And I don't think his posrt implied that the people of Asbury are any
different. Very few Cities of 17,000 people have the available
expertise to put together such a huge development. I don't think
Belmar or any of the neighboring towns would fare any better unless
they searched and imported
Your point is well taken. The City sold/gave Asbury Partners the beach
front sites because they wanted something done with them to move the
City's revitalization forward as soon as possible. Asbury Partners has
waited and will wait until the area is well under way and they can flip
the
I agree that Asbury has the potential for the kind of ultrahigh-end,
flagship shopping that you envision. Properly restored the Casino, CH,
HoJos, Charms, Most of Cookman Ave., the Britwoods, etc. all could
support that vision. (Keep in mind that those types of flagship stores
often don't
Thanks for reading the agreement and keeping track.
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Sent: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:50:20 -
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Tommy: Your position doesn't make sense to me based on a legal or
business concerns. I have been on the government side of real estate
law for about 10 years (with NYS, NYC and Roosevelt Island). Every
sizeable development I have worked on resulted in mutiple litigations.
None of those
You should do more of that. It would be more interesting than most of
the banter.
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Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Now back to the Poll !
I'd vote again, but 1 only
Let's drop the election as the source of all discussion. Just because
a majority opted to stay with the the devil they know doesn't mean
they can't complain or even that they were satisfied with the
incumbents in the first place. It's the road not taken now.
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From:
Were the court cases reported or appealed? If so please let me know
the names of the parties.
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Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:04:49 EDT
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Atlantic and Belmont Hotels
i have a friend
Skip - Dan Give it at least one day of a chance. Jim Keady and Ed
Johnson may see eye to eye - and may exert some influence - and change
Asbury's direction. A watchdog group has been needed in this town for
some time now and could also help Keady and Johnson. Let's be open to
some
I second that thanks. The candidates that took the time and money to help form a vision of what Asbury can be were as valuable in some cases as the candidates. Many of the points they made will still help to shape our future.-Original Message-From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
You have to use what's available or else do your own census or study.
The other choice is to do neither and have absolutely no idea what's
going on. Come on you want to try and adjust the stats and come up
with a range - then go ahead. The exercise is still valid and
important.
Thanks for the well stated assessment. You clarified what I was feeling. (Just a little joke but I do agree)-Original Message-From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:29:57 -Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: CHECKMATE!
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Do you know for a fact that Rich is the owner? I can't understand why
Fernicola brought the action if they didn't try for the approvals
first. Even if I felt I had a case without them I'd still try and push
the process forward.
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To:
Right you are but the first question is: what are they doing on the
work-up? The second question is: how low or high is it? And the third
is: what are the legal ramifications? Things inquiring minds want to
know.
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To:
I didn't say that all gay people in town support the present
Council. I was explaining, to the best of my ability, why a largely
gay political action committee supported the present Council.
Regarding John Lofreddo (or Loffredo - I've seen it both ways)
specifically, he seems to inspire
Dan:
Everything doesn't have to be a huge fight. Dane is merely
campaigning for his candidates. I don't see a diatribe in there at all.
You know I don't agree with the choices but people are entitled to
promote the candidates they believe in. If you want to take issue with
the endorsement
Yes that's the over-view of the stereotypical process. But places like
San Francisco, Key West, Miami are more fun and more profitable. And
Asbury could be one of those. These places have no problem mixing the
populations. And the retention of the gay community has been integral
to
I sent a donation to Friends of Asbury but failed to include the
necessary info. I sent one to Koperweis for Council as well and did
include the necessary info. Maybe you could cross-reference. Name:
Mark Tyler; My address for voting purposes is 617 Sewall Ave., Apt. 2,
Asbury Park, NJ
Sorry - thought that was a private post.
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Sent: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:34:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Support your candidates
I sent a donation to Friends of Asbury but failed to include the
necessary info.
Ask right now - they're in the phone book.
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From: charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AsburyPark] dead lines
its clear that asbury parnters hasnt held up their end
of the bargin, when
I said it wouldn't be legal in NY. In NJ my research indicates that
there are cases that support the argument that the sale could be
vacated but it's not per se illegal. It's true that Asbury Partner's
clearly is warehousing property but that's been said a thousand times.
-Original
Maureen: That copy is priceless. That has to go into a Christopher
Guest movie about Asbury Park. Really very amusing. Although I did
shudder with fear at times.
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Sent: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:02:13 EDT
Subject:
I like Ernie Cote's slogan. He's humorous and right on target. What's
the scoop on Cote?
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The issues of preservation are not new to Asbury Park - this has
been said one thousand times. There are many buildings that have been
left to crumble completely and have been rebuilt all over the world and
up and down the east coast of the U.S. - from Newport to Cape May to
Miami and
I have sent a contirbution to Koperweis Council after reviewing the
debates. Keady, Schneider and Lamberton should post how to contribute
to their campaigns.
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It says nothing at all does it? Well I can guess your educational
resume. In any event the subject is fairly well studied. I read
today that in systems where elected officials are subject to the rule
of law (like the U.S.) there is a correlation between lack of education
and corruption.
This list has been criticized for not allowing different and positive points
of view. I think it is in everybody's best interest to make different points
of view welcome on the list. So I am glad to facilitate that.
But I must confront the armchair/Monday morning quarterback analogy. That
I agree with almost everything you said. A change for the sake of a change is
probably doomed. Unless I have a candidate with substantially better
credentials I may end up voting for one or more on the re-elect ticket myself.
But the better deal in the wings part I don't see. My complaint
I said that the waterfront condos are not required to pay the school tax - not
that I think they shouldn't have to. I believe the fact is they don't have to
- it's part of the abatement - at least that is what I have been told. The
examples of the fire dept and police dept. are not the same
Can you give us the drift of the article that appeared 4-25-02?
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Dan: Charlie has made those same arguments for 4 years. They've been refuted
a thousand times. JerseyJohn did an accounting of all the developers that have
tried to get in here. It's quite a number. Unfortunately despite all the
facts that make those same arguments untenable, Charlie and
The Lofreddo letter in the Coaster is a little hard to understand. None of the
listed items can possibly have anything to do with the valuation of the
triangle property. The property's value cannot drop because of unrelated
aspects of the redevelopment agreement. And, all of the items
You can go back through all of the old posts and read what has already been
said. You will quickly learn which ones to skip. You can also go back and
read past posted articles on www.asburypark.net www.gayasburypark.com
www.app.com (they have an Asbury Park redevelopment link on the first
Rizz - If you want to air facts about Depetro's behaviour then you should do
it. We aren't his rental tenants and so we know what we see which is properly
restored buildings. If Depetro is a bad or illegal landlord then he should get
in trouble for that. None of that (even if true) changes
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Well you hit the nail on the head. Although the Palace would fail as a useable
comparable, it does say APartners thought the property was worth at least that
amount. Property values are higher now. Dan doesn't know that we jumped up
and down about this already years ago. I have always
Thank you. Asking for a more reasonable price is not the same as trying to
stop construction. Besides they must know that such a lawsuit could be brought
at any time and they're choosing to go forward anyway. If such a suit was
brought what would stop them from continuing? No one is saying
I don't think that the List has limited what is allowed. Jersey John has shown
substantial support for conservative issues contrary to most of the list - as others
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