ModMike Wrote:
I'm curious to know how this stacks against Patrick Dixon's SB2+, which
at least at a high level, seems similar in concept. As I know of it,
the SB2+ essentially replaces the major modules in the SB2 (power, DAC,
SPDIF), with some improved separate modules (the Jung/ALW super
highdudgeon Wrote:
Ah, the tape loop thing isn't the end of the world. You can simply run
from the Transporter to your EQ of choice and then run the outputs of
the EQ to your amp(s). Voila.
It can make a difference when calculating the value of the product, and
hence make or break a
regalma1 Wrote:
The Transporter looks promising.
Now the software needs to be improved - a lot. At the risk of being the
kid who shouts out that the emporer has no clothes I find Slim Server to
be a very slow, clunky program. I can't believe how long it takes to
list all my albums or
highdudgeon Wrote:
Ah, the tape loop thing isn't the end of the world. You can simply run
from the Transporter to your EQ of choice and then run the outputs of
the EQ to your amp(s). Voila.
Try it, and report to us your findings. If may discover that quality of
built-in DAC is not even
highdudgeon wrote:
Lastly, I think it's too expensive: we're paying heavily for
cosmetics and specs.
What the hell do you expect to pay for? Marketing?
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benthos Wrote:
Well, I've been browsing the posts here, gauging people's reactions to
the new fangled device. I like the design, and I for one really like
the buttons, and the clever knob (!). However, I can't afford it (yet),
and I don't think I would purchase it unless I had a stereo
Someone has already mentioned - would it be possible to do a kind of
AES/EBU tape loop - take AES/EBU to digital equalizer, such as Tact
or DEQ2496, and then get it back to Transporter's DAC? On the way back
you have the original clock...
Is it feasible?
Does it require hardware changes?
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Stereophile has taken so long to review the SB3, that a new audiophile
version (the transporter) is now out. I told them back in March or so.
This industry moves incredibly fast!
ezkcdude Wrote:
There's a nice preview report of the (The?) Transporter on the
Stereophile site.
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On Jul 29, 2006, at 3:21 AM, TiredLegs wrote:
dean Wrote:
On Jul 26, 2006, at 8:49 AM, TiredLegs wrote:
Does the knob also act as a volume control?
Yes. Press the VOLUME button on the front panel and turn the knob to
adjust volume. After a couple of seconds of inactivity (or pressing
the
ceejay Wrote:
Remember also that there isn't, AFAIK, a direct competitor or even
anything particularly close to help establish a value.
As someone pointed out to me - there is, the Olive Opus. It too is a
audiophile player that does music only and it costs upwards of $2500 I
seem to remember,
JJZolx Wrote:
I have to admit, I'm becoming more and more cynical every day toward the
entire high end audio industry. I have a lot of respect for the
companies that don't equate high prices with the term audiophile. I
hate to say it, but I'm afraid that I'm in the camp that feels that
JJZolx Wrote:
IMO, it's very much the opposite. I have seen product prices come down,
but not by much. How do you explain to last year's customer who paid
$2000 for a product, that this year the price is $1200?
Over the last 25 years, this has happened with everything from
computers to
ceejay Wrote:
Remember its a heck of a lot easier to bring a product price down if you
find you've overshot than it is to put it up if you find you've
undercooked it.
As a former marketing manager in a company that sold a variety of
consumer electronics products, I can confirm that ceejay is
PhilNYC Wrote:
The primary reason I *didn't* get an Olive Opus was because I didn't
want the internal hard drive. I already have a huge music collection
on my network, and the last thing I needed was to have another hard
drive...
It was the cost comparison I was trying to underline since
TiredLegs Wrote:
As a former marketing manager in a company that sold a variety of
consumer electronics products, I can confirm that ceejay is correct. In
fact, the business plan for many such products includes price reductions
over time, anticipating that as volumes rise, production costs
JJZolx Wrote:
Yes, that may very well be the case in commodity consumer electronics.
Not high end audio. It's a market with its own rules and very diffrent
market forces. We're not talking about $300 Sony recievers and $100
Hyundai DVD players, we're talking about $5000 DACs and $15,000
CardinalFang Wrote:
It was the cost comparison I was trying to underline since someone said
he hadn't seen a comparable product. The Opus can actually access
networked music via iTunes, but yes you are buying a redundant disk if
you already have a library. For most new starters with
CardinalFang Wrote:
will announcing a new product before shipping damage existing sales of
the SB3?
Usually, that effect kicks in when the new product is a replacement for
the existing product. Since the SB3 and Transporter are so different, I
would not expect a problem. In fact, I wouldn't be
JJZolx Wrote:
Yes, that may very well be the case in commodity consumer electronics.
Not high end audio. It's a market with its own rules and very diffrent
market forces. We're not talking about $300 Sony recievers and $100
Hyundai DVD players, we're talking about $5000 DACs and $15,000
JJZolx Wrote:
We're not talking about $300 Sony recievers and $100 Hyundai DVD
players, we're talking about $5000 DACs and $15,000 two-way monitors.
We're not talking about $5000 DACs and $15,000 monitors. We are talking
about a $1999 network audio player, which I would be willing to wager
especially when there are other players for half the price
http://www.richersounds.co.uk/showproduct.php?cda=showproductpid=CAMB-640H-SIL
guess it all boils down to how it sounds particularly for the
audiophile market and as mentioned by others much depends on what
those punters are
PhilNYC Wrote:
A couple of counter-points:
- A newbie to networked music systems is probably more attracked to the
SB than either the Transporter or Opus. Then they build up their
library of music, and when they are ready for higher performance, they
don't want to spend the money on a unit
CardinalFang Wrote:
We're talking about audiophiles here who shell out thousands on gear -
in my mind it's far likely that they'll go straight for something that
looks familiar and doesn't take them into uncharted territory - PCs.
But you may well be right.
I am a card-carrying audiophile
PhilNYC Wrote:
Those same people are not likely going to be satisfied with a 750GB
internal hard drive on an Olive Opus, either...and as such, will likely
not like the idea that they will be buying a redundant internal hard
drive on an Opus.
I see you chose to not quote my reply where I
CardinalFang Wrote:
I think all the usual suspects, Naim, Linn, Meridian etc. will be in
this space soon and it'll be intruiging to see how Slim stacks up
against the establishment in trade reviews and recommendations.
...and in price. Given the markups needed to support the high end
TiredLegs Wrote:
...and in price. Given the markups needed to support the high end
dealerships selling those brands (with protected territories and a ban
on sales over the Internet), I suspect that for products comparable to
Transporter, their pricing will be considerably higher.
CardinalFang Wrote:
Edit, wow that is a interesting device! Error correction doesn't correct
errors on CDs apparently. It makes the missing data up.
Of course, there's no reason why this can't be done at the ripping
stage, so every streaming digital audio device can boat the same 'RUR'
Fifer Wrote:
Of course, there's no reason why this can't be done at the ripping
stage, so every streaming digital audio device can boat the same 'RUR'
capability as this machine. Doesn't EAC do something like this?
EAC does indeed perform repeated attempts to read bad sectors of CDs,
and
Fifer Wrote:
Of course, there's no reason why this can't be done at the ripping
stage, so every streaming digital audio device can boat the same 'RUR'
capability as this machine. Doesn't EAC do something like this?
EDIT: I forgot the smiley in my original post, I was being
sarcastic...
In my entire collection, I've only ever had a handful of discs that
contained errors that EAC could not properly rip. Of course admittedly
I'm Mr. Super-Perfectionist, so you will be hard pressed to find even a
fingerprint on any of my CDs. EAC would scan and scan and then report
the bad rip.
JJZolx Wrote:
Well, maybe a thousand dollar mod will be easier to swallow on a $2000
machine. Of course, add some zeroes to the snake oil salesmanship
(Sounds better than my $5000 xx CD player, for not much more than
$3000 invested).
The first idiot that let's one of those hacks
P Floding Wrote:
Transporter's DAC and output amplifiers are powered by Super
Regulators, based on the legendary design by Walt Jung. These
regulators offer lower output impedance, faster response, and better
noise rejection than standard three-terminal regulators. The result is
an
radish Wrote:
Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than try to start
an argument?
Actually, I was more interested in who would reply, if anyone. I think
I'm entitled to state a point, given how many times I've been bashed
over the head by some posters.
Perhaps now, with a
For me, I's say the sweet spot for me would be the price of the
Benchmark DAC1 plus an SB3: $995 + $299 = $1,300.
highdudgeon Wrote:
I must say, though -- I think they overshot with the price point.
$1,200, maybe $1,500, yes. Two grand is a conceptual leap...and one
wonders just how
Sounds about right. Really, it looks like a great product, but I think
they've overshot it somewhat. For two thousand, I will pass.
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TiredLegs Wrote:
Does the knob also act as a volume control?
Presumably the knob can be programmed to do anything (including operate
the volume up/down)?
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Pale Blue Ego Wrote:
I'm sure it will be trivial to set the default knob function as volume
if that's how you prefer using it.
Maybe I'll write a plugin that makes the knob fly quickly past any
Britney Spears tracks.
Good point about setting it as a default. This kind of issue is a bit
of
pfarrell Wrote:
Real audiophiles don't use remotes.
oh jeez...
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I don't know about that, really. My integrated amp came with a remote
that has two buttons on it, vol up and vol down. But the IR sensor is
so deeply inset in the ridiculously thick front panel that you might as
well be trying to point a laser in to it. So it's a big heavy
paperweight.
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pfarrell Wrote:
Real audiophiles don't use remotes.
That's right, because the IR transmission would cause electromagnetic
interference in the speaker cables that are lifted off the carpet with
Cardas myrtle wood blocks.
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TiredLegs Wrote:
If customers plan to use Transporter without a preamp, a dedicated
volume knob would be highly desirable.
Hmm. interesting thought - if the Transporter was used as a pre-amp,
presumably you could do neat things like label the other digital inputs
for the display and have
Patrick Dixon Wrote:
Just thought I'd point out that it's not quite the first audiophile
streaming device. We beat you to it Sean with the SB+ which has been
selling since December 2005!
I'm very much looking forward to hearing the comparison though - what
'high end' CDPs have you
TiredLegs Wrote:
That's right, because the IR transmission would cause electromagnetic
interference in the speaker cables that are lifted off the carpet with
Cardas myrtle wood blocks.
That, and the extra circuitry required in the unit would degrade the
sound... :-)
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Sonic
What about headphone outputs?
Can't find any information about this on the web page...
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Has anyone asked what the knob's for?
Craig
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The Transporter is big news, check out the BBC website.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5212396.stm
There's also a vote Are you happy with the audio quality of MP3
files? It's currently 60% yes, obviously not the audiophile vote.
Andy
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Just popped on to the Slim Devices website this morning to be greeted
with the new Transporter.
Looks a fairly amazing bit of kit. Imagine plugging that into a few
grand's worth of glowing bottles. ;-)
Unfortunately not quite what I'm looking for... but then it's always
best to start with the
Ali-M Wrote:
I'm probably the only one here to give the design some criticism. What
do you guys think about the design?
I did pass comment on the general forum in one of the threads.
I actually don't like it that much. Too many buttons and why two
displays? It adds to the cost and a
$1999 doesn't sound too bad, if it sounds good. Anyone know what the
new Naim Net system retails for?. I'll bet it's more than this.
Derek
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$1999 doesn't sound too bad, if it sounds good. Anyone know what the
new Naim Net system retails for?. I'll bet it's more than this.
Derek
I've no idea what the Naim Net system would cost but when i went a few
years ago for an interview and was talking about my wish (i
The Naim system is VERY pricey. Google the retail price on the net. It
sure as hell costs more than $2000.
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CardinalFang Wrote:
I did pass comment on the general forum in one of the threads.
I actually don't like it that much. Too many buttons and why two
displays? It adds to the cost and a serious audiophile would switch
them off when listening to music, they're a distraction and potential
Ali-M Wrote:
EDIT: Just checked out the Sonos. It looks very nice - kinda iPod-ish,
but nok really what I'm looking for.
Yes, the style isn't exactly what I want either, but it is discrete.
I've become obsessed with the remote, I'm trying to get Flash working
on a PSP using OpenLazslo to
aberdeencomponents Wrote:
The troll does not realize he bought in to it allready
lol
I know, I know...my audio life is just self-deluded misery. I should
sell everything -- my Harbeths, my Quads, my Bel Canto, my amp, my
Squeezebox, my DAC, etc. -- and immediately go down to Radio Shack for
rick's cafe Wrote:
The mock up looks good and interesting... think there are a lot of PSP
users out there that would like to use it as a good remote...ala sonos
style .. which I know u are a fan of anyway.. do keep us updated on
how you go... i'd happily help test out if you want
My
PS,
This is just a personal thing...but...one thing I really like about the
SB3 is how, after the appropriate delay, the song title/etc vanishes and
you just have the screensaver. Again, in a darkened room, the effect is
pleasing. In a way, I would rather NOT be looking at information
(title,
highdudgeon wrote:
just a thought. For me, there is too much happening on the front of
the box (ditto for the buttons and knob; who's going to use those
instead of the remote?).
Real audiophiles don't use remotes.
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It looks like the Head-Fiers are on board, so I see this having a bright
future. Oh, wait, head-fiers get tired of new gear after a couple of
months, so maybe I spoke too soon.
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What's with the wimpy speaker wire? Was the shop out of
audiophile-approved garden hose?
Just kidding, looks like a sweet, simple setup.
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What's with the wimpy speaker wire? Was the shop out of
audiophile-approved garden hose?
Just kidding, looks like a sweet, simple setup.
Ahh, well, I've tried everything when it comes to speaker wire and have
found that no matter how much i've spent it makes no
On Jul 25, 2006, at 1:25 AM, Craig wrote:
Has anyone asked what the knob's for?
Essentially, turning the knob is equivalent to pressing the up and
down arrows on the remote. Pushing the knob is like pressing the
right arrow, and the BACK button on the front panel is like pressing
the
dean Wrote:
It's a really cool bit of technology and I'm excited to see what
clever things our open source community comes up with for it!
It'll be interesting to see how many in that community will be forking
over $2000 for the opportunity to write software for it.
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Jim
I'm hoping for a remote with a knob (or maybe just a knob, for
developers, like an eval board)
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Oh, I'm sure all the power mod and what-not people will soon find
problems and come up with thousand dollar solutions.
Snake oil always flows...
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2006-07-24-20:06:05 highdudgeon:
Oh, I'm sure all the power mod and what-not people will soon find
problems and come up with thousand dollar solutions.
Snake oil always flows...
2006-07-24-20:29:35 JJZolx:
The first idiot that let's one of those hacks inside a $2000 component
should be
Hi Sean
This is exciting news about your new product! I am very keen on the
transporter, but would like to know the quality/character of the audio
it produces. Different DAC's have different sounds based on the design
of their audio circuts, and not only the DAC chip that is used.
What does the
I'm assuming that there will be some type of ultra high-end power cord
included to truly optimize the sound?
The Transporter is actuually only $399, the rest is for the cord! ;)
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Jetlag Wrote:
I'm assuming that there will be some type of ultra high-end power cord
included to truly optimize the sound?
Sorry, not from us!
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seanadams Wrote:
Good question - definitely not like tubes! Of course you could add a
tube preamp if that's what you want.
However, I don't think I could point to some existing DAC on the market
and say it'll sound like that. The thing is, not only is this a new
DAC chip with a much
Congratulations to the Slim Devices team for the new Transporter design.
It looks to have addressed many of the requests and suggestions that
have been aired here and elsewhere.
As for the price, though it may be out of the range of a large segment
of current SB owners, it seems reasonable as an
aberdeencomponents Wrote:
Sean, you sure did a great job with this unit. At the price piont I
would rate it as a pure bargain.
Did you use my sugestion of having upsampling rate conversion on the
digital out? If so what chip did you use?
Anthony
There is no upsampling chip, but it could
On ya Slim, I am looking forward to hearing it.
cheers
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