paul.raulerson;693720 Wrote:
Well, not to belabor the point either, but of course it does. If one
program is a memory player and one is not, it can make all the
difference in the world.
The programs we are talking about are rippers. If two rippers (of the
standard sort that the TAS people
paul.raulerson;693720 Wrote:
snip
As for a large number of people, well, where there is smoke, you can
bet some form of combustion is happening. The reasons or explanations
the give are probably less than accurate, but that something is
happening is probably pretty likely. Again,
totoro;693725 Wrote:
People once believed the earth revolved around the sun.
Have we stopped believing this now? Wow, you stop paying attention for
5 minutes...
(Sorry - I agreed with every other word of your post :))
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Also consider zaTelnet - works on both iPhone and iPad - and only 69p
for full version. Some of the reviews are rather negative, but this
won't impact on the very simple task we are asking it to do. I use it
on both iPhone and iPad to ssh to two Touches - fix the IP addesses on
the router and
totoro;693725 Wrote:
The programs we are talking about are rippers. If two rippers (of the
standard sort that the TAS people are talking about, that used standard
library functions to write data to disc) write out bit-identical files,
if there are any differences at all due to the location
I've mentioned this book in the past, but a very readable tome on the
subject of human perception is Dr. Cordelia Fine's A Mind of Its Own:
How Your Brain Distorts Deceives.
Expectation bias is far too limited a term as it implies we can only
be fooled by what we already expect. Things are far
paul.raulerson: Wrote:
I have been told I have been brainwashed by a cult. :)
No, it means you're human. Surprise!
I read your explanation of your home tests and the confidence you
derived from them. That's a great way to make a personal decision
regarding the equipment and accessories you
I think we are in danger of losing the plot of this thread here (if it
ever had one?).
Let's seperate 3 things:
1) The TAS article, in particular its claims about wav-flac conversion
being an irreversible, detrimental process. This is what I'm railing
against when I attack them. It is just a
I took my Touch apart to bypass the capacitors and when i put it back
together the display was turned off in the toolbox. I had to turn it
back on. Last night my power flashed off and on and this morning the
display was turned off again. That is the only function that changes on
its own. Is there
Agree Phil, except the Linn comment is wrong their DS products are
structurally identical to Squeezethings, all are networked players,
indeed ethernet only!
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DaveWr;693772 Wrote:
Agree Phil, except the Linn comment is wrong their DS products are
structurally identical to Squeezethings, all are networked players,
indeed ethernet only!
Yes - I was thinking about the earlier machines (like the Kivor -
remember those?) - not the modern (DS) ones
Sorry, forgot about the Kivor, similarly the Cyrus systems. Never saw
the point of the all-in-one. As you described difficulties of computer
systems affecting audio, and why put quickly obsolete storage stuff in
with relatively stable network and audio technology.
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DaveWr;693780 Wrote:
Sorry, forgot about the Kivor, similarly the Cyrus systems. Never saw
the point of the all-in-one. As you described difficulties of computer
systems affecting audio, and why put quickly obsolete storage stuff in
with relatively stable network and audio technology.
chill;693738 Wrote:
Have we stopped believing this now? Wow, you stop paying attention for
5 minutes...
(Sorry - I agreed with every other word of your post :))
Got me. :) It was late, I somehow switched earth and sun. Sorry about
that, I do this kind of switcheroo in code
paul.raulerson;693754 Wrote:
Perhaps. However, in this thread, just by saying I can hear a
difference in two USB cables between a particular machine and a
particular DAC, I have been told I have been brainwashed by a cult. :)
Not by me, as I hope you noticed :).
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sb touch
paul.raulerson;693754 Wrote:
Here we fundamentally differ. If someone thinks they hear a difference,
then they do hear a difference. It is just asinine to say the don't, and
serves no purpose.
Unless that 'someone' is a company or trying to sell you something, or
trying to come off as
mlsstl;693759 Wrote:
No, it means you're human. Surprise!
However, a husband and wife working together to confirm what the
husband believes he already hears hardly qualifies as a blind test.
Just another variant of the old even my wife could hear it! proof.
You sir, do not know my wife.
Pretty much 100% agree Phil. Except of course, a Squeezebox sounds
better if the LMS is running on Linux or MacOS instead of Windows.
-Paul
(grin - you realize I am pulling your chain right? :) )
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totoro;693793 Wrote:
I'm sorry, but at this point in the argument (ok, discussion :) ) you
seem to be pretty much ignoring the fact that there is a well
established literature on the way we humans trick ourselves. There are
some videos on youtube by Ethan Winer and Poppy Crum illustrating
paul.raulerson;693812 Wrote:
Pretty much 100% agree Phil. Except of course, a Squeezebox sounds
better if the LMS is running on Linux or MacOS instead of Windows.
-Paul
(grin - you realize I am pulling your chain right? :) )
:-) oh yeah... nearly got me!
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You
I would like to be able to play the following peripherals via a sound
system based on your recommendations:
Turntable
CD-player
DVD player
HD TV
Squeezebox Touch
I have a couple of Definitive Technology tower speakers. I can get
more speakers for the home theater situation.
What do you guys
paul.raulerson;693820 Wrote:
Going out on a limb here, but some folks I know claim that emailing a
file can change it and make it sound different. I would normally
discount that out of hand, but this came from a very noted record
producer and engineer with her own studio. That gives me
Wombat;693829 Wrote:
At least we now can imagine were your gullibility comes from if you
correspond with such people.
:(
Ah, and you make my point about the ugly trolls prowling around the
Internet. I said that the people I was talking with are respectable
enough to make me at least think
paul.raulerson;693820 Wrote:
A friend of mine has a saying he is fond of, and that is that none of
this is a life or death type of issue - we are not killing babies here.
He's right.
I've said this before and I'll say it again:
I agree that the grand scheme of things home audio isn't all
paul.raulerson;693820 Wrote:
Going out on a limb here, but some folks I know claim that emailing a
file can change it and make it sound different. I would normally
discount that out of hand, but this came from a very noted record
producer and engineer with her own studio. That gives me
darrell;693838 Wrote:
This is easy to clear up. compare the emailed file (bit for bit) with
the original. If it is the same, it is the same, and will sound the
same, regardless of the credentials of those who say otherwise. If it
is not the same, all bets are off.
The argument from
Sounds like Cookie Marenco. Google her for all kinds of audiophile
hilarity.
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paul.raulerson;693820 Wrote:
Going out on a limb here, but some folks I know claim that emailing a
file can change it and make it sound different. I would normally
discount that out of hand, but this came from a very noted record
producer and engineer with her own studio. That gives me
paul.raulerson;693820 Wrote:
I also have a friend who is convinced that the power supply makes a
difference when ripping. I have listened to a bit of his stuff, and
darned if I didn't think I heard a difference. Note - think - I am
NOT convinced I actually did hear a difference. Unlike with
pongagt;693763 Wrote:
I took my Touch apart to bypass the capacitors and when i put it back
together the display was turned off in the toolbox. I had to turn it
back on. Last night my power flashed off and on and this morning the
display was turned off again. That is the only function that
ralphpnj;693842 Wrote:
3) I uploaded this flac file to a newsgroup which means that the flac
file was converted into a yEnc file (a yEnc encoder converts binary
data, like the data (not music!!!) in a digital audio file, into text)
and that yEnc file was then split into several smaller
andy_c;693862 Wrote:
uuencode and base64 sound waaay better than yEnc. :D
Which font was used on the newsgroup any serifs would add a peculiar
edge on stuff :D
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Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621
Sorry if this is off topic. Is there a way to get the instructions from
the Soundcheck site. Maybe in a text or WORD file?
Thanks!
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dbare;693865 Wrote:
Sorry if this is off topic. Is there a way to get the instructions from
the Soundcheck site. Maybe in a text or WORD file?
Thanks!
Just copy and paste the text to a text or word document yourself , Mark
it on the screen copy and paste.
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Mnyb;693864 Wrote:
Which font was used on the newsgroup any serifs would add a peculiar
edge on stuff :D
I use only monospaced fonts when reading newsgroups, as the uniform
spacing between bytes reduces jitter considerably! :D
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I stated to read around here is not worth but on the other hand you guys
are really a funny crowd sometimes :)
Excuse me if i came across arrogant. You deserve a gold medal for
consistency and nerves of steel!!
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andy_c;693877 Wrote:
Stick around man! Sanity is not so easy to find in audiophile forums.
Of coarse i will :)
But always when i read such luch statements like this:
paul.raulerson;693808 Wrote:
Actually, we set up the tests so that they were blind, in fact as well
as in principal, and I
What I've noticed is that people who value blind tests know that they
are difficult to perform correctly, and are therefore unlikely to
perform such tests on a hypothesis having little merit. And yet one
reads claims of blind testing of pretty questionable hypotheses, with
alleged positive
chill;693843 Wrote:
Paul - the problem with this is PRECISELY the same as the problem with
those daft TAS claims. If a file ripped on a PC with a lousy power
supply is bit-for-bit identical with one ripped from a PC with a better
power supply, then the power supply made no difference. Just
Wombat;693879 Wrote:
Of coarse i will :)
But always when i read such luch statements like this:
Closing one eye for a moment on a sighted test is the max i anticipate
of such a claim.
Then you are being nothing more than an arse. For one thing, I didn't
test to convince you, just
andy_c;693883 Wrote:
What I've noticed is that people who value blind tests know that they
are difficult to perform correctly, and are therefore unlikely to
perform such tests on a hypothesis having little merit. And yet one
reads claims of blind testing of pretty questionable hypotheses,
paul.raulerson;693887 Wrote:
Whooo boy. Are you guys really going around the world to get next door.
It's really pretty simple - there is no club initiation to enjoy home
audio as a hobby. No certification exams, nor any oversight agency
checking credentials.
That's fine. In that case,
totoro;693725 Wrote:
Not sure that either people are capable in general of detecting
bullshit, or that it's strictly relevant here
Partially I like to argue for the fun of it. Partially because people
like item_audio who spew bullshit really annoy me, and I don't see any
reason why they
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