Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-22 Thread funkstar
opaqueice;237077 Wrote: > What utter nincompoops. Opequeice, that is pure genius! I tip my hat to you :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forum

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-22 Thread opaqueice
The best part of all is this (http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm): Pear Cables Wrote: > > > Finest Materials > > The ANJOU Speaker Cable utilizes the *finest materials* to maximize > sonic performance and provide years of stable operation. Teflon, air, > cotton, and fully anne

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-22 Thread CardinalFang
servies;237065 Wrote: > As expected... And although it is being regarded as Pear chickening out, I doubt it'll affect their sales. Their customers are unlikely to have value for money concerns in the first place. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/more-bull/pear-cables-withdraws-from-james-randis-1m-ch

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-22 Thread servies
As expected... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-22 Thread nicktf
Strangely, PEAR have withdrawn from having their cables tested. http://tinyurl.com/2jzuok -- nicktf nicktf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=329 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/sho

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-17 Thread pablolie
The thing is that good cables are worth the money. Changing the cheap off the rack RCA connectors, or upgrading the "free" loudspeaker cable does provide one with the ability to tighten overall performance. But I said good cables. I have listened to highly acclaimed $2,000 cables in my main syste

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-17 Thread gcogger
Rowe, Christopher;235377 Wrote: > >Jitterbug;235324 Wrote: > >> This should be interesting; Pear Cable has accepted the challenge. > >> > >> "...Michael Fremer, writer for Stereophile Magazine and > musicangle.com, > >> has agreed to double-blind listening tests to prove that cables can > be > >>

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-16 Thread jeffmeh
SumnerH;235432 Wrote: > You think? I find relativity to have more "magic" formulas than > quantum; the one "unaesthetic" thing about QM is accepting that the > physics is not deterministic, but that strikes me as being perhaps a > human bias rather than a real objection. Well, I certainly reali

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-16 Thread opaqueice
JimC;235421 Wrote: > > Are your public lectures going to be in California, by any chance? I'd > be of a mind to attend, if that's possible. > They will be in New York City. But there are public lectures now and then at Stanford - you might check the physics department website. darrenyeats;2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-16 Thread darrenyeats
opaqueice;235411 Wrote: > > Physics is weird and non-intuitive, and the only way to understand it > is to approach is carefully, systematically, and mathematically. It's > very difficult to communicate it to a lay audience without simplifying > it to the point of basically lying. Like anything

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-15 Thread SumnerH
jeffmeh;235415 Wrote: > Best of luck trying to explain quantum mechanics to a layperson, lol. I > qualify as such, although I have a higher math background and have done > a fair amount of reading on the subject. > > I realize that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" (Tower of > Power,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-15 Thread JimC
opaqueice;235411 Wrote: > I probably know him. > > I think the thing to remember here is what Darwin taught us. Our > ancestors had to have a very good intuition for human-scale classical > mechanics - like predicting the trajectory of a rock through the air. > If they didn't they died. And i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-15 Thread jeffmeh
Best of luck trying to explain quantum mechanics to a layperson, lol. I qualify as such, although I have a higher math background and have done a fair amount of reading on the subject. I realize that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" (Tower of Power, anyone), but QM appears to me to be a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-15 Thread opaqueice
JimC;234687 Wrote: > My cousin is a professor and research physicist at Stanford, working on > the SLA. I'm a pretty smart guy by most measures of intelligence and > can hold my own with him on a wide variety of topics. I once asked him > if he could explain QM to me. > I probably know him.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-15 Thread gcogger
Jitterbug;235324 Wrote: > This should be interesting; Pear Cable has accepted the challenge. > > "...Michael Fremer, writer for Stereophile Magazine and musicangle.com, > has agreed to double-blind listening tests to prove that cables can be > differentiated sonically..." > > http://gizmodo.co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-15 Thread Phil Leigh
cliveb;234825 Wrote: > I don't think that's correct. Firstly, you'd need to get the gain > staging absolutely right. Secondly, even if you do get the gain staging > spot-on, no DAC or ADC is perfect, so you ought to expect a change in > the least significant bits. > > But no matter > > If y

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-15 Thread Jitterbug
This should be interesting; Pear Cable has accepted the challenge. "...Michael Fremer, writer for Stereophile Magazine and musicangle.com, has agreed to double-blind listening tests to prove that cables can be differentiated sonically..." http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-bullshit/pear-cable-a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-13 Thread cliveb
Phil Leigh;234683 Wrote: > start with a CD track - so we know exactly what the bits are. put > through a good DAC and analogue interconnects to a suitable high > quality and calibrated ADC - record the bits. Compare the recorded bits > with the original bits. Any change must be induced by the cab

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-13 Thread tomjtx
opaqueice;234637 Wrote: > Haha, that's funny... I thought exactly the same thing when I read that > post! I had a little of that sinking feeling I get at cocktail parties > when someone finds out I'm a physicist and brings up QM - that > how-can-I-explain-politely-that-you-have-absolutely-no-id

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-12 Thread SumnerH
JimC;234687 Wrote: > My cousin is a professor and research physicist at Stanford, working on > the SLA. I'm a pretty smart guy by most measures of intelligence and > can hold my own with him on a wide variety of topics. I once asked him > if he could explain QM to me. > > As he is family, he d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-12 Thread musiklov3r
If I had to guess at what the difference is between a better performing cable and an inferior cable, for instance the Belden 1800f vs Monster cable or Whirlwind as the inferior cable, it would be a combination of frequency response and distortion. The more accurate the playback equipment and roo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-12 Thread mvalera
I think he meant that he could explain it, but the simple fact that you heard what he said changed it's meaning. Not to mention that we couldn't possibly know how to test for everything that might effect the sound as it traveled from his mouth to your ears. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Onl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-12 Thread Phil Leigh
I suppose he meant that he could probably explain it and that you probably wouldn't understand it... ;o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some ve

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-12 Thread JimC
opaqueice;234637 Wrote: > Haha, that's funny... I thought exactly the same thing when I read that > post! I had a little of that sinking feeling I get at cocktail parties > when someone finds out I'm a physicist and brings up QM - that > how-can-I-explain-politely-that-you-have-absolutely-no-id

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money

2007-10-12 Thread Phil Leigh
Here's a test: start with a CD track - so we know exactly what the bits are. put through a good DAC and analogue interconnects to a suitable high quality and calibrated ADC - record the bits. Compare the recorded bits with the original bits. Any change must be induced by the cable. Repeat with en