Hi Keith,
I find the Mac / DAC1 using an optical cable comes very, very close to
my CDX2 / XPS2. My wife can detect the differences more than I can!
She thinks the Naim sound is more 'lively' and 'punchy' but I think
that is the Naim house sound coming through.
I have not found the Benchmark
Do try different dac's I was underwhelmed by the dac 1 its
performance was significantly less than an £80 behringer src 2496, not
just my viewthe dac1 owner sold the benchmark and bought an src and
saved £700. The SB3 even into a dac will benift from a better psu ,
there are plenty out
Hi sonofcolin,
Glad to know there is someone out there who knows where I'm coming
from.
I tried the Bel Canto REF monoblocks as an alternative to my Naim amps,
but decided not to buy them, as I was still wedded to all my Naim power
supplies and pre-amp etc... and also at that time I couldn't
Hi zanash,
zanash;234266 Wrote:
Do try different dac's I was underwhelmed by the dac 1 its
performance was significantly less than an £80 behringer src 2496, not
just my viewthe dac1 owner sold the benchmark and bought an src and
saved £700. The SB3 even into a dac will benift
Monty,
I can't comment on the Behringer, but I can on the £150 Derek Shek1 Nos
Dac versus the BM Dac1. The BM is almost £500 more expensive and to my
ears, it's worth every penny. The Shek1 is marginally better than the
stand alone sb3. The BM Dac1 takes the sb3 into cdx2/xps2 territory.
Keith
Hi monty
Sonus faber used the Dave Berning ZH270 when the did the voicing of the
cremona.
I have both the sb3 and transporter , the stock sb3 really issent that
fare behind.
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Monty_W;234269 Wrote:
Hi zanash,
How would you describe the differences between the DAC1 and behringer?
I'd be interested to hear your views.
Thanks,
MontyW
I've heard Zanash's modded SRC and also a DAC1 in my own system. I
preferred the SRC. The DAC1 was just to dry and
Monty_W wrote:
I have not found the Benchmark to be clinical, but have found it to
expose poor recordings, where as the Naim CDP seems to deal with poorer
recordings slightly better.
I am very, very happy with the Dave Berning amp and Sonus Faber
speakers, but really like the idea of having
Seeing as you're in the UK, it would also be worth considering a SB+.
I've got both a SB+ and a Transporter, and there's no contest between
the two.
Mr Sukebe - Be interested to hear how your SB+ performs with and
without the Bel Canto Dac.
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If I were to purchase a Lavry DA10 then I'd need to get its XLR
connections to talk to RCA inputs on my amplifier. This would be an
unbalanced connection. It seems there would be three options:
A. Stick a couple of XLR(F) to RCA(F) adaptors into the back of the
DA10, then use my current
Ray70;234352 Wrote:
Mr Sukebe - Be interested to hear how your SB+ performs with and without
the Bel Canto Dac.
Ray My opinion is that the DAC2 is not better, just different. I've
compared briefly between the two and there really is very little in
overall difference.
The reason why I use the
I just decided to replace my black Arcam pre- and amps with a Bryston
integrated in silver. My Transporter is black, so I'm wondering if
there's an easy way to swap faceplates to the silver one.
I recall that this was possible with the SB3.
The Bryston integrated amp (B100DA) has a built-in
Mr_Sukebe;234356 Wrote:
Ray My opinion is that the DAC2 is not better, just different. I've
compared briefly between the two and there really is very little in
overall difference.
The reason why I use the DAC2 are:
- I use a Behringer DEQ2496 between the SB+ and my DAC (purely in the
Let me see if I got this right. If it measures great but sounds like
crap you'd go for the measurements? You got to be kidding right? At the
end of the day forget the objective/subjective debate we ALL use our
ears to listen. And isn't the point of all of this, to acheive good,
great, amazing,
The problem lays in common misbelief that the best thing for audio is
zero-distorted signal. This is correct for mastering, but clearly
contradicts psychoacoustics when taken in context of end-user
listening, aimed for enjoyment rather then evaluation. There are
certain types of distortion that
Using adaptors to convert XLR to RCA won't degrade the signal as long as
the cable run is not to long as it would be unbalanced. I would put the
adaptors on the back of the DA10 then use your excisting
interconnects.
The pin spec for a UK XLR is
1 - Ground
2 - Hot
3 - Cold
For US I think it is
They ain't cheap, but Cardas makes some really nice XLR-to-RCA adapters
(http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=productscontent_id=14pagestring=Adaptersproduct_id=52)
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325xi;234370 Wrote:
The problem lays in common misbelief that the best thing for audio is
zero-distorted signal. This is correct for mastering, but clearly
contradicts psychoacoustics when taken in context of end-user
listening, aimed for enjoyment rather then evaluation. There are
certain
Speed;234371 Wrote:
To make a XLR to RCA cable join Ground Cold
Whoah there! You do NOT want to ground either leg of the signal when
taking an XLR output to an RCA input. That is going to short the
output.
For going XLR output to RCA input, the non-inverting (+) line should go
to the RCA and
Wow 325xi I think I agree with you! After many years of audiophileness
I've come to the simple conclusion that ALL audio equipment is flawed.
One will never be able to recreate the live or recorded performance in
ones room, simply because it's your room, it's not the concert hall,
stadium or that
Skittler;234380 Wrote:
Ah, so a pre-made connector isn't necessarily going to work, as it may
(will?) have the -ve connected?
It depends on the sex of the xlr. Chances are good that if it fits in
an XLR output it is correct. However, it should be checked with an
ohmmeter to make sure that one
325xi;234370 Wrote:
The problem lays in common misbelief that the best thing for audio is
zero-distorted signal. This is correct for mastering, but clearly
contradicts psychoacoustics when taken in context of end-user
listening, aimed for enjoyment rather then evaluation.
Your definition of
Ah, so a pre-made connector isn't necessarily going to work, as it may
(will?) have the -ve connected?
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325xi;234370 Wrote:
The problem lays in common misbelief that the best thing for audio is
zero-distorted signal. This is correct for mastering, but clearly
contradicts psychoacoustics when taken in context of end-user
listening, aimed for enjoyment rather then evaluation. There are
certain
ErikM;234366 Wrote:
Let me see if I got this right. If it measures great but sounds like
crap you'd go for the measurements? You got to be kidding right? At the
end of the day forget the objective/subjective debate we ALL use our
ears to listen. And isn't the point of all of this, to acheive
There is no faceplate on the Transporter. It's a big honking chunk of
machined aluminum with an integrated/attached pcb on the inside for the
controls and the 2 VFD displays.
So that would be a no. It would be easier and cheaper to buy a new one
in silver and sell your old black one.
Mike
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Monty_W;234418 Wrote:
Hi,
Please excuse my ignorance - but what is the SB+??
MontyW
It's a heavily modified SB3. http://www.at-tunes.co.uk/
My Marantz SA-11S1 and Spacedeck have seen little use since it arrived.
Patrick Dixon, the man behind the SB+ is a member of this forum as well
as
Monty_W;234268 Wrote:
I tried the Bel Canto REF monoblocks as an alternative to my Naim amps,
but decided not to buy them, as I was still wedded to all my Naim power
supplies and pre-amp etc... and also at that time I couldn't get a demo
of one of their DAC's.
I found removing the NAIM
Thanks for the response. I've done this in the past with some other
components but I understand that it's not always possible.
Guess I need a silver Transporter...
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Monty_W;234268 Wrote:
Hi sonofcolin,
What are you using to connect your Powerbook to the DAC3?
MontyW
A USB cable
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Bolder Mod SB3 Bel Canto DAC3 Bel Canto Ref 1000's Dynaudio
Contour 3
Hi,
Please excuse my ignorance - but what is the SB+??
MontyW
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servies wrote:
ErikM;234366 Wrote:
Let me see if I got this right. If it measures great but sounds like
crap you'd go for the measurements? You got to be kidding right? At the
end of the day forget the objective/subjective debate we ALL use our
ears to listen. And isn't the point of all of
Hi sonocolin,
Have you tried an optical cable from your Mac to the DAC?
sonofcolin;234421 Wrote:
A USB cable
Instead of the USB?
MontyW
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Robin Bowes;234428 Wrote:
Unless you're not measuring the right thing.
Exactly. The available means for measurements, especially if we take
complexity of human perception into the picture, can only be compared
to an attempt of describing an elephant by its mere length from it's
tale to the
Monty_W;234426 Wrote:
Hi sonocolin,
Have you tried an optical cable from your Mac to the DAC?
Instead of the USB?
MontyW
No. I think that the USB cable is the better option and is the one
recommended by Bel Canto for connecting PC/Mac's.
I use the digital connection (coax) on the SB3
Blimey Ray,
Thanks for the link to the SB+ !!
MontyW
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325xi;234244 Wrote:
Ok, as a physicist, do you believe that cable geometry and material
(particularly isolation) properties don't make any difference in
audible spectrum? That would be strange because at least geometry
directly affects RLC numbers... But then cables made from perfectly
Ray70;234429 Wrote:
It's a heavily modified SB3. http://www.at-tunes.co.uk/
My Marantz SA-11S1 and Spacedeck have seen little use since it arrived.
Patrick Dixon, the man behind the SB+ is a member of this forum as well
as Pinkfish and he's very helpful. There is a 30 day return policy
Ray70;234429 Wrote:
It's a heavily modified SB3. http://www.at-tunes.co.uk/
My Marantz SA-11S1 and Spacedeck have seen little use since it arrived.
Patrick Dixon, the man behind the SB+ is a member of this forum as well
as Pinkfish and he's very helpful. There is a 30 day return policy
seanadams;234387 Wrote:
It depends on the sex of the xlr. Chances are good that if it fits in an
XLR output it is correct. However, it should be checked with an ohmmeter
to make sure that one side is not connected.
BTW it is unlikely that shorting one of the outputs will actually harm
the
Hi,
How much is the SB+?
MontyW
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Robin Bowes;234428 Wrote:
Unless you're not measuring the right thing.
I have two cables. They both measure exactly the same (90 cm), yet one
clearly sounds different than the other.
R.
Apparently you have such excellent hearing that you can hear the
difference between a cable with a
Monty_W;234467 Wrote:
Hi,
How much is the SB+?
MontyW
It's a £1000. I think there's also a DACless version for £800. Sounds
pretty steep when compared to a bog standard SB3, but I can assure you
it's good value. Listening to mine right now and I think I could be in
for another late
Er, thanks mftech. I think.
Something in plain English would help though.
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Ray,
Looks like I'm in for an exciting time. I have just dropped a line
asking how I go about getting a home demo.
Thanks for the reply.
MontyW
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servies;234469 Wrote:
Apparently you have such excellent hearing that you can hear the
difference between a cable with a length of 90.001 cm and a cable
with a length of 90.002 cm, you must be a true 'audiophile'
then...
Yawn...
I believe Robin's point is that there may be
I just switched to silver components and would like to keep the colors
consistent in my rack, which is in my living room. Anyone want to trade
a perfect black Transporter for a silver one?
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servies wrote:
Robin Bowes;234428 Wrote:
Unless you're not measuring the right thing.
I have two cables. They both measure exactly the same (90 cm), yet one
clearly sounds different than the other.
R.
Apparently you have such excellent hearing that you can hear the
difference between a
Monty_W;234477 Wrote:
Ray,
Looks like I'm in for an exciting time. I have just dropped a line
asking how I go about getting a home demo.
Thanks for the reply.
MontyW
Before spending $2000 do yourself a favor and compare it blind to a
stock SB3. Just make sure the levels are matched
jeffmeh wrote:
servies;234469 Wrote:
Apparently you have such excellent hearing that you can hear the
difference between a cable with a length of 90.001 cm and a cable
with a length of 90.002 cm, you must be a true 'audiophile'
then...
Yawn...
I believe Robin's point is that
servies;234394 Wrote:
Nope, you misunderstood.
If it measures the same, it can't sound different.
No no no - you just are unable to understand that we may not be
measuring the right things yet. Why can't you accept that we may not
know exactly what to measure at this time?
Because we do not
It would be a good idea to mention where you are
This is an international forum after all! Dave
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Ok so lets back up a bit...
In an un-balanced connection you have two wires, a signal and a ground.
In a balanced connection you have three wires, a positive polarity
signal, a negative polarity signal, and a ground.
A balanced input works by taking the positive signal and subtracting
the
You're thinking of running a $1000 DAC into $300 speakers? IMO that's
totally insane - I would advise spending maybe 70% of the entire system
budget on speakers. You'll get a much, much bigger bang for your buck
that way then on any source.
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opaqueice;234561 Wrote:
You're thinking of running a $1000 DAC into $300 speakers? IMO that's
totally insane - I would advise spending maybe 70% of the entire system
budget on speakers. You'll get a much, much bigger bang for your buck
that way then on any source.
I upgraded my speakers
auronthas;234553 Wrote:
Need your advice. What to upgrade next on my current audio system shown
below to improve sound quality with budget of US 1000?
I intend to add Benchmark DAC into my current setup, will it be a big
improvement to the sound system? My room size is small which is 10'
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