>From a business bottom line point of view it would only have been a
mistake if they lost sales as a result, but Logitech voluntarily dropped
the whole platform, hardware and software. I am extortionately glad they
didn't pull the LMS software from the world as may have been their right
(didn't ch
My guess, in ten years time.
I suspect those that care about quality (an ever dwindling audience)
will continue to hoard media and their own fileset. The rest of the
world will realise that iTunes or Spotify or tidal is good enough and
the stream (aka personal radio station) will become the norm.
I have a couple of 24/44k files from warp records. I was disappointed
they were only 44k as they were advertised only as "24 bit flac". But
for these particular recordings they were essentially free with the CD
so I figured why not. I've not numerically analysed them to see if
there's anything oth
Mnyb wrote:
> People with "absolute pitch" hearing ? Or whats its called in english
> notice.
>
> They usually notice the 24/25 frames coversion (easiest way to get a
> movie to PAL) that where common in video conversion back in the days .
> They complained that the film score sounded wrong
They
Askim wrote:
> As to why, as tcutting and Mnyb suggests, its is to change the tuning.
>
> I was inspired to explore this by contemporary artists like Melody
> Gardot and found the movement.
>
> Ive been doing some recoding in foobar2000, but since my whole system
> is based on LMS, it would b
Sounds like it. Can I ask why? I would guess sox can do it but it will
resample to 44khz (or whatever) so it might not be pretty (particularly
if you're only changing one or other of tempo and pitch).
Are you a musician looking to play along to pitch shifted recordings?
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Not related to CRAAP, or sound quality, but for a Pi3 I would generally
recommend a 2A PSU for best stability (the CPU alone can pull nearly
1A). Though as you note, this one is lightly loaded for streaming you
may have issues during e.g. LMS rescans or reencode to mp3, or whatever.
Sent from my
Fizbin wrote:
> I use the joggler strictly for controlling.
Good choice..
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Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k
albums..
-
I assumed it would be more than just the players..
Most UPS just provide pass-through when the mains supply is on so it's
not like the power signal is modified unless it's actually running on
battery, so that would be the ultimate protection anyway.
As for the Joggler, it sounds awful no matter
I would bet the OPs amp does not use a SMPS, for a start. Have not tried
running any hi-fi gear off my UPS but I'd bet the designers did not
design with that in mind so I'd not be surprised to find at least some
mechanical vibration from the PSU. Hopefully nothing much would get
through to the aud
None of mine are greater than about 5Ah, so even that rule does not seem
to apply here...!
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albums..
True but I've not found any that quote this capability in their feature
lists, yet I have about four or five cheap, probably crap, battery units
that will all work just fine this way, and I use them on a bunch of rPis
too.
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I didnt even care what your background was, I didn't even care if you
were actually the pope or indeed someone nice in real life, I just think
it's pretty plain to see which direction the willfully insulting
language is flowing in this thread, as with so many others in the past.
I stand by my opi
arnyk wrote:
> Good, congratulations on avoiding that common illusion/delusion.
>
>
>
>
> In a way I agree with that. The real problem is that so many of the
> original masters were made with just tons of wasted bits in the name of
> fashion and style.
>
>
>
> Statements like this make it
Jeff07971 wrote:
> https://www.minidsp.com/
The 2x4 is a good price too. Worthwhile to try this out, thanks.
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> And while I don't subscribe to the theory that resources stand in the
> way of wider 24/192 acceptance...
That makes two of us then..
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arnyk wrote:
> You're like a little boy who blithely wanders from train wreck to train
> wreck that you caused, ignoring all of the damage that you do by making
> false claim after false claim and trying to make the corrections seem to
> be what you meant all along.
Not that this is a surprise b
arnyk wrote:
> If that was what you were saying then you're wrong. [] the overall
> system performance remains very slow in many critical areas despite
> dramatic performance improvements in many other areas.
So you accept there have been dramatic performance improvements, but you
state the
I can't decide whether you actually just enjoy arguments, or just don't
understand how you sound to the reader.
I was simply saying that computer systems have improved in performance
drastically while the data movement requirements of audio processing
have not. That was only a side show to the ma
Not many 10mb modems around any more. Even bog standard ADSL quotes "up
to 16mbit" these days so has to ship with 100mbit or higher on its
outgoing ports. In fact they have Gb now.
My BT fibre modem has a 100Mbit link, the cable modem I had before it
had a 1Gb port (though restricted by contract)
I got a few 24/44 flac files from warp records, that's about it for
"hires".
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arnyk wrote:
> Not really. 10BT 100BTX and Gigibit ethernet were just as fast 5 years
> ago as they are today. We had SSD's 5 years ago, and for sequential I/O
> 7200 rpm high density drives are at least aas fast as SSD's get in real
> world applications.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_
http://www.blu-ray.com/
Be selective about what you buy..
I have seen blu rays that are nothing more than upsampled DVD material,
which sucks. At least it's (hopefully) professionally de interlaced.
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> You may find this hard to believe, but a professional engineer waiting
> for excessively large files to transfer, copy and back up makes him a
> lot more impatient than it does a home hobbyist.
>
> Especially true for live recording, which is often done while enslaved
> to a cloc
arnyk wrote:
> Looks like another example of FLAC being unable to further compress real
> world files in ways that capitalize on non-trivial interchannel
> redundancy.
Sounds about right. Binary audio data has extremely high entropy and
always compresses poorly by traditional numerical methods.
arnyk wrote:
> Whether the 4K UHD streaming have any additional real world resolution
> when streamed is not a given, I don't think. I see a lot of so-called
> enhnacment artifacts, but not a lot of better video.
Agree completely. That's why I like to buy/watch blu rays given a choice
because a
Julf wrote:
> So you agree that the reason 24-bit material doesn't compress as well as
> 16 bit material is because the bottom 8 bits is basically random noise,
> not correlated between left and right channel (and thus also not
> correlated with the music)?
No, I agree that random noise compresse
Yeah it takes about six hours or so to load the 40GB of
(compressed)music I carry on my phone. This is over WiFi. I guess I
could plug it in and do it more quickly, but frankly I almost never do
this - just updates when I add new stuff or remove stuff.
This aspect is not trivial, but for the full
And so it continues.
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This is true because flac takes advantage of some of the correlation
between left and right channel in a stereo music scenario. Got a decent
pink noise generator? Run some tests.
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I agree, that would be sufficient. But, I do still like to buy media and
don't see me changing that, *yet*. Digital downloads don't feel
permanent enough for my money.
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Julf wrote:
> Yes and no - three times the cost is still three times the cost, even if
> that cost keeps getting lower.
Well, 24/48k would be less than twice the capacity. But I just don't see
this mattering. For the home user buying media the cost of getting them
a 24/48 version on e.g. DVD-A i
Ultimately, there is no killer reason to increase, so I can see I'll
never convince you that it's worth it, but equally I don't think it's
worth NOT doing it. Storage and bandwidth are trivial, just wait six
months and the space increase will be accommodated at the same price.
The only thing that
Well, I don't stream music other than radio, and yes of course I'm aware
measures were taken by the big TV streamers to provide infrastructure as
locally as possible to each network segment.
Music playback from so-called hi res (or better yet the mastering rate
24/48k if that is the norm) within
I'd be happy to play around... :)
Some artists do actually do mix-your-own multi-track sources.
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Yes it's disk space and processing load, of course. But both are still
trivial in a world with 4k UHD streaming a regular occurrence it really
doesn't matter.
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"shipping files"? Really?
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Julf wrote:
> I am glad you have faith in evolution, and think human hearing range and
> acuity will increase significantly in the future.
Don't be silly. I just don't think I'd care if my music collection took
twice as much disk space and I would be confident that even an inept
mastering enginee
So what about we avoid the resampling step to 44/16 and just start
shipping the digital masters in 96/24 or whatever they are? Why would
anyone object?
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Surely 640KB is enough for anyone? ;)
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Some may argue it's not "music", but I have a large collection of Aphex
Twin with a good complement of near- square waves in it (heavily clipped
sub bass tones in some cases). Of course, since no-one knows what those
synth notes are attempting to sound like, no-one can intuitively say
that what a
edwardthern wrote:
> Smells like Bait and coming from you and your fake audiophile friends I
> can bet it is bait. You want me to post so you can attack me...
You may be confusing me with someone else.. I don't recall having any
friends around here.. ;) I want you to post it so I can explain wh
Pls do share, if you are the sharing kind
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So, arnyk vs edwardtherm. I'm beginning to wonder if they are long lost
twins...?
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Now you are really avin a larf. Game over.
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edwardthern wrote:
> If you "Know This" then why can't you connect the dots?
>
> Cable lengths did not increase, companies etc. still use the same cable
> lengths they used before. However the standard changed to support
> "Current" cable lengths with better performance. The "Goalposts" did not
edwardthern wrote:
> No buts, loose free or not the cable and standard was IMPROVED.
> IMPROVED. therefore loose free or not, packet delivery is IMPROVED.
>
> by you thinking there is no need to improve the standard when either way
> no changes in packets can be verified. Well obviously the
edwardthern wrote:
> Because spdif cables DO sound differentLOL
Can't say I've noticed this .. ;)
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edwardthern wrote:
> For example cat5 vs cat6 there were improvement in bandwidth, overall
> loss, and better signal to noise ratio per the STANDARD. so clearly they
> measure different
But CAT5 provides lossfree packet delivery when used within
specification (i.e. short enough lengths). Lossles
Mnyb wrote:
> Note I2S he said .
>
> Has nothing to do with the topic of ethernet comunication.
>
Correct, good point. This is therefore similar to saying that SPDIF
cables sound different. More open to debate than Ethernet, but still, a
push.
edwardthern wrote:
> I use a audioquest Ethernet cable for i2s makes all the difference in
> the world over standard cable. Reaches much deeper into the music, more
> of everything. Of course you need quality gear and the ability to hear
> well to appreciate these things.
Hmm, I've used powerlin
Lalala not listening .. too busy denying climate change and telling
people black is white. (Not looking forward to my next pedestrian
crossing.)
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Always worth having gigabit.. not least for auto-uplink sensing and the
end of crossover cables!
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Interesting response. So we get i) an insult ii) a conspiracy theory and
iii) a dismissal.
Yeah, you win. For the sake of everyone I choose not to take part in
this game any longer.
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arnyk wrote:
> Asshat. Interesting term.
> Nobody ever educated you about the dangers of biting the hand that
> feeds, I take it?
I don't remember being fed by anyone. And .. uh, did you just assume
that was aimed at you?
arnyk wrote:
>
> Just another evasion of an opportunity to learn on you
Julf wrote:
> Confident enough to help figure out how to test that?
Only if it will shut a few people up. ;)
On the other hand it would save me a few quid if I can't tell, so if
it's doable, yes I am more than willing to do a trial. :)
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>
> Clear case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
>
> The results of inherently flawed experiments. I've revealed the secrets
> about how to do it right, very few ever do.
Lol, clear case narcissistic personality disorder? ;)
Just like any good sceptic I don't just believe what any ra
Ok, maybe you're right and lots of people are wrong. One thought. What
can explain the phenomenon of multiple independent reviewers/listeners
attributing the same type of character to a given DAC then? I really
don't believe there is some giant conspiracy here, with a cheat sheet
being sent out fo
Can we linguistically distinguish between "DACs" as in integrated
circuits, awaiting soldering to a board with supporting electronics,
which alone have no inherent sound (unless badly designed or faulty) and
"DACs" as in consumer electronics products that have all sorts of other
reasons why they m
Does anyone know how much it costs? If it was really, really cheap
maybe, just maybe ..
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Jeff07971 wrote:
> From what I gehter from the review the Server is both player and source,
> looks like you'd need a server at each location to be a player. How that
> works is anyones guess !
Looks like the idea is you have a music library elsewhere, you buy the
Euphony ("You Phoney"?) drive,
Julf wrote:
> I think it is a great idea, but I doubt it will help. The reason some of
> us old farts have been exposed to that same "innocent ignorance" for a
> very long time. If you try the soft approach for 10 years, and see it
> doesn't work, you realize that you will never change the mind o
rkrug wrote:
> Julf writes:
>
> > drmatt wrote:
> >> This I shall investigate (post rip checkers, certainly. Particularly
> if
> >> I can script it.). Thanks for the pointer.
> >
> > If you are on linux, and want scriptable stuff, beets is hard to
Shame. You should have said "yes". I would have believed you! :)
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I don't see any of that, I see ignorance (in the innocent, non
derogatory sense), followed by snidey in jokes and comments implying the
OP is thick, which causes automatic defensive mode, which causes the
perception that people don't want to listenand escalation to flame war.
If the first comment
Julf wrote:
> If you are on linux, and want scriptable stuff, beets is hard to beat.
Pun intended?
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Julf wrote:
> There are non-windows rippers that consult accuraterip, as well as
> post-rip checkers.
This I shall investigate (post rip checkers, certainly. Particularly if
I can script it.). Thanks for the pointer.
But I am not really concerned that my rips are broken, apart from the
(very) oc
So there you go, misunderstandings everywhere... ;)
Calm down and educate instead of berating.
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Julf wrote:
> What deeper meaning is there in misinformation based on ignorance?
The point that was missed here was simple: *why* were we talking about
how an SBT performs with LMS stopped while it drains its buffer. That is
nothing to do with ignorance, wilful or otherwise, that is
straightforwa
Mnyb wrote:
> Edit: if you use accurip you beat all high end CD drives.
I'm using cdparanoia. Windows doesn't touch my audio data.
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Julf wrote:
> I think Arny stated it pretty clearly:
>
> One could argue it is harmless - but I would disagree. Acceptance of all
> the BS, foo and pseudoscience is why we have to deal with a world where
> people can't tell true from false any more.
>
> Having a different opinion is of course t
Mnyb wrote:
> Note that I sugested "pull the plug and listen to the player buffer" as
> a way to actually understand how little the server does vs SQ . Not as
> a serius sugestion .
I knew that, because I wasn't angry when I read your post.
But angry people don't read what was written, or at t
Redbook can't be treated like a hard drive though. Yes almost every rip
should be identical, even on a cheap drive, but when you get into
re-read territory it's a bit hit and miss because there is no such thing
as a sector-accurate seek on Redbook.
Most rippers are good enough to deal with this t
So in other words you are venting your spleen. Good for you. Welcome to
the playground.
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That comment had an internal sarcastic smiley attached when I wrote it.
Unfortunately even UTF8 can't reproduce the smileys I only think about
instead of typing.
Or are you saying that quantum stuff doesn't happen? ;)
dr
Well, quantum is, *officially* fecking weird. Would not surprise me.
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>
> Squeezebox Touch have aprox 30 seconds of audiodata in the buffer for a
> CD quality flac file .
> So you can remove the ethernet cable and listen to the buffer.
Can confirm.. I stopped LMS and the SBT kept playing for a good 30
seconds before I lost audio. No change to audio qu
edwardthern wrote:
> I tried one of my old BeagleBone Blacks as a LMS, the sound was
> different vs the i7.
I would have to say that I find that hard to believe. Unless it was
genuinely not capable of providing the pre-requisite data rate due to
poor performance and you were getting glitches, or
There is no audio stream jitter until the data is loaded into a DAC.
Until that point it is just a memory buffer with numbers in.
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edwardthern wrote:
> Well if you have Golden Ears you would appreciate finessing things
> beyond what mere mortals think as relevant...:p
>
> Yeah I get what you are sayingbut...tweaking is fun and if my
> imagination can perceive a difference [even placebo] then why not?
Sure, none of my bu
And if you read around you will also see that a typical "low latency"
kernel responds, on average, more slowly than a lightly utilised normal
kernel, because the real-time variant is tuned to provide guaranteed
response times, not the fastest possible.
Secondly, and mainly, as I mentioned above,
Lms doesn't play audio, how can it exhibit jitter?
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> i3 + 6g ram is not over engineered.
>
> My LMS machine uses a i7 3.4g processor and 16g RAM with 1T SSD
>
> I think thats about normal for a server.
Agree, that is excessive for an LMS box. Given that many people are
running it quite happily on a R Pi B+, or indeed on a SB
Yeah they like to imply the low latency helps. Well, it helps startup,
no doubt.. but beyond that..
Ahem, I built an over engineered home server.. :). HP microserver, core
i3, 6gb ram, ssd boot drive, pair of mirrored western digital red nas
drives. Tbh it was cheap... The server cost a hundred q
Like all music streamers, the resource requirements are smaller than the
smallest DIMM module you can buy, and the CPU requirements are smaller
than the slowest CPU you can buy.
It's got to be Linux based if it works on "any PC".
SSD is cheap and ubiquitous. There are issues, long term, with
rel
Not really shady, I don't think. Saves an awful lot of support tickets.
And you get to scalp a few quid on the hardware margin too. It's a
product, not a freebie.
But. Yes, there is pretty much nothing at all describing what this setup
actually *does*.
Mnyb wrote:
> Wonder how open source thier OS is ? And how much they copied , is it
> mpd or something in disguise again :)
Most likely it's a realtime Linux kernel with some open source code
nicked off somewhere and a php custom front end. I would bet they spent
a lot more developing the front-e
They certainly think very highly of themselves..
I see no reference to protocols, which implies dlna/upnp.
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> It worked for the future president of the United States.
Also: lie the hardest.
And they laughed at brexit...
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> 'iZotope Vinyl'
> (https://www.izotope.com/en/products/create-and-design/vinyl.html)
Lol, close, bit that only simulates the flaws, not the "enhancement"...
:)
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Totally. And if someone created the DSP program I mentioned earlier and
it was an option on your DAC I think a lot of people would suddenly
realise it's nothing more than a /fluke/ that the distortion commonly
inherent in LP playback is something that people /like/. (And it may
well be that it's r
And so it continues. Just, stop, for once.
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Oink oink flap flap... ;)
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edwardthern wrote:
> Of course live is best followed by vinyl Digital anything is never
> as good as analog. And nothing is as good as live.
>
> But we all are just a simulation as none of this is real anyway
I know this was a troll, but jeez did you see the traces off that vinyl?
They were
http://vince-debian.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/record-sound-currently-playing-to-file.html?m=1
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Isn't it time that someone wrote a DSP module that emulates the dynamic
expansion, or inertial "ringing" that seems to be behind the "great
sound" of records..?
Actually scrub that, I'd be OK if everyone just agreed to stop mastering
digital music to the compression death zone once and for all,
a
edwardthern wrote:
> You guys are crapping all over my MPD/SL thread :mad:
>
> I should have hung an "Audiophile's Only" sign at the door!!:rolleyes:
Set it up to redirect the audio data at the alsa layer and do some
diffs. If it's sending the same bits, that's one less reason why it
might sound
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