Re: [Alsa-user] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed fordefault: Permission denied

2006-01-24 Thread Sebastian Reitenbach
Hi Lee and alsa users, > > > > I am trying to get a mentioned card to work. unable to find the error. > > So I downloaded the alsa-driver-1.0.9.tar.bz2 archive to have the latest > > drivers. > > > > That is NOT the latest version! The latest stable release

Re: [Alsa-user] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed fordefault: Permission denied

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 08:31 +, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote: > Hi Lee and alsa users, > > > > > > > I am trying to get a mentioned card to work. unable to find the error. > > > > > > > So I downloaded the alsa-driver-1.0.9.tar.bz2 archive to have the latest > > > > > >

[Alsa-user] USBAudio trouble

2006-01-24 Thread Julien Claassen
Hi! I've got a USB audio/midi device (Roland U8).I connected it and alsa recognised the midi-port immediately. But no audio. NOt listed anywhere (proc/asound). The device is kind of a harddisk recorder - without a disk. It has its own control-elements and onboard-FX. I don't need to rely on the

[Alsa-user] Problems with 2.6.13.1 kernel and alsa 1.0.9-rc4

2006-01-24 Thread Väisänen Teemu
Hi all. I managed to get sounds working perfectly with kernel 2.6.11 and alsa 1.0.9-rc4 with help of http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+AC97+audio.&chip=440MX%2C+i810%2C+i810E%2C+i820%2C+ICH4%2C+ICH5%2C+ICH6&module=intel8x0 (I'm having Inte

Re: [Alsa-user] Problems with 2.6.13.1 kernel and alsa 1.0.9-rc4

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 11:56 +0200, Väisänen Teemu wrote: > Hi all. > > I managed to get sounds working perfectly with kernel 2.6.11 and alsa > 1.0.9-rc4 with help of > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+AC97+audio.&chip=440MX%2C+i810%2C+i81

[Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Jonas Norberg
Hello, I am trying to get a usb audio compatible sound card to work on the kwikbyte kb9202 (www.kwikbyte.com) development board. It is a board based on the at91rm9200 circuit which has an arm920t core. I am running kernel 2.6.13 and I have the alsa usb audio device drivers compiled into the kernel

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Sergei Steshenko wrote: We have already discussed this, here's yet another opinion: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/23/214258 -> " This is why we need a kernel api and abi (Score:2) by Billly Gates (198444) Alter Relationship on Tuesday January 24, @02:03AM (#14544582) (http://www

SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Jonas Norberg
Hello peter, thanks for your reply. I have tried that but since I am running on an arm platform I do not have the full on bash and it is unfortunately not possible to run the script. Any more ideas? Best, jonas -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Peter Zubaj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skick

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Giuliano Pochini
On 24-Jan-2006 Sergei Steshenko wrote: > 1) we have an IDE drive separated from the CPU by IDE bus. The IDE drive > runs closed-source firmware, which is in terms of the controller inside the > drive still software. There is no fuss about it; > > 2) we have a WiFi card or an audio card - both s

Re: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Peter Zubaj
Hi, Try to use snddevices script from alsa-driver package. Peter Zubaj >Hello, > >I am trying to get a usb audio compatible sound card to work on the kwikbyte >kb9202 (www.kwikbyte.com) development board. It is a board based on the >at91rm9200 circuit which has an arm920t core. I am running kern

Re: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 11:56 +0100, Jonas Norberg wrote: > Hello peter, thanks for your reply. I have tried that but since I am running > on an arm platform I do not have the full on bash and it is unfortunately > not possible to run the script. > > Any more ideas? Just look at the source code to

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:54:33 + James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > We have already discussed this, here's yet another opinion: > > > > http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/23/214258 -> > > > > " > > This is why we need a kernel api and abi > >

[Alsa-user] delay in general

2006-01-24 Thread Alexander Carôt
> Good luck and let us know if you succeed. Hi Luis, thanks for the response ! I followed your link and noticed that you experience the same in/out-delay (~ 15ms) with USB-soundcards. I'm a little surprised because Emagic claims to reach delay in the area of 6ms under Windows (ASIO) but I'm wonde

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:57:58 +0100 (CET) Giuliano Pochini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 24-Jan-2006 Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > 1) we have an IDE drive separated from the CPU by IDE bus. The IDE drive > > runs closed-source firmware, which is in terms of the controller inside the > > drive

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:57:58 +0100 (CET) Giuliano Pochini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 24-Jan-2006 Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > 1) we have an IDE drive separated from the CPU by IDE bus. The IDE drive > > runs closed-source firmware, which is in terms of the controller inside the > > drive

Re: [Alsa-user] Midi support on ATIIXP

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:38:21 +0100, Harold Aling wrote: > > Harold Aling wrote: > > I own a Asus P4R800-V Deluxe motherboard which has an on board ATI IXP > > sound card. I used to have this sound card disabled because I have > > also a Terratec EWS88 MT/D 10in 10out card. I bought myself a chea

[Alsa-user] mini blocksize card

2006-01-24 Thread Alexander Carôt
Hi to all, within my research goals I'm aiming to have lowest latencies ever. Looking at typical PC-hardware it's obvious that blocksizes < 128 (sometimes < 64) are impossible to reach due to the PCI bus with its DMA-transfers. So - what I thought of was building a "stand alone soundcard" able to

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Sergei Steshenko wrote: This has ZERO to do with ALSA, so why did you post it here? James Because: 1) the thread is about stable ABI, among other things; 2) because people complain HERE that older version of ALSA with older kernel version used to work and after the upgrade ALSA stops work

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Bill Unruh wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 06:02 +0200, Sergei Steshenko wrote: I was talking about the moral/ideological issue. My point is that from moral/ideological point of view it doesn't make sense to insist on OSS only in one case. It's not a mora

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:03:45 +0200, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > P.S. On Mandriva 2006.0 'xpdf' is broken. So, being constructively lazy, > I just replaced it with the one from Mandriva 10.2. Of course, I did this > by picking Mandriva 10.2 'xpdf' RPM. That is, I reverted to older BINARY > version.

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:20 + James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sergei Steshenko wrote: > >> This has ZERO to do with ALSA, so why did you post it here? > >> > >> James > >> > > Because: > > > > 1) the thread is about stable ABI, among other things; > > 2) because people

Re: [Alsa-user] Midi support on ATIIXP

2006-01-24 Thread Harold Aling
Takashi Iwai wrote: Right, it's not supported snd-atiixp. But you can load snd-mpu401 as an additional card. If the mpu port is decalred as a PnP device, it's autoloaded via ACPI PnP. Note that the midi device created will be the secondary. You'll need to access it via hw:1 (/dev/snd/mid

Re: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:56:05 +0100, Jonas Norberg wrote: > > Hello peter, thanks for your reply. I have tried that but since I am running > on an arm platform I do not have the full on bash and it is unfortunately > not possible to run the script. % sed -e's/^function //g' < snddevices > snddevic

[Alsa-user] Blaster Value SE support

2006-01-24 Thread Indra Polak
Hi there, I tried yesterday to get my new card working, a Creative Audigy SE. I followed instructions as per http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Audigy+SE.&chip=CA0106&module=ca0106 Which says: -- Card working on ALSA # 1.0.11rc2

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:42:32 +0100 Takashi Iwai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:03:45 +0200, > Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > > P.S. On Mandriva 2006.0 'xpdf' is broken. So, being constructively lazy, > > I just replaced it with the one from Mandriva 10.2. Of course, I did this

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Giuliano Pochini
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > Comparing the above two I'd say that the difference is IDE bus vs. PCI > > > bus. > > > > > > So, why do we have such a discrimination here. Aren't buses and drivers > > > created > > > equal ? > > > > No, because the firmware runs on the devi

SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Jonas Norberg
Hello Takashi! I am running the BusyBox 1.00 and there is an ash in there. So I tried to exchange the #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/ash in the beginning of the alsaconf script, the effect is: - /mnt/PoC/sound/alsa-utils-1.0.9/alsaconf # ./alsaconf ./alsaconf: 69: [[: not found

Re: [Alsa-user] Blaster Value SE support

2006-01-24 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Indra Polak wrote: Hi there, I tried yesterday to get my new card working, a Creative Audigy SE. I followed instructions as per http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Audigy+SE.&chip=CA0106&module=ca0106 Which says: -- Card work

Re: Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Peter Zubaj
>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:20 + >James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sergei Steshenko wrote: >> >> This has ZERO to do with ALSA, so why did you post it here? >> >> >> >> James >> >> >> > Because: >> > >> > 1) the thread is about stable ABI, among other things; >> > 2) becaus

Re: Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Peter Zubaj
>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:20 + >James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sergei Steshenko wrote: >> >> This has ZERO to do with ALSA, so why did you post it here? >> >> >> >> James >> >> >> > Because: >> > >> > 1) the thread is about stable ABI, among other things; >> > 2) becaus

Re: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:52:41 +0100, Jonas Norberg wrote: > > Hello Takashi! > > I am running the BusyBox 1.00 and there is an ash in there. So I tried to > exchange the #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/ash in the beginning of the alsaconf > script, the effect is: > - > /mnt/PoC/s

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:47:47 +0200, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:42:32 +0100 > Takashi Iwai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:03:45 +0200, > > Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > > > > P.S. On Mandriva 2006.0 'xpdf' is broken. So, being constructively lazy,

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:59:14 +0100 "Peter Zubaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:20 + > >James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Sergei Steshenko wrote: > >> >> This has ZERO to do with ALSA, so why did you post it here? > >> >> > >> >> James > >> >

SV: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Jonas Norberg
I think that solved the first issues but then it stops again at: - /mnt/PoC/sound/alsa-utils-1.0.9/alsaconf # ./alsaconf ./alsaconf: 94: getopt: not found /mnt/PoC/sound/alsa-utils-1.0.9/alsaconf # - Is it possible to replace

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:14:15 +0100 Takashi Iwai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:47:47 +0200, > Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:42:32 +0100 > > Takashi Iwai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:03:45 +0200, > > > Sergei Steshenko w

[Alsa-user] Blaster Audigy SE support

2006-01-24 Thread Indra Polak
Ok here is the output of version and cards. cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10. Compiled on Nov 23 2005 for kernel 2.4.27-2-386 with versioned symbols. jupiter:/home/indra# cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CA0106 ]: CA0106 - CA0106

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Jaroslav Kysela
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > Takashi, as end user I want to know nothing about alsa-lib and kernel. > > I want to have a website with driver per card, i.e. I want to perform > only intellectualy primitive lookup operation: read the file names in > repository, find the file which

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Sergei Steshenko wrote: Takashi, as end user I want to know nothing about alsa-lib and kernel. I want to have a website with driver per card, i.e. I want to perform only intellectualy primitive lookup operation: read the file names in repository, find the file which matches my card name and inst

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:39:06 + James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > Takashi, as end user I want to know nothing about alsa-lib and kernel. > > > > I want to have a website with driver per card, i.e. I want to perform > > only intellectualy primitive lo

Re: [Alsa-user] Blaster Audigy SE support

2006-01-24 Thread Indra Polak
I looked around for files jupiter:/# find . -name snd-ca0106.o -print ./home/indra/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.11rc2/modules/snd-ca0106.o ./home/indra/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.11rc2/pci/ca0106/snd-ca0106.o ./lib/modules/2.4.27/misc/snd-ca0106.o ./lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-ca0106.o And i look

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:16:52 +0200, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:14:15 +0100 > Takashi Iwai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:47:47 +0200, > > Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:42:32 +0100 > > > Takashi Iwai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: SV: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:13:48 +0100, Jonas Norberg wrote: > > I think that solved the first issues but then it stops again at: > - > /mnt/PoC/sound/alsa-utils-1.0.9/alsaconf # ./alsaconf > ./alsaconf: 94: getopt: not found > /mnt/PoC/sound/alsa-utils-1.0.9/alsaco

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 06:47, Sergei Steshenko wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:42:32 +0100 > >Takashi Iwai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:03:45 +0200, >> >> Sergei Steshenko wrote: >> > P.S. On Mandriva 2006.0 'xpdf' is broken. So, being constructively >> > lazy, I just rep

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 07:50, Sergei Steshenko wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:39:06 + > >James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sergei Steshenko wrote: >> > Takashi, as end user I want to know nothing about alsa-lib and >> > kernel. >> > >> > I want to have a website with drive

SV: SV: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Jonas Norberg
So as I see it I have two options: (1) upgrade the busybox so that it will have the necessary commands for the alsaconf script to work, or (2) do everything manually. Takashi, is it a lot of more things than just mknod with the right major and minor that have to be done? I mean the driver works ju

Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:46:51 +0100, Jonas Norberg wrote: > > So as I see it I have two options: (1) upgrade the busybox so that it will > have the necessary commands for the alsaconf script to work, or (2) do > everything manually. And, note that alsaconf would work only for PCI, PnP and a little

Re: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Raja Mallik
Try mknod /dev/mixer c 14 0 mknod /dev/sequencer c 14 1 mknod /dev/midi c 14 2 mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3 chmod a+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/sequencer /dev/midi This will work only if your Busyboy has mknod utility.. Also port "setmixer" #setmisex vol 100 #setmixer pcm 100 if you want to set high

Re: [Alsa-user] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failedfordefault: Permission denied

2006-01-24 Thread Sebastian Reitenbach
Hi again, ===snip= ===snap= > > Try running the "snddevices.sh" script that comes with alsa... > I try to find the snddevices.sh but unfortunately cannot find it on my harddisk. so googled for it, and found out that it has to be in the alsa-

SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Jonas Norberg
Then just two more questions: 1. can you point me to how to find the correct major and minor, and 2. which files are necessary and where should they be put? i.e. /dev/snd or just /dev? Thanks for your help Takashi. Best, Jonas -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[E

Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:38:06 +0100, Jonas Norberg wrote: > > Then just two more questions: > 1. can you point me to how to find the correct major and minor, and Look at alsa-kernel/include/minors.h. > 2. which files are necessary and where should they be put? i.e. /dev/snd or > just /dev? All n

[Alsa-user] Inputs on SB0090 Andigy not working

2006-01-24 Thread michael norman
Hi I am using an Audigy SB0090 with SUSE 10.0 and Alsa 1.0.10-0. My problem is now sound from the line inputs (they work in Win2000). KMIX sees them and I can turn the slider up but I cannot get any sound. Is there a fix for this please ? Thanks Mike -

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread John Haxby
Lee Revell wrote: I have not made any silly statements. Yes, closed source is debugged, by the people who have the source code. If parts of the kernel are allowed to be closed source it becomes impossible for anyone except the people who have the source code to the closed part to debug it.

[Alsa-user] HDSP9652 problems

2006-01-24 Thread Eckhard Jokisch
Hello, I have tried to get my new hdps9652 to do something but it didn't work. lsmod: Module Size Used by radeon 97120 1 drm65556 2 radeon uhci_hcd 30096 0 analog 10656 0 ns558 5252 0 gamepor

SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Jonas Norberg
I tried the script but there are a number of problems due to the busybox implementation of grep and ln. I attach the stderr output as a file. Is it possible to adapt the script so it will work on the busybox? Best, Jonas -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL P

Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: [Alsa-user] alsa /dev files not created

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:28:59 +0100, Jonas Norberg wrote: > > I tried the script but there are a number of problems due to the busybox > implementation of grep and ln. I attach the stderr output as a file. Ah, how about the one below? > Is it possible to adapt the script so it will work on the bu

Re: [Alsa-user] Roland u8 question(or problem?)

2006-01-24 Thread Clemens Ladisch
Julien Claassen wrote: > I've just connect a Roland U8 usb device to my computer. Midi worked fine > from the beginning, but no audio devices were listed. The U8 is a kind of > hard-disk recorder without any disk. It has effects, control-elements and > offers some analog/digital i/os. > Does an

Re: [Alsa-user] delay in general

2006-01-24 Thread Clemens Ladisch
Alexander Carôt wrote: > 3.) Has anyone information about the communication layer USB-audio puts on > top of the PCI-bus and how much delay it takes ? USB data is sent in packets; time is divided into one-millisecond frames. USB audio sends the data for one millisecond in one packet (per frame). T

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:39:06 + James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What we have with Linux is better than what you want. You install the Linux kernel, and you have support for all sound cards already there. No need to go searching

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:37:10 -0800 (PST) Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:39:06 + > > James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> What we have with Linux is better than what you want. > >> You

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:37:10 -0800 (PST) Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:39:06 + James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What we have with Linux is better th

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 12:49, Sergei Steshenko wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:37:10 -0800 (PST) > >Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: >> > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:39:06 + >> > >> > James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> What

Re: [Alsa-user] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failedfordefault: Permission denied

2006-01-24 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:13:55 -, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote: > > Hi again, > ===snip= > ===snap= > > > > Try running the "snddevices.sh" script that comes with alsa... > > > I try to find the snddevices.sh but unfortunately cannot find it on m

[Alsa-user] Could not set rate

2006-01-24 Thread Sebastian Tennant
Hi all, I have the following ~/.asoundrc in place: pcm.!default{ type hw card 1 device 0 } ctl.!default { type hw card 1 device 0 } # for use with aoss pcm.dsp0 { type plug slave.pcm "hw:1,0" } However I still have to launch Stanford's snd with the command: $ SNDLIB_ALSA_DEVICE="hw:

Re: [Alsa-user] HELP Sound Blaster 0410 only one channel out

2006-01-24 Thread clemens
> On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 21:08 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > OK, Im a nubie to Alsa, so this is probably a simple/stupid > > question. > > > > I Just added a Sound Blaster Live! (24 bit) 0410, to a running > > Fedora 4 System (2.6.11 Kernel,- but later available). > > > > It correctly(?) use

Re: [Alsa-user] HELP Sound Blaster 0410 only one channel out

2006-01-24 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Im a nubie to Alsa, so this is probably a simple/stupid question. I Just added a Sound Blaster Live! (24 bit) 0410, to a running Fedora 4 System (2.6.11 Kernel,- but later available). It correctly(?) uses the snd-ca106 kernel module. But, I have a default /etc/asou

[Alsa-user] SBlive using emu10k1x on DELL machines

2006-01-24 Thread Nigel Henry
Are there any particular problems using this preinstalled card on Dell machines. Putting aside the need to use a snd-emu10k1x rather than a snd-emu10k1 driver. Are there problems loading soundfonts to this card? I presume that apart from making sure that awesfx is installed, the only other slig

Re: [Alsa-user] HELP Sound Blaster 0410 only one channel out

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 12:31 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 21:08 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > OK, Im a nubie to Alsa, so this is probably a simple/stupid > > > question. > > > > > > I Just added a Sound Blaster Live! (24 bit) 0410, to a running > > > Fedora 4 Sy

[Alsa-user] SBlive using emu10k1x on DELL machines

2006-01-24 Thread Nigel Henry
Are there any particular problems using this preinstalled card on Dell machines. Putting aside the need to use a snd-emu10k1x rather than a snd-emu10k1 driver. Are there problems loading soundfonts to this card? I presume that apart from making sure that awesfx is installed, the only other slig

[Alsa-user] Re: SBlive using emu10k1x on DELL machines

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 21:41 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > Are there any particular problems using this preinstalled card on Dell > machines. Putting aside the need to use a snd-emu10k1x rather than a > snd-emu10k1 driver. Are there problems loading soundfonts to this card? I > presume that apart f

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 09:37 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > It might be, but it in general is not. It is not possible for the > average > user to just recompile. He almost certainly did not install the > development > stuff when he installed Linux. He probably did not install the kernel > source when he

Re: [Alsa-user] Re: SBlive using emu10k1x on DELL machines

2006-01-24 Thread Nigel Henry
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 22:06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 21:41 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Are there any particular problems using this preinstalled card on Dell > > machines. Putting aside the need to use a snd-emu10k1x rather than a > > snd-emu10k1 driver. Are there problems

Re: [Alsa-user] Re: SBlive using emu10k1x on DELL machines

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 22:19 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Tuesday 24 January 2006 22:06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 21:41 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > Are there any particular problems using this preinstalled card on Dell > > > machines. Putting aside the need to use a snd-emu1

[Alsa-user] ALSA lib control.c:739:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default

2006-01-24 Thread Jonas Norberg
Hello, I am trying to get a usb audio compatible sound card to work on the kwikbyte kb9202 (www.kwikbyte.com) development board. It is a board based on the at91rm9200 circuit which has an arm920t core. I am running kernel 2.6.13 and I have the alsa usb audio device drivers compiled into the kernel

[Alsa-user] Low frequency distored with Edirol UA25

2006-01-24 Thread Christian Gagneraud
Hi all, I'm experiencing some crapping noise when playing sound with ardour/jamin. The amount of crap/distortion depend on the amount of low frequency. In jamin when playing higher frequency in solo mode, i have a quite clean sound ever if i put a high volume in ardour. When playing only middle

[Alsa-user] Edirol UA25 not detected when "Advanced mode" on

2006-01-24 Thread Christian Gagneraud
Hi all, I'm getting another problem with my new edirol UA25. As describe in the subject, if i put the switch "Advanced mode" on my ua25, the card is not detected when i plug in the USB cable, with this switch off, it is detected and i can use it (but with a quality sound problem i describe in a pr

Re: [Alsa-user] Edirol UA25 not detected when "Advanced mode" on

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 00:07 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm getting another problem with my new edirol UA25. > As describe in the subject, if i put the switch "Advanced mode" on my > ua25, the card is not detected when i plug in the USB cable, with this > switch off, it is dete

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 09:37 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: It might be, but it in general is not. It is not possible for the average user to just recompile. He almost certainly did not install the development stuff when he installed Linux. He probably did not in

Re: [Alsa-user] Edirol UA25 not detected when "Advanced mode" on

2006-01-24 Thread Christian Gagneraud
Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 00:07 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>I'm getting another problem with my new edirol UA25. >>As describe in the subject, if i put the switch "Advanced mode" on my >>ua25, the card is not detected when i plug in the USB cable, with this >

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > AAgrhaheh. The claim from you was that it is easy for a user to update > the drivers for a new kernel, or install new drivers which had been > developed to a new kernel. Just three lines-- untar, configure and > make. I point out that it is NOT

Re: [Alsa-user] Edirol UA25 not detected when "Advanced mode" on

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 00:20 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 00:07 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > > > >>Hi all, > >> > >>I'm getting another problem with my new edirol UA25. > >>As describe in the subject, if i put the switch "Advanced mode" on m

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > This discussion also began from the difficulties that sound card > manufacturers have in supporting Linux. They cannot simply include a > binary > driver module which the user can install on his system. This is true > whether they > include so

Re: [Alsa-user] Edirol UA25 not detected when "Advanced mode" on

2006-01-24 Thread Christian Gagneraud
Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 00:20 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > >>Lee Revell wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 00:07 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, I'm getting another problem with my new edirol UA25. As describe in the subject, if i put the

Re: [Alsa-user] Edirol UA25 not detected when "Advanced mode" on

2006-01-24 Thread Christian Gagneraud
Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 00:20 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > >>Lee Revell wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 00:07 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, I'm getting another problem with my new edirol UA25. As describe in the subject, if i put the

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 11:54, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > We have already discussed this, here's yet another opinion: > > > > http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/23/214258 -> > > > > " > > This is why we need a kernel api and abi > > (Score:2) > > by Bill

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 12:15, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > -- > > Giuliano. > > Look, "the device" a piece of metal, with electric motor(s) and a piece > of plastic (the device PCB) on which the controller, which is also kind > of CPU for the device, is installed. > > "The CPU" is also a CPU, w

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: AAgrhaheh. The claim from you was that it is easy for a user to update the drivers for a new kernel, or install new drivers which had been developed to a new kernel. Just three lines-- untar, configure a

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:51 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > >> AAgrhaheh. The claim from you was that it is easy for a user to update > >> the drivers for a new kernel, or install new drivers which had b

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: This discussion also began from the difficulties that sound card manufacturers have in supporting Linux. They cannot simply include a binary driver module which the user can install on his system. This

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:51 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: AAgrhaheh. The claim from you was that it is easy for a user to update the drivers for a new kernel, or inst

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Theodoros V. Kalamatianos
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Bill Unruh wrote: I simply do not have the technical knowledge to know if this is the problem or if there are other technical problems with making modules "stable". Certainly something about the interfaces is "stable". Alsa 1.0.x can be compiled against kernel 2.6.y, or eve

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:13:35 -0800 (PST) Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 09:37 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > >> It might be, but it in general is not. It is not possible for the > >> average > >> user to just recompile. He al

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:51:44 -0800 (PST) Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > >> AAgrhaheh. The claim from you was that it is easy for a user to update > >> the drivers for a new kernel, or inst

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:00:06 -0800 (PST) Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:51 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > AAg

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 01:06 +0200, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > Again, if I remember correctly, Peter Zubaj said that ALSA developers > care > more about themselves and the development process than about end > users. I do > not remember the exact words, but I believe that was the sense. Go away, tro

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Ilia Mirkin
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:51 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:13 -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: > >> AAgrhaheh. The claim from you was that it is easy for a user to update > >> the drivers for a new kernel, or install new drivers which had b

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Unruh
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Theodoros V. Kalamatianos wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Bill Unruh wrote: I simply do not have the technical knowledge to know if this is the problem or if there are other technical problems with making modules "stable". Certainly something about the interfaces is "stable".

[Alsa-user] Still some issue with Edirol UA25

2006-01-24 Thread Christian Gagneraud
Hi, I have fixed the two preceding problems discussed on alsa-user mailing list (1: "advanced mode" switch on lead to card not recognized. 2: lot of clip/distortion on output). These problems was solved by updating alsa kernel modules and alsa lib to 1.0.10. I'm am using ardour with jamin as inse

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:23:00 -0500 Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 01:06 +0200, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > Again, if I remember correctly, Peter Zubaj said that ALSA developers > > care > > more about themselves and the development process than about end > > users. I

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Theodoros V. Kalamatianos
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Bill Unruh wrote: While this is true, it would seem that a more stable system than is now in place could surely also be designed. Ie, a driver compiled against one of the kernels 2.6.x-y would work on any of the others of that series. I disagree. linux-2.6.0 was released I

Re: [Alsa-user] stable APIs and ABIs

2006-01-24 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Wednesday 25 January 2006 01:01, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:23:00 -0500 > > Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 01:06 +0200, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > Again, if I remember correctly, Peter Zubaj said that ALSA developers > > > care > > > more

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