[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Yes, but will a $200 new amp last as long as a well built used one for $500? My mccormack is a pretty solidly made beast. That's part of the value for me. And I'm _not_ advocating some super expensive amp :) -- totoro squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 -

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For sure that would make my wife happy! And, I guess, me too. When I compared the Rotel Rb-1090 to a Classe ca-5200, I think the Classe sounded a bit better, driving a B&W 803. Very delicate, refined. I ended up getting the Rotel because it was much cheaper :-) But maybe someday I'd like to upgrad

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Robin Bowes;170612 Wrote: > > While I don't entirely disagree with you (I use Rotel RB-850 power > amps, > bought s/h from eBay for peanuts), I don't think an article and a > mailing list thread taken from the Internet constitutes particularly > reliable evidence. > > My own feeling is that the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Robin Bowes;170612 Wrote: > opaqueice wrote: > > Pat Farrell;170266 Wrote: > >> And you call yourself an audiophile? > >> Such * *heresy. > >> > > > > It's kind of fun, being a heretic... here are two (of an infinite > > number available) pieces of actual

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

giga;170385 Wrote: > What about using a preamp or an external DAC, would that solve the > funky-bit problem ? Also, the only attenuators I found (eBay) are fixed > attenuation: > > http://electronics.search.ebay.com/attenuator_Home-Audio_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQsacatZ14969 > > is there someth

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

opaqueice wrote: > Pat Farrell;170266 Wrote: >> And you call yourself an audiophile? >> Such * *heresy. >> > > It's kind of fun, being a heretic... here are two (of an infinite > number available) pieces of actual evidence (!!) to support my > heresy: > > h

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

totoro;170298 Wrote: > If you haven't looked at that sixmoons link I posted, you might get a > laugh or two out of it. Further fun at http://marigoaudio.com/vtstuningdots.htm and particularly http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html I've read that last link about 3 times and it still so

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

JJZolx;170375 Wrote: > The Squeezebox has a nasty habit of loosing its mind every now and again > and putting out a shrill bit of random noise at maximum volume. When > that happens, you chance blowing something in the playback chain - > mostly likely a speaker driver - if you've connected the S

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

giga;170374 Wrote: > So what's your opinion... can I really go from SB3 to Power Amp w/o a > preamp, just by using attenuator? Somebody in the forum advised me to > do so and use volume control on SB3. Did you guys try it? Is it good & > safe to do so? Moreover, what's an attenuator? (I am consid

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

So what's your opinion... can I really go from SB3 to Power Amp w/o a preamp, just by using attenuator? Somebody in the forum advised me to do so and use volume control on SB3. Did you guys try it? Is it good & safe to do so? Moreover, what's an attenuator? (I am considering starting a new thread

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

I use a Musical Fidelity A300 with my 2cei signatures. You made an excellent speaker choice. I purchased my amp new for $1300 a few years ago. This is an integrated dual mono box with that plays well at all volumes with these speakers. Any more power and my ears would blow up, in my 18x14x12 liste

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

giga;170333 Wrote: > Guys, > > thanks for all the good leads. I think I'm narrowing down my search to > B&K, Rotel or MCCormack. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280068856902&rd=1&rd=1 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ROTEL-POWER-AMPLIFIER

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Guys, thanks for all the good leads. I think I'm narrowing down my search to B&K, Rotel or MCCormack. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280068856902&rd=1&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ROTEL-POWER-AMPLIFIER-RB-991_W0QQitemZ110077910404QQihZ

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

The DVD is coated with that special lacquer , which makes the footfalls seem likefootfalls.that's why it's so expensive. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

No one wants to buy my video? :-( -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31556 __

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Actually, Monsieur Ice...I agree with you. The only reason I use the amps I use is that they can take the x-over modules for my speakers. I'm not sure I could tell the difference between them and any really high-end (ie costly - usually) amp. Your basic premise that provided they aren't struggling

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

totoro;170298 Wrote: > > If you haven't looked at that sixmoons link I posted, you might get a > laugh or two out of it. Been there, done that - I'm getting jaded. Anyway, it's probably for the best - less excitement means less procrastination means more work gets done. -- opaqueice ---

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

opaqueice;170294 Wrote: > Maybe it's time to move forums - it's getting dull around here :-). > What happened to all our pet subjectivists? I think maybe lafayette caused enough excitement for everyone this weekend. Plus, for all the americans, it's a pretty big football weekend. If you haven'

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

totoro;170289 Wrote: > > I'm pretty sure I know where that link goes: the infamous knob of > death. If we were having this same conversation on audiocircle, we > would have already been surrounded by a group of angry subjectivists > :). Maybe it's time to move forums - it's getting dull around

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Skunk;170284 Wrote: > There is a whole other camp who believe beech wood, tuned with C37 > laquer, is superior: > http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2 > > If you follow the link back to volume controls fr

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

totoro;170274 Wrote: > It's not just any old block of wood: it has to be myrtle, and the tree > must have been cut down by a virgin on the night of a full moon. > > There is a whole other camp who believe beech wood, tuned with C37 laquer, is superior: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merch

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Pat Farrell;170266 Wrote: > opaqueice wrote: > > Pat Farrell;170248 Wrote: > > > >> Normally Behringer is not talked about as audiophile level gear. > > I'm aware of that. After doing some quite careful (but not terribly > > extensive) listening tests, I no longer believe there are any > aud

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

giga;169348 Wrote: > Can anybody suggest a good amplifier to go with the Vandersteen 2Ce? I > have the speakers and will get the SB3 as a source. Later I may (or > maynot) get a DAC, or the DAC could be included in the AMP. Don't care > as long as it is simple, sounds good, drives well my Vandies

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Pat Farrell;170266 Wrote: > > And you call yourself an audiophile? > Such * *heresy. > It's kind of fun, being a heretic... here are two (of an infinite number available) pieces of actual evidence (!!) to support my heresy: http://www.matrixhifi.com/cont

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

One advantage of anti-cables is semi-rigidity. I find they sound best when they are bouncing up and down in time to the music. Since I have a pier and beam foundation I accomplish this by jumping up and down to make the floor vibrate in tempo . The resulting sound is OMG OMG !! incredible

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opaqueice wrote: Pat Farrell;170248 Wrote: Normally Behringer is not talked about as audiophile level gear. I'm aware of that. After doing some quite careful (but not terribly extensive) listening tests, I no longer believe there are any audible differences between amplifiers, so long as th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Pat Farrell;170248 Wrote: > > Normally Behringer is not talked about as audiophile level gear. It is > inexpensive > and aimed at the home studio or beginning rock musician market. > I'm aware of that. After doing some quite careful (but not terribly extensive) listening tests, I no longer b

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

crooner;170244 Wrote: > Although bi-amping would give you plenty of extra juice, according to > Vandersteen bi-wiring gives you similar sonic benefits at a lower cost. > In case you still want to bi-amp, I believe he recommends vertical > bi-amping, that is, one amp for each speaker. Both amps be

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

crooner;170244 Wrote: > Although bi-amping would give you plenty of extra juice, according to > Vandersteen bi-wiring gives you similar sonic benefits at a lower cost. > In case you still want to bi-amp, I believe he recommends vertical > bi-amping, that is, one amp for each speaker. Both amps be

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opaqueice wrote: You can buy two Behringer A500 amps, Normally Behringer is not talked about as audiophile level gear. It is inexpensive and aimed at the home studio or beginning rock musician market. But they are always priced aggressively. You may like them -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Although bi-amping would give you plenty of extra juice, according to Vandersteen bi-wiring gives you similar sonic benefits at a lower cost. In case you still want to bi-amp, I believe he recommends vertical biamping, that is, one amp for each speaker. Both amps being the same model. opaqueice;1

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

You can buy two Behringer A500 amps, reviewed here: http://theaudiocritic.com/blog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=20&blogId=1 for $200/each new, and bi-amp the Vandersteens. For $800 you could buy four, bridge them, and have one amp per post - with something like 300W of power each. --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

There's a nice Audio Research VT-60 for $895 Audigon right now.. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1173977566 Looks like a pretty good deal. Similar to the Classic 60, but of newer vintage... -- crooner SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply Lite Audio DAC-60 Tube DAC VPI Scout wi

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

totoro;169581 Wrote: > > You don't really need an integrated. You can use the volume control of > the sb3 with a pair of attenuators as "insurance". > Can you suggest a good attenuator? Also, I am bidding on a B&K ST-140, people seem to like it and some have successfully used it with the Vandi

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Yeah, THD was the key spec back in the 1970s and 80s. Manufacturers were in a race to have the best numbers so to speak. Turns out Ottala demostrated that excessive feedback was detrimental to sound quality (smearing transient response). A new parameter called "TIM" or Transient Intermodulation Di

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

crooner;169976 Wrote: > The Dussun is probably a low feedback design. Those ultra low THD > figures are usually the result of tons and tons of negative feedback. > > Did you get a McIntosh amp? What model? Thanks for more than a curt 'specs don't tell the whole story' response, I'll keep that

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

The Dussun is probably a low feedback design. Those ultra low THD figures are usually the result of tons and tons of negative feedback. Did you get a McIntosh amp? What model? Skunk;169516 Wrote: > www.audioclassics.com (affiliated only as satisfied cust) sells used > Mcintosh amps that 'meet

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

My audio physic tempo 4s have pretty similar specs, except they're lower impedance, so perhaps a little harder to drive. My McCormack dna .5 drives them with ease. You can pick one of these up on audiogon for ~500. There are lots of good amps you can get used in that range. You also see the od

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

www.audioclassics.com (affiliated only as satisfied cust) sells used Mcintosh amps that 'meet or exceed rated specs'. Speaking of specs, the newer amps (non tube anyway) list .005% THD throughout the 20-20k spectrum at full rated power. To me that seems an order of magnitude better than what's lis

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

50 watts are not going to cut it. Unless you have a fairly small room and/or listen to classical/jazz at late night listening levels. You might also get away with less power by using a powered sub like the Vandersteen 2W series... giga;169508 Wrote: > Crooner & Phil, thanks for the Infos. > To c

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

Crooner & Phil, thanks for the Infos. To clarify I would prefer an Integrated. I assume this is the simplest way to connect the SB. I was looking at a Naim i5 on eBay, which got good review. However it's true it's rated at 50w only... not enough? -- giga

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

I was checking out the Dussun (correct spelling) here : http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=33713§ion=equipment Looks like a mighty impressive piece of equipment at the price. Given the excellent results I've been having with my chinese made Lite Audio DAC60, this integra

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

I'd take a look at the Dussan DS99 solid state integrated amp. At $500, it's hard to beat... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=83

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

The 2Ce's love power. It's gonna be hard to find something decent for them under 1K. Try to get a McCormack DNA series, perhaps an older model, with at least 100 watts per channel. The Belles 150A seems to be another good option around your price range. Anything cheaper than this will be a sonic