Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread Julf
ralphpnj wrote: > I suppose that one could just compare the measured dynamic range (via > the foobar plugin or an equivalent) of a 24bit/44.1kHz audio file and > the same audio in a 16bit/44.1kHz file. if the dynamic ranges are the > same (which they absolutely should be) then a 24bit file is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread philippe_44
The Art of (making a lot of money from) Noise LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread Archimago
pablolie wrote: > ... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, > someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision > an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... > > - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV > - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread Archimago
jfo wrote: > It seems that the industry still hasn't come with a meaningful standard > definition of Hi Res, so we will continue to see marketing hype for so > called Hi Res material. Dr Mark Waldrep sums up the industry approach > nicely in an excerpt from his post CES blog > > "There

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread jfo
It seems that the industry still hasn't come with a meaningful standard definition of Hi Res, so we will continue to see marketing hype for so called Hi Res material. Dr Mark Waldrep sums up the industry approach nicely in an excerpt from his post CES blog "There seems to be a collective

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread mlsstl
This falls in the "heavy sigh" category for me. The vast majority of recordings, even classical, get nowhere near to using the full dynamic range of the 16/44.1 format as it is, which is already a good 30 dB better than what the highly vaunted vinyl LP is capable of. Well recorded CDs are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs - Built-in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
Apesbrain wrote: > "Correcting" my two listening rooms is the most interesting and > meaningful thing I've recently done with my Squeezebox system. I spent > $75 for a UMIK-1 calibrated microphone and downloaded the free REW > measurement suite. Implemented 3-4 parametric equalizer filters in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread mlsstl
Interesting discussion about Roon. I've thought about getting that at times for the simple reason of the expanded database and info. It would be interesting to know more about the recording and artists, but I'm so-so about the trivia aspect of music info, as in the drummer on this album played on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
My limited experience with room correction is comprised of the Audessy DSP in my Marantz HTR. it came with a microphone and a cardboard stand which a set up in the primary listening position and ran the set up. Based on how much better the surround sound sounds compared with the older Marantz

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread Apesbrain
pablolie wrote: > Room correction. I have experimented with it. Not yet sold on existing > solutions. Call me old fashioned. Maybe I lucked out with my current > room. But I am sure it'll get there and make a huge difference. mlsstl wrote: > I've tried digital room correction and it didn't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs - Built-in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread d6jg
On the integration front I can see the benefit of Roon but I'd only ever want it via an iPad app - preferably built in to iPeng - I don't want to have to have a PC on to access the data. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
garym wrote: > This is one of the nice things about Roon (that I've trialed). The UI > on an album or song has a tremendous amount of info at your fingertips. > I see the atist, composer, etc. It shows me other albums the artist or > composer appears on, other artists that have done the same

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
Wombat wrote: > The 24/44.1 recordings i analysed lately with a typical DR8 or lower use > maybe 12-14bit for music the rest is noise. The usable resolution above > the noisefloor does not change even when they sell you 32bit. Julf wrote: > It is indeed high resolution - noise. And no, it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread Julf
It is indeed high resolution - noise. And no, it doesn't matter - you won't hear a difference, at least not blind. I keep asking for examples of commercial recordings with a dynamic range exceeding 16 bits, and I still haven't found one. "To try to judge the real from the false will always

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
I knew there'd be great replies here. I can't agree more about keeping relying on Amazon, iTunes or Spotify as guardians of my music collection. I have bought video on Amazon outright, only to see it disappear when the studio and Amazon have a spat - often permanently. And did Amazon notify me

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
garym wrote: > For example, if I click on the "Miles Ahead" album, it pulls up the > basic info and tracks, etc. Then I click on credits and it gives me all > sorts of info on who played, etc. My pics don't do a good job of > capturing the actual interface, which is full screen, but you get the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread garym
For example, if I click on the "Miles Ahead" album, it pulls up the basic info and tracks, etc. Then I click on credits and it gives me all sorts of info on who played, etc. My pics don't do a good job of capturing the actual interface, which is full screen, but you get the idea. And you can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread garym
ralphpnj wrote: > > The integration of various kinds of information about a recording within > a music app will continue to improve so that in the future when > listening to a given piece of music one will , hopefully, be able to > quickly access all of the this information and fully explore

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread wortgefecht
My two cents: binaural recording or similar techniques for audio and video. Not room correction, but "bubbles of sound" or similar immersive systems. Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6 mit Tapatalk Current setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > Pro-Ject DAC Box E > AKG

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread Wombat
The 24/44.1 recordings i analysed lately with a typical DR8 or lower use maybe 12-14bit for music the rest is noise. The usable resolution above the noisefloor does not change even when they sell you 32bit. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?

2017-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
Lately I've been seeing quite a bit of 24bit/44.1kHz recordings (aka files) being promoted as high resolution audio. Since going from 16bit/44.1kHz to 24bit/44.1kHz would only change the AVAILABLE dynamic range of a given recording, as opposed to actually increasing or even changing the dynamic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
My two cents: Room correction and DSP along with "one box" powered speakers will slowly become the norm. Internet based music streaming will soon become the disaster that internet based video streaming has become. The simple reason for this is that all the big content providers HATE streaming

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread mlsstl
Interesting topic. Hard to see the future, but I don't see things changing much for me. 1. I've tried digital room correction and it didn't really change things much or really seem worth the effort. Maybe I'm like you and am fairly lucky to already have decent acoustics. 2. Music library -- I

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
Got into a good discussion and fellow music lover over a bottle of Pinot Noir last night, and we talked about how our music listening experiences had changed... and what might happen down the road... Personally - the biggest change to my music listening *ever* was due to the SB product line a