command line
or graphical which is desktop like windows.  Even if you start in console
you can go into graphical if you need it.
Unfortunately we have either a garbage router or a garbage network which
is preventing a good download of slint here.  slint is on
https://slackware.uk/slint/ and the iso to download is iso5 if a modern
computer is being used.
That is why I asked the questions I did earlier.  Never recommend anything
ahead of a needs assessment.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi.
> Check out Linux Mint Mate
> https://linuxmint.com
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Linux for blind general discussion 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide 
> > me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> > appreciate it indeed, Billy
> >
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Re: Intro.

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Hi.
Check out Linux Mint Mate
https://linuxmint.com


> On Oct 4, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me 
> with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> appreciate it indeed, Billy  
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Re: Intro.

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you may want to check out fedora's fosh spin.
Since Raspberry pi runs on arm the stormux list
stormux+subscr...@groups.io may be helpful.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Good morning everyone. I am not new to Lennox. But I have a new arm based 
> computer. I am trying to decide between two distributions. Which is going to 
> be easier to install orca on? Two arch 64 meaning the arch architecture or 64 
> bit arm processor. Or fedora, because I remember using fedora many years ago 
> because of the assistance of a late friend. Just for the record. I am using 
> parallels on an arm based M2 Mac.
>
> From these two questions, I am needing to change the email box or email that 
> I get from this list  is there an easy way to do that. I thank you in advance 
> for any response to this email.
>
> Please be aware that I am dictating this to my phone. To the actual email 
> address to reach me has changed. I am just not gotten around to changing my 
> Phone signature email  File. The new email address is.  
> presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com.  All of the rest of the contact 
> information is still the same. Just the email address changed.
> Sent from my iPhone.
> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
>   text number 661-868-9647.
> Fax no 661-449-3746.
>
>
> President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay 
> number 661-249-9715.
> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
> chapter.
> amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.
>
> > On Oct 4, 2023, at 11:18, Linux for blind general discussion 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide 
> > me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> > appreciate it indeed, Billy
> >
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Good morning everyone. I am not new to Lennox. But I have a new arm based 
computer. I am trying to decide between two distributions. Which is going to be 
easier to install orca on? Two arch 64 meaning the arch architecture or 64 bit 
arm processor. Or fedora, because I remember using fedora many years ago 
because of the assistance of a late friend. Just for the record. I am using 
parallels on an arm based M2 Mac.

From these two questions, I am needing to change the email box or email that I 
get from this list  is there an easy way to do that. I thank you in advance for 
any response to this email.

Please be aware that I am dictating this to my phone. To the actual email 
address to reach me has changed. I am just not gotten around to changing my 
Phone signature email  File. The new email address is.  
presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com.  All of the rest of the contact 
information is still the same. Just the email address changed.
Sent from my iPhone. 
Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
  text number 661-868-9647.
Fax no 661-449-3746.


President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay number 
661-249-9715.
Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
chapter.
amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.

> On Oct 4, 2023, at 11:18, Linux for blind general discussion 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me 
> with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> appreciate it indeed, Billy  
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A couple questions.
In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to
see light?
What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux?
Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better
guideance.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux 
> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t 
> know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this 
> group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me 
> with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would 
> appreciate it indeed, Billy
>
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Intro.

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Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux platform 
but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know which 
version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I am a 
blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with help/advice 
on which version of Linux would be best for me I would appreciate it indeed, 
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Re: arch-installer accessibility

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To get espeak help press capslock and f1.


-- 
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> On the keypad, press the star key.  On the top row far right press the key
> and it will say parked press again and it says unparked.  One key to the
> left of that key is where you turn on highlight tracking.  Default is
> cursoring on so press once and you should get highlight tracking.
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On the keypad, press the star key.  On the top row far right press the key
and it will say parked press again and it says unparked.  One key to the
left of that key is where you turn on highlight tracking.  Default is
cursoring on so press once and you should get highlight tracking.

-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi,
>
> where can I get list of speakup hotkeys? I am unable to get light tracking
> mode.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Pavel
>
>
>
> Dne 01. 10. 23 v 14:13 Linux for blind general discussion napsal(a):
> > That's how I installed archlinux.  To get speakup going on archlinux when
> > you boot and hear the tones, downarrow once then hit enter then wait.
> > Speakup should come up.  When it does and you're at the root prompt then
> > get highlight tracking on with speakup.  Then run archinstall and you
> > should find it much more verbal and workable.
> > In additional packages to get espeak-ng installed and able to work when
> > that prompt comes up you need to add espeakup espeak-ng and alsa-utils.
> > Once you get all other questions answered you'll be offered the
> > opportunity to chroot into your new system and customize things.  Do that
> > and in there systemctl enable espeakup and also enable dhcpcd systemctl
> > enable dhcpcd.
> > If none of that works then you got a bad copy of archlinux and need to
> > complain to your internet provider and have them fix your internet so that
> > doesn't happen again and by none of this I mean on boot downarrow then hit
> > enter at the tones if you don't get speech or the install breaks somewhere
> > else you may have made a bad choice but if packages install fails that's
> > definitely an internet provider screw up.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to
> >> install
> >> it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no
> >> more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu
> >> based
> >> and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I
> >> think
> >> it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash
> >> installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to
> >> install
> >> mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned
> >> on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Pavel
> >>
> >>
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Hi,

where can I get list of speakup hotkeys? I am unable to get light 
tracking mode.


Thanks a lot,

Pavel



Dne 01. 10. 23 v 14:13 Linux for blind general discussion napsal(a):

That's how I installed archlinux.  To get speakup going on archlinux when
you boot and hear the tones, downarrow once then hit enter then wait.
Speakup should come up.  When it does and you're at the root prompt then
get highlight tracking on with speakup.  Then run archinstall and you
should find it much more verbal and workable.
In additional packages to get espeak-ng installed and able to work when
that prompt comes up you need to add espeakup espeak-ng and alsa-utils.
Once you get all other questions answered you'll be offered the
opportunity to chroot into your new system and customize things.  Do that
and in there systemctl enable espeakup and also enable dhcpcd systemctl
enable dhcpcd.
If none of that works then you got a bad copy of archlinux and need to
complain to your internet provider and have them fix your internet so that
doesn't happen again and by none of this I mean on boot downarrow then hit
enter at the tones if you don't get speech or the install breaks somewhere
else you may have made a bad choice but if packages install fails that's
definitely an internet provider screw up.


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order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


Hi,

Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to install
it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no
more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu based
and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I think
it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash
installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to install
mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned
on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible.

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Re: [Jgeneral] Problem with install

['bobtherriault' via General]

It worked for me on a Mac using version 9.4

Cheers, bob

JVERSION
Engine: j9.4.1/j64avx2/darwin
Build: commercial/2023-02-27T15:26:07/clang-14-0-0/SLEEF=1
Library: 9.4.22
Qt IDE: 2.0.3/6.2.4(6.2.4)
Platform: Darwin 64
Installer: j9.4 install
InstallPath: /users/bobtherriault/j9.4
Contact: www.jsoftware.com

> On Oct 2, 2023, at 10:52 PM, William Szuch  wrote:
> 
> install 'github:jsoftware/stats_r'

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[Jgeneral] plot: unable to produce jpg, png etc

['Ian Shannon' via General]

I'm certain this is not a J issue. It is likely a ms windows or installation 
issue.

Up to about 2 months ago, I could produce graphs as png. Now I am restricted to 
on screen and pdf.


JVERSION
Engine: j9.4.2/j64avx2/windows
Build: commercial/2023-04-10T01:19:53/clang-15-0-7/SLEEF=1
Library: 9.4.22
Qt IDE: 2.0.3/6.2.4(6.2.4)
Platform: Win 64
Installer: j9.4 install
InstallPath: c:/utilities/j/j9.4
Contact: www.jsoftware.com

require 'plot'
plot *: i: 10
pd 'save png'
|domain error: chkgl2
| chkgl2 cdrc=.('"',libjqt,'" glqpixels ',(IFWIN#'+'),' i *i *i')cd y;pix


Has anyone else had problems with using the "gl" calls?
This also happens in J903 so my guess is that there is somehow a system change 
imposed by ms  which has been installed on this work laptop with negative 
results.

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ian



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Re: arch-installer accessibility

[Linux for blind general discussion]

As an adition to this, if you are away from the keys when it boots or 
you hit enter instad of down and enter, you can enable speech by doing 
the following, or here's how I do it



1. Let it time out, or hit enter, or however you get to the normal boot


2. espeak something


3.  systemctl start espeakup


That achieves the same result if you get into a normal boot, and don't 
want to reboot and go through the boot disk selection if it is giving 
you trouble




On 10/1/23 13:13, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

That's how I installed archlinux.  To get speakup going on archlinux when
you boot and hear the tones, downarrow once then hit enter then wait.
Speakup should come up.  When it does and you're at the root prompt then
get highlight tracking on with speakup.  Then run archinstall and you
should find it much more verbal and workable.
In additional packages to get espeak-ng installed and able to work when
that prompt comes up you need to add espeakup espeak-ng and alsa-utils.
Once you get all other questions answered you'll be offered the
opportunity to chroot into your new system and customize things.  Do that
and in there systemctl enable espeakup and also enable dhcpcd systemctl
enable dhcpcd.
If none of that works then you got a bad copy of archlinux and need to
complain to your internet provider and have them fix your internet so that
doesn't happen again and by none of this I mean on boot downarrow then hit
enter at the tones if you don't get speech or the install breaks somewhere
else you may have made a bad choice but if packages install fails that's
definitely an internet provider screw up.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:


Hi,

Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to install
it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no
more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu based
and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I think
it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash
installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to install
mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned
on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible.

Thanks,

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Re: [Spirit-general] [Boost.Asio] suggested to not be useful for a dedicated networking synchronous implementation where the Operating System is just a gateway

[Seth via Spirit-general]

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, at 5:44 PM, Raymond Burkholder wrote:
>  But I'll answer here anyway.  The stakeholder is probably missing some 
> important capabilities of ASIO.  it can act in sync/async modes.  In can act 
> as a gateway.  ASIO can reuse buffers.  ASIO can work to reduce the number of 
> copies made.

100% this. In fact, they also invented some limitations/specializations that 
are notoriously absent from the library. In fact it can be quite daunting to 
implement a request handling server in plain Asio (which is why e.g. Boost 
Beast exists).


>> A. Is it correct my assumption that: each and every networking solution that 
>> can be implemented in C language can also be implemented in C++, using 
>> Boost.Asio?

For some value of true, this is always true. Only, at some point you're 
effectively not using Asio anymore. But you can mix and match, so if you need 
e.g. lowlevel native access at some point, you can.

Notable areas to be wary of is: raw sockets (supported, but harder), rare 
protocols (TCP/UDP are well facilitated, ICMP and similar can be done with 
little  effort 
https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_83_0/doc/html/boost_asio/overview/networking/protocols.html,
 everything else might require substantial extension work  
https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_83_0/doc/html/boost_asio/overview/networking/other_protocols.html)

>> B. Or, is it correct my assumption that synchronous implementations might be 
>> out of scope of Boost.Asio?
They are not. But I'll add that it really sounds like you *absolutely* 
want/need aynchronous operation. Otherwise, you would basically have to resort 
to thread-per-connection model which just scales badly.

>> C. If question A. is correct, then, is it possible to use Boost.Asio for a 
>> dedicated networking synchronous architecture and implementation where the 
>> Operating System is just a gateway (as described in the quoted email)?

The wording "the OS is just a gateway" indicates sloppy specification or even 
confusion to me. The OS is always just an intermediary. The point seems to 
rather be that your application is merely a (monitoring?) gateway.

Of course it possible, and indeed, quite easy and elegant to implement this 
with ASIO. With some proper configuration you would even benefit from io_uring 
if targeting kernel 5.10+: 
https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_83_0/doc/html/boost_asio/overview/implementation.html#boost_asio.overview.implementation.linux_kernel_5_10

>> D. Or the suggested opinion of the quoted stakeholder is correct?

It's hard to say - it does sound like some aspects are not fully informed.

>> E. In case the quoted stakeholder is not correct on his assumption, do we 
>> have enough available documentation about Boost.Asio to implement a solution 
>> with the main topics described in question C.?
How much documentation is required will largely depend on how much experience 
with networking code is present - specifically on the target platform

>> F. Or, in case the quoted stakeholder is correct on his assumption: are you 
>> aware of an advisible library on top of which I might be able to develop the 
>> requested solution using modern C++, to avoid relying on a C solution?
I don't. To be honest, it feels like any other library will receive the same 
scepsis from the client's reviewers: it's simply not "how they've always done 
things" so they will be hesitant. That's just my read - obviously you have been 
in actual  contact with the reviewing engineers so should be in a better 
position to gauge the situation.

>> 
>> In advance, I appreciate very much your answers, help, and precise advice!

Just to highlight things missing from the picture:

 - this is not an ASIO mailing list. The most actively Asio support channels 
are cppslack https://cppalliance.org/slack/ - ironically most library experts 
lurk in the #beast channel. There's also an #asio channel (which might not be 
public, I don't remember) where Chris Kohlhoff is known to sometimes contribute

 - you don't describe the functionality of the application, though it seems a 
bit like you're building a pack-inspecting application proxy. It might even 
need to be a completely transparent network proxy? Be sure to ascertain which 
protocols must be supported (see also above), what QoI metrics are to be met.

 - thinking out of the box, if it's merely inspecting traffic flows, consider 
building it on iptables/BPF. You can even mock things up with tcpdump-like 
monitoring tools (or libpcap and friends in your custom code)

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Re: arch-installer accessibility

[Linux for blind general discussion]

That's how I installed archlinux.  To get speakup going on archlinux when
you boot and hear the tones, downarrow once then hit enter then wait.
Speakup should come up.  When it does and you're at the root prompt then
get highlight tracking on with speakup.  Then run archinstall and you
should find it much more verbal and workable.
In additional packages to get espeak-ng installed and able to work when
that prompt comes up you need to add espeakup espeak-ng and alsa-utils.
Once you get all other questions answered you'll be offered the
opportunity to chroot into your new system and customize things.  Do that
and in there systemctl enable espeakup and also enable dhcpcd systemctl
enable dhcpcd.
If none of that works then you got a bad copy of archlinux and need to
complain to your internet provider and have them fix your internet so that
doesn't happen again and by none of this I mean on boot downarrow then hit
enter at the tones if you don't get speech or the install breaks somewhere
else you may have made a bad choice but if packages install fails that's
definitely an internet provider screw up.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to install
> it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no
> more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu based
> and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I think
> it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash
> installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to install
> mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned
> on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pavel
>
>
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[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi,

Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to 
install it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer 
laptop, which no more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the 
script is menu based and the menu items are in single line. So has 
speakup the same mode, I think it is called as light mode, or can I 
install Fenrir to live usb flash installer? Or can I use some other tool 
to install EFI? I know how to install mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. 
Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned on, booting to Arch was 
impossible and also using vmware was inpossible.


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Re: Please support/enable https by default in the Apache web sever.

[General Email]

> I suggest you're trolling, are you on xampps public relations team, I mean
> seriously you come here pushing your agenda with arguments that don't make
> sense, but can't be bothered using your real name or real email address.
>


I am not trolling but I don't use my real name/email address online.

This is because everything online is almost public and google indexes
everything.

So, if someone searches for me online, he/she can find out what I am doing,
where am I involved, etc. and I don't want people to know all this.

GE

>

>

Re: Please support/enable https by default in the Apache web sever.

[General Email]

On Sat, 30 Sep, 2023, 9:32 pm Joe Schaefer,  wrote:

> It is insane to ask this project to cater to the interests of 10 people
> who are so PKI illiterate, the PMC needs to put the rest of the user base
> at risk just to accommodate them.
>
> Certs require mandatory user serviceable parts.  There is no meaningful
> way to  provide a default.
>
> Thanks.
>


Well, if you don't want to do this, its fine.

But you can't abuse the developers by calling them illiterate.

Your words are abusive and offensive for no reason.

I don't like abusive people like you.

I will now not continue this discussion.

By the way, I asked for this change in apache http server. But, may be
thousands of web developers also want the same change but they didn't
approach the dev people of apache http server.

But anyways, this discussion has become abusive now. So I am no more
interested in this discussion.

GE

Re: Please support/enable https by default in the Apache web sever.

[General Email]

On Sat, 30 Sep, 2023, 8:00 pm Emmanuel Dreyfus,  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 07:40:34PM +0530, General Email wrote:
> > By the way, I don't understand how the default certificate can be abused.
>
> It is not signed by a trusted CA, hence your browser cannot tell if it
> is speaking to your legitimate web server, or to some malware lurking
> in between. Perhaps your web trafic is not worth being evesdropped, but
> consider a malware could inject an exploit against your browser in your
> web trafic. The attacker could just be an infected machine on the same
> LAN.
>
> The security level of an untrusted ceritificate is not much better than
> plain text HTTP.
>


Yes, I understand this.

We will not be using the default untrusted certificate when we go live.

But during development, if 10 people are working on the development of one
website and each of them has their own apache http installation, then we
have to generate 10 certificates and do a few changes or more than few
changes to get https enabled on each of 10 installations.

Having a default certificate (not signed by trusted CA) in official http
server will make enabling https on each installation much easier and we
won't have to generate 10 certificates, etc.

Regards,
GE