SBGK wrote:
life's too short to listen to mp3, who records/mixes/masters in mp3 ?
The amount of reviews of digital music reduces the chance of having to
listen to shoddily recorded/mixed/mastered 24/192 FLAC.
I enjoy 16/44.1 up to 24/96 (24/192 is a bit of a luxury due to space
etc) Could
darrenyeats wrote:
Common sense at last. Funny how red book keeps on getting better as you
add room treatments and better loudspeakers...16/44 is by far the
smallest problem, if problem it is, in even the very best
installations.
Probably the biggest barrier to realism is the way music is
Fozzy wrote:
For me, morally as well as legally, one
should obtain music in a way that at least has the potential to provide
the writers and performers of the music with money unless they
specifically choose to give the music away.
In the olden days, before mass copying technology became
Soulkeeper wrote:
To me, the word combination music industry is an oxymoron. It can die
for all I care, I wouldn't piss on it if it was on fire. I am convinced
that the death of music industry will have no negative effect on music
whatsoever, probably the opposite.
Same as the death of
Triode wrote:
Yes... I'm baffled by my posts here :), but its why I wanted to split
this discussion from the thread on the Touch forum which is about
functionality not subjective impressions of sound quality.
I can believe EDO impacts sounds quality, but didn't want to claim it
initially
Triode wrote:
So are we now back to 0.6 to 0.7 being the change??? Is this shown by
the difference between the two jive_alsa files in the zip file on this
forum?
I must say I'm baffled by your posts here. Didn't you originally claim,
when you announced your EDO, that your intention was ONLY
Jake72 wrote:
With modern equipment such as DACs the signal to noise ratio is likely
to be well over 100db which is huge. It would mean I think if the signal
was 100db (a rock concert) the noise would be 1db (quieter than a pin
dropping and indeed quieter than can be measured) when the
mlsstl wrote:
That sounds great if you say it fast.
However, in the real world, when I hear someone's revealing system
after they've told me that's what I'm going to hear, there is nothing
predictable about what emerges.
Perhaps you've been blessed to be surrounded by people who use
mlsstl wrote:
I gather in your dictionary, revealing system has a solid definition
that conveys a clear meaning well understood by a wide audience? Please
share it with us.
However, that's contrary to my experience. It's one of those ephemeral
audiophile catch-phrases with no consistent
Triode wrote:
So that counts out my single ended triodes with their ac heaters then...
I suggest we don't turn this thread into a debate on whether its
possible to measure performance differences of hifi systems using single
measurement metrics though as there are many other fora for that...
garym wrote:
I cancelled spotify and moved to MOG.
I like MOG quite a lot. Can I stream it to SBT using iPeng on my iPhone?
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My guess is unable due to cognitive deficit and a severe case of Dunning
Kruger syndrome.
If I were you I'd check it out. Medicine nowadays is capable of
performing miracles.
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... say some. Others say it makes no difference. Others still say it
makes the Touch sound worse. So it seems YMMV.
You forgot the fourth option -- others never bothered to give it a try.
Which didn't prevent them from offering a strong opinion about TT3.0.
totoro wrote:
Actually, you are pretty much the poster boy for Dunning Kruger. Your
posts have this really remarkable combination of complete stupidity
mixed with a rather pathetic pseudo-intellectual snarkery. The usual
tagline for Dunning Kruger is unskilled and unaware. Change unskilled
totoro wrote:
What an amazingly witty comeback. So the way the world works is that you
act like an obnoxious moron, and when anyone calls you on it he is a
hater? Must be nice living in your own alternate universe.
That's not what I said. All I said was that you are the king of haters.
I
edodo wrote:
Best thing I happend to have upgraded in my setup is the TT 3.0 mods by
the great Soundcheck, KUDOS MAN!
If you don't hear the upgrade you are deaf!
What if you don't smell the upgrade?
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If you system is flawed how can you judge the work of Soundcheck?
Good point. I insist that Soundcheck provides me with a system that's
not flawed so that I could judge his work!
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Who says there's no difference?
I say so! It's all in your head, you know.
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Obviously not.
Aye, Captain Hindsight.
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SBGK wrote:
Think you will find that as the Touch is bit perfect that nothing can
change the sound quality, have you tried room compensation software eg
Inguz, moving your speakers or physical room improvements to stop sound
reflections ? These are all better solutions than any physically
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... yes, right between [your] sound machine Fantasy will set you
free
I also like Iron Butterfly Metamorphosis.
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Guess we'll just have to disagree. In your case, any situation where a
listener is deprived of the opportunity to confirm their conscious or
unconscious sighted bias, results can be discarded due to stress. I'm
of the opinion that blind testing often illustrates that those
mlsstl wrote:
That issue was previously addressed and then conveniently ignored by
you. You're obviously welcome to all of the enormous differences you can
muster.
See you around. I've got no urge to become repetitive.
Urine sample was previously addressed in this thread. When?
darrenyeats wrote:
Does taking the p*ss count? He-he.
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Gotcha, it's a pissing contest.
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In my opinion certain people have a deep need for a framework explaining
everything in the world and the desire to educate others about it.
In the past these people ended up as religious types but these days a
lot of them are hard core reductionist scientific types. A
RonM wrote:
Of course, Soviet Russia should be referred to in the past tense, not
the present. Or maybe it's all a matter of perception.
R.
Yeah, sort of like the racist south.
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And in Moronia, you're a wise man. Here you're just a troll.
In Hatelandia you're the king.
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Your arguments for describing the failures of double blind tests (if
they DO consistently fail) are also arguments for being even more weary
of listening tests that involve no blind testing (because you're
describing how the listeners heard differences that weren't there!).
RonM wrote:
That's kind of lame.
Soviet refers to a particular kind-of-sort-of-Marxist-Leninist
political and economic model, and you might like to think it had more
than a few tinges of fascism. One thing you can say for sure about
modern Russia is that it is no longer Soviet in
Soulkeeper wrote:
How much? ;)
And how long is the long run? A picture of a thousand monkeys with
typewriters suddenly occured to me.
No offense intended, by the way. I'm sure that both Triode and
Soundcheck have some kind of clue about what they're doing.
It didn't take Triode much
mlsstl wrote:
There you go again. Somehow blind testing is critically important in
endless other areas of science and can produce results that are credible
enough to find medicines that save lives, but cannot survive the fragile
psyche of the audiophile. My tears flow at the injustice of it
pippin wrote:
So
a) you are comparing different devices. The network connection
characteristic could be different. How is the Logi App behaving on your
iPhone? There are really only two possible reasons for a long latency:
1. iPeng was quit in the background
2. The network connection takes
TheOctavist wrote:
PSUs make no difference.
another tweak that comes up empty.
the PSU in the touch is more than fit for purpose.
Time to downgrade my PSU. I really don't need something in my system
that is more than fit for the purpose. I want everything to be just fit
for the
garym wrote:
Also consider the question of how digital feeding a DAC from a duet may
not be as good as from a Touch.
That's yet another myth promulgated by the haters. I have both SBT and
Duet feeding into the same DAC, and there is no, nor could ever be any
difference in the osund quality
garym wrote:
I didn't say there was a difference...just that many people here have
asserted a difference. But I'm a bit surprised at your response as
you've previously reported massive improvements from TT2.0/3.0 mods on
your TOUCH, which is entirely inconsistent with your statement above.
lake_eleven wrote:
Do you use SBGK's priorities with Fidelizer Or you use the Process Lasso
and SBGK's registry settings.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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They do make a difference, they sound worse...
Me too prefer the vanilla SBT
I think you may have fallen a victim of the expectation bias. All the
available measurements point to the fact that there could not possibly
be any difference between the 'vanilla' SBT and an SBT
lake_eleven wrote:
You can refer to TT3.0 thread. Soundcheck suggests use of Fidelizer on
the server while SBGK suggests Process Lasso. These changes the systems
audio thread priorities.
Hmm, I'm not familiar with those things. All I'm doing is making changes
on the SBT by going ssh into the
darrenyeats wrote:
There is also the official Logitech Squeezebox free app. I've seen this
work fine on iPad 2 at least. (The Android app has problems with Android
4.0 at the mo'.)
Darren
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In a way the official Logitech Squeezebox free app
NoRoDa wrote:
If you read my earlier posts, I was convinced that the TT3.0 made an
improvement to my system.
If you read even harder, you will see that I still think the TT3.0 makes
a difference. Not an improvement, though.
Closing my eyes made me see what the TT3.0 is, a tweak that does
Soulkeeper wrote:
If you don't expect a tweak to make a change, you're not very likely to
apply the tweak. Since you didn't apply the tweak in the first place,
the change you didn't hear didn't exist either, so you'll most likely be
correct in concluding that there is no significant change.
pippin wrote:
If iPeng is slow, it's probably because the server has to create the
artwork in the sizes iPeng uses. Should go away on the second use,
artwork is being cached by both iPeng and the server, just don't clear
amp; rescan your library too often.
The reconnect time depends a lot
mlsstl wrote:
Classic subjective response featuring the selective use of psychological
issues in audio testing.
Our poor, frightened test subjects are cowed into helpless uselessness
when they find themselves in a situation where their 100 times better,
even my wife could hear it
RonM wrote:
This is really just prime BS. Anyone with anything resembling an
education in science or a capacity for critical thinking can see it for
what it is. It's entirely supposition without so much as a single
remote kernel of truth at its core.
In this context, blind testing is
TheOctavist wrote:
bad analogy.
he isn't adding anything.
he is , at best, changing the wallpaper in the restaurant.
That too could be a minor change that can produce a big difference in
the subject's experience. No matter how much you try, you can't wiggle
out of the subjectivist
A few days ago our esteemed senior member Triode created quite a stir
when he published his Enhanced Digital Output App for SBT
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94512-Announce-Enhanced-Digital-Output-app-USB-Dac-and-192k-Digital-Ouput).
The app is awesome, as it very efficiently and
mlsstl wrote:
Personal experiences are just that - when a wallpaper change in a
restaurant improves the perceived quality of the food, that is likely to
be a one-off experience unique to an individual. Same thing with
improving the sound of one's stereo by putting photos in the freezer ala
ralphpnj wrote:
Once again you act like the master politician, who when asked a direct
question gives a totally unrelated answer. The issue at hand is whether
or not the bit perfect digital audio data stream which goes from a stock
SB Touch to an external DAC can be somehow improved so that
ralphpnj wrote:
One could use a little something called a double blind test to prove
that the differences do not exist. And let's be very clear here, there
are not two bundles of facts but only one set of facts (bits are bits)
and one set of highly subjective assertions (hearing
I agree. Forming an opinion based on one's experience and then insisting
that others be equally impressed and convinced is highly uncivilized.
It's a form of asocial behavior, and is never going to be met with
enthusiasm.
But it cuts both ways, though. Forming an opinion based on cold hard
darrenyeats wrote:
The interesting thing IME is when you have a blind test and sighted test
where everything else is the same...same tracks, system, loudness, A/B
switching, snippet length etc and yet the impressions feel so different
when listening blind. I think this is something that has
garym wrote:
A minor point: I've noticed many references in these forums and
elsewhere to blind testing as if the participants in the test need
blindfolds during the test. This is rarely the case. A double-blind
test is one in which the subject doesn't know which stimulus is being
applied
CaptBeyond wrote:
Why not put yourself on your own Ignore List to see if it works?
If it does work, perhaps your overall agitation levels may miraculously
subside.
Ever considered changing your moniker to Captain Obvious?
ralphpnj wrote:
I believe that Phil was commenting on the 100x better assertion more
than anything else. What exactly does 100x better than the Touch or the
Touch with TT3.0 default sound like? The statement is completely
deserving of any and all ridicule.
OK, I guess I've misread Phil's
SBGK wrote:
The only problem with these triode + TT3.0 + SBGK mods is that it has
enhanced the playback of 16/44.1 to such an extent that I need a display
of the sample rate to let me know whether it should sound good as
16/44.1 can't possibly sound this good.
Can't say that I could tell
SBGK wrote:
The only problem with these triode + TT3.0 + SBGK mods is that it has
enhanced the playback of 16/44.1 to such an extent that I need a display
of the sample rate to let me know whether it should sound good as
16/44.1 can't possibly sound this good.
Can't say that I could tell
Phil Leigh wrote:
1) your sanity
2) your grip on reality
Why would someone, by merely being curious and trying something out to
see if it works or not, lose one's sanity and one's grip on reality?
That sounds awfully close to those religious extremists and
fundamentalists who get easily riled
1. Buy Squeezebox Touch
2. Replace stock switching PSU with good linear PSU
3. Apply Soundcheck's TT3.0
4. Apply SBGK's latest tweaks
5. ?
6. Profit
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Me too, could hear a difference in blind tests. The factory SBT was
preferred every time.
Would that be the factory in China?
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1. Buy Squeezebox Touch
2. Ignore nitwit trolls in forums.
3. Enjoy.
4. Enjoy.
5. Enjoy.
6. Enjoy.
Ignore list not working again?
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Oh, trust me, my ignore list works just fine.
I trust you.
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insisting that there is no real difference between blue skies and grey
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SBTs. It's just not scientifically possible. You
guys are merely imagining things. How can Teddy PSU realistically make
any difference? Explain that if you can!
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make a change, it's just
not an improvement
Regards
I'm in the same camp, but sometimes I also rely on others' findings.
But we all have different tastes, some like softer sound, some like
more aggressive in-your-face sound. People are impossible to please.
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DaveWr;698858 Wrote:
In exactly the same way as the TT mods.beauty in the eye of the
beholder.
Aye, Captain Obvious!
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that resulted in you actually hearing the
differences? If yes, could you please describe the change?
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demonstrating
hysterical resistance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
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the differences are not really audible.
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strings easily go out of tune, but settle
after some (mis)use. How does that relate to audio reproduction?
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guitars should sound pretty much the same, but it's that darn
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the bitstream in any coherent/musical way without using
carefully engineered DSP.
A simple fact that seems to elude many hi-fi mags and some of their
readers...
OK, with that crackpot theory debunked, all we're left of is jitter?
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through the motions
using pro tools...
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Phil Leigh;698326 Wrote:
Merely measure them. Could not hear any difference - I did try - even
with my super wonderful headphones!
I can't recall -- did you also perform measurements for the digital
outs? And if yes, what are the measurement results?
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fabrications coming out of the cargo cultists' deluded
pathetic minds?
And finally, is the above question providing sufficient grounds for
banning me from this forum?
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Phil Leigh;698379 Wrote:
The Touch has a very different spdif circuit to the Duet and provides a
cleaner signal to a connected DAC.
Now I'm even more confused. What do you mean by 'cleaner signal'?
Cleaner than what?
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the spdif receiver
circuit/chip in the DAC has to work to accurately recover the clock (the
music data is not a problem).
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
That being the case, would switching to the optical out be a cleaner
solution?
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the SBT
screen turned off, I was left with no other choice and was forced to
grab my iPad in order to select what to play next. Terrible, terrible
experience, I blame Soundcheck for tricking me into this.
Is that what kids nowadays call 'the first world problem meme'?
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finished writing this post. :)
No point replying to this post then.
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more efficient, and in that way spare the poor
over-excitable souls from having to read my material!
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I'm just sittin' here watchin' the wheels go round and round
I really love to watch them roll
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You can quote Lenin as much as you like, but there's no free ride. This
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behind
the speaker, all the way in the corner?
So you see, very little science goes into this twiddling, it's mostly
craft and my ability to carefully listen that determines how is my hi
fi going to be set up. No big mystery here.
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thanks for the (magicarpet)ride.
Empty promises. Here's $100 that you'll not leave this thread!
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not violating any regulations, I'm not swindling anyone out
of their money. Just enjoying my hobby.
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? How much does it cost? Why are state of the
art audio dealerships not using it, instead of creating these
horrendous, crappy sounding demo rooms?
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you
mean tried them full tilt? No wi fi, no screen, vollock at 100%, no
analog outs, tt -b at 3200, tt -k?
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Phil Leigh;697890 Wrote:
This is correct. There was definitely a difference on the analogue outs.
Were you able to hear those differences, or merely measure them?
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Atta boy. Please ignore me, I don't think it's too much to ask.
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they happen to have different taste is
uncivilized.
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darrell;697613 Wrote:
Sorry, but I have to disagree. It has been said before that while music
is art, music recording and playback is science.
That's your opinion. In reality, I'd say that many people seem to agree
that music recording and playback is craft.
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for the love of god, why'd they let him back on?
all we need now is MCR
You wish!
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Phil Leigh;689477 Wrote:
Yes
You are still comparing apples with apples. Try it.
That's gonna save me oodles of time and will also spare my poor back:)
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setup
Interesting how he anticipates Maggies will pressurize his room better
than the high end box speakers he has. The debate elsewhere seems to be
revolving around the opinion that Maggies, being dipole, are incapable
of pressurizing rooms.
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Tempting as it is to be outraged by MCR, it's worth remembering that his
attempt to insult a respected forum member is probably just more of the
attention-seeking behaviour that Soulkeeper pointed out.
You guys are so easily outraged.
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