I have no experience with a ReadyNAS, but wanted to share my experience
with a NAS solution. I have a QNAP 219P with two 1GB drives. Loaded
SSOTS and then SBS on top of it. I feed high rez files to my transporter
over a wireless connection and have never had any drop-outs or hick-ups.
The
Phil Leigh;511290 Wrote:
I can't speak for Logitech, I think it was a BIG mistake sending folks
off down the black alley that is oh yeah sure you can run SBS on a
NAS.
Not if you like super snappy performance, transcoding, SOX resampling
and a bunch of other stuff it isn't!
The song
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=510754postcount=1
hmmm... a pattern is emerging...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W -
MF
richardw;513447 Wrote:
true. 1's and 0's are funny things. digital cables are a method to move
them and can sound dramatically different moving identical bit perfect
information. shouldn't but do. when my laptop reached the max and i
began this process (looking for storage etc) it started to
Richard - it might be worth comparing your 2 versions of the
server.prefs file to see if there is anything in there that is different
(but not visible in the WEB UI)
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch
ok...some of you will think i am nuts but the readynas duo sounds
different that the blackarmor nas110. what the heck? which is right? is
this because one has an embedded player? is it because the netgear has a
small processor and is struggling with the player vs my laptop? not sure
which one to
richardw;513314 Wrote:
ok...some of you will think i am nuts but the readynas duo sounds
different that the blackarmor nas110. what the heck? which is right? is
this because one has an embedded player? is it because the netgear has a
small processor and is struggling with the player vs my
i expected that phil! i am very certain of this. my system is very
resolving and i can hear when things sound different. this is why i am
confused. the settings seem to be the same but maybe the players are
different, dunno. i am crazy too.
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richardw;513329 Wrote:
i expected that phil! i am very certain of this. my system is very
resolving and i can hear when things sound different. this is why i am
confused. the settings seem to be the same but maybe the players are
different, dunno. i am crazy too.
Are you listening to your
yup
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richardw;513336 Wrote:
yup
And how does the TP sound different?
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W -
MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) -
hard to articulate...one very apparent difference is there is much
more/deeper bass with the netgear player but it is also muddier. images
in the midrange are not quite as refined either but it is more that the
whole presentation is more forward. it is hard to tell which is right.
i think the
richardw;513338 Wrote:
hard to articulate...one very apparent difference is there is much
more/deeper bass with the netgear player but it is also muddier. images
in the midrange are not quite as refined either but it is more that the
whole presentation is more forward. it is hard to tell
richardw;513343 Wrote:
flac. i checked all the settings...all the same except of course the
formats that are turned off in the nas but that is not an issue.
Sorry to be a pain - what version of SBS are you running?
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a
flac. i checked all the settings...all the same except of course the
formats that are turned off in the nas but that is not an issue.
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pain? i am grateful for the interest and support.
7.5 i believe. same in both.
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Version: 7.5.0 - r29961 nas
Version: 7.5.0 - r29966 my pc
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richardw;513347 Wrote:
pain? i am grateful for the interest and support.
7.5 i believe. same in both.
OK. This is strange. You are testing with a 16/44.1 file?
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch
richardw;513351 Wrote:
yes
Hmmm...
Unless anyone else can chip in, what I'd do next is to enable logging
at the debug level for player.source and capture the server.log entries
from both servers (time consuming I know) and see if anything leaps
out!
I'm baffled by the volume change if
not sure how to do that stuff phil. i thought maybe it had to do with
one being wired to the router vs the other having 2 wireless streams but
that was a total guess to figure out the db difference. my wireless is
super strong so no weakness there.
off topic a bit...which setup would you
richardw;513357 Wrote:
not sure how to do that stuff phil. i thought maybe it had to do with
one being wired to the router vs the other having 2 wireless streams but
that was a total guess to figure out the db difference. my wireless is
super strong so no weakness there.
off topic a
i meant storage and distribution of the files. i guess you answered by
saying wired vs wireless which is the difference between the blackarmor
nas and the netgear as well as the netgear running sbs vs sbs in my pc
for the seagate. i think i am getting from yoou that it really does not
matter
richardw;513364 Wrote:
i cannot run that stuff now as i need to be doing some other stuff. i
have been messing with this all day, my wife is gonna kill me...again.
I know how that feels!
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd
richardw;513343 Wrote:
flac. i checked all the settings...all the same except of course the
formats that are turned off in the nas but that is not an issue.
Please don't take this as an insult, but are you sure it was _all_ the
settings? Especially check the bitrate limiting, replay gain
On the volume being different with flac I actually had this happen once.
The flac file contained replay gain tags and the wave did not. At that
time the default setting was replay gain on, so playing flac was softer
than playing wav. This went away when I turned replay gain off.
Ever since then
thanks for throwing out the experience john. i have double checked all
the settings and replay gain is not on for either player.
i am guessing that no one thinks it is possible for the nas embedded
player to just sound different than the pc player? or that processor's
can impact sound of the
richardw;513421 Wrote:
i am guessing that no one thinks it is possible for the nas embedded
player to just sound different than the pc player? or that processor's
can impact sound of the player? i am not saying this is the case rather
throwing them out as possibilities.
The thing is they
true. 1's and 0's are funny things. digital cables are a method to move
them and can sound dramatically different moving identical bit perfect
information. shouldn't but do. when my laptop reached the max and i
began this process (looking for storage etc) it started to sound
different. i moved
richardw;513447 Wrote:
true. 1's and 0's are funny things. digital cables are a method to move
them and can sound dramatically different moving identical bit perfect
information. shouldn't but do.
That may be true for SPDIF or the like, but not when transmission of
the 0s and 1s is by an
Richard,
off-topic (sorry): how would you compare sound of Transporter vs. BADA?
How does it compare on CD? on 24bit music?
How did you connect it, via S/PDIF or AES/EBU?
I am looking at this DAC for some time..
Do you know its real resolution (Transporter's resolution is ~20bit)?
thanks,
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I have thought about the NAS as well. My conclusion was that it didnt
really make any sense. Stick with the PC.
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Transporter
Winsome labs mouse (modified)
Maggie MMG's (modified)
JPS Labs power cords
Audioquest Granite speaker wire
Silver Bullet interconnect
HSU research sub
i am back to eat crow. all these issues with the readynas duo have been
using the webcontrol via my laptop. switching to the duet controller it
is working as it should. smooth, fast enough and seems to be fine. the
only issue i can see is artwork looks faded. so...sorry netgear for bad
mouthing
Yes and no. I don't know what the specs of the ReadyNAS Duo are, but
they are probably not as good as the VortexBox appliance, which has a
1.6GHz Atom CPU and 1GB of RAM. About a year ago I switched from a
LinkStation NAS to an MSI Wind desktop that is essentially the same
hardware as the VB
thanks so much for all the reply s! great forum.
i have been inspired by some of your comments and am going to mess with
a couple of old pc's i have. one will run vista, the other i may install
vortexbox on. a few questions:
is it possible to run an old pc with vista headless (via ethernet to
richardw;511518 Wrote:
thanks so much for all the reply s! great forum.
i have been inspired by some of your comments and am going to mess with
a couple of old pc's i have. one will run vista, the other i may install
vortexbox on. a few questions:
is it possible to run an old pc with
I also highly recommend the vortexbox.
Just a little clarification, there are two different things commonly
referred to as vortexbox, one is free software that can be installed
on just about any PC, the other is the vortexbox appliance. This is a
computer with the vortexbox software AND SBS
JohnSwenson;511737 Wrote:
Just a little clarification, there are two different things commonly
referred to as vortexbox, one is free software that can be installed
on just about any PC, the other is the vortexbox appliance. This is a
computer with the vortexbox software AND SBS preinstalled.
thanks so much guys, great input. here is my update:
i installed the current version of sbs on the readynas duo and the
performance is still very poor. it improved but still roughly 20 seconds
to respond to commands (artists, new music, albums etc.). i also learned
that it will not play wma
richardw;511767 Wrote:
the last thing i have to try is getting another old machine running with
windows and using it headless for only running sbs, controlled with my
laptop, duet controller or droid. i am unclear on how to do it but can
figure it out. i am also unclear if a big hd can be
richardw;511767 Wrote:
thanks so much guys, great input. here is my update:
i installed the current version of sbs on the readynas duo and the
performance is still very poor. it improved but still roughly 20 seconds
to respond to commands (artists, new music, albums etc.). i also learned
I am in the process of trying to take the next step in evolution for my
computer audiophile world. I have been running SBS on my laptop and
storing music on the latop too, and streaming to a Transporter digital
out to a Berkeley Alpha DAC. I have out grown this method so I am
playing around with
The only possible sonic difference would be if the server fails to
deliver the bits to the Transporter in a timely fashion, i.e., if you
get audio dropouts or stuttering or the like. There are no subtle
differences: a NAS won't give you a better soundstage, a laptop won't be
more transparent, and
looked at the vortex box but the readynas is the one that logitech
supports so i went with it. i rip on my laptop with dbpoweramp so no
need for that function. i also felt the readynas had more features than
the vortexbox. that being said, it looks like a very fine product and i
saw zero negative
A NAS is OK for what it was originally designed for, namely Network
Attached STORAGE. It simply won't perform as well as a proper computer
when running SBS.
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch Beta (wired)
phil i think i am finding that out. i got the readynas duo sort of
working and it is super slow responding to commands from sbs vs the
blackarmor where sbs ran on my laptop.. it also doubled amny of the
songs in transfer. i wonder why logitech endorses this and only this nas
when it seems to run
richardw;511278 Wrote:
phil i think i am finding that out. i got the readynas duo sort of
working and it is super slow responding to commands from sbs vs the
blackarmor where sbs ran on my laptop.. it also doubled amny of the
songs in transfer. i wonder why logitech endorses this and only
thanks for the input phil. i think a nas works best for me because i
can't drag the hd around with my laptop. that seagate blackarmor was
only $165 at bb and $99 for a 1tb iomega usb hd for backup. i think i
may send the readynas duo back and go this route. i may have to exchange
the blackarmor i
richardw;511294 Wrote:
thanks for the input phil. i think a nas works best for me because i
can't drag the hd around with my laptop. that seagate blackarmor was
only $165 at bb and $99 for a 1tb iomega usb hd for backup. i think i
may send the readynas duo back and go this route. i may have
If you are willing to give up on the NAS idea, then there are a lot of
inexpensive, small form fact PC solutions available. The least expensive
route is to re-purpose and old desktop or laptop. Or there are
super-small devices like the Sheevaplug. And the Vortexbox Appliances
(both the original
not an easy task right now phil, this has really been trying! hopefully
i will get it figured out soon and back to enjoying the music...
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Hi,
I'd like to add my two penn'oth. I originally liked the concept of
using a NAS for SBS, as it's essentially a file serving function, and
I thought it made architectural (IT, not Building) sense.
My NAS isn't powerful enough to run SBS without issues, so I
re-purposed an old PC with
i guess i am a little confused. isn't a vortexbox appliance the same
thing as a nas like the readynas duo? i understand it is a bit more
streamlined but still a linux based nas that runs sbs just as the duo
does.
i do not know how to reconfigure an old pc but i could do it if i had a
recipe. i
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