Sorry for drudging up an old thread, but I was wondering if anyone knows
what the Vrms for the DAC 60 is?
I am sketching out the gain structure of my system and wanted to know.
I haven't measured mine yet and wondered if anyone else has.
I have to finish up some other larger DIY projects,
Crooner thanks for all the post on your progress with the lite dac 60.
I am thinking of getting one. As I am new to this sorry if my question
sounds dumb. Do you think I can use a cheap toshiba DVD player like the
toshiba sd6100 to use purely for the output into my Dac 60 or do I need
a better
Krobelus;280714 Wrote:
Crooner thanks for all the post on your progress with the lite dac 60.
I am thinking of getting one. As I am new to this sorry if my question
sounds dumb. Do you think I can use a cheap toshiba DVD player like the
toshiba sd6100 to use purely for the output into my
Thanks much on your reply. I will try out the configuration you
suggested! Also, if I am going to upgrade the Tubes on the Dac 60s what
is the best one to get if money is no object and also what is your
favorite in terms of cost/benefit ratios? Thanks again Crooner.
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Krobelus
Krobelus;280922 Wrote:
Thanks much on your reply. I will try out the configuration you
suggested! Also, if I am going to upgrade the Tubes on the Dac 60s what
is the best one to get if money is no object and also what is your
favorite in terms of cost/benefit ratios? Thanks again Crooner.
crooner;182708 Wrote:
Now...
Looking at the innards of my DAC-60 while upgrading the tubes, I really
don't know why people are modding the heck out of them. It comes with
top quality parts already!
All the stock electrolytics are audio/audiophile quality. There are
tons of Elna Silmic's
audioengr;263081 Wrote:
There are much better caps available. These are only the widely-used
caps, not the best.
Steve N.
The best electrolytic is the fabled Rubycon BlackGate (I use the NX
version in my modded EAD DSP-7000 III), now unfortunately discontinued.
The ELNA Cerafine (also
In my experience the black gates though good never gave there best
...they always seemed to be running in ie if you switch the unit off
for any period, on start up it would take some time days to get the
sound back.
I've found nothing better than paper in oils for this position ..yes
there big
zanash;263247 Wrote:
In my experience the black gates though good never gave there best
...they always seemed to be running in ie if you switch the unit off
for any period, on start up it would take some time days to get the
sound back.
I've found nothing better than paper in oils for
A late coming guy from HK.
I have play around with DAC68 for quite a while. Sound quality is very
good. I made certain mod but a minimum that gives big improvement
should at least change output cap and linestage tube.
Don't believe any ad., DAC68 is a 24/96 upsampling dac but 24/192. The
Tum;253850 Wrote:
If you need two output and remote, Citypulse DA7.2xII may be suit for
you.
It has one unbalance output, one balance output and one fixed unbalance
output. Moreover, it has one input (you can bypass pre-amp.). Anyway,
it use Class A transistor output stage - not tube. I
Thanks,
I need two outputs simultaneous, one for subwoofer and one for
amplifier, balanced or not, also remote is important, the April Audio
Stello DP220 is the best compromise I found, but expensive...
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Lowrider
Linn Unidisk SC, Classic 16.0, Schallwand Sangreal, Tannoy ST50, BW
PV-1, ESE
If you need two output and remote, Citypulse DA7.2xII may be suit for
you.
It has one unbalance output, one balance output and one fixed unbalance
output. Moreover, it has one input (you can bypass pre-amp.). Anyway,
it use Class A transistor output stage - not tube. I almost buy this
model,
I was also interested in DAC-68 before I bought DAC-60. As its
specification available in English, I think that it has digital volume
control (remote is not mentioned). It also uses different D/A chip
(AD1853). Moreover, it has Balance I/P and O/P. I try to discuss with
some one in HK who
Thanks,
What about the DAC 68, I know it has volume control and decodes DVDs,
but unfortunately I dont see a remote...
Any alternative with remote volume ?
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I am interested in this DAC, I read a review and they say it has volume
controled by remote, is his true ?
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Lowrider;251626 Wrote:
I am interested in this DAC, I read a review and they say it has volume
controled by remote, is his true ?
Also, does it decode DVDs, at least DD ?
Thanks,
Not the DAC60 that I owned. Perhaps its a new revision? I know it is
built using the same chassis as the
Tum;244684 Wrote:
I've got Lite DAC-60 from HK ..www.diykits.co.hk . The quality of it is
much better than $370. I've just changed output capacitors to M-Cap
supreme, then it sound is more details and wider sound stage. Now,
I've got NOS Telefunken PCC88 to be replaced Sovek 6922. For the
I've got Lite DAC-60 from HK ..www.diykits.co.hk . The quality of it is
much better than $370. I've just changed output capacitors to M-Cap
supreme, then it sound is more details and wider sound stage. Now,
I've got NOS Telefunken PCC88 to be replaced Sovek 6922. For the first
listening, it
Sorry to make this revive, but I have a problem. My lite dac broke up
and I need to find a PCM1704 replacement. I do not have the dac with me
now. Anyone can tell me how many PCM1704 are actually inside the
machine?
Any idea of where to find them. They seem to have all run out of
stock!
g
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crooner;183163 Wrote:
The ear test on the DAC60?
Well, I've had mine for a year so I think I'm qualified to comment.
The improvement in sound quality is very noticeable with the Lite DAC.
It basically turns the SB3 into a Transporter for a fraction of the
price :-).
Actually, I've never
I'm also interested, and would appreciate feedback once someone has done
the listening test ... does it in fact provide a noticeable improvement
over using the SB's DAC stage.
I live in Europe. Is there a 220v version?
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MarkS
The ear test on the DAC60?
Well, I've had mine for a year so I think I'm qualified to comment.
The improvement in sound quality is very noticeable with the Lite DAC.
It basically turns the SB3 into a Transporter for a fraction of the
price!
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crooner
SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply
Lite
Now...
Looking at the innards of my DAC-60 while upgrading the tubes, I really
don't know why people are modding the heck out of them. It comes with
top quality parts already!
All the stock electrolytics are audio/audiophile quality. There are
tons of Elna Silmic's (considered by many to be
Wonder how this version compares with the mods by Pacific Valve and
GR-Research?
http://eshop.diyclub.biz/product_info.php?cPath=23_162products_id=335
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Got my Siemens CCa pair today. Man, these are sweet! Playing James
Taylor's Hourglass right now and it's like listening to it for the very
first time. Sounds incredibly real. I'm happy!
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Looks interesting!
Too bad they are not showing pics of the internals.
I'm having great results by minimally modding mine (Sonicap coupling
caps) and adding the Siemens CCa's. But $505 doesn't sound bad at all.
Of course, shipping is not going to be cheap!
mmg_fan;182651 Wrote:
Wonder how
mmg_fan;181840 Wrote:
Hi
has anyone tried the pacific Valve mods for the Lite DAC?
Just wondering if its worth the extra $$
http://www.pacificvalve.us/LTDAC60M.html
I just received my DAC 60 with the Pacific Valve mods (the midline
version, not the DAC 62) yesterday. So far it sounds
I've used some JJ's (former Teslas) on mine and didn't like the sound. A
little congested. Perhaps they needed further break-in.
The Amperex JAN 7308s were great but one of them was noisy so I
returned them to Kevin Deal.
I'm getting a pair of very expensive Siemens CCa's instead. Can't wait
to
Has anyone here tested the Lite DAC38?
I'm looking for a solid state alternative to connect directly to my
solid state direct coupled amp.
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P Floding
No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if
you ask me.)
Hi Crooner,
Thanks for your inputs. AS I am not familiar with electroncs, I'll
probably have someone doing the job for me. In terms of which
particular condenser to buy, do you have any suggestion on which specs
I should be looking for? In Europe, for example, I could quite easily
buy the
Hi Giovanni,
Mundorf should be an excellent choice. Replace with a 3.3 uF Muldorf
and a small bypass of 1 uF or less.
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crooner
SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply
Lite Audio DAC-60 Tube DAC
VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2
Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110
Vandersteen 2Ce signatures,
Anyone has any suggestion on which valves to buy to substitute the
originals?
I am reasonably happy with the DAC-60, but it simply cannot compare to
the internal analogue-digital converter of my beautifl Jolida jd100s
(CD Player) with two Sovtek 12AX7LPS mounted in.
My last test was to connect
Try the Amperex 7308s PQ, JAN or USN. Mid 60s vintage if possible.
Even the cheaper 6DJ8 Bugle Boy made in Holland, gives you much better
sound than the stock Electroharmonix.
Also, upgrade the coupling caps to something better. I'm using Sonicaps
from Sonic Craft but I've heard success
It is generally recognized Delta Sigma DACs have improved considerably
in the past few years. However, there's still consensus that
traditional parallel or ladder DACs sound better than Delta Sigmas.
The Delta Sigma DACs are much cheaper to produce and that's pretty much
why the traditional
Hi, I just bought these Amperex ECC88/6DJ8 matched pair on e-bay. Will
they improve the sound? And what is the purpose exactely of the audio
capacitors? Where should I mount them?
Thanks for your invaluable help!
g
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Looks like they are A Frame 6DJ8s. Should work nicely in the DAC60.
The cap mod is simply replacing the big blue rectangle coupling caps
with something better. The stock blue caps are right in front of the
tubes. Hard to miss.
Here's a shot of my unit with the Sonicaps installed. I used 3.3 uF
btw. the speakers we were using for the comparison are these Selah line
arrays: http://www.selahaudio.com/id52.html . Quite an impressive
speaker! WAF might be fairly low though...
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One reason the DAC60 sounds so good is the use of the Burr Brown
PCM1704U-K parallel P2P DAC.
This state-of-the-art device was originally developed for super high
end applications. Among the most famous units using the chip were the
Mark Levinson 30.6 and the $20,000 Linn CD12 CD player.
Note
opaqueice;179562 Wrote:
but it's been proven to be the case with megabuck CD transports versus
very cheap ones, so it wouldn't surprise me at all. Maybe someday I'll
buy a TP and try it myself.
Proven is a very strong statement? Can you show me the proof? I
haven't met anyone in my life
95bcwh;179616 Wrote:
Proven is a very strong statement, where's the proof by the way? I
haven't met anyone in my life that cannot tell a difference between a
$200 Sony DVD player against a $3000 Cary 303/300.
Really?
This of course hasn't been tried with every transport, but I've seen
opaqueice;179645 Wrote:
Really?
This of course hasn't been tried with every transport, but I've seen
reports on several (maybe 5) such comparisons. In not a single one
could people tell the difference; that is, I've *never* seen a blind
test in which the participants could distinguish
P Floding;179651 Wrote:
Have you tried a few different transports into a DAC? Say, a DAC of the
traditional kind that doesn't reject jitter very well.
A little - once I tried comparing three different transports into one
DAC (which was an NOS DAC without any special jitter rejection), and
I'll probably try a TP when people with upgradeditis start to dump
them off at Audiogon!
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crooner
SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply
Lite Audio DAC-60 Tube DAC
VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2
Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110
Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer.
95bcwh;179378 Wrote:
It doesn't means that SB3 + DAC60 will be equal to TP Analog out.I'd like
to find out how big the differences are though, if it's worth
the extra money...
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95bcwh;179378 Wrote:
Therefore, you'd still be better off buying a TP, provided that its
presentation is exactly what you've been looking for. Don't expect any
short-cut or money-saving alternatives in the attempt to match or beat
the TP, Slim Devices is NOT a snake-oil company, the
jmourik;179418 Wrote:
I'd like to find out how big the differences are though, if it's worth
the extra money...
Probably not much of a difference, specially when using premium tubes
and/or modding on the DAC60.
The weak point of the stock SB3, aside from the switcher AC adapter, is
the
opaqueice;179419 Wrote:
Jan didn't hear a difference between a tube analogue output stage and
the TPs I'd be inclined to think he wouldn't hear one between the SB
and the TP.
I definitely hear a difference between the stock SB3 and the TP.
Got another chance to listen today, and the Bolder
If you're trying to justify to yourself NOT spending any extra money for
the TP, then good luck to you in finding those people who cannot hear
difference between the TP and the SB:)
But not from me - who'd spent significant amount of time from stock SB
to stock TP to all kinds of mods; and not
95bcwh;179536 Wrote:
Not that any of these opinions are useful. In fact, I keep reminding
people that, opinons are fun to read, and that's where it stops.
There's no such thing as reliable listening test except your own
ears. If you're going to base any purchase decision based on reading
Yesterday I had the chance to compare the Lite Dac-60, slightly modded
by the owner, to a modded Transporter (no idea what the mods are). To
my surprise I couldn't hear a difference between them! We were
switching back and forth, the dac fed by the digital out of the
Transporter, and it sounded
jmourik;179108 Wrote:
Yesterday I had the chance to compare the Lite Dac-60, slightly modded
by the owner, to a modded Transporter (no idea what the mods are). To
my surprise I couldn't hear a difference between them! We were
switching back and forth, the dac fed by the digital out of the
Skunk;179112 Wrote:
I.e. you can't use the Transporter to show how something is it's equal
:-)
Should be a fair comparison of the DAC part, or not?
We did listen to the sb3 + dac60, but no direct comparison. I thought
through the sb3 it sounded a bit more edgy, but then again, when we
first
jmourik;179116 Wrote:
Should be a fair comparison of the DAC part, or not?
In all honesty it should have been an advantage to the Transporter,
since it's DAC is internal, and the LiTe has to go through S-PDIF.
Someone here looking to get a LiTe probably has an Sb3 already though,
so it
tomjtx;179127 Wrote:
Do you have a chance to compare the modded TP to a stock TP?
No, unfortunately we didn't have a stock TP.
crooner;179129 Wrote:
Yesterday I got a couple of NOS Amperex JAN 7308 white label tubes (1966
vintage) and tried them on the DAC.
So where do you buy tubes? Are
opaqueice;179162 Wrote:
Just out of curiousity, have you ever compared two DACs with the same
source and heard a difference?
I have, but only when one was distorting due to an impedence mismatch.
When both DACs are reasonably well designed and functioning properly,
volume matched, and
I was actually asking Jan, since he has admitted he couldn't hear a
difference between two very very different DACs (the Lite DAC 60 has a
tubed output). That's consistent with listening tests, for example
those showing people can't distinguish between tube amps and solid
state or $10,000 CD
jmourik;179141 Wrote:
No, unfortunately we didn't have a stock TP.
So where do you buy tubes? Are they easy to replace?
jan
I've had bad/mixed luck with Ebay. Believe it or not, people will
actually try to take advantage of audiophiles.
The best luck I've had is at my local electronic
opaqueice;179234 Wrote:
I was actually asking Jan, since he has admitted he couldn't hear a
difference between two very very different DACs (the Lite DAC 60 has a
tubed output).
I did hear a difference between an Arcam CD23 FMJ and the Transporter,
if that counts :-) But only in direct A/B
By the way, the Bolder SB2, and Modified Transporter are from me. I
brought them to the meeting. And of course I have listened to all of
them in my system.
Jan is talking about transporter feeding the Lite-DAC60 having the same
sound as the transporter analog out. I have never listened to this
By the way, the Bolder SB2, and Modified Transporter are from me. I
brought them to the meeting. And of course I have listened to all of
them in my system.
Jan is talking about transporter feeding the Lite-DAC60 having the same
sound as the transporter analog out. I have never listened to this
opaqueice;179234 Wrote:
I was actually asking Jan, since he has admitted he couldn't hear a
difference between two very very different DACs (the Lite DAC 60 has a
tubed output). That's consistent with listening tests, for example
those showing people can't distinguish between tube amps and
95bcwh;179293 Wrote:
I have listened to the stock SB3 feeding the Lite-DAC60 compared with
the transporter analog out. In that instance, the transporter is of
course warmer, smoother, and goes deeper.
I wish we had compared this, I wanted to try it by hooking both up and
synchronizing them,
jmourik;179343 Wrote:
I wish we had compared this, I wanted to try it by hooking both up and
synchronizing them, but we didn't have enough time to do that. So now I
still have two questions:
- how much difference does the TP make vs SB3 as a transport only
- how much difference is there
95bcwh;179372 Wrote:
If you said TP digital out + DAC60 is equal to TP Analog out, then
the different is very significant..Which is exactly what I said, that's how
we did the A/B comparison. TP
analog out into pre input 1, TP digital into dac60 into pre input 2.
Easy to switch back and
jmourik;179374 Wrote:
Which is exactly what I said, that's how we did the A/B comparison. TP
analog out into pre input 1, TP digital into dac60 into pre input 2.
Easy to switch back and forth. Not easy to hear a difference, well,
impossible for me :-)
jan
Perhaps I didn't emphasize one
One of the most attractive features of the SB3 is the ability to use
external DACs due to the transparent coax output.
Since the SB3's design already includes a top notch Burr Brown DAC, an
old 1990's outdated DAC or a cheapie little box, I am guessing, is not
going to cut it. I want something
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