El Duderino wrote:
Oh, and Robin, its El Duderino ;)
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cliveb;410715 Wrote:
I think you may have misunderstood the end goal of ABX testing in audio.
The endpoint is NOT does A sound better than B. It's much simpler:
does A sound DIFFERENT than B. No preference judgements are called
for: simply the detection (or otherwise) of an audible
El Duderino;410682 Wrote:
Without this level of objectivity in endpoints, it is hard to design a
relevant double-blind, randomized controlled trial. In testing audio,
the endpoint is as subjective as it gets ie Does A sound better than
B. Therefore, the design of any double-blind study is
El Duderino;410682 Wrote:
The problem here is that many individuals seem to think that you can
take the scientific concept of a double-blind randomized controlled
trial and apply it to areas which one could argue are distinctly
non-scientific. This is a fallacy.
What is a fallacy is
darrenyeats wrote:
When you say long term listening reveals differences do you mean EXACTLY
that?
I've said several times on this forum that I believe that some
differences are not immediately audible in short listening tests.
Rather, they reveal themselves over longer-term listening by way
Robin Bowes;410600 Wrote:
darrenyeats wrote:[color=blue]
I've said several times on this forum that I believe that some
differences are not immediately audible in short listening tests.
Rather, they reveal themselves over longer-term listening by way of,
e.g. listening fatigue - one
What is a superdac?
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I wonder why the lower models in the DS range DO have a digital out?
I wouldn't buy any of the DS'. £10k for a DAC I can't use with any
other digital sources, (such as my dvd, sky box, pc soundcard, legacy
cd player)seems a lot to pay. If they'd made it a DAC with plenty of
inputs, including a
darrenyeats;409922 Wrote:
What is a superdac?
Darren
just my little joke :)
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cdmackay;409325 Wrote:
Given these caveats, I can't really state anything more than a
personal
preference. The problem would come if I tried to make an absolute
judgment about it.
that's my problem with some of these discussions: we see quite a lot of
these absolute statements.
better make sure the tea-cups are matched for level then.
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someone wrote:
These blanket assertions of superiority of one source over another
w/o some rigorous testing are quite invalid and boring.
Robin Bowes wrote:
I agree.
Mainly because the language used is inevitably some thing like X blows
Y away, or similar. For example, in this case:
Hello,
The user interface from Linn is a different story, but I have
seen some promising things from some of the third party developers
Could somebody give me more info on that? I am just now deciding if a
customer gets an akurate DS from Linn or a transporter from logitech.
Usability is
Robin Bowes;409580 Wrote:
someone wrote:
These blanket assertions of superiority of one source over another
w/o some rigorous testing are quite invalid and boring.
Robin Bowes wrote:
I agree.
Mainly because the language used is inevitably some thing like X
blows
Y away, or
jaysung;409586 Wrote:
Hello,
Could somebody give me more info on that? I am just now deciding if a
customer gets an akurate DS from Linn or a transporter from logitech.
Usability is one of the biggest concerns.
The idea is that he has the UI on his lcd Sony 40 inch screen.
Linngui runs
WhatsNext;409624 Wrote:
You are looking at two different levels of product both from usability
and sound. Logitech does a much better job of usability with SC7 and
the Squeezebox Controller. You have cover art, easier playlist, and
more intuitive controls. You also have a lot more
jaysung;409586 Wrote:
Hello,
Could somebody give me more info on that? I am just now deciding if a
customer gets an akurate DS from Linn or a transporter from logitech.
Usability is one of the biggest concerns.
The idea is that he has the UI on his lcd Sony 40 inch screen.
Linngui runs
WhatsNext;409068 Wrote:
I had a Linn Karik-Numerik a couple of years ago. I had friends bring
over their CD players and I would leave the room during the comparison.
Every time everyone in the room thought that the Karik-Numerik had a
much more musical sound. Most of these guys were very
darrenyeats;409116 Wrote:
Just as in blind tests there are all sorts of factors which might mask
differences, in these anecdotes of sighted tests there are all sorts of
factors which might cause differences other than audible differences
between the components. IMO it's unfair to criticise
darren, if the only way to make valid judgements about a musical
experience is with a double-blind test, how can you make a judgement
about a live concert?
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JezA wrote:
darren, if the only way to make valid judgements about a musical
experience is with a double-blind test, how can you make a judgement
about a live concert?
we're not talking about judgements of a single event - I believe - we're
talking about comparing two events.
you could, of
This is an unwinnable debate and I recognise it as such. :)
In the end if you like something and can afford it then go with it. For
example, I'm really getting into Darjeeling tea at the moment, but this
may be more about liking the IDEA of single estate tea (loose leaf of
course!) than the
that's a great analogy, Darren :)
I suppose I could do a blind test versus my usual supermarket Yorkshire
tea but I haven't got round to it, I'm just enjoying my tea. :)
Given these caveats, I can't really state anything more than a personal
preference. The problem would come if I tried to
If you are capable of making an absolute judgment, then you are capable
of making a comparative one. I like this tea is a judgement. I like
this tea a lot is another. I won't disagree with your opinion because
no-one has done a double-blind trial of teas. Nor will I try and argue
there's no
JezA wrote:
cups of tea. If I'm interested, I'll try the teas myself, and draw my
own conclusions. What else can you do?
exactly; but where that final test might result in spending a lot of
money, I'd like to know that I'm not fooling *myself* into thinking that
it really does sound better
Robin Bowes;293975 Wrote:
tomjtx wrote:
bigfool1956;293926 Wrote:
Well not my review, but I was interested in the comments.
The conclusions are flawed if the comparison was not done with level
matched sources. and not just level matched by ear
There is no escaping that.
DBT is
dcote;231480 Wrote:
a word of advice to slimdevices/logitech: this is the kind of faux-pas
that good marketing could avoid.
One of the worst things that has hapened to Slimmdevices is that the
were bought by the Swiss company Logitech. Now, isn't that that company
that makes nice mice
I attended my local Linn dealer's wine and cheese party demonstration of
the Klimax DS last night (Gifted Listener Audio in Centreville, VA).
Ivor Tiefenbrun himself mingled with the crowd of 30 or so (I was one
of 4 women, all of the rest of whom were spouses of the real
audiophiles :)) and then
sc53;300098 Wrote:
to jokes about the Irish (What is a wheelbarrow? A device the English
invented to teach the Irish to walk--still don't really get this one)
delightful chap altogether
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Sarah - great review of the evening. You got wine AND cheese... I'm
going to complain to my dealer (well, I got a cup of coffee and a
chocolate biscuit).
Interesting that you only got to hear little snippets - a complete
contrast with the demo I attended, but I suppose a mass event is
going to
Phil Leigh;300126 Wrote:
They really REALLY need to sort out their GUI and server-side software.
If only they could licence a version of SC for an ENORMOUS sum of money
of course... :o)
This was one point I made to the chaps in PJ Hifi in Guildford on
Tuesday, no matter how good the
Nice writeup. Thanks
sc53 wrote:
and high resolution downloads. After all, I am someone who is
well-pleased with her Squeezebox playing Apple Lossless tracks through
a Benchmark DAC!
That's a fairly high base standard. I used a SqueezeBox into a DAC-1 for
years, and loved it. When I got my
MuckleEck;300134 Wrote:
This was one point I made to the chaps in PJ Hifi in Guildford on
Tuesday, no matter how good the Klimax/Sneaky DS are that GUI and the
media server they use is direI also suggested licensing the SC from
Logitech but was told that that was beneath Linn!
Hmmm well
sc53;300098 Wrote:
Ivor likes to play just little snippets of music, maybe a couple of
bars, and have you actively listen.
FAIL! Sounds just daft to me.
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browellm;300152 Wrote:
FAIL! Sounds just daft to me.
Yeah well, if it wasn't for the the fact that they have made - and
still make - some amazing gear and some of the best-ever recordings
:o)
Ivor is a controversial figure. The older he gets the weirder he
gets...
I ain't about to defend
Yes, the snippets idea is odd, but apparently an Ivor mandate, since
last year when I went to the same dealer's demo of the Linn Keel, the
demo was done the same way. However, the snippets of LP tracks were
longer--say 30 seconds. The DS snippets were like 6 seconds! Yes, Linn
has an arrogant
Phil Leigh;300126 Wrote:
If only they could licence a version of SC for an ENORMOUS sum of money
of course... :o)
Well that enormous amount of money would be precisely $0. They can
just download the source :) The real work would be making their players
speak slimproto, but even that's
Phil,
How was the home listening tests of the Klimax?...or have I missed your
post?
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Phil Leigh;299812 Wrote:
Hasn't happened yet... It's down to me to arrange a convenient time and
I'm rather busy at work at the moment. Rest assured, you'll all be the
first to know!
What! is the bank overloading you with work ==:-O
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haraldo;299819 Wrote:
What! is the bank overloading you with work ==:-O
Yes... I don't expect sympathy, but things are really wild at the
moment! - We're going through a massive integration exercise.
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't
Phil Leigh;299849 Wrote:
Yes... I don't expect sympathy, but things are really wild at the
moment! - We're going through a massive integration exercise.
Well, you're certainly not alone... Had lots of overtime and I'm
working on an integration team... Lots of headaches, but we'll get
there
Oh - and the GUI is hopeless
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What follows is entirely hearsay, subjective opinions and comment. This
is
purely for your information and entertainment. There is NOTHING
scientific or authoritative in what follows...
Yesterday I attended a Linn demo of the Akurate DS and Klimax DS.
I had 60 minutes in the room alone (apart
When you get it at home will you do a blind comparison? For that kind
of money, taking ten minutes to make sure the difference is really as
big as you think seems well-worth it...
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opaqueice;295990 Wrote:
When you get it at home will you do a blind comparison? For that kind
of money, taking ten minutes to make sure the difference is really as
big as you think seems well-worth it...
you should do double-quadruple blind testing and go to a shrink (for
mind clearance)
opaqueice;295990 Wrote:
When you get it at home will you do a blind comparison? For that kind
of money, taking ten minutes to make sure the difference is really as
big as you think seems well-worth it...
Yep! I certainly will be doing that.
Phil
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You want to see the signal
opaqueice wrote:
When you get it at home will you do a blind comparison? For that kind
of money, taking ten minutes to make sure the difference is really as
big as you think seems well-worth it...
Assuming the SB+DAC / Klimax DS / Transporter are all fairly similar in
performance, i.e. the
Robin Bowes;296009 Wrote:
Assuming the SB+DAC / Klimax DS / Transporter are all fairly similar in
performance, i.e. the differences are minimal, then a 10-minute test
would be largely pointless.
Extended listening is the only relevant way to evaluate these things.
I agree it's
Robin Bowes;296009 Wrote:
opaqueice wrote:
When you get it at home will you do a blind comparison? For that
kind
of money, taking ten minutes to make sure the difference is really
as
big as you think seems well-worth it...
Assuming the SB+DAC / Klimax DS / Transporter are all fairly
Robin Bowes;296032 Wrote:
I would *always* do extended listening, even if I didn't think I liked
the sound initially.
That must get inconvenient...
I recently picked up a Behringer DEQ2496 and plugged it into the
effects loop of my Transporter using fw40 to do room correction.
opaqueice wrote:
Robin Bowes;296032 Wrote:
I would *always* do extended listening, even if I didn't think I liked
the sound initially.
That must get inconvenient...
Nah, I don't change systems very often.
I recently picked up a Behringer DEQ2496 and plugged it into the
effects loop of
opaqueice;296070 Wrote:
It might be interesting to start a thread on RC, since many people here
seem to use it.
New thread started:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46903.
Darren
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Just got back from the Linn Akurate DS and Klimax DS demo...will post my
thoughts later...very interesting.
If anyone can get hold of the Lone Star CD Lone Star/Firing on all
Six (BGOCD183) you can try track 8. The guys in the shop and the Linn
guy agreed this is a vicious test track. (you might
Phil Leigh;294012 Wrote:
I hope to be hearing the DS later this month - so I will refrain from
commenting on it until then, except to say that I doubt it will blow
away the SB into a good dac, never mind a transporter.
In 30 years I've only heard two blow away moments...(I guess I must
get
Phil Leigh;295533 Wrote:
Hmmm...not sure what you mean, Haraldo.
:o)
I will hear what the DS is like at 10am tomorrow...
Well I'm not sure what I mean too
Just thought it was a very well formulated post
Awaiting your post at 10:01am
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My local audio shop is hosting Ivor T. himself next week for a
demonstration of the Klimax DS and the less expensive Akurate DS. I'll
be hearing them both that evening, but I wish I could bring my SB3 and
laptop to do a quick comparison!! That would scandalize everyone there,
I'm sure.
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sc53;295568 Wrote:
My local audio shop is hosting Ivan Tiefenbrun himself next week for a
demonstration of the Klimax DS and the less expensive Akurate DS. I'll
be hearing them both that evening, but I wish I could bring my SB3 and
laptop to do a quick comparison!! That would scandalize
haraldo wrote:
The bad thing about such events is that you get to
superdupermegaoptimized room, everything is perfect and electronics
costing a fortune
Ooops and then the room
Speaker placement, and then room accoustics are the best bang for the
buck audiophile improvement.
If you
tomjtx;293772 Wrote:
In your comparo did you level match with an SPL meter and do it blind?
If not, the comparo and your conclusions are w/o merit.
A db diff will be mistakenly perceived as a qualitative diff.
A sighted comparo is invalid due to expectation bias.
They may be without
Right you are Bigfool--I always appreciate subjective opinions and
understand that MMMV. Surprised you got such a hostile reaction to your
review! I have read elsewhere (including Stereophile) that the software
interface is very rudimentary and needs improvement
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sc53;293923 Wrote:
Right you are Bigfool--I always appreciate subjective opinions and
understand that MMMV. Surprised you got such a hostile reaction to your
review! I have read elsewhere (including Stereophile) that the software
interface is very rudimentary and needs improvement
Well not
bigfool1956;293926 Wrote:
Well not my review, but I was interested in the comments.
The conclusions are flawed if the comparison was not done with level
matched sources. and not just level matched by ear
There is no escaping that.
DBT is somewhat of another matter.
However one can't rule out
tomjtx wrote:
bigfool1956;293926 Wrote:
Well not my review, but I was interested in the comments.
The conclusions are flawed if the comparison was not done with level
matched sources. and not just level matched by ear
There is no escaping that.
DBT is somewhat of another matter.
However
The one thing I rarely see is an explanation as to what each items does,
how it sounds, and musical references to those examples. That would be
the most interesting.
In addition I would like to know what was done to accomodate each item,
in terms of partnering equipment (including stands and
I hope to be hearing the DS later this month - so I will refrain from
commenting on it until then, except to say that I doubt it will blow
away the SB into a good dac, never mind a transporter.
In 30 years I've only heard two blow away moments...(I guess I must
get out more)
1) Linn Aktiv Bariks
Back now :)
yep, had a reallly good listen to it. Audio quality is stunning, but
I'm a bit disappointed by the user interface and lack of control
options. No ability to save playlists or shuffle/random.
I had the unit also magically switch itself on quite a few times and
start playing, very
In your comparo did you level match with an SPL meter and do it blind?
If not, the comparo and your conclusions are w/o merit.
A db diff will be mistakenly perceived as a qualitative diff.
A sighted comparo is invalid due to expectation bias.
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Are you feeling better?
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Kris,
Any updates to share?
Thanks,
Bill
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There are some indications that the new Squeezebox Duet is sounding
better or equal with the Linn Ikemi, when you are using the analog
output and compare side by side.
This can be read on the Swedish site, Faktiskt.se, where me and a
friend has done some comparisons in an all Linn rig. The sound
Paradigm;290254 Wrote:
The Linn cinema preamp was realy state of the art at 1997. No cd-player
we have tested before, has been sounding better than the internal DAcs
used in 5103, with the exeption of the Linn Ikemi, in my friends Linn
rigg ( Majik 140, 5125, 5103 ).
It is very
harmonic;290234 Wrote:
To be fair the ikemi is a discountinued product (since 2002 i beleive
) a more fair comparioson would be one of the unidisk players.
The preamp with the dac you used is from 1997 no wonder the 2008
duet`s analog out sounds better.
Why the duet sounds so
To be fair the ikemi is a discountinued product (since 2002 i beleive
) a more fair comparioson would be one of the unidisk players.
The preamp with the dac you used is from 1997 no wonder the 2008
duet`s analog out sounds better.
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haraldo;290250 Wrote:
Seriously.. Since when did OLD mean poor performing =:-O
Not in all aspekts of life or hifi is old worse and new bettert ; )
havever In the digital source domain i would say newer is better
; ) a bit like computers no point on argiuing what is better a
harmonic;290234 Wrote:
T
The preamp with the dac you used is from 1997 no wonder the 2008
duet`s analog out sounds better.
Seriously.. Since when did OLD mean poor performing =:-O
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haraldo;290250 Wrote:
Seriously.. Since when did OLD mean poor performing =:-O
The Linn cinema preamp was realy state of the art at 1997. No cd-player
we have tested before, has been sounding better than the internal DAcs
used in 5103, with the exeption of the Linn Ikemi, in my friends
haraldo;290257 Wrote:
That probably means the Linn CD12 is very bad, because it's old
I think you are misunderstandig somthing on purpose.
I never said that the very best past source would be bettered then
eny cheap source as long as its newer.
If you build a new sondek cd 12 every 2 years
Linn Akurate DS is in with some new Kimber Kable Select KS-3033. Still
need to setup the room/speakers properly as they aren't sounding too
crash hot yet :(
Here are some photos:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Linn/linn1.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Linn/linn2.jpg
harmonic;290265 Wrote:
I think you are misunderstandig somthing on purpose.
Yes I am..
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Everything is difficult before it's easy
Kris;290270 Wrote:
Linn Akurate DS is in with some new Kimber Kable Select KS-3033. Still
need to setup the room/speakers properly as they aren't sounding too
crash hot yet :(
Here are some photos:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Linn/linn1.jpg
Paradigm;290251 Wrote:
What is very interesting, is that we encountered that the Squeezebox
receiver sounded better than the internal dacs that are used in the
Linn 5103.
You brave soul, and on an audiophile forum!
Paradigm;290251 Wrote:
Maybe this is an indikation on that Squeezebox
It would surely be very interesting to compare the both units, side by
side.
Maybe they sound identical, but apparently the Duet receiver uses a
different dac, with a different linedriver ( buffer ). Both the dac and
buffer are Wolfson, integrated in one chip. This should sound different
than the
Kris;288408 Wrote:
No DAC with a SPDIF interface like your Transporter will touch the DS :)
When the Transporter is used as intended - a network player utilising
its own DAC - SPDIF doesn't come into the equation.
When you were doing your comparison against the DS, were you using the
TP as a
Kris;288408 Wrote:
Everyone owes it to themself to read this:
http://www.linn.co.uk/files/eaccc978/Linn%20Klimax.pdf
No DAC with a SPDIF interface like your Transporter will touch the DS
:)
As clive pointed out you should get your facts straight.
You are a rather untalented troll.
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Kris;288408 Wrote:
Everyone owes it to themself to read this:
http://www.linn.co.uk/files/eaccc978/Linn%20Klimax.pdf
No DAC with a SPDIF interface like your Transporter will touch the DS
:)
What does that prove? it's a subjective review
Regards
Harald N
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Yes it's rude to rubbish a component on the manufacturer's forum.
When you do so without understanding the basic facts your comments
don't appear credible.
Darren
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Kris;287620 Wrote:
The transporter has nothing on the DS. Fact.
Kris;287914 Wrote:
w00ptee do! How about you all LISTEN to it first :)
Kris, my old cheap JVC micro system blows away a Linn system. Fact.
If you care to question that...how about you LISTEN to it first?
Your posts appear to
tomjtx;288533 Wrote:
As clive pointed out you should get your facts straight.
You are a rather untalented troll.
Well so to are you Sir :)
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So its really just an ethernet DAC with analog and balanced
outputs...How does this relate to the transporter or SB3 as the latter
2 have their major advantages as a wireless device with an excellent
interface and the convenience associated with this.I really don't see
the huge technological
Kris;288544 Wrote:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/amp.jpg
Try moving those speakers out a little - you've got them crammed into
the corners of the room. You'll find that makes much, much, much more
difference than replacing the Transporter with the Linn.
Not only that, it costs
opaqueice;288554 Wrote:
Try moving those speakers out a little - you've got them crammed into
the corners of the room. You'll find that makes much, much, much more
difference than replacing the Transporter with the Linn.
Not only that, it costs infinitely less.
X2, speaker placement
The Linn products are basically the same as the SB3 Transporter - they
are systems for converting data, e.g. FLAC files, to music - not just
DACs. The Linns do not have wifi - I understand this is because Linn
don't want to get involved with configuring wifi for customers and
sorting out those
opaqueice;288554 Wrote:
Try moving those speakers out a little - you've got them crammed into
the corners of the room. You'll find that makes much, much, much more
difference than replacing the Transporter with the Linn.
Not only that, it costs infinitely less.
Where to can you
Try listen nearfield , you and the speakers in an equilateral 6 ft
triangle , peraps elongate it to your side 7-8ft, make sure you and
speakers arent near walls or corners. Try the speakers dead ahead and
then try toe them in. Looks like right speaker is in a corner and the
other in not so sharp
Kris;288729 Wrote:
Where to can you suggest? perhaps mark some RED X's on the photograph
Its difficult to move them though , simply because of the room
size/shape
I am working on obtain a SPL meter/mic and some software to analyse the
room and see where I can make some improvements. Any
adamslim;288749 Wrote:
I would get a narrower system stand and allow the speakers to be closer
together. You normally don't want a speaker in the corner like that
left one. I would expect a new system stand to be a lot cheaper than
most of your upgrades :)
Edit: you could put the power
Rodney_Gold;288737 Wrote:
Try listen nearfield , you and the speakers in an equilateral 6 ft
triangle , peraps elongate it to your side 7-8ft, make sure you and
speakers arent near walls or corners. Try the speakers dead ahead and
then try toe them in. Looks like right speaker is in a corner
Kris;288796 Wrote:
Right speaker has a old angled fireplace area, so yeah its not really a
corner. Left speaker is a dud - cant really move it (a tad forward and
a tad in (like 2) but thats about it.
The whole place is really awful for audio :(
You really don't want speakers so close to
opaqueice;288803 Wrote:
You really don't want speakers so close to either the front or side wall
if you can possibly avoid it. If you move them out at least three feet
from both walls and sit facing them (in a rough equilateral triangle
arrangement) with at least three feet behind your head
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