Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread SuperQ
GaryB;187965 Wrote: Well we don't want to make this too easy for you, so we'll offer multiple choices and see if you can guess the right answer. Break-in is: ---Gary Another one I saw on the forms is: * The time period you need to get over buyer's remorse, so you are less likely to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread AndyC_772
GaryB;187975 Wrote: For another and perhaps better informed opinion, take a look at the following FAQ written by Jim Hagerman of Hagtech. He's a very good engineer and makes quality audio products and kits at reasonable prices. The FAQ is here: Have you actually read the FAQ? He quite

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread P Floding
GaryB;187975 Wrote: For another and perhaps better informed opinion, take a look at the following FAQ written by Jim Hagerman of Hagtech. He's a very good engineer and makes quality audio products and kits at reasonable prices. The FAQ is here: http://www.hagtech.com/burn.html And

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread Deaf Cat
mmg_fan;187955 Wrote: I'm auditioning some anti-cable interconnects and speaker cables on my system (Magnepan MG12's, Jolida hybrid amp) and though a bit bright sounding, overall I am quite pleased. But the literature accompanying them suggests a minimum of 200 and up to 500 hours of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Little office/bedroom system

2007-03-15 Thread Deaf Cat
Did a little further digging, Anybody heard these : http://www.hhb.co.uk/hhb/uk/products/detail.asp?ID=1897 ? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread GaryB
tyler_durden;187978 Wrote: The guy is selling a $500 cable break-in device so his opinion is more informed? TD, You do have a way of creating a strawman and then knocking it down. I recommended Hagerman's site because he admits he doesn't know why burn-in works scientifically but does

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread

2007-03-15 Thread 325xi
Audioengine 5 active speakers have been mentioned many times lately, but the contexts were so different it's quite difficult to get more less clear picture of how good or bad they are for a person used to audiophile quality gear. If anyone compared, or heard and remembers the impression on how

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread AndyC_772
Thing is, though, he's not just saying I can't justify the effects of cable 'burn-in' scientifically, but people claim to be able to hear a difference, so I believe there is a genuine effect on the properties of the cable and I have a product which I believe may stimulate and accelerate the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread tyler_durden
GaryB;188040 Wrote: TD, I recommended Hagerman's site because he admits he doesn't know why burn-in works scientifically but does offer his own empirical findings. He also has built some relatively affordable burn-in accelerators and they seem to sell well. I find this market acceptance an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread

2007-03-15 Thread P Floding
325xi;188052 Wrote: Audioengine 5 active speakers have been mentioned many times lately, but the contexts were so different it's quite difficult to get more less clear picture of how good or bad they are for a person used to audiophile quality gear. If anyone compared, or heard and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread P Floding
tyler_durden;188062 Wrote: What engineering? The guy simply recognizes that there are a number if insecure in-duh-viduals out there with disposable income to throw away on junk, so he provides the junk. Here's an old saying that may help you through the rest of your audio life: if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread opaqueice
GaryB;188040 Wrote: TD, You do have a way of creating a strawman and then knocking it down. I recommended Hagerman's site because he admits he doesn't know why burn-in works scientifically but does offer his own empirical findings. He also has built some relatively affordable burn-in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread haunyack
AndyC_772;187999 Wrote: Have you actually read the FAQ? He quite openly admits to having absolutely no clue what 'break-in' might actually be doing to the cable, or what the effect (if any) is on its measurable parameters. Instead he writes a load of fluff like It is needed to format and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread slimkid
hi mmg_fan, I just noticed you got MG12, rather than MMGs. So, how do you like them with Yolida? Can you tell there are tubes in the path (as opposed to some SS amp of the similar level)? Is Yolida capable of driving MGs? Back to the topic. Can you, with your equipment, tell the difference

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 - Disabling power to analgue sections

2007-03-15 Thread plim
There are are few threads on the subject of the SB3 internal power supplies, but I was wondering if anyone could guide me on how to disable the power to the analogue sections of the SB2 (two). Basically, I want the digital coax out and the screen; everything else can be disabled. I looked at the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics

2007-03-15 Thread Nostromo
I'd be willing to bet if he A/B'd the Transporter with a Squeezebox that despite numerous attempts he couldn't tell the difference. Anyone here tried to A/B a Squeezebox with a Transporter? I would like very much to hear the result. -- Nostromo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 - Disabling power to analgue sections

2007-03-15 Thread Deaf Cat
Could try the attenuation mute tweek :) In the Squeezebox settings, under volume, set the attenuation to 63 if I remember correctly, and see if that makes any difference. Once muted voices sounded more real to me, but the music seemed to lack the bite that I like, so I have it at 9. :) --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread ErikM
Here's a simple test that anyone can try. It validates what Hagerman is saying, to an extent. Asumming that one has a decent system and can hear differences say between speakers ( we can all agree that speakers sound different)listen to your system for a few minutes. Then remove the interconnect

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread P Floding
ErikM;188119 Wrote: Here's a simple test that anyone can try. It validates what Hagerman is saying, to an extent. Asumming that one has a decent system and can hear differences say between speakers ( we can all agree that speakers sound different)listen to your system for a few minutes. Then

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread Deaf Cat
ErikM;188119 Wrote: What you'll most likley hear is that your system now sounds brighter, less good, less as it sounded before. This effect will pass in a few hours to as much a day, and your system will sound as before. The question, if you hear this phenomenon, is why? I have an idea but

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread tyler_durden
ErikM;188119 Wrote: Here's a simple test that anyone can try. ...snip... What you'll most likley hear is that your system now sounds brighter, less good, less as it sounded before. This effect will pass in a few hours to as much a day, and your system will sound as before. The question, if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread ErikM
Certainly unhooking and rehooking will slightly clean the connections.. but that would make things sound better asumming that ones contacts are that dirty or corroded. Of course if you did try what I suggest (maybe clean the contacts first) and heard a diference what would you do?? Would you even

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread P Floding
ErikM;188131 Wrote: Certainly unhooking and rehooking will slightly clean the connections.. but that would make things sound better asumming that ones contacts are that dirty or corroded. Of course if you did try what I suggest (maybe clean the contacts first) and heard a diference what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sonos with Transporter

2007-03-15 Thread ErikM
For any cables I'd suggest that you LISTEN to them. If you are in the USA you can Borrow cables from http://www.fatwyre.com before buying. If you have a good system the differences will be obvious, but don't believe me or anyone else, decide with your own ears. -- ErikM

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sonos with Transporter

2007-03-15 Thread yooper
I assume you already purchased your XLR cables. However, if not, two six foot runs of Canare L-4E6S Star Quad 4 conductor mic cable and Neutrik XLR connectors for $30.00. Many colors and lengths to choose from. http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=SC100XXJoff=120sort=prod --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread opaqueice
ErikM;188131 Wrote: Certainly unhooking and rehooking will slightly clean the connections.. but that would make things sound better asumming that ones contacts are that dirty or corroded. Of course if you did try what I suggest (maybe clean the contacts first) and heard a diference what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics

2007-03-15 Thread tyler_durden
Why are all the audio reviewers so far out of touch with technology that they use things like apple lossless and windows media lossless files for their tests? 99% of the world that isn't magazine reviewers uses flac. Methinks they've been polishing their styli too long... TD -- tyler_durden

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics

2007-03-15 Thread johann
tyler_durden;188171 Wrote: Why are all the audio reviewers so far out of touch with technology that they use things like apple lossless and windows media lossless files for their tests? 99% of the world that isn't magazine reviewers uses flac. As long as they use lossless formatm why would

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB

2007-03-15 Thread Anne
For Bryston users : Just came over this : http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_4_3/bryston3b5b.html this is an old article, but maybe its still true, I dont know. Seems that maybe an NOS dac would be the way to go for Bryston users, or ? -- Anne

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread ErikM
Wow! So if I hear a difference its not real? You mean I did hear a difference, but really I just thought I heard it, so all these years when I bought better speakers, and electronics,which I thought sounded better I wasn't really hearing better sound I just thought I was? WOW, you mean that those

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics

2007-03-15 Thread sonofcolin
What I love about this review is that in the summary every category gets 5/5 except one (7 categories) and then at the end the value (taking into account all the previous scores) is 3.5? Someone can't do math! -- sonofcolin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread opaqueice
ErikM;188184 Wrote: Wow! So if I hear a difference its not real? You mean I did hear a difference, but really I just thought I heard it, so all these years when I bought better speakers, and electronics,which I thought sounded better I wasn't really hearing better sound I just thought I was?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?

2007-03-15 Thread azinck3
ErikM;188184 Wrote: Wow! So if I hear a difference its not real? You mean I did hear a difference, but really I just thought I heard it, so all these years when I bought better speakers, and electronics,which I thought sounded better I wasn't really hearing better sound I just thought I was?

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)

2007-03-15 Thread kphinney
This may be a bit longwinded: I've read a good portion of the posts regarding FLAC / WAV, etc. quality, but I feel this may be of particular interest to Mac/iTunes users, given the transcoding and playing software. After reading the posts I took the general consensus of users and stuck with ALAC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)

2007-03-15 Thread P Floding
kphinney;188191 Wrote: This may be a bit longwinded: I've read a good portion of the posts regarding FLAC / WAV, etc. quality, but I feel this may be of particular interest to Mac/iTunes users, given the transcoding and playing software. After reading the posts I took the general

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)

2007-03-15 Thread kphinney
P Floding;188195 Wrote: You say WAV sounds better, but fail to mention on what system and any other context that might be useful to know. I know it was a long post and it may seem hidden in the text but I did state WAV sounded a lot better than ALAC using only headphones out from my Mac.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread

2007-03-15 Thread 325xi
moshulu;188151 Wrote: Funny - this very evening I set up a pair of Audioengine 5s. So I can't help responding, even though I cannot provide the desired comparison. My new speakers are installed in a tiny kitchen, on top of the refigerator. They are driven by a Zune - Microsoft's Ipod

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records Studio Masters on Tp SB3

2007-03-15 Thread Digital Audiophile
Josh Coalson;187979 Wrote: I *hope* that's not the reason Linn went with WMAL instead of FLAC! are the tracks DRMed? anyway I am considering using one of the reserved codes (there are 3 left) in the frame header for 88.2KHz and letting it be in the subset. as far as FLAC is concerned

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)

2007-03-15 Thread P Floding
kphinney;188196 Wrote: I know it was a long post and it may seem hidden in the text but I did state WAV sounded a lot better than ALAC using only headphones out from my Mac. Perhaps if you quantify what context you feel would be useful I could attempt a more well rounded answer.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)

2007-03-15 Thread P Floding
kphinney;188206 Wrote: Perhaps the Mac does something bad, but with Apple's anal attention to detail I thought that their proprietary ALAC would sound at least as good as WAV. Especially when using their own software. I'll post when I get a chance to stream to the SB3. I'm hoping that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Nuforce monobloks

2007-03-15 Thread Highlander
Anyone using a tubed amplifier with their Transporter? -- Highlander Highlander's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33327

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:BEST classical music review site

2007-03-15 Thread gordon
I find the New Yorker's classical music reviewer, Alex Ross, to be quite interesting and knowledgable. He's had a big influence on my CD collection and listening habits. Here's the New Yorker's web site: http://www.newyorker.com/arts He also has a blog that is quite interesting:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:BEST classical music review site

2007-03-15 Thread gordon
Sorry, here's the correct link to Alex Ross's blog: http://www.therestisnoise.com/ -- gordon gordon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10711 View this thread: